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plaetton:
The universally accepted notion of god is a supernatural entity who consciously and purposefully created the universe, and who controls the destinies of his creation like a grand puppet master.
Naturally, unbelievers like myself refuse to accept this notion, because it lacks evidence.

Now, some also believe that god is an impersonal conscious mind that controls the ebb and flow of the universe.
This sounds better, but still lacks evidence.

Now, on the other hand, if you say that Energy, electromagnetic energy is god, I would not have any need to argue with you, nor ask for evidence , because in this case, you have taken something that we both know to exist, energy, and have decided to label it god to satisfy your own mind.
No atheist will dispute this particular labeling with you.

As par the bold, you can actually speak of yourself. Some atheists have argued it and some will still argue it.

My point exactly is God is a label or tag and not a substantial entity. Atheists can disbeliev in Yahweh (a personal character) but when we use the general term God/god (label), then the atheist have to specify what he/she meant by god/God.

A good example is god in the bible as Men, in another case, god is used in place of judge.


So if an atheist simply say he disbelieve in God, does it mean he disbelieve in the existence of men and judges?

Fela is my God. I idolize him. . . .worship him and see him as the source of my inspiration.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of God defined as Fela?

I want you to understand that atheism is all about God and not specific definition of God. Atheism is the disbeliev in anything that could be called God. Any substance of believe in God (probably after defining) fails to atheism anymore.

musKeeto:
Some worship cows as God. I know cows exist. I believe in God.

To those people that worship cows, cow is God. And you to tell them you dont believe in God existence mean you dont believe cow exist.

God is more like a label. Disbelieving in label is simply irrational

Weah96:
I wouldn't say that I believe in it, because it isn't an anthropomorphic God. More like I'm aware of the idea and acknowledge it.

We are getting there bro. . . .

I want you to understand that attributing human character or personification of entity which brought it been describe as God brings much flaws into atheism.

From your argument, atheism is rooted on the disbelieve in personality attached to an entity rather than the entity itself.

Atheism tend to pull against thought and not reality on ground.

I think you understand me here?

addempsea:
"Several people in this world have grossly
mis-characterized Atheism as a belief. Let
me see if I can help explain Atheism by
means of a metaphor:
There is an auditorium full of people
gathered in groups and wearing colored
shirts; some groups are wearing red
shirts, others green, etc.... In the middle of
the auditorium is a table with an opaque
un-opened box on it and hanging from the
ceiling above the box is a sign that reads:
"What color is the fruit inside the box?".
The people wear the color of shirt they
believe the color of the fruit in the box to
be.

Some people believe the color of the fruit
to be red, because their family and friends,
teachers and acquaintances all believe it to
be red, and how could so many people be
wrong? Other people wear orange shirts
they have incredibly articulated logical
formulations to explain how the fruit can
be no other color than orange. Other
believe the color to be green; they
intuitively felt "green-ness" emitting from
the box the moment they entered the
auditorium. Etc....


The Atheist is the one who doesn't align
with a color, but rather questions: "Since
nobody has ever opened the box and
nobody can see into it, how do we know
there is even a fruit in it let alone know
what color it might be?". The people who
believe the fruit is in the box and believe
they know what color it is are the ones
holding a belief. The Atheist holds no belief
because there is no good reason to do so.

The reason that I, as an Atheist, engage in
dialog with believers is to, hopefully, help convince
them to focus their efforts on
finding out what's in the box rather than wasting
their time focusing on their beliefs. I hope this helps
clear up some of the misunderstanding people have
about Atheists and what we "believe" ."

Platteon could see this as the best explanation but I am sorry to say, this does not answer or have anything to do with the OP.

There is nowhere in the OP I mentioned that atheists believe. Atheism is defined as disbelieve in the existence of God. . . . .but the question remains at what is God?

An albino in a cuture is God. . . . .do you as an atheist disbelieve in the existence of God (albino)?

