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The most respected China copies SA made weapons. What is it so interesting do they find in SA weapons.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?154657-China-attempts-to-copy-South-African-weapons-now

Israel never helped Apartheid-SA in its nuclear programme, claimed the institute of Science and international security, UN, US and the ANC.

http://isis-online.org/publications/southafrica/ir0594.html

The SA navy wants to equip itself with an Aircraft carrier, but president Zuma and the ANC are against it.

http://africadefensejournal./2012/01/19/republic-of-south-africa-what-warship-zuma-claim-holds-no-water/

Empty tin makes a lot of noise. Its unfortunate the ANC has changed from the apartheid's radical foreign policy to passive foreign policy and vowed not to challenge any country other than to stabilise peace. The ANC has decided to retire the use of weapons of mass destruction and pushed the SA military scientists not to explore any of such projects anymore. It is not to say that we do not have that capability. Now that the vicious dog has been locked inside the cage and people manage to walk across the street freely, they begin to think that the once vicious dog is all gone. During the Apartheid not even the likes of Nigeria could have such big mouth not even the mighty Egypt.

Agaugust is the master of all trade. Please people you must atleast have a little faith for professor Agaugust.

snydergp: SAN Naval Submarine and Super Lynx 300 on SAN Warship.

Now this is the true power of Sub Sahara's only Accredited and Recordized BLUE WATER NAVY.

True-!!! There is only one Blue Water Navy in the whole Sub-Saharan region and that's SAN. Not even any pirate will attempt to come any close.

all4naija: We budgeted $3.7 billion for 2012, which was ahead of SA $3.5 billion.

Go Nigeria!

SA military bugdet for 2012 was clearly above $4.5 billion. Dude do your research properly and stop posting lies, or do you in anyway do it for just the fun of typing?

Below is our military budget speech by our Minister of defence, Lindiwe Sisulu which reflect all the figures;

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=299448&sn=Detail

xhosanostraZAR: If a Saffa were to say that. She would accused of being xenophobic...double standards much

Xhosanostra from Thabong welcome.

agaugust: .

Eritean women soldiers...said to be the best battle tested female army in Africa.

if i face this type of fine girl in war zone as my enemy, should i shoot her ?


https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media/images/photographs/2007_Eritrea_Military.jpg

This guys are not really afraid of snakes, SA bushes are full of snakes and have seen many during my field training. Wearing a boot like that in SA is too risky and will expose you to the most venomous cobras and scorpions that will strike you to death.

sithwell: You exaggerate or you are using your Nigerian standards on South Africa, which is a mistake.

I am in America, too. The US is more advanced than South Africa in a lot things, but not in everything. I can tell you now that South Africa's financial systems are way more advanced than America's. In fact, we've been ranked number one in the world more than once ---->


"The Johannesburg Stock Exchange
The JSE Limited is the 17th largest exchange in the world by market capitalisation, which is at more than R6- trillion.

With about 400 listed companies and 907 securities (JSE, November 2012), South Africa's exchange is Africa's largest and is bigger than Moscow's and Singapore's.

World-class systems allow the JSE to offer leading technology, surveillance and settlement on a T+5 basis. In 2012, it was ranked as number one in the world for the third time in terms of securities regulation by the World Economic Forum.

The JSE is an essential cog in the functioning of South Africa's economy, and is the market of choice for local and international investors looking to gain exposure to the leading capital markets in the country as well as the broader African continent.

In October 2011, South Africa's JSE Top40 Index joined Brazil’s Bovespa Index, Russia’s Micex Index, the BSE India Sensitive Index, Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index, the Hang Seng China Enterprises Index to form the BRICS Exchanges Alliance. Trading began in March 2012."

Even our banking system is much better and more user-friendly in the experience of all the South Africans I interact with here.


South Africa is not Nigeria.

The truth is I've also been to America, our country has a lot of better places than the US. Does anyone ever been to Harlem here, that place is nothing compared to our Centurion, Hatfield, Sandton, etc. I don't even want to go on and on.

Henry120: In terms of defence manufacturing my country(nigeria) has a lot to learn from south africa. South africa is way ahead other african countries in defence manufacturing .

That been said, it is worthy of note that nigeria is rapidly building her defence manufacturing sector, both on the government and private sector side, including the army, the navy and the airforce.

