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This would be the first time I quote you. Lets have fun

Joshthefirst: Energy in motion, is not conscious, does not have direction. It must be harnessed.

What is consciousness?

Joshthefirst: The consciousness and direction we see in the universe implies a conscious and purposeful God. The fine-tuning of universal constraints to make life possible cannot be ignored. This is not "godidit".

And this applies to Natural disaster and disease epidemic? If the universe is a smooth flow, we wouldn't have struggled for survival and fitting.

Joshthefirst: This is the fact that the universe itself implies a conscious and purposeful creator.

Can we start here by telling us whom this creator is? Zeus or Yahweh or Osiris?

Joshthefirst: We call him God. He is not an ignorant answer to our questions, he is an acknowledgement of a very sane and seeing man.

Your God is a man.....homo sapien right?

Joshthefirst: So I disagree with you macof. God is not energy. God is a being, like us. He is the Cause.

If God is a being like us, then he is a condensed energy. Which implies Energy predate him.

Joshthefirst: And the fact that humans paint this "God" in their image does not nihilize his "Being" and his objective attributes.

This rightful buttress that in the beginning, Man created God out of unknown to form an entity which other men would be subjected to.

This would be the first time I quote you. Lets have fun

Joshthefirst: Energy in motion, is not conscious, does not have direction. It must be harnessed.

What is consciousness?

Joshthefirst: The consciousness and direction we see in the universe implies a conscious and purposeful God. The fine-tuning of universal constraints to make life possible cannot be ignored. This is not "godidit".

And this applies to Natural disaster and disease epidemic? If the universe is a smooth flow, we wouldn't have struggled for survival and fitting.

Joshthefirst: This is the fact that the universe itself implies a conscious and purposeful creator.

Can we start here by telling us whom this creator is? Zeus or Yahweh or Osiris?

Joshthefirst: We call him God. He is not an ignorant answer to our questions, he is an acknowledgement of a very sane and seeing man.

Your God is a man.....homo sapien right?

Joshthefirst: So I disagree with you macof. God is not energy. God is a being, like us. He is the Cause.

If God is a being like us, then he is a condensed energy. Which implies Energy predate him.

Joshthefirst: And the fact that humans paint this "God" in their image does not nihilize his "Being" and his objective attributes.

This rightful buttress that in the beginning, Man created God out of unknown to form an entity which other men would be subjected to.

Sylvekzee: More grease Macof! More grease to these your elbows. And you too FOLYKAZE. The "God" term has become one cone of the most misunderstood concepts in this life, all thanks to religion especially christianity.

I have a request for you guys. How can one be/grow spiritual? i.e be able to identify, and relate with these "forces" and his own spiritual self?

I know close to nothing about other ethnic spirituality so permit me to walk around in the premises which I have knowledge about.

According to Buddhism, realisation of enlightenment is seeking patience and focus.

According to Ifa, realisation of consciousness and divinity is through Iwa pele (patience character).

There are many things to learn and know in the spiritual world. Spiritualism starts from observation, inquiries and understanding. It could be with anything in your environment. Just be focus...

Ire

PAGAN 9JA:
your forefathers cant be catholics. Maybe only upto your Great Grandfather.

His ancedtors were ported to foreign lands as slave. Lol

POPE II: What is thi one saying? You claimed we are slav prove it to us ,
You struck me ? Dude you wish read my signature and come back again, I proudly participate in the destruction of shrines in Africa. So your nonsense can't affect me . Like I said earlier my forefathers were Catholics , and paganism has no place in my life

How does that suffix the number of catholic church burned, bombed and destroyed?

POPE II: Stop distorting history I know plenty ijebu guys who say they ain't Yoruba and have never been Yoruba, they don't acknowledge your ife origin or whatever

Name those Ijebu guys pls. And pls dont mention fools like ya that belief Oduduwa was from Mecca or Judea

POPE II: You must b high on cheap drugs , the,onus is on you to prove us the legitimacy of your Satanism, as far I'm concerned and from the best of my knowledge Yoruba have not always been one , so how come this dude is screaming and shouting Yoruba paganism this and that . Dude gives us a Break you are the Ones calling people who made their choices slaves, you are the ones asking us to come to your rubbish, the ones begging us, can you mind your business? How many Christians here open thread about pagans? Jokers

You mean I should proof your claim? Tell me this is a joke.

