₦airaland Forum

agaugust:
Just because you say so? Comedian.

Yet you fail to prove the comedian wrong.

The type 209 have been tested to the depth of 500m

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=Type-209

agaugust:
It's hard to torpedo a Shaldag, it almost flies on the sea surface and it's twice faster than your torpedo.

How will shaldag know is being torpedoed?

agaugust:
Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source.

Then search for all type 209 from those of Egypt and others. They all state 500m.

agaugust:
Tested sea depth of SAN submarine is only 250 m. Fact !

It is 500m sir. 250 is just a driving depth but still you can drive at 500m, the crushing depth is 570m. Thank you.

agaugust:
Prove that SAN has it...we are waiting !

RAM come as standard to attack subs in modern day and era.

iblawi:
You guys need to learn difference between nautical miles (nmi) and kilometer (km). The radar on you valour covers 300km and not 300nmi.

Nigeria SR60 surveillance radar on P18N OPV is the same as type 360 radar and it also covers about 300km.
NNS thunder and NNS okpabama carry AN/SPS-40 air search radar. And many other vessels.

You valour carry Umkhonto IR missile of 15km and it CIWS have effective range of 4km while F7 have search radar of 40km and carry a missile of 22km. What do you expect of all your Valours? It means they will all drown in Nigeria's territory.

Your submarines are not modern and they already have a successor which is the type 214 submarines. Your submarines are type 209 fool stop calling them modern submarines. You guys dont do any research before making comment. You are only fooling yourself.


You guys should wise up. Nigeria is too big for you.

Type 209 is a modern sub no doubt about it.

agaugust:
Its proved with sources that radar will detect submarine snorkeling.

Our stealth combat catamaran boats have echo sounders for detecting underwater objects.

Your country has never seen a combat catamaran before so you don't know what it can do.

I say again it won't detect it.

lionel4power:
yet again you display spectacular stupidity and ignorance typical of all zulus.

at extreme range a torpedo is influenced by a myriad of factors that degrades its accuracy to hit a target.

motion of target
temperature of sea
aquatic wildlife
pressure of sea
salinity of sea
terrain of sea
presence of sediment s
sea texture
earths rotation
tides

and a host of other factors boat random and controlled.... before your torpedoe reaches its max range it with would have been heading to another continent.


say thank you sir for this free education.. fool

Torpedo is not an unguided weapon that can easily move away from the target. It is a controlled weapon that has to remain locked onto the target throughout its journey.

Sorry!! Your cheap education bounced.

Nigerias cost now the deadliest on mother earth even more deadly than Somalian coast.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/nigerian-coast-now-deadliest-on-earth/201201/

agaugust:
Prove it, prove how you know a classified secret system in detail.



"Speaking at the inaugural lecture of officers’ long course organised by the Nigerian Naval Ship (NNS) QUORRA, former Flag Officer Commanding Western Naval Command, Rear Admiral Francis Akpan (rtd.) , said the system would assist in monitoring, tracking and collating maritime activities to protect national interest.

He also said the Falcon Eye system would enable the force monitor the movement of vessels within the country’s territorial waters and the Gulf of Guinea and enable them also to track such vessels and ultimately arrest them."

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/navy-acquires-israeli-surveillance-system-to-tackle-oil-theft/220493/

Falcon Eye covers the whole Nigerian EEZ and extends into Gulf of Guinea. South African navy will never get such sophistication, your South African navy is 100 years behind Nigerian navy, you lack a composite ocean monitoring and passive defense system combining air, sea, and coastal land equipment.

Submarines and frigates alone do not make a modern, effective, balanced and complete navy
.

We are 100 years behind a navy that does not have subs and frigates. How pathetic is that statement.

lionel4power:
they think warfare is buy buying fancy equipment. they don't know that Nigeria leads Africa in litorial warfare... they'll learn today.

they should not go and buy IPVs like Nigeria.

Yet pirates operate as if they walk on the park in your shores. What kind of a leader are you? They operate without subs and ftigates and still they humiliate your navy.

agaugust:
Botswana.....their rangers save 500 South African exiled Rhinos that were shipped from Kruger Park

Poaching is still very high in Botswana.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/21/botswana-game-hunting-ban

agaugust:
The guy thinks coastal water is 500 m deep, he did not know why Nigerian navy has many flat bottom boats and sea surface skimming IPVs.
Southies don't know what sea warfare is in reality, all they know is to show photos of frigates and submarines, how it all works in sea battle is beyond their low calibre understanding
.

I haven't said coastal waters is 500m deep all that we were arguing about was the test depth of heroine class. By the way why would sub go to the coastal other than keeping some over 30 km away the coastal area? torpedoes can still reach to the target isn't?

agaugust:
Killing them finally !
.

I can't believe a qualified and professional military researcher would ever fall for this crab.

lionel4power:
12km at 35knots.

Why would we opt for that short distance?

agaugust:
Maximum tested depth of your sub is 250 m. May be capable of 300 m safely. You want to go try 500 m and get crushed by ocean pressure? It will squeeze all of your sailors and their submarine into flat bread sandwiches.

Nope is 500m sir as tested


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroine-class_submarine

lionel4power:
is your submarine coated with RAM? fraudster. or you want to brag about technology you don't have.

RAM is mostly a german tech where SA subs were bought.

agaugust:
Tell us how ? Fraudster.

Modern subs have snorkel which is coated with radar absorbing device.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar-absorbent_material

agaugust:
Radars we have on our stealth combat catamaran high speed gun boats and,more radars + FLIR on out high speed Shaldag armed ocean interceptors, super speed boats that run twice faster than a torpedo and almost fly in the air above the ocean as we sail skimming the surface. Their Submarine will be hunted down and sunk, the hunter will become the hunted.