Nigeria's state owned DICON,
PROFORCE, private defence firm rapidly, rapidly growing with their PF-1 APC their flagship product. They also manufacture, APV's, bullet proof kits, infact kits in general( helmets, webbings, knee pads, elbow pads etc etc)


Their are so many other area's of defence manufacturing where the nigerian state, is also making considerable strides. However, I cannot post them here, as they are classified info.

Well said my brother, we should all put our jealousy aside and wish Nigeria a success in all her endeavours. It is not always good for the likes of the US and UK to rule over us when it comes to military technology. I think that the time has come that Africa should learn to feed herself other than being fed by this so called imperialists who are always after nothing than our natural resources. What is so funny is that they never befriend you when you don't have what they want. This imperialist powers are now sponsoring political parties in SA to topple the ANC from the reign and what now worries me a lot is that they always have a motive. What is their plan about SA?

andrewza: Thoufg they all fited with SA sytems.
And since when was the olphant britsh. Do I need to post a pic of the centurion and olphant MK2

The vast majorty of the money spent on the valour was used on the SA sytems.

The hawk is armed with SA made wepaons. Other than the paveway3 and ISRT the gripen uses SA wepaons.

Even the type 209 uses SA sytems.


And since when are they the most importaned wepaons in the SANDF. Other than the valour and sub all thos wepaons you menstioned have littel to no role in our current defense cominments. The Mamba and caspir are the most used.

Andrew that's simple Oliphant=Afrikaans=Elephant. Since when do they speak Afrikaans in England?

all4naija: It is clear that is what we are talking about. They can keep polishing the weapons and keep them in museum while our men battles the enemy with valor and competence. It is right to say your soldiers cannot withstand Nigerians in combat.

For a reminder, CAR child rebels are still waiting! With all your shiny weapons we know what become of them in CAR.


So, we don't need to always produce when we can procure the best from the developed countries!

You are now starting to lose your head completely, you sound so pathetic. SANDF is a force and cannot be reduced to the level of insurgents.

This chapter must be closed once and for all because we all know that Nigeria and South Africa can never compete on the level of arms manufacturing industries. We all know that Nigeria is new and upcoming which regard to the aforementioned industry.

Why must war equipment look beautiful? those vehicles and weapons are meant for war and not to jol around. Ugliness of those weapons is what scares the enemy. Death is ugly!!! Most of SA manufactured armoured and war vehicles take the shape of animals and are also named after animals.

snydergp: Typical of a Egotistical Fuctard who don't do research before he talks nonsense.

Now fool let me school you.

South African owned arms company Paramount Group has won a International bid to supply security vechiles to Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.
http://paramountgroup.biz/

Denel is South Africa's and Africa's Largest Goverment owned Arms company.
http://en.m.wikipedia/wiki/Denel

Grintek is a South African owned Private small arms company.
http://www.gew.co.za/


Reutech is a South Africa's Largest Privately owned Arms and Commercial Radar manufacturing company stemming from Apartheid days in early 1970's when SA was under arms embargo and was forced to look at domestic solutions to counter sanctions.
http://fuchs.co.za/


[B]Now All4Naija before you expose more of your foolish behavior I strongly suggest you research before you show your Mor.onic self again, the same way ytou exposed your backwardness and knowledge of SA's Freedom day which you called "INDEPENDENCE DAY".[/b]

Snyder, why is it seem that ARMSCOR is missing? Lol!!

all4naija: Do you want Boko Haram to easily outrun our men as the CAR child rebels did to your men with this type of launcher?

My advise to Nigerian military is not to consider this weapon among the list of others to use in fighting the airhead insurgents.

It only tells me that your knowledge concerning arms is very limited. That damn thing is very dangerous and one saddest thing about it is that the enemy sees its death coming slowly from the long range.

sithwell: So what is this? ---> http://www.news24.com.ng

It's an "online".

Correct!! Owned Naspers group

souldust: news24 has no newspaper in Naija

There is no newspaper that specifically go by the name of news24, it is a cluster of many newspapers.

agaugust: .
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/War_Zone.jpg




you are very wrong. i have over 1,000 posts on this forum in 5 months. you read my post on page 262, you did not read my post on page 23 where i analysed my reasons for african military rankings. very similar to what you said above, even then your south african soldiers on this forum refused to agree with it 5 months ago. now that you a south african air force officer posts a similar analysis, my claims on this forum are proved right by you today. thanks.