Dont cry foul here.....I strucked you right in your heart. You dont know about the lies and distortion christians paint Paganism with?

Common you a troll.....come with something tangible.

FrancisTony: LMAO. Jesus doesn't care about naming with his name.
E.g how do u expect a pagan to honour a christian. Or a muslim to honour a christian.

@folykaze or whatever you call yourself. All i have to tell you is to use your brain.
YOU AIN'T A FOOL. Or Are you?

You got nothing to offer. Are you named after your ancestors or some foreign nobody? If you are after foreign nobody, then your ancestors are nothing better than elephantshit.

The Romans are practically pagans. They bow to statures and still bear name after Roman Gods. The universal day of today were attributed to Gods....what value your Jesus got than placed in the house of loot?

Allah and Mohamed made it to Saudi national flag. The Queen of England made it to the England anthem.....check sweden flag.....it a pagan god flying high. Where is the reputation of your dead man on the cross?

This is a plain fact today you heard from folykaze : Jesus translated from Latin mean 'HAIL ZEUS' You know now whom you worship which is a Greek God of the Sun on every SUNday. Go and figure....am done with you kid

FrancisTony: LMAO. Jesus doesn't care about naming with his name.
E.g how do u expect a pagan to honour a christian. Or a muslim to honour a christian.

@folykaze or whatever you call yourself. All i have to tell you is to use your brain.
YOU AIN'T A FOOL. Or Are you?

You got nothing to offer. Are you named after your ancestors or some foreign nobody? If you are after foreign nobody, then your ancestors are nothing better than elephantshit.

The Romans are practically pagans. They bow to statures and still bear name after Roman Gods. The universal day of today were attributed to Gods....what value your Jesus got than placed in the house of loot?

Allah and Mohamed made it to Saudi national flag. The Queen of England made it to the England anthem.....check sweden flag.....it a pagan god flying high. Where is the reputation of your dead man on the cross?

This is a plain fact today you heard from folykaze : Jesus translated from Latin mean 'HAIL ZEUS' You know now whom you worship which is a Greek God of the Sun on every SUNday. Go and figure....am done with you kid

POPE II: I interact with a lot of them. They are all proud/staunch Christians-Catholics .

What has interaction got to do here? Only if you know that christianity is a reformed paganism....lol

POPE II: Maybe you missed my point, my point was that your paganism may have changed as time goes on . Like I said cultures are not static they borrow add, loose etc . Maybe the paganism you are following today was imposed on you by a more powerful group or Yoruba group, who knows? I can go as far as 1700 , since 1700 all my people have been staunch Catholic, that's enough for me , I'm not going to look for something that doesn't exist anymore.

You always want to paint others like christians who are purportedly confused among others racing from babylonian-canaanite paganism remixing with Egyptology which gave birth to Judaism and Evolved many religious sect like Ebionite and to christianity. Sauce were added to pentecostalism, baptism and far coptic including greek and ethiopian orthodox. You want me to educate you on the remix?

Claiming that Yoruba spirituality evolved or imported from foreign nation defines how dumb you are. I dont want claims, tender your fact like a lion.

FrancisTony: Mstcheew. Jesus ain't that jobless to sit down and start naming months and days.
Roman pagans named months and days? And so what!

Name is nothing but a mere writeup.
They named days and month doesn't mean they have the control of those days/month.
God has it all.
I might wish to name anyday and how does that make me owner of that day.

Ewwww!! Paganism brings ignorance and its extreme.

Replying this would make me appear laike a sane man fighting a mad man. But sometimes, I need to maturely trash ya a.s.s soo that your nitwit brain wont misled you.

A reputable and respected identity are used as name for a phenomena. Jesus is a useless character which Julius Ceaser got reputation than.

POPE II: yawns, what makes me a slave? As if the so called Romans did not abandon their own paganism, at least in Nigeria we consider it as folklore over there they don't know about it anymore .lol like I said prove to me that your actual paganism has always existed and been practiced by all Yoruba. If you can't then shove it where the sun doesn't shine. My forefathers were Catholics and they know/knew better than you .

