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Ajibam: do you also miss the part i explain that other gospel wasn't copied!!!

The big rebuttal is this

Sarassin: Not quite.

Let us have no illusions about the “blessed Papias”, he was an obscure author, absolutely nobody took him seriously, his volumes were considered so outlandish they never survived in its entirety. Eusebius read them and remarked that “Papias was a man of exceedingly low intelligence” (church history, 3, 39,13) The passage you have quoted is Fragment 3:15 of Papias’ exposition.

His exact claims were that, Peter the disciple would often speak about Jesus as the occasion demanded, his secretary Mark wrote his words from memory but not in order. Papias also states …he obtained this information from an elderly Christian, in other words….it was hearsay. Papias further claims that Matthew wrote down the sayings of Jesus in Hebrew and that everyone interpreted them as they could. That Gospel is certainly not the Book of Matthew which contains significantly more than just sayings of Jesus, and was originally written in Greek. In fact there is a book that contains only the sayings of Jesus, written in Syriac, a close form of Aramaic, it is called the Gospel of Thomas, typically of Christianity it is not a part of the NT canons.

Practically everything else written by Papias is discredited as pious fabrication, you have only to read his accounts of the death of Judas Iscariot (fragment 4) to conclude that one flew over the cuckoo’s nest. Lastly, he says nothing about Luke or John.

deal with it.

Nope. God is the devil.

But @ Op. I read some articles that stated that lucifer aka morning star is planet venus in realistic sense. What do you think of this?

Manhunter™:
So Mr President has left the thread so that the zombies can eat each others head......... classic

lol. This is an educative stream. We are learning bro. I thought of creating a thread for this....but 'na here he take me us and it went far already'. No vex if we derailed your thread.

9jadelta: what r u talking about? :-/
is sango a scientific theory or ur delusion? do I have to be a babalawo to bend thunder? do I have to be a scientists to connect two wires together to divert electricity?
can u bend thunder or turn it to electricity?
if yes, prove it and tell us how u did it or commercialise it. if no, shut the Bleep up

Science is not only compatible with spiritualism; it is the profound source of science - carl sagan.

How do you understand that quote pls?

thehomer: e.g the effects on the moon, the tides and light. No, it is because the discoverers had better insight into the phenomenon than others. They actually did know more about gravity.

Lol. I cant help but laugh at this ignorance you are displaying everywhere.

The egyptians invented the dating system in relation with solar system. Is it perfect or not?

Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. The Dogon in Mali documented Sirius before the european came. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood. Egyptians charted the movement of the sun and constellations and the cycles of the moon. They divided the year into 12 parts and developed a yearlong calendar system containing 365 ¼ days. Clocks were made with moving water and sundial-like clocks were used. A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar. Need I remember you the great pyramid and it relativeness with astronomical references? And you said Africans do not know moon and it tide. You are an embarrassment to Black race.


Where did we get it wrong Mother Africa? Ignorance is killing your children

What is the meaning of this crap?

thehomer: No problem.

Thanks for waiting bro.

thehomer: Actually, they didn't. They felt the effects of gravity and could carry out some actions with it but forming the theory and demonstrating the mathematical relationships wasn't first done by Africans. You can read up more on it here. The fact that Africans weren't first to the table doesn't mean that whatever non-Africans observed was wrong.

@ the bold indicate you are a typical white men slave. You have shown us how deep your inferiority mentality is.

Who said other discovery among other people is wrong?

thehomer: Most atheists mock spiritualism whether African or otherwise. Spiritualism isn't enough and it isn't universally known so you still need three examples. What exactly is spiritualism supposed to be?

Is this guy smoking cracky? You said atheist are mocking spiritualism but you dont know what spiritualism is so you got to ask me after you made claim on it.......wtf

thehomer: Mungo Park made some important discoveries there whether you like it or not. You really seem hung up on Mungo Park. How many Africans bothered to take the time to trace the complete route of the river and write about it?

words of a colonial boy. Smh. Africa have a long way to go with this kind of mentality

Do Yoruba people know Odo Oya before Park came?

thehomer: Your quote still doesn't make the theory of evolution false. Even if Darwin ate three babies a day and drank the blood of pregnant women, those things won't make his theory wrong. What would make his theory wrong is if the real world didn't work the way he proposed. That is what you should be addressing rather than committing the ad hominem fallacy. You're merely saying that Darwin was a bad man so we shouldn't accept the theory of evolution. But that is a fallacious line of argument.