i never said i am a colonel, i said i am a civilian. i work in a private defence company in america and its run by retired american soldiers. we provide soldiers who no linger serve in american military but fit for combat and some with battlefield experience, on a commercial basis for security operations in meduim threat war zones of iraq and other countries to guard american comapnies working there.

the company does research on various military data and global war records, but no single military man is expert in all fields, not even an american army colonel, but his knowledge is far superior to a south african colonel. i manage sections of database of military information, thats my job. i have oppourtunity to ask questions from american military men up to a colonel rank in private encounters in my office. the job does not require doctorate degree in nmilitary courses, for what ? it requires in-house company training and i have those already.

you hide your air force rank, corp/air wing, and details of your training level/courses, but you want me to tell you the name of the american company i work for, people will google search it and post its website on internet, people here know my name is Augustine, and i have said a few sensitive things about america on this forum...you want me to lose my job ?

you cannot question my competence because i ranked south african military below nigeria and others. seems you are here for national pride and patriotism, not for educating the public with facts and truth.

i also begin to doubt your war knowledge, your african ranking is bad. south africa is NOT equal to Egypt in military might. your fellow south african soldiers argued that with me from page 12 to around page 180, then i proved it to them, and they agreed. so your own colleagues proved you wrong, very wrong.

for your information, i repeat a previously posted copy of what i said on page 23 to show how and why i rank african military forces the way i did, very similar to yours, but i posted mine 5 months ago :





being an air force officer does NOT give you total competence on all army and navy weapons/operations. i know that.

if you want to stop discussing, its your choice. what you know does NOT reduce what i know. i have my military knwoledge, you have yours. simple.



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Agaugust are you really sure that you are doing research on military industry in the US? Please do not try to reduce the level of research of the US to that level. Our research in SA are not done by amateurs and not even the retired colonel reach that level unless they have furthered their studies to masters and doctorate level. The reason why SA, Britain and the US have their academy run by civilian universities is because such institutions are good on conducting research about any aspect in military industry and technology. The colonels can know a lot about military through their experience, history and education but surely do not have a licence unless they have an advantage of having studied further after their BMil degree.

Furthermore, your post above is nothing compared to mine.

agaugust: .
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/War_Zone.jpg




you are very wrong. i have over 1,000 posts on this forum in 5 months. you read my post on page 262, you did not read my post on page 23 where i analysed my reasons for african military rankings. very similar to what you said above, even then your south african soldiers on this forum refused to agree with it 5 months ago. now that you a south african air force officer posts a similar analysis, my claims on this forum are proved right by you today. thanks.


i never said i am a colonel, i said i am a civilian. i work in a private defence company in america and its run by retired american soldiers. we provide soldiers who no linger serve in american military but fit for combat and some with battlefield experience, on a commercial basis for security operations in meduim threat war zones of iraq and other countries to guard american comapnies working there.

the company does research on various military data and global war records, but no single military man is expert in all fields, not even an american army colonel, but his knowledge is far superior to a south african colonel. i manage sections of database of military information, thats my job. i have oppourtunity to ask questions from american military men up to a colonel rank in private encounters in my office. the job does not require doctorate degree in nmilitary courses, for what ? it requires in-house company training and i have those already.

you hide your air force rank, corp/air wing, and details of your training level/courses, but you want me to tell you the name of the american company i work for, people will google search it and post its website on internet, people here know my name is Augustine, and i have said a few sensitive things about america on this forum...you want me to lose my job ?

you cannot question my competence because i ranked south african military below nigeria and others. seems you are here for national pride and patriotism, not for educating the public with facts and truth.

i also begin to doubt your war knowledge, your african ranking is bad. south africa is NOT equal to Egypt in military might. your fellow south african soldiers argued that with me from page 12 to around page 180, then i proved it to them, and they agreed. so your own colleagues proved you wrong, very wrong.

for your information, i repeat a previously posted copy of what i said on page 23 to show how and why i rank african military forces the way i did, very similar to yours, but i posted mine 5 months ago :





being an air force officer does NOT give you total competence on all army and navy weapons/operations. i know that.

if you want to stop discussing, its your choice. what you know does NOT reduce what i know. i have my military knwoledge, you have yours. simple.



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Agaugust are you really sure that you are doing research on military industry in the US? Please do not try to reduce the level of research of the US to that level. Our research in SA are not done by amateurs and not even the retired colonel reach that level unless they have furthered their studies to masters and doctorate level. The reason why SA, Britain and the US have their academy run by civilian universities is because such institutions are good on conducting research about any aspect in military industry and technology. The colonels can know a lot about military through their experience, history and education but surely do not have a licence unless they have an advantage of having studied further after their BMil degree.