You will waste your time trying to detect modern subs using radar.

How will the boat even know the torpedo is even there? Bwahahahaha…

lionel4power:
that is for deep ocean you illiterate fool.... coastal regions are more shallow.


ever heard of littoral warfare fool... go back to school.


you will die in your 500m test depth.

Who said subs go to that far?

lionel4power:
coastal artillery will pepper the submarine area with shells while alpha jets will bombard your Mandela boats. then you'll know why Nigeria has the best artillerymen in whole of Africa.



Gunfire has been used to disable submarines from the First World War onwards, a helicopter missile attack was used to disable the " Santa Fé" in the Falklands War.



Air-dropped bombs set to explode at a shallow depth, while the submarine ls submerged to escape attack.

you think because you have inferior submarine then you have any strategic advantage? delusional fool..
wake up from your dreaming.

Do you mean your only three operational F7 Jets which cannot even fire a single missiles.

Wake up, it is bright shiny day in Nigeria.

lionel4power:
max depth 300m anything lower it will be crushed and implode.


did you finish high school at all...

The heroine class can dive over 500 m underwater, fool. So can any shell explosion effects reach to that level? No

lionel4power:
unfortunately you don't know anything about sub-surface warfare.
the rapid differential pressure caused by an artillery mortars or shell bursting under water plus the subsequent fall in the pressure wall of a receding explosion will be catastrophic to any submarine in the area. At any depth.

submarines are like scorpions, very deadly but easy to kill.

Bwahahahaha… do you even know how deep a submarine can go underneath the sea water surface?

iblawi:
I want to believe you don't know what you are saying.

you will launch 12km torpedoes from what distance.

Where will your valour be?

Even if you keep you valour in Gabon we will strike them dead.

You will strike them dead with what exactly?

iblawi:
Guy we haven't talk about the radar on our vessels and other aircrafts.

Your radar will be disfunctional against the sub.

Patchesagain:
Prove YOUR radar can detect it

Also - have you bothered to work out the size of the area our subs will be hunting you? Its 298550km2

This man is crazy, radar will not detect snorkeling sub.

agaugust:
Ok, and at what range can your submarine radar detect a high flying aircraft?

A sub on a passive mode will receive rather than deflect the waves. That's how it will detect the radar.

agaugust:
Since you chose to quote wikipedia, I will reply with wikipedia.

"Submarine surfacing to obtain navigational fixes is precluded by pervasive anti-submarine warfare detection systems such as radar and satellite surveillance. Antenna masts and antenna-equipped periscopes can be raised to obtain navigational signals but in areas of heavy surveillance, only for a few seconds or minutes; current radar technology can detect even a slender periscope while submarine shadows may be plainly visible from the air."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_navigation

SAN submarine's tiny periscope or snorkel will be detected by NAF and NN radars with ease.

Your submarine will die premature death in Nigerian waters.

PROVED AND CASE CLOSED
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You are only being one sided. It is always about you winning. Do you think that it will be that easy to detect snorkeling submarine? Tell us how will you do it and we will equally counter your claims.

agaugust:
Dive and Die, your unlucky submarine will dive back underwater and die there !

It was snorkeling for the purpose of desperately needed engine battery power recharge, buy now we have forced it to stop snorkeling and the survival battery will die, then your submarine will crash to sea bottom and die there crushed !

You submarine needs to choose how it prefers to die, by our aircraft attack or by empty battery causing a crash to the sea bed.

Hunter becomes the hunted, bushmeat dey catch the hunter, pursuer now pursued, your submarine will run away back home and report "FAILED : MISSION IMPOSSIBLE IN NIGERIAN HOSTILE WATERS."

You are only one sided, so to say one dimensional. What we expect of you is too become objective. Now tell us how are you going to detect a stealthy submarine which is on the passive mode?

agaugust:
You are actually condemning SANDF that has one of the weakest air defences in Africa with your short-legged 1 km maximum ceiling Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles Nigeria has Roland anti air missiles with about 6 km ceiling, we are far better than you.

Nigerian infantry has mobile telescopic battlefield surveillance TV cameras that give real time live videos of the battle field, it is better than SANDF mobile infantry radar that is just showing dots and lines like a maths graph paper on a screen that will not tell you if the object is blue or red.

Datalink? How many countries in the world have tactical datalink for infantry? Not even all SANDF is datalink connected, when we dig the matter to the bottom now, it will be another fake Lynx ASW story story

Did your SANDF datalink help you eliminate ordinary Rhino poaching in your daddy's ancestral homeland? No

Next time we must have a thread with the following heading as mentioned below.


[size=14]WHO HAS THE STRONGEST GAME RANGERS IN AFRICA[/size]

agaugust:
It's even more visible from aircraft...the whole submarine shape is visually clear, and the snorkel is pouring out heavy diesel engine heat attracting airborne FLIR while the sub snorkel and sub radars are reflecting clearly on airborne radar screen from many kilometers away.

Yet again you proved me right that your useless radar will not work only your thermographic cameras will seem to do the job, but with great difficulty. That means they still have to literally search for it and come closer enough to the target in order to detect it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_looking_infrared


However, here are the challenges as quoted from the source attached above.

Infrared light falls into two basic ranges: long-wave and medium-wave. Long-wave infrared (LWIR) cameras, sometimes called "far infrared", operate at 8 to 12 μm, and can see heat sources, such as hot engine parts or human body heat, a few miles away. Longer-distance viewing is made more difficult with LWIR because the infrared light is absorbed, scattered, and refracted by air and by water vapor. Quote closed