I am not expecting something different from this. Your ancestors, heritage, history, culture, person, People and world was insulted but you cant do anything than lick it since it from white man.


Grooving with fela song......kolo mentality. As it is in christiandom so it is in Nairaland atheisticdom

Mr Troll: lol, as if that somehow makes it less oyinbo.

Lol. Purchase change the ownership of a commodity to hand of the buyer in as much payment is cleared.

Mr Troll: if it is a theory from western scientist nko? That makes it a problem how?

The problem is eurocentric mentality and inferiorty mindset of Atheist pushing toward the west. Darwin said this, it is this in america, we should do like this because us.....that is the most common thing Africans vomit.

Mr Troll: I have utmost respect for any invention and scientific discovery whether african or western...

I appreciate and respect that.

thehomer: Well if the person picks human, then that person is also an ape.

The evidence is in the definition of ape. Follow the link. If you can't, I'll post the introduction here. You can read the entire article.

Are we bacteria? Every complex organism evolved from a bacteria. Why cant we call humans bacteria?

thehomer: Humans are apes and apes share common ancestry.

Why are there still Apes today?

We shared common ancestor. Who is this common ancestor?

thehomer: What is this? Are you a sockpuppet? I was talking to macof. Are you macof or am I missing something here?

FOLYKAZE is a bad shooter. I will bring you down when I got chance and find out you riding strawman. Sorry

thehomer: I didn't know that James Watson's opinion was the end of any discussion on race and intelligence. What you're doing is committing the fallacious appeal to authority because James Watson isn't a professional psychologist and actual psychologists don't accept that conclusion.

Dont take us as fool pls. You cannot speculate something and thing we will eat it. Back your point with fact. Where is the video or article link that the colleague of Dr James renounce his claim?

thehomer: I wonder if you read the Wikipedia article you linked because it also pointed out:

Folykaze wont fall to the game play on ignoramus. You can quote that to hide your masters.

The project was based on IQ testing and DNA testing. Is there no universal IQ and DNA test again which have to be differentiated among race and ethnic? Guy stop playing on my intelligence.

thehomer: You really should have read your own source.

IQ and DNA testing is a universal stuff. You cant bend that.

Also I read what is in the link....there is nothing like public renouncing there.

thehomer: Can you read the article I linked to or do you have a problem with it?

Just like christian would ask me to read bible. For mess sake why do we always dance to tune that If you want to hide something for an African, put it in a book?

You accepted this thing and should be able to defend it. Refering me to a book is not making sense.

MR MAN......I ASKED FOR CONTENT NOT LINK.

thehomer: How does any other scientific theory insult African intelligence? i.e if African intelligence is actually a coherent concept. If you had read the article you posted, you'll have seen the flaws in that question.

Another lazy no reply. Evolution insulted your ancestors. They were called Ape....they even said your people have low intelligence likely related to that of animal.

thehomer: How is it junk? When I'm refuting the Christian's opinion, I use facts. Do you want me to teach you biology on an anonymous public forum? You first need to understand what is being discussed. You asked for evidence of evolution, I sent you a link about evidence for evolution and you're complaining. If you find it confusing, just point at the heading you find confusing. I can but the article does a much better job. Don't forget that you also directed me to a Wikipedia article that you apparently didn't read.

Christian : Accept Jesus

Thehomer : why would I.

Christian : He died for your sin

Thehomer : evidence pls

Christian : read the bible.

Is bible an evidence for a reality? Mr man....if you cant provide any evidence just know that you are nothing different from christians.

And stop refering me to a link.....put the content here and lets reveal it. Giving me link is like christian quoting bible to back their point.

thehomer: Because it was part of the ape lineage.

Meaning we evolved from Ape?

thehomer: Start wherever you want.

Ape have two chromosomes more than we do. The two chromosomes is not the issue here but the information embedded in these chromosomes.

It is plain from the info on this chromosomes that we are different.

thehomer: So all I've said is factual yet you're complaining? Rather than complaining, why don't you take the time to actually understand the theory you're failing to criticize?