Furthermore, your post above is nothing compared to mine.

agaugust: .
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/War_Zone.jpg




you are very wrong. i have over 1,000 posts on this forum in 5 months. you read my post on page 262, you did not read my post on page 23 where i analysed my reasons for african military rankings. very similar to what you said above, even then your south african soldiers on this forum refused to agree with it 5 months ago. now that you a south african air force officer posts a similar analysis, my claims on this forum are proved right by you today. thanks.


i never said i am a colonel, i said i am a civilian. i work in a private defence company in america and its run by retired american soldiers. we provide soldiers who no linger serve in american military but fit for combat and some with battlefield experience, on a commercial basis for security operations in meduim threat war zones of iraq and other countries to guard american comapnies working there.

the company does research on various military data and global war records, but no single military man is expert in all fields, not even an american army colonel, but his knowledge is far superior to a south african colonel. i manage sections of database of military information, thats my job. i have oppourtunity to ask questions from american military men up to a colonel rank in private encounters in my office. the job does not require doctorate degree in nmilitary courses, for what ? it requires in-house company training and i have those already.

you hide your air force rank, corp/air wing, and details of your training level/courses, but you want me to tell you the name of the american company i work for, people will google search it and post its website on internet, people here know my name is Augustine, and i have said a few sensitive things about america on this forum...you want me to lose my job ?

you cannot question my competence because i ranked south african military below nigeria and others. seems you are here for national pride and patriotism, not for educating the public with facts and truth.

i also begin to doubt your war knowledge, your african ranking is bad. south africa is NOT equal to Egypt in military might. your fellow south african soldiers argued that with me from page 12 to around page 180, then i proved it to them, and they agreed. so your own colleagues proved you wrong, very wrong.

for your information, i repeat a previously posted copy of what i said on page 23 to show how and why i rank african military forces the way i did, very similar to yours, but i posted mine 5 months ago :





being an air force officer does NOT give you total competence on all army and navy weapons/operations. i know that.

if you want to stop discussing, its your choice. what you know does NOT reduce what i know. i have my military knwoledge, you have yours. simple.



.

Agaugust are you really sure that you are doing research on military industry in the US? Please do not try to reduce the level of research of the US to that level. Our research in SA are not done by amateurs and not even the retired colonel reach that level unless they have furthered their studies to masters and doctorate level. The reason why SA, Britain and the US have their academy run by civilian universities is because such institutions are good on conducting research about any aspect in military industry and technology. The colonels can know a lot about military through their experience, history and education but surely do not have a licence unless they have an advantage of having studied further after their BMil degree.

Furthermore, your post above is nothing compared to mine.

agaugust: .

did you study war history ? 30 year old SAM 2 missiles shot down a new generation american stealth jet fighter and F-16 jets in Bosnia.
Old soviet era Iraqi AAA guns shot down many the most modern air superiority jet fighters in the world, F-15 and F-16 jets among others.

you have just accused me of predicting outcome of war, but also just predicted outcome of combat engagement of a very successful SAM and a new generation stealth fighter when the two have not engaged yet. a fighter pilot should know that.

on the issue of my saying one country will defeat another, that is just our general language here on this forum. i have said on this forum several times that you dont know the winner of any war until the war ends, at my level of war history knowledge i know that. a lot of my analysis here is based on war records.

it is our domestic language on this forum to say if you are on top ranking above a country, you will defeat them in war, but we all know as adults, no winner until the war ends.

Agaugust, history is not what always wins the war. Sometimes in your case history might workout completely the opposites and fail to work for you. Rolland SAM is a weapon and will at some stage luckily hit the target, but the truth is it will have difficulty hitting the target everytime against the new generation fighter jet, unless the pilot is still an amateur and not well armed with necessary weapons. In SA we already have solutions for those dinosaurs. Even the embecile sometimes get so fortunate to hit the target at shooting ranges. I don't think there is any soldier in the world who would want to carry the weapon that largely rely on luck to hit the target.

all4naija: News coming directly from SA in such condition as to national pride will be doctored without any argument. We have seen that being displayed here by most South Africans done on the ground of sentiment as to being patriotic. That I find to be very funny of a country that claims to be civilized and well organized. Indeed, it is surprising to be reasoning in such direction in a country with good claim of human outlook.