Fela is my God. I have stated this is many occassions. He is my God because I am influenced by him. Does this mean you disbelieve in existence of Fela because he is refered to as God?

That is the simple question begging for answer

Weah96:
Atheists define God as a personal God, and I agree. I have no problem with Spinoza's God. In fact, it's difficult to argue against the idea.

You have a point there.

But I will like to ask further more for clarity, do you believe or disbelieve in spinoza's God?

plaetton:
It's like asking someone which they disbelieve, Santa Clause or Father Christmas?

It's like asking whether they disbelieve the Santa with the very long beard, or the one with a much shorter beard?

Santa Claus is definitive unlike the word 'God'.

You know what I am pointing at, only that you want to drive this into another direction. Been a pantheistic atheist who believe energy is God, do you disbelieve in the existence of God (energy)?

In Yoruba spirituality, I am a God (being conscious). In pantheism, natural entities and everything that made up nature are God which you have agreed to in the past.

Even in the dictionary, influencial person are refer to as God.

So be an atheist, do you disbelieve I, natural entities and influencial persons are not existing when I refer to them as God?

Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.

^^^^ A qoute from uncle Harris.



Overtime through the journey, I perceive this quote to be truth. Atheism as a term should not exist, it does not make any sense.

When defined, atheism is simply disbelieve in the existence of God or deity. That known, the bigger problem roll in when atheists are charged to define what they mean by God which they disbelieve in. Many atheists would define God/deity as the creator of earth and end there. Many seem to view the word God from christianity and islamic angle. They forget that God as a term does not end with christianity and Islam. Out there today, God has different definition and conception. It is also not a personal name but more like a tag or label.

In some conceptions, God is a natural entity.

In the dictionary, God is an influencial person.

Therefore;

- If atheism as defined is the disbelieve in the existence of God, atheists should be able to tell us if they disbelieve in all definition and conception of God. Then we can arrive to God been define as influencial, admired and respected person; we arrive to the pantheistic definition of God as Nature and Natural entities. How can someone disbelieve in the existence of God (defined as influencial person or natural entities)? Will an atheist look into my face and tell me respected person and Natural entities does not exist? Well I will have to ask such atheist to check his/her brain.


- If atheism is the believe in some conception of God and disbelieve in some other conception God, then we can conclude such stance is rooted in confusion. Atheists don't believe in God, but you see them just talking about the Christian and Islamic God; what about spinoza's god? In the dictionary, God is defined as Theartre gallery, do we atheists disbelieve in the existence of theatre gallery? If there can be any strain of believe in any concept of God, then atheism seize to exist.

ccwizard:
It is because evil people like u and some others in Apc promised to make the nation ungovernable for GEJ. Despite all ur strategies to distract him n destroy the nation, he has delivered on most of his promises. GEJ is the most distracted president but the most outstanding performer dis nation has witnessed in the past 30years.

Pls coward, stop quoting me when you know you are empty upstair.

A Northerner Must Emerge in 2015 Or Nigeria Will Divide - Lawal Kaita. He is the one that said the nation will be ungovernable if GEJ wins the last election. He is a PDP man and a chieftain under Jonathan administration.

What y'all foolish saTAN have refused to realise is that the cluless Otueke drunkard is the C in C. He has every right to persecute anyone that tend to make his government undelivery. You also failed to realise that the slowpoke you have in Aso Rock affirmed that Boko-haram has infiltrated his govt, they are in his system. What cost your retar.deen from been a boss and arrest the APC members who make his government ungovernable?

From the beginning of GEJ reign, things has gone from worse to worst. I have the strong believe that Jonathan is destined to ruin Nigeria.

Together we have to make his destiny unfulfilled. We have to kick the badluck disguising as goodluck back to Otueke.

omenka:
What a confused bunch of people.

PDP: Flip flopping since "Edet went to school". (I don't. expect kids to understand).