Proudly Roman Catholic

Nobody forces you to accept paganism. There is this saying in Yoruba spiritualism that 'ori eni ni orisa eni' meaning you are your own divinity. Also 'ti orisa o ba ti gbe wa, ama pa ti ni' meaning if a divinity is not working for you, just ignore it. So it completely wrong when you ask for prove that ALL people practise paganism. Nobody kills through crusade or jihad....or threaten you with hell for not practising paganism. One man food is another man poison.....and you can only go for what works for you. Moreso practically, we are all pagans. We worship money, country, elders, valuable goods and personalities....that is the proof that not only all in Yoruba but the whole universe.


Lol....what more can I add for a proudly roman slave who claimed the rome trashed their divinity but forgotten that the days of today were named after roman Gods......person even have value than Jesus in term of naming months, days and time of calender. Should I add more?

POPE II: Dude you can't even prove to me that 500years ago your people were following the same and exact paganism-religion you are bothering people with . This is exactly what I meant when I said you guys suffer from inferiority complex , what makes you think we gave up on our culture, tribes and religion? Who told you a culture is static ? Do you think hausa people started the way you found them?

The Scandinavian abandoned their paganism, so did the Germans, etc today they are leading the world in all ramifications , which simply means your paganism doesn't guaranty anything , and you can embrace Christianity and still work for your tribe or country .

Stop suffering from inferiority complex

Remorse cry from a confused roman slave.

Ghost01: Try and google 'The Yoruba Traditional Belief System' to learn about the traditional beliefs and practices of the Yorubas (You'll find enough literature on it online, I believe). The traditional belief system of the Yorubas revolves around Ifa - the Yoruba divination system. The Yorubas too have their own account of creation which, like the Adam and Eve story, is to an objective mind a myth. The Yoruba Traditional Belief System (YTBS), just like the Greek mythology, is plainly polytheistic in nature, seeing as the Yorubas belives that there are (at least) 400 gods, called Orishas. I can go on and on but I believe you'll get enough materials on the internet.

PS: 'Yoruba' is just one of the over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria, and each of these ethnic groups have their own traditional belief system. I believe you'll likely find more materials details YTBS online than most of the rest.

As par the bold, I will ask you to shut the hell up.

Adam and Eve story is metaphoric and not myth.

Yoruba traditional belief is symbolical briefing and not concorted tale.


You guys should stop doing the bad job

I so much love thread like this. It a course of awakeness and enlightenment. Thanks for bringing it up.

Religion has been the pivoter of delusion and fairies. Religion is simply concorted lies created by the people to control the gullible minds just like animals.

I understand the fact that there are mixtures of spirituality and unsubstantial fables embedded in religion. It like content of water in Gulder drink but that doesn't make Gulder a water. Form of spirituality in religion still makes spirituality stand on it own originality. Spiritualism is a practical means of relating with natural forces, enquiring more about oneself and understanding our natural environment. Spirituality is the door-post into the unknown and infinitness.

Science on the other hand is a boundaried circle that define and picture spiritual course in an explanable process. Science is the finite while spirituality is the infinity which gave birth to science. What science have in purse is remodelling of reality.

Atheism curled from nnofaith and wiegraf is typical intellectual laziness, ignorance, arrogance and pride. There standpoint is basic hatred from not fully understood worldview and their remorse adamancy defending self only through insults and sarcasm. So if you are describing atheism from these guys side, you are long on endless course.

The deal on God or Gods is not fully understood by science....spirituality have more hands there than science does. Take for example the concept of 'Oro and Egungun' in Yoruba spirituality......which mean conversing with the dead ancestors. When tabled to science world or to atheist, it might sound as myth and superstitious but similar course are projected by Russian Scientist which would be finalized on or before 2045. What most dont understand is that death doesn't practically romance with biology. How can we have explanable preview with logic on consciousness of dead bodies when we dont know much about the brain not to mention the mind and thought. The best I know here is that mind and thought are form of energies (can only be transformed) which can be deviced or manipulated for a purpose.