Nigerian using SA link is more of a better evidence because it would be hard for SA to report about Nigeria with shady intention as they would like to prove we are not doing things on equal footings. SA is a foreign country to Nigeria and its reports will be very truthful on our matters unlike reporting about its own to prove its people are doing better with shady intention. That is a fact. The same can be said about Nigeria in return - though, I haven't seen any yet.

All4naija I wonder if you realised that commercialised newspapers of SA are owned by capitalists who would do anything to bring the SA government led by the ANC down. All media houses in SA have had many court battle with the ANC including Zuma who has attempted to sue many of their journalist who have treated him as satirical object in many occasions, but in vain. All of those media houses, eg, News24 are in the hands of white people with only 26% of black ownership and have even spread their wings to Nigeria and other African nations, buying many of their newspapers. Wonder if you have ever come across the so called News24 Nigeria. SA government will never have any opportunity whatsoever to use newspapers as a tool to spread propaganda, other than the state owned new age newspaper.

agaugust: army officers from india and pakistan are being regularly in nigerian military academies. does that mean nigeria will defeat india or pakistan in war.

nigerian new helicopter training simulators just arrived/delivered. augusta helicopters are italian but a factory was built in south africa and nigeria purhased from that factory. some training could result from that.

otherwise, if you are a real fighter pilot, you know you dont fly an aircraft you did not train to fly, or else you crash. nigerian combat aircraft are different from south african combat aircraft. i just remeinded you of how your air force chief of plans commended nigerian air force professsionalim when he came to nigeria to meet them, he had a different view when he was far away in south africa, nigeria updated his knowledge when he came, he requested joint training, NOT handing down skills to nigeria like school boys.

you may have more advanced training schools, but NOT better pilots or instructors. nigeria has used alpha jets in combat for over 20 years with regular training and recent upgrades. nigeria has flown C-130 hercules for over 20 years and we now maintain it locally. we are masters of the aircraft we have flown for 20 years, we dont need south africa for any special training. however, no military is perfect in this world, not even america.

Agaugust with those not so better pilots have trained Nigerian pilots. It is no secret that Nigeria has a challenge in aviation industry. I am sorry to have mentioned that since Nigerian security is at stake. Country whose national security is under threat do not go about admitting their challenges in public, since the enermy can use that as a leverage to launch an offensive. SA during apartheid was much in the same position and there was at no any stage they ever came out and tell the world that they were under pressure. Those are some of the information the military has to hide and withhold from the public.

SA during apartheid was the most powerful army you can ever think of, but it had serious challenges though. The country was faced with dual conflict both internally and externally (UN) and hope you will understand that those conditions are very difficult to deal with. When you are busy concentrating on one side the trouble will come shooting on the other side. SADF (former force of SA) had to engage forces of Cuba, ANC(MK), MPLA and Angola outside the borders of the republic, while the riots were also reaching the boiling points inside the country with students burning government buildings, schools, killing black police officers, etc. Thus, soldiers had to share themselves making them more vulnerable since they could only deploy less number of soldiers to Angola at a time. Under all these circumstances, SA still paraded as if there was nothing going on.

The whole SA could not import oil to help them fly their planes nor procure any arms. This conditions motivated SA to explore other means of manufacturing their own weapons and leading to the rooivalk and nuclear project because of the fear that they had many enemies. As soon as the pressure started mounting, SA finally gave up.

Countries that are usually under threat would not publicly admit their shumble conditions from a fear of being attacked by the enemy's intelligence. Hence, my brother Nigeria, since his security is at stake would never do that at this instance but can only do that at a later stage when everything is settled. One thing about SANDF is that they are not secretive about anything and even the president himself complained that everyone in SA wants to rule the country. Well, there are many policies of the ANC that I do not really agree with in respect of transformation and have badly affected the Air Force. The ANC is pushing that 76% of the fighter pilots must thrive from the black race and thus has caused many pilots to resign, since they saw their race as no longer relevant to the force. As a result they were forced to join the reserve forces after having been recruited by commercial airlines. SA has a vast number of pilots that are no longer in the force and are only available during air expo and times of war.

souldust: some SAn f0.0ls, out of their blind patriotism fueled by ignorance and lack of exposure, think Naija is just one thing the have in their minds. Why dont you just read on and let that pic you have in your head about Naija fade away very quickly if you are to remain relevant in this world