You should welcome this bro. It is a blessing in disguise.

Expect that after the primary, PDP would split to many faction. It will be a smooth ride for GMB for the house of PDP has divided and fallen apart

laykorn:
Lol. You shouldn't have mentioned him. I don't want him on this thread.

You know say owo ogun ika o kin won.

Make I just dey watch sha

laykorn:
Ahhhh,let me get my pen and write an ode for you!!
Ayamlaykorn

Last time, Seun thought it was a joke but he paid for his cowardice. Eshu made him fell on his enemy side.

I dont need anything than his name and Adin.

Make him ban Bacarnista. . . . . .he is good as dead

It time I will give Eshu some job to do on Seun.

The last time Eshu worked on him, he lose data. This time around, Eshu will make him collapse.

Eshu mase mi
Seun ni ko se ti oun se sururu

Make I help Amechi small abeg.

Amechi : At least FG project is called 'Nothing'. How many people earn from Nothing?

People of River : Nothing.

dazangel11:
That one no be niger bridge oh

But the bridge na new bridge sha na OBJ build that bridge and he just fall like that na CCC construct am I no trust those chinese companies @ all.

That road is too important I trust the contractor will start working immediately

I mentioned Onisha not Niger's bridge.

Your GEJ should have ensured maintaince of that bridge and employ engineers to o proper checking. Life has been lot, I pray another wont go because of that bridge.

Anyway I was thinking of checking the east out and following you there but I go kuku ma sit down for my kabba look my countdown timer which is ticking set for 14/2/15. Maybe when Buhari build another bridge there, I go come that side

dazangel11:
Oga abeg no lashing here the buhari wey u dey defend and Jonathan wey me I dey defend no know us @ all. I am not saying buhari is not good enough I am only saying his time has come and gone and mind you I am not the only one that has this line on thought. There are many nigerians that do not want buhari to win because especially the youth but not because he's not capable but becasue we are tired of seeing his face on television. This election is not about party the day the APC will produce a better candidate pdp will not stand a chance.

On a final note I will not vote buhari becos I think his time is not now. I don't have a problem with him contesting though this is not about tribe or religion it is just my opinion and I am entitled to it

I respect your opinion Miss.

Do have a nice time

dazangel11:
Ok let me say this. If buhari is the only non corrupt person the opposition has to offer then I would rather vote for a corrupt GEJ. I
still do not believe buhari is not coRrupt though. because them no see banana for monkey hand no mean say he no dey shop banana.

Buharia is in the past let's get a new uncorrupt person or we continue with corrupt GEJ.

I wish your candidate the best of luck. . . .but the luck he will get might not be the best you expect.

Cheers

dazangel11:
;DI trek.
But seriosly that bridge never fall oo no dey carry rumor here abeg..

You no see this morning update warning travellers about the fallen bridge?


Shebi GEJ dey work na.

dazangel11:
Trust me in the Nigeria of today if u like make st peter the president looting will continue
If we are serious about fighting corruption America will know. So if you think when buhari bcomes president that corruption will stop man think again.

If you can argue that buhari is a saint what about his other party members that will play key roles in his government ehn?

I am not calling or trying to make Buhari look like a saint. He is not, pls note that.

But on his antecedence and job he did then, we can trust that he will fight against corruption. He has done it before and will surely do it again

dazangel11:
I do not hate buhari. He is ok although not a saint he claim to be
I would have wanted buhari in his good nature to pick another person or friend whom he trust an deliver to contest

The face might not be young but a new face. Talking about experience which experience did buhari have b4 he bcame HOS. You don't need experience a leader is a leader .

Where did Buhari claims to be a saint?

Is he not the same person that said he is ok by the primary election result and ready to work with who ever win the ticket?

Is he as a Nigerian not credible again to hold an office? Miss, it is his right to vote and be voted for. So if he wins the primary againt other APC aspirants, he is as good to go as the rocket in empty space.