It time for people to start understanding the plain concept of Gods and Deities in spiritual circle. Tyr is a Norse God which equates to planet Mars of today. Base on the ancient discovery, our days were named after these spiritual gods (planetary bodies). Same applies to Amahodia, Sango and Thor that equates electrical energy. The problem we will always have is holding unto metaphorical and allegorical illustrations instead of deciphering and digging into the original form. There are some form of spiritual truths in the bible....Apostle Paul attested to the fact that Abraham and his families illustration is just an allegory or practical myth or figurative concept used to explain a theological concept and the world of the jew. The two women are mountains : mount sinai in Arabia and Jerusalem hills. Arguably, Yahweh is a Mountain/hill which implies that Abraham would not be a person. Here religion comes in confusing the mind of people that Sarah and Hagar are mothers in human nature.....that is where the fools claim to be children of father Abraham through Mother Sarah or Hagar. So basically, Hagar and Sarah is a geographical location describing the relationship in which ever way between Israel and Arabia (modern day Saudi Arabia and it surroundings). I once told a friend that the tree of life in the garden of Eden mean Intelligence but he find it hard to accept despite the pointings I put in using the bible. This is how billions of human are diverted away from facts.

My atheism is a race away from religion while being spiritual atheist is a dive into spiritualism. Be it Yoruba spirituality or the so called bible. A lot have been distorted and headed into superstitious fantasy.

I will miss that guy so much

GEJ always start the year with clueless daftness

Happy new year ya all

I am in the middle here since I couldn't find direct indigenous words for somethings. There are many of these words which are said unnoticedly romancing it foreign lingua thereby loosing it original or local dialects. Here are some fruits which i couldn't find Yoruba word for;

- Cashew
- Tangerine
- Fruit
- Mango
- Water Melon

I didn't include Apple because it not a fruit found here on our soil. Been that it is imported, foreign names would be imported alongside it too. What are the indigenous names for the fruits listed above? If the names could not be provided, does that mean the fruits were foreign fruits or the indigenous words for them are extinct? Would also appreciate other Indigenous names apart from Yoruba which those fruits are called.

I am in the middle here since I couldn't find direct indigenous words for somethings. There are many of these words which are said unnoticedly romancing it foreign lingua thereby loosing it original or local dialects. Here are some fruits which i couldn't find Yoruba word for;

Cashew
Tangerine
Fruit
Mango
Water Melon

I didn't include Apple because it not a fruit found here on our soil. Been that it is imported, foreign names would be imported too. What are the indigenous names for the fruits listed above? If the names could not be provided, does that mean the fruits were foreign fruits or the indigenous words for them are extinct? Would also appreciate other Indigenous names apart from Yoruba which those fruits are called.

I am in the middle here since I couldn't find direct indigenous words for somethings. There are many of these words which are said unnoticedly romancing it foreign lingua thereby loosing it original or local dialects. Here are some fruits which i couldn't find Yoruba word for;

- Cashew
- Tangerine
- Fruit
- Mango
- Water Melon

I didn't include Apple because it not a fruit found here on our soil. Been that it is imported, foreign names would be imported alongside it too. What are the indigenous names for the fruits listed above? If the names could not be provided, does that mean the fruits were foreign fruits or the indigenous words for them are extinct? Would also appreciate other Indigenous names apart from Yoruba which those fruits are called.

FrancisTony: Who invited this one here??

Just sharaap

rationalmind: Maybe because the questions were irrelevant.

I had made my stance known and I'm not going back.

Edit: And sorry, I only answer sensible questions. The question you asked about birth certificate wasn't sensible.

And before you come to ask another senseless question, muslims are claiming the big-bang was foretold in the quran.

Ponder very well on that.

And the bold works for OP.

rationalmind: Lol, I had made my position clear already. In place of the other several irrelevant verses, QM would had been put there considering its huge benefits on our well being which is one of the main things religion tends to achieve.

I can't be repeating myself bro.

There is nothing dishonest about the thread. There are over 31,000 verses in the bible a great number of which are absolutely irrelevant. Tell me why QM couldn't had been placed in one of those irrelevant verses.