Stop kidding me. What have you said that s factual? The link or what?

macof: To the bold- you know this but you were playing dumb when I said "western science" when u knew exactly wat I meant.

Such Criminal attitude

lmao. Some atheist can be so irritating. He accused you for being wrong and he is also insisting that there is 'western science'. Common sense is not common I swear

Obi1kenobi: You've quoted one man who made a highly controversial comment that was dismissed by several of his colleagues - including his own research lab and his research funders - and you proclaim it here repetitively as if it's a widely accepted scientific theory. Are you thick?

If you are an atheist....pls know that I am too. So better take away this foul cry you are forcing into your insultive words if you want me to take you serious.

Where are the evidence that his team mate ridiculed him? You are sounding like christian. No evidence...then you should shut the hell.

Obi1kenobi: What kind of evidence do you want? Pictures from 100,000 BC? You think the same humans roaming the earth now existed in the age of the dinosaurs? There are tons and tons of literature about evolution around. Educate yourself and quit exposing your ignorance about the subject.

There are lot of literatures on the existence of Adam and Eve. There are many evidence that state moses crossed the red sea. Does that make it fact? No evidence then you saying shite.

Obi1kenobi: You can educate us if you know any African philosophy in fields of science. As it is, the West is the current bedrock of science - so they naturally dominate. There's a reason all those scientists in your physics and chemistry books are products of Western culture. Instead of your aimless ramblings, educate us on these African philosophies so we can learn.

lol.....how can I educate someone that hardly know his history?

So you dont know African spirituality?

Obi1kenobi: More aimless rambling.

cry me a river.... Deal with my points or get lost.

Dp

thehomer: Most atheists mock spiritualism whether African or otherwise. Spiritualism isn't enough and it isn't universally known so you still need three examples. What exactly is spiritualism supposed to be?



I don't know these inventions so you're welcome to tell me what they are and provide your evidence for the five of them.

Air Conditioning Unit by Frederick M. Jones July 12, 1949 history told us that he has patent in the invention of refrigerator.

Stethoscope Imhotep Ancient Egypt
(circa 2980 B.C.)

Elevator by Alexander Miles October 11, 1867

Lewis Howard Latimer (1843-1928) A pioneer in the development of the electric light bulb

Rotary Electric Motor Frederick M. Jones June 27, 1939

Typewriter Burridge & Marshman April 7, 1885....... These people are Africans and slave descendant. Even if the eurocentric mentality the western world have programmed you.....you can never know.

The Dogon of Mali have complex and detailed knowledge of the Sirius star system. Detailed illustrations of the solar system were found in cave around egypt...this painting dating 5000 yrs before the european came.

Steel making among the Haya of Tanzania....Research done by Peter Schmidt and Donald Avery discovered that, ‘ 2,000 years ago Africans living on the western shore of Lake Victoria had produced carbon steel in pre-heated forced-draft furnaces, a method that was technologically more sophisticated that any developed in Europe until the mid-nineteenth century.

Ancient Egyptian system of mathematics, probably the most advanced system of mathematics in the world for their time.....Further, the trading nature of Africans required the existence of a numbering system. Evidence of the use of a numbering system in Africa was found on a bone 8000 yrs. old. The Yorubas have a mathematical system which would baffle most mathematicians. This is a system for computation and is very unique because it involves addition, subtraction and multiplication to express one number. It especially relies on subtraction to a very high degree.

The western historian wouldn't tell you that African navigate the world to far reaching china and the so called America....In navigation, Africans built many sophisticated vessels for traveling the Nile and Niger river. These vessels were used to carry out trade between the several empires: between the west coast and Lake Chad, between Mali and the Songhay empires, between Jenné and Timbuktu. The Chinese recorded Africans coming to the Court of China with elephants in such vessels in the thirteenth century. There is evidence that African navigational ingenuity brought them to the Americas before Columbus.

There were other African feats in agricultural science, writing systems, and of course, medical science. The Egyptian Imhotep is the first known medical doctor. African plant medicine involved a complex body of knowledge related to the diagnosis of diseases, anesthetics, antiseptics, and vaccination. African doctors were also well-versed in surgical procedures and techniques. The Bantu used the bark of a plant Salix Capensis to treat musculoskeletal pains. This family of plants yielded salicylic acid the active ingredient in aspirin. In Mali, an effective cure for diarrhea used kaolin, the active ingredient in Kaopectate. African doctors also pioneered the use of herbal treatments in the treatment of psychosis. Many of the herbs used contained tranquilizers. African medical practice have always emphasized holism as a philosophy. Western medicine only now attempting to adopt this philosophy.