Miss, I have told you severally, I dont like lashing women. They are special gift of nature. But pls stop lying and spreading false information. Buhari was the PTF chairman before he became the HOD. What he did as a chairman then was what qualifies him as the chosen HOD. . . . .and for sure the chosen leader of our days.

He has his experience. He is tested, trusted and reliable.

dazangel11:
What has happened under GEJ? Is it not the same looting that has been going on since independence? What's the difference btw the looting going on in GEJ's governement and the looting that draged Nigeria to this shit.?

And this dearie young lady wants looting to continue?

Are we in the kleptocratic republic?

Pls someone help me here.

dazangel11:
Well mine goes to GEJ he is the new. Buhari should retire and continue eating his pension money.

Madam, Onisha bridge has fallen down.


How you go take reach your villa?

dazangel11:
Is buhari not corrupt? Are all nigerian leaders both past and present not corrupt?

Miss. . . . .You did not experince Buhari's reign because youwerent born at that period. You are grossly ignorant about who he is/was because you are adamant to learning. You are misinformed, feed with lies and fairy tales. And this is what you drew your conclusion from?

Read your history Miss, Buhari fought against corruption and made lot of success putting it at the bay. There is no other person in this country that have reached the height he went in his campaign agaisnt corruption.

Who doesnt know that GEJ is corrupt? Even the people outside the shore of this country are disturbed with the high stinking rate of corruption in GEJ government. Yet you kept mute about that but keep shouting GMB is corrupt. How do you know he is corrupt when you lack knowledge about who is? How do you know he is corrupt when you have been misinformed about who he really is? How do you know he is corrupt when only rely on hearsay from your deluded uncle in the villa? How do you know he is corrupt when you have been clouded with ethnical hate and become a religious big.ot?

Miss, I am sorry to say, you are the most corrupt person here. Your heart and mouth is filled with lies. An evidence your mind is filled with corruption.

dazangel11:
Sorry mr. I wasn't arround when he was HOS I didn't know he turned this country into heaven b4 he was booted out but his time has come and gone we need new faces not the same old reccycled shit

If you werent born when he ruled that doesnt mean you should write false and unverified account about him.

You can hate him (maybe because on ethnic or religion) but that doesnt mean your should spread lies about him. Ignorance is not an excuse here. There are books out there which you can read and gather the truth from. A stop at the wikipedia is enough to find what he has achieved. I think you should do away with this dubious hearsay of yours.


And Miss, who is the young age person you want to see as the president? Why cant you campaign for the young person maybe that would gear him to pick a ticket for the presidency? And how do you think the new fella can do better than old ones? Do you know what they call experience?


The youth of this days are not focused. If you have a youth that can do the job, team up with him/her and pick a form.

Buhari has shown us he is ready for the job and we trust he will deliver. You either support him or continue looking for the new face. . . . .young pal who you think can do better.

One the serious account. . . . .stop spreading unverified and unconfirmed accounts. Use much of your effort on the man you want as the president rather than tarnishing another man's image with lies and hearsay

dazangel11:
If buhari is the best apc can do then I really weep for Nigeria.

He did nothing as a military head. Of states with all his powers and young brain. How can he perform now? what changed?

I cant believe you typed this with a straight face.

What and what have you read about Buhari that made you conclude he didnt do anything while he was the head of state?

For your information dear, Buhari 20 months reign records excellent performance which is more than 15 years reign of PDP all put together.

If you dont know anything about Buhari, why cant you keep mute or rather learn from those that witnessed his reign or read about him than relying on some false information from deluded uncles in your village or where ever you heard that Buhari did nothing as the HOS.

I dont understand something here. Why cant Tambulwa use private securities rather than encamp himself with old men that knows nothing about security operation?

This man needs full protection

Excellent post

bigtt76:
Picshureeeee oo!

mployer:
Where Is the pics?

uploaded!!!!