Tinapa Resort
Tinapa Resort
Location Calabar, Cross Riv
Coordinates 5°03′00″N 8°19′03″E /
Opening
date
2 April
Owner Cross Riv
Website tinapa.c
Tinapa is a business and leisure resort
just north of Calabar, south eastern
Nigeria associated with the Calabar Free
Trade Zone. It is being developed in
four phases under a Private Public
Partnership (PPP) promoted by the
Government of Cross River State. The
resort is located by the Calabar River,
contiguous with the Calabar Free Trade
Zone.[1]
Facilities
The Tinapa Free Zone & Resort has
facilities for retail and wholesale
activities as well as leisure and
entertainment. For consumers, the
resort has about 80,000 square metres
(860,000 sq ft) of lettable space for
retail and wholesale made up of four
emporiums of 10,000 square metres
(110,000 sq ft) each and smaller shops,
warehouses, and so on. An
entertainment strip contains a casino,
digital cinema, children's arcade,
restaurants, a mini amphitheater, a
night club and pubs. There is an
artificial tidal lake that feeds from the
Calabar River, a Water Park / Leisure
Land and parking Space for about 4,000
cars.[1]
Business facilities include an open
exhibition area for trade exhibitions
and other events, and a movie
production studio commonly called
"Studio Tinapa" or "Nollywood". It is set
to become the most modern film
production studio in Nigeria. There is a
243 room international three star Hotel.
The resort also has a truck terminal, and
gets power from an independent
power plant.[1]
↑Jump back a section
Project history
Tinapa was initiated by Governor
Donald Duke as a way to boost business
and tourism in the state. Over $350
million was spent on initial
development.[2] The first phase of
Tinapa Business Resort & Free Zone,
Calabar, was commissioned on the 2
April 2007.[1] Tinapa is a 10 kilometres
(6.2 mi) drive from Calabar by a
roundabout route, but the Federal
government is building a more direct
2.5 kilometres (1.6 mi) access road to
link it with the city.[3]
The legal status of the Tinapa Free
Trade zone has been uncertain. It is
owned by the Cross River state
government, but only the Federal
government can operate a free trade
zone. Governor Liyel Imoke appealed to
the Federal Government to take a stake
in the project, and to remove
uncertainty about its status which is
hindering investment. He suggested
that one approach could be to decouple
the leisure facilities from the trading
zone.[3] A February 2008 report by
ThisDay newspaper said the Federal
Government had not yet approved the
operating procedures and guidelines.
The resort was almost deserted. The
few shops that were staffed would not
sell their goods out of concern that
customs officials would then force them
to close.[4] A CNN report in 2010
showed that the complex was still
largely empty, while interest payments
on the construction cost of the complex
were rising. Liyel Imoke told the CNN
reporter that the state government was
looking for private sector investors who
could run the project more efficiently.[5]
A March 2010 report in the Daily
Champion was optimistic. The report
acknowledged that the project had
suffered from bureaucratic delays, that
there had been rumors of corruption
and project abandonment, with key
infrastructure incomplete. However, the
report said that 90% of infrastructure
and facilities were now ready, and that
shops were now selling duty-free
goods. It also claimed that the resort
was increasingly being used for
business and government functions, as
planned.[6] In September 2010 Imoke
said the government was focusing on
resuscitating the Tinapa Business and
Leisure Resort.[7] A May 2011 report
from the Daily Trust was entitled
"Tinapa is dying". It said most of the
shops had closed, and the other
facilities such as the exhibition space
and movie studio had not been used for
a long time. The hotel was open but had
hardly any guests. Only the water park
was busy, since the reporter had visited
during a school holiday.[8]

Fine, I hope that they have now read that Nigeria is becoming this mega country fitted with necessary infrastructure. They have now listened that Nigeria is no more just a jungle with poorly regulated market. So now can we go back to military topic.

souldust: bravo Ogun state

OGUN SIGNS MOU ON LIGHT RAIL
PROJECT
Ogun State Government has signed a
memorandum of understanding (MOU)
on light rail mass transit with the China
Civil Engineering Construction Company
that will link major cities in the state as
well as boost its economy.
While signing the MOU in his Oke-
Mosan Office in Abeokuta, Governor
Ibikunle Amosun noted that there can
be no development without putting the
necessary infrastructures in place. He
said “ We have been doing our best on
roads but it is high time we paid
attention to rail as well. We are starting
the mass transit within Abeokuta
metropolis. This will be extended to all
our major towns including the Ado-
Odo/Ota axis which will encompass all
the border area with Lagos”.
“Our first focus is intra city rail mass
transit, thereafter we will embark on
linking the cities together. Within the
next couple of years, you will begin to
see the results of what we are trying to
do to improve transportation of goods
and services”,he said.
Governor Amosun said it was
imperative to boost transportation in
the state since the state population is
projected to rise significantly over the
next couple of years.