More than 1000 inventions were carried on by Africans in the caribbean.....the US law didn't approved this inventions because they weren't recognised as works of human....so they give patent to some and others were covered us in history.

Pick up a book and read. Adams, Van Sertima, Ivan (ed). Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern......they have distorted your history. You are a colonial boy who have lost your identity and probably forget everything about your ancestry. Don’t get it twisted, most Africans on the continent don’t know much about African history. All they know is the twisted Eurocentric version. School in Africa is still Eurocentered. Our History had been “colonized”, twisted, and re-written. Wake up man.

thehomer: Most atheists mock spiritualism whether African or otherwise. Spiritualism isn't enough and it isn't universally known so you still need three examples. What exactly is spiritualism supposed to be?



I don't know these inventions so you're welcome to tell me what they are and provide your evidence for the five of them.

Air Conditioning Unit by Frederick M. Jones July 12, 1949 history told us that he has patent in the invention of refrigerator.

Stethoscope Imhotep Ancient Egypt
(circa 2980 B.C.)

Elevator by Alexander Miles October 11, 1867

Lewis Howard Latimer (1843-1928) A pioneer in the development of the electric light bulb

Rotary Electric Motor Frederick M. Jones June 27, 1939

Typewriter Burridge & Marshman April 7, 1885....... These people are Africans and slave descendant. Even if the eurocentric mentality the western world have programmed you.....you can never know.

The Dogon of Mali have complex and detailed knowledge of the Sirius star system. Detailed illustrations of the solar system were found in cave around egypt...this painting dating 5000 yrs before the european came.

Steel making among the Haya of Tanzania....Research done by Peter Schmidt and Donald Avery discovered that, ‘ 2,000 years ago Africans living on the western shore of Lake Victoria had produced carbon steel in pre-heated forced-draft furnaces, a method that was technologically more sophisticated that any developed in Europe until the mid-nineteenth century.

Ancient Egyptian system of mathematics, probably the most advanced system of mathematics in the world for their time.....Further, the trading nature of Africans required the existence of a numbering system. Evidence of the use of a numbering system in Africa was found on a bone 8000 yrs. old. The Yorubas have a mathematical system which would baffle most mathematicians. This is a system for computation and is very unique because it involves addition, subtraction and multiplication to express one number. It especially relies on subtraction to a very high degree.

The western historian wouldn't tell you that African navigate the world to far reaching china and the so called America....In navigation, Africans built many sophisticated vessels for traveling the Nile and Niger river. These vessels were used to carry out trade between the several empires: between the west coast and Lake Chad, between Mali and the Songhay empires, between Jenné and Timbuktu. The Chinese recorded Africans coming to the Court of China with elephants in such vessels in the thirteenth century. There is evidence that African navigational ingenuity brought them to the Americas before Columbus.

There were other African feats in agricultural science, writing systems, and of course, medical science. The Egyptian Imhotep is the first known medical doctor. African plant medicine involved a complex body of knowledge related to the diagnosis of diseases, anesthetics, antiseptics, and vaccination. African doctors were also well-versed in surgical procedures and techniques. The Bantu used the bark of a plant Salix Capensis to treat musculoskeletal pains. This family of plants yielded salicylic acid the active ingredient in aspirin. In Mali, an effective cure for diarrhea used kaolin, the active ingredient in Kaopectate. African doctors also pioneered the use of herbal treatments in the treatment of psychosis. Many of the herbs used contained tranquilizers. African medical practice have always emphasized holism as a philosophy. Western medicine only now attempting to adopt this philosophy.

More than 1000 inventions were carried on by Africans in the caribbean.....the US law didn't approved this inventions because they weren't recognised as works of human....so they give patent to some and others were covered us in history.