Esie is an ancient Igbomina town in Irepodun Local Government Area lying some kilometres away from Ilorin, capital of Kwara State, that is rich in unique historical monuments. The town is generally known as a home of 800 soapstone figures.

The first National Museum in Nigeria was built in Esie. Inside it stand the mysterious stone images whose origin has remained unknown till date.
Since their discovery 240 years ago in a thick forest near the community, no one has been able to solve the raging puzzle. Till date, it still remains a mystery. The Origin of Soapstone figures is bewildering. Indeed, nobody knows how these stone images exactly came about except a explanation offered by inhabitants of the town. The most popular among them is that the 800 stone images were rebellious settlers who were turned into stone images by the Gods.

And judging from other stone scruptures in other world, they are work of men. So what could be the source of the Esie statues? Could it have originated from the Gods or they are mere work of men?

According to the explanation, these rebellious settlers were from another tribe of Yoruba Land who sent words to Elesie that they were coming to settle down in his town but to their utter disappointment, they were not received hence they settled outside the city of Esie. It later became known that these settlers became a threat to the security of the town.

They were undermining the administration of the chief and were about to rebel and as a result, the god of the land, being on the side of Elesie of Esie, turned these recalcitrant set of 800 settlers into stone statutes.

The figures are realistic representations of men and women mostly seated on stools and sometimes kneeling. Royalty and wellbeing pervade this collection with many of them adorned with beads and headgears. Some of the statues play musical instruments, hold machetes, arrows and other objects. Others simply place their hands on their knees as if in deep contemplation. Another set of images shows some peoples enjoying at a place that looks like the local palm wine shop. Their various facial marks and rich paraphernalia, occpations and elaborate hairdos attest to the strong likelihood of earlier contacts between the people of the area and other major civilizations.

This narration from the inhabitants appears real judging from the shapes and features of the soapstones. There are some that had with them swords, axe and arrows. Some categories where found sitting in circle which Oba Ere was in the centre. These sets wore different beads, headties and crowns. Around them were found some men and women holding different weapons. This explain that they are most likely preparing for a war.

Another set of images shows some peoples enjoying at a place that look like a local palm wine shop. And the mark on their faces attest that they are of Yoruba Origin.

However, this explanation does not add up. How could human being turn to stone? What form of power could be used?

Owing to the permanence of the material, evidence can be found that even the earliest societies indulged in some form of stone work, though not all areas of the world have such abundance of good stone for carving as Egypt, Greece, India and most of Europe. Human shaped stone figures is predominant in ancient artworks. Carving stone into sculpture is an activity older than civilization itself, beginning perhaps with incised images on cave walls.

This, even when not confirmed throws in doubt that Esie stone figure could be some artwork from unknown artist. The artist could have been a traveller or chose to keep his work in the thick forest before it was found. The artist could have died leading to reason why he failed to take glory for his work.

One cannot easily judge who it is that carved those images in Esie. Does the Gods carved it. Or is it ordinary man work? How does over 800 stone images manage to get to Esie community in Kwara State when the indigenes are not stone carvers? Could it be that the god just got angry with earlier inhabitants of the town and decided to turn all of them to stones as a punishment? Could it be that a stone image carver abandoned the images after working on them? Are these human beings who were once turned into stones as the Ifa oracle once revealed? How does the images get to Esie since the material for making them is not immediately available in the locality?


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babyphaze77:
Wow.....wat a question. You won't see what he has done because you think like the old one who believe you must be old to do things right. It is only in Africa you see older people dieing to rule. Mugabe not an exception.

Oga can you pls tell us what your younger and youthful GEJ has done to Nigeria which you and others have enjoyed?

hopelink1:
dat wont make us vote buhari, except ...

You only have one vote Mr

okoromike:
GO TO HELL,,,,,,,,,silly sellout.

When saTANs are out of words, they resort to gilberish and insults.

By the way GMB till 2019