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Is an atheist supposed to be afraid of charms abi how?

I get a combined 25mpg on my 2007 honda accord EX-L. With current petrol prices that mpg feels too lazy to me.

I love cats but I can't put in the work required to own a pet. Here's my girlfriend's cat and my cat by proxy, Money, being a nice kitty.

Lol. Also, Buddhism and Christianity are our love children.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Buddhism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

100% Nigerian. I realised I was an atheist after someone described my worldview as secular humanism and I went to read up on the topic. Your friend is just clutching at straws.

Pidggin:
Why do you people keep posting in this section? If you agree that you have no religion why maintain a strong presence here? You should post more in the science section than here but this is not the case, why?

Seun I think you need to create a section for only Christians and an athiest section except you want more gullible Christians to be led astray.

Religion happens to be an interesting topic for some people, atheist or otherwise, while it's not worth a passing glance for others. There are theists and atheists on nairaland who don't bother with this religion section. Taking an interest in religion should not depend on whether you believe that God exists or not. In the same vein, this belief or disbelief shouldn't be the only basis for an interest in science. Keep in mind that your christian God is also interested in religion, despite not believing in the existence of any higher power. And he is sometimes addressed as the ultimate scientist, despite not being an atheist.

Atheists might also come around to comment on your opinion of them ("led astray" ) or to share their opinion of you, just as you share your opinion of them. I hope you can recognise that they are entitled to that too.

What supernatural powers?

paxonel:
lol,
I'm talking about supernaturals,
cameras and cars ain't supernaturals. they are worked by explainable principles

Are you? You said physical things cannot test miracles. I gave you examples of physical things doing just that and now you say you're not speaking of physical things.

paxonel:
unfortunately, miracles are not tested using physical or scientific apparatus. that is why it is called miracles

Hello.

Do you remember when one Mr Oyedepo or so claimed to have driven a car for hundreds of kilometres on an empty tank? Since you ordinarily can't see the contents of a car's fuel tank, the claimant had to rely on the measurement taken by the fuel gauge. During the course of the miracle, with the car crusading ahead on its empty fuel tank, the fuel gauge continued to work and to produce a measurement of "no fuel". A fuel gauge is a very physical soulless device and it was able to observe the miraculous event. I think the measurement of a fuel gauge is evidence.

Similarly, when you tune into Emmanuel TV, you are looking through the eyes of another physical device, a camera, as it witnesses the abundance of miracles taking place nearly everywhere in its immediate vicinity (the ceiling is miracle free). You will agree that what a camera sees can be correctly called evidence.

So, fortunately, miracles can be tested using physical or scientific apparatus. Raise another objection.

mrZENographer:
But the fearful and unbelieving and idolaters and adulterers and whoremongers and socerers and muderers and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things. I will be his God and he shall be my son. Revelation 21.

You make me want to curse. I guess you're on autopilot for now.

mrZENographer:
BOTH. The devil came not but to steal... He that commit sin is of the devil.1 John 3.8
No sinner shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 cor 6:9

What is the person's offence?

So who's going to hell on judgment day, the person or the evil spirit professing atheism with the person's mouth?

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no sufficient knowledge of anything . Its more assumptions and ridiculous theories . Atheists were fools then , they are still now and will still be .


Fine baby . Hopefully , you are female

Amen.

I only do girls, sorry.

Ayomivic, there were atheists long before there was sufficient scientific knowledge to comment on the possible origins of the universe. These atheists are the fools referred to in the bible and the apostates in the quran. These people lived in times when everyone and their mother were superstitious and there was no where to hide from all of the magic and they were still atheist. Being an atheist takes more than good knowledge of science, or there would even be no theist scientists and lovers and science.

You also speak as if there is any difference between the supernatural claims of the major world religions and those of the pagans you mention. Magic is magic, though in terms of compelling power, major religions like Christianity possess more of it than the others you mention. Juju might be more compelling to you, which is fine, but that is hardly the basis for claiming that anyone who rejects its alleged power is deceived. It is, after all, said to be the work of lesser forces than forces like Allah so you need to ask yourself if smaller forces can succeed at a task in which the bigger ones have failed.

blueAgent:
Nature is God's evidence of Orderliness.there is nothing right about transgender.

You will agree with me that their are natural laws that govern this Universe. like laws of gravity,Motion, Cause and effect, Rising and setting of the Sun. same way we have natural laws insistuted for our well being .same way we have moral laws that guide human conduct. the question is who established those natural laws that benefit you and me? its obvious it is God.

Research have proven , that those who transgender . that's those who undergo the Surgery still end up unhappy , and end up committing Sucide.
According to American Association of psychiatrist doctors. homosexuality and transgender are mental disorders and should be treated as one.they are habits one consciously or unconsciously forms

Let me ask you. what is the boundary or limit for you to regard something as immoral?

http://newobserveronline.com/transgender-is-a-mental-illness-and-should-be-treated-as-such-former-johns-hopkins-chief-psychiatrist/

Na simple questions I ask you o. What is all these you are writing?

It is not obvious to me that there is any God who established any natural laws. When did any of that even become an issue? We are talking ethics here, not physics.

Something that makes you unhappy or suicidal is not necessarily morally wrong. In the same vein, it is not morally wrong to have a mental illness. I'm pretending that your claims are even factual.