This is the same bible that contains verses of genocide, idolatory, slavery amongst several other barbaric verses.

Abeg, shift

Baseless rants


Do answer my questions or we agree that you only want to bark around on irrelevancy

Magic is a practical and skillful tricks while miracle is un explanable coincidence which are attributed to God

@ Rationalmind

Did you find description of sex position and styles p&m had that lead to your pregnancy the last time you checked your birth certificate or did you find any explanation that described how you won the race among other sperm cell inside 'Pman P'? (sorry if this is embarassing).

Somethings are not rational when talked about considering moment and person. There is no word that can move me in some occassions. And there are somethings I cant reveal considering the person intellect and mindset. It really irrational to ask for QM from the buble. It like searching for chemical components in finance textbook. To be sincere with you, this thread is completetly display of dishonesty.

I am an atheist and embrace logical reasoning but not and never stupidity. Give me water so that I satisfied my thirst and not stories of molecules contained in water.........if you understand this, you would see where am pointing at.

We will get there someday when the church would spread the message that Jesus was an hoax cooked into history. We will get there where people would realise that God is myth.

There is no denial in the existences of Gods. The Gods are natural energies/forces likewise we and everything in the universe are gods.

We are all connected by energy. Sango the electrical energy liveth forever.....nobody created it and nor can destroy it. It is present in our body system even when we are not aware.....the Gods dont beg us for worship.....faith.....belief. Knowledge and understand is what we need through realisation and enlightenment.

I dont know why I hate condom......well am save because I am faithful to her. Say No To CONDOM. It gives her vargina pains and likely you wont fill the man you are.

Are you sure the system is not having any problem? Am in Ondo state and would need reduction in price. At least around 45k

Rapture ready.

I think the mistake we people make is taking allegory in a literal sense.

Sango from the best I know is an electrical energy who is said to fight with thunder stone (jakuta). It truth that there was a king called Sango in Old Oyo but history made us to know that there had been Jakuta (sango cult) prior to the king. He was named sango because he possessed the potential of devicing the energetic sango when he was on earth. Since he mastered this, he is called after it. Just in the way blacksmith are called Ogun.

I think Africans should work scholarly together and decipher myths attribute attached to this deities. It blown your mind when I told you Norse god Tyr is planet mars, Odin represent Mercury and Thor represent Jupiter. The worst hit was when I told you lucifer 'morning star' is planet Venus. But the fact is that you are taking this Gods to be human or monsters or mythical figures. I just wondered when you said these gods are in the museum. Lol.....like saying planet Venus is in the museum.

Spirituality to the best I know birthed science.....if you are looking at it from scientifical sides, it might look like bullshit. The fact I know is that spirituality is deep rotten in the understanding of the multiverse.

It very complicated and might lead to wrong conception if you handle this things on literal surface. Lets take for example....Orun translates to Heaven could mean Zenith and also mean Womb. So if a yoruba person is describing a womb and use Orun, you might get it wrong when you translate it to mean celestial sphere.

Would you be mind blown again if I tell you that Yemoja - deity of the sea is Icy comet considering the 'universe in place hypothesis'? The hypothesis took allegory that Yemoja is a beautiful woman who live with other Orisa in the days when women were scared in heaven. Everybody want to have sex with her including his son. And she got pregnant but this is a great abomination to have a man on her mother so they planned to kill her and her son. She took to her race toward earth as her son agreed to kill her with his hand and also take his own life. On the course of running, she fell and her belly hit the ground. Her babies (Osun- fresh water, Olokun - salty water, orisa Aje - cowries and others making them sixteen) were out of her opened belly. Science explained that water on this earth were from the Icy comets that bombarded planet earth. They hitted the ground from outer space which which birth body of water. Nollywood on the other side depict Yemoja as half fish half human. So you would know which one to take whether the coded message or the painted myth.

You would be suprised if you know i'm an atheist. Spiritual atheist to be specific. Yoruba paganism to me is more like naturalistic pantheism. If you understand pantheism....you would know it related to spiritual atheism and when God is used in their illustrations, they are refering to natural forces/energies not monsters.

The best day to sell condom....enough drink, home service and whatever