Souldust, your argument is now becoming irrelevant, would you please spare that topics for some other time. My colleagues here in PTA are now becoming very fascinated by this topic. By the way, do you have any knowledge about who commenced this project?

andrewza: Seems like I am not the only one to doubt the mrs so called milltary anyalist?

Andrew do you perhaps have any knowledge about Agaugust qualifications? To conduct research on military industry requires one to have vast knowledge, experience and qualifications to the level of doctoral degree. Did he at any instance mention the name of the military academy where did he study to obtain such qualifications and under what military? Hopefully he did not get that qualification in the US. The US academy is very much reputable in military research analysis and wouldn't make such a blunder by haphazardly concluding that one country will defeat another.

agaugust: welcome on board. keep classified information secret as required by your military rules. please post honest comments, patriotism is good if not mixed with lies. i say welcome again....i have been waiting for someone like you.

Agaugust is a civilian research support staff in a private defense company in America. I have learnt things about military warfare from combatants up to Colonel rank.

Egypt, Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, South Africa....none of these 5 top african military forces is an easy walk over in combat engagement. However, Egypt will defeat South Africa without much difficulty. Nigerian and Algeria will defeat South Africa with some difficulty, Ethiopia will defeat South Africa with a lot of difficulty.

Nigeria vs Egypt in war is a tough engagement, it may ruin the two nations armed forces. if the war is brief, Egypt will win, but if the war is prolonged, Nigeria will equal Egypt in firepower and the war will be a stalemate. If the war is urban/city army infantry combat, Nigeria will defeat Egypt.

South Africa parades modern weapons but in small numbers. Its infantry is small. Its war history is just average with no record of clear victory. It has faulty strategic war planning and always under-estimate the enemy and over-estimate itself, a major mistake in war for any combatant.
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Unfortunately, from the onset, you have failed to display qualities of your highly purported reputable military knowledge. It is however very clear to me that you are not what you claim to be, simply because good military expects to the level of colonel as you have asserted, do not go about making such faulty and flawed statements about judging one country's military power using such factors as those you have mentioned above. It is evident however that the imperialist powers have corrupted your logic and left you with hardly anything of value to reason objectively. Since, I have seen that your aptitude concerning military affairs is narrowly limited, I wouldn't proceed further with this discussion because you failed to portray the basics of analysing military power of any country.

Any country's military power is judged in accordance with the following factors;

1. Firepower which is the total number of one country hardware inventory;
2. Modernisation of their weapons, eg, Roland SAM is too old to be used to stop the offensive of the. new generations fighter jets;
3. Military science and technology of one country;
4. Economic power of one country, that is, any country must have the financial muscle and means to procure arms to avoid fighting with clubs and knobkerries;
5. The military strength of one country depending on the level of literacy of their militants, eg, half a million of illiterate soldiers can easily be defeated by just only 80 000 educated soldiers. Military research have shown that educated soldiers execute commands better than soldiers with limited cognitive abilities; and
6. Credibility of military academy of one country. In the case of SA and US are run by reputable civilian universities as faculty of military sciences.

all4naija: That clearly means we might be training SA air-force men or your jet fighter pilots. Did you get it now?

I am not going to explain myself over and over. We have trained the Nigerian military pilots (NAF) in SA and moreover even your commercial pilots train in SA. We have more better flying experience and advanced flying schools than Nigeria and thus we provide them with training from time to time. If there is anyone you know in NAF ask him. In any case it doesn't matter you believe or not.

Nigeria are very good on the land, but their arsenal is not that very impressive. Unfortunately, there is sensitive info that I cannot relate to here. I wonder if there are any Airforce soldiers/officers from Nigeria here, they would remember very well. We have trained Nigerian Airforce in SA.

andrewza: he is not right in the head that is all. I thinks he has been in America to long and thinks nigeria is america

By the way, I want that source that ever made such claims that SANDF were defeated by the Djotodia's rebels. Does anyone has a source here to update me?