This can hardly be called proof.

blueAgent:
What makes you think ,that people generally see killing as immoral? the Nazi saw it as something moral .something to be done.
Tell me wat is natural about Transgender and gay. if they were natural why do they have to undergo surgery inorder to transform themselves.do animals even pratice Sodomy?
why do gays decide to adopt kids since they cannot Concieve its that natural?

If we are to allow and accept gays as been natural, we should also accept. pedophile and
Nymphons. since they are all natural desires

Is like saying ,that one has right to drink ,as well as to drive.if the society accepts that. it means that my life and yours will be in danger becos of a drunk driver.

Total freedom is bondage.

Are you responding to me? I don't think you are. I haven't said anything along the lines of what you've written.

I said I can explain why I claim that killing is wrong. I didn't say that everybody must believe that killing is wrong. In any event, most people who kill know that killing is wrong, or else they would kill themselves and their loved ones too. However all of that is irrelevant to our discussion at this stage.

I haven't said anything about what is or isn't natural. I only asked you whether naturalness has a moral value.

Once again, explain why you claim that it is wrong to be transgender or to do an abortion or etc. And then explain why anything which your God commands must be morally right.

blueAgent:
I laugh at you. I guess you appreciate orderliness. transgender is insanity,same with gayism. their is nothing natural about them.
most gays and Lesbians need pyscological help not transforming themseleves.

Perhaps you're laughing because you're simple?

It's insane and unnatural to be gay or transgender, that's your case. My questions still stand.

Let me give you an example. If I have to explain why killing is bad, I can say that it is bad because every person has a right to life and killing them violates that right. I can go further to explain why everybody has a right to life. I can even say that killing is bad because the God I worship says it is bad. These are what explanations look like.

If I say killing morally wrong because it is insane or it is unnatural, that does not help anyone understand my position. Is insanity morally wrong or right? Does naturalness have any moral value?

Try to answer my questions directly so we can proceed. Thanks.

blueAgent:
So Explain to me. the source of moral values.

No. You're claiming that every one of God's moral views is correct. Why is that? And why do you think it is wrong to be transgendered or to be gay or to abort a fetus and all of that? If you can't give the basis for your position why should I engage you?

blueAgent:
All human's have different view of what moral values should be. years back same sex marriage was frowned upon. today it is common .changing cultures and value systems have lead to moral decandence.
Eg in US. their is debate of , weather to allow Male transgenders to use the same restroom facility with females.

But God's moral values are constant they do not differ from time to time. or change with culture and they are independent of Human view.

Like i said before show me one God's moral value that you do not agree to or is Globally unacceptable.

Wrong answer.

blueAgent:
I should ask you which of those things do you want to be done to you or you are invouled in?
I guess you accept been lied to, you accept infiedelity or killing of your loved ones.

Where is the explanation you're supposed to give?

blueAgent:
I laugh at your ingnorance. so if we are to depend on human moral values. what we will get is transgender,arbortion,Legal Sucide,gayism,same sex miarriage,mass killing,Religeous killing, Nudity .becos human moral is subjective.
Since every human being has his or her own view of what is moral and what is not.

I laugh at your indoctrination. Explain why all the things you listed, except killing, are wrong.

Then explain why every of your God's moral views should be correct.

The holy trinity was the first same sex union, or thereabout. Most of these churches have their theology all wrong, which is very wrong. Let love prevail please.

Please read some physics books.

By the way, the candles which we use in our coven produce flames which cast shadows. Because we are so full of darkness.

sylvalord:
Please try to comprehend posts before replying. I never wrote that i was a budding atheist rather i said irregularities în the bible and xtianity made me begin to seek answers. Infact, i likened agnostism to a bridge and aş we both know, bridges go either way. Being on that bridge, if my findings had proven xtianity to be true, then i wouldn't have become an atheist.

The point I'm making is that you can equally make the discovery that religion is a sham and still remain agnostic. Agnosticism is not really a bridge to anywhere. It is a destination of its own. I'm raising an issue of accuracy, and I think it is more accurate to say you were sceptical rather than agnostic. I don't think the distinction is of any moment to you though. Congrats on your transition.

Stupedinluv:
You knew God didnt exist before you heard about atheism. Liar! LmaO

Of course, this is the best response you can manage.

Stupedinluv:
See this one. Which knowledge do you have about life that can impress a sane mind.

Tell me, why is there a zero possibility of finding an atheist who has never read junk?

What did the first atheist read? How come I was an atheist before I read my first material on atheism?

Where will you find a Christian who has never read or been told of Christ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability.

@OP: Someone who is agnostic is not a budding atheist, fyi. I wouldn't say you were previously agnostic, since someone who is purely agnostic can just as easily become a theist as an atheist. You have been an atheist for longer than you realize.

What you call juju can also be called a miracle. Calling it a miracle might help you realise that what goes on in churches or other places has the same weight in the mind of the christian or other person as that which juju is having on your mind. You can easily reject the juju in the churches, but not the miracle on the streets. The atheist can easily reject all. What you need to do is apply whatever reason you used to reject the juju in churches to your belief in the realness of miracles.

Quite the opposite, I'm afraid. Ever since I watched "oganigwe" and started worrying about being cursed like that.

OLAADEGBU:
You asked where I got the idea that the decalogue resonates with everyone and I say the BIBLE. Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.

Right. Now answer the other question.

See as una serious dey talk this kind thing.