Pick up a book and read. Adams, Van Sertima, Ivan (ed). Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern......they have distorted your history. You are a colonial boy who have lost your identity and probably forget everything about your ancestry. Don’t get it twisted, most Africans on the continent don’t know much about African history. All they know is the twisted Eurocentric version. School in Africa is still Eurocentered. Our History had been “colonized”, twisted, and re-written. Wake up man.

thehomer: Mungo Park made some important discoveries there whether you like it or not. You really seem hung up on Mungo Park. How many Africans bothered to take the time to trace the complete route of the river and write about it?

so Yoruba people do not know odo Oya? This guy with colonial mentality. Chai

Thehomer....i will have to go. I have weak battery here so when I touch down. Would reply. Cheers

Evil Brain: James Watson is a senile old man who's racist views have been condemned by scientists the world over. Also, the vast majority of scientific evidence completely contradicts Watson's beliefs. The beautiful thing about science is that anybody can come out and say anything, but only hypotheses that are supported by evidence and survive experimental testing will the accepted by the scientific community.

The fact is that we are apes. Every single human being on this planet (including Dr. James Watson) is an African ape, the same taxonomic group that includes chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas. We are all apes in the same way we are all hominids, primates, mammals, vertebrates, chordates, animals and eukaryotes.

You are not a cyanobacteria or a jellyfish, or a gastropod, or an insect, or a reptile, or a spider monkey. You are an ape, one of the greater apes, specifically the African apes, a member of the hominid subfamily, the genus homo, and the species sapiens.

You don't even need to believe in evolution to prove this. Just compare your anatomy with those of all of those creatures, note the similarities and differences, and apply your common sense.

Please stop all this “evolution insults Africans" nonsense. There might be oyimbo racists reading this who want to prove that Africans are dumb. Stop giving them ammunition.

where is the condemnation article, video and magazine link? Dont just think I can accept cheap words.

'At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.' - charles Darwin

Tell me the quote from darwin is wrong. Show me he was condemned. Add some video or article link pls.

The quote is an insult on you buddy. I can bring more popular evolutionist quote that insult blacks

thehomer: Those oyibo people have helped you by putting it online for the atheists here to tell you. They've used their inventions of software and the Internet to help you but you just keep complaining.

Do you know this if not what wiki put there? And when they told you about river niger.....they said mungo park discovered it. How logical is this? He came and discovered what people have already known.

Obi1kenobi: That's how you know someone has nothing else to say. When his arguments are ripped apart and exposed and he just mindlessly regurgitates what he said before with no argument. It's not my fault you have inferiority complex issues with the white race and you think the solution to that is pretentions to African traditionalism. Trading one delusion for another delusion.

Add something here. Stop this insults.

thehomer: Can you give three examples of these already known theories from African traditions that are mocked and dismissed?

Spiritualism alone is enough.

List great five black scientifical inventions. And I will show you how badly your history have been distorted.

Let me hint you.....black African produces first electric motor. But the name was changed somewhere at a time. Lets see how you answer my quest first.

9jadelta: re read my post carefully...
it is universal (means everyone knows about it) ... but white man shed more light on it

same with evolution... it is universal, but white man shed more light on it. u can go to lab and watch organisms evolve.

scientific law is universal.. it doesnt matter who shed more light on it.

like folykaze said, mungo park didn't discover river Niger but mungo park made it known to all. same with newton, darwin etc

the laws have always been there...(they are part of nature) we cannot say the law is not acceptable simply because a white shed more light on it.

Thanks for following my point. If this battery won crash make him crash abeg.

I do wonder if non of Nigerian know this river before Mungo park came. So this white people are changing historical fact....bending it to suit themselves in every dimension. Just to prove we did nothing than grumbling and hunting..

They told us that River Niger was discovered when practically there is a name for that river in some tribes.

To prove that many people have been mis-informed, their history have been distorted and formally redirected to western world. I challenge any atheist here to tell us what River Niger is called before Mungo Park came. Our ancestors know this river and they called it a name. What is it?

God go punish devil. I love this discussion.....

Make I go charge this phone abeg. coming right back

Ajibam: misleading topic....
you should have said satan's signature on mark...

you missed the part where I said a corrupt tree only produces corrupt fruit. Other gospel writers copied the mark account. Extension of devil signs

Ajibam: inasmuch you deny Christ as your Lord and Saviour... you are a pagan!!
military atheist or spiritual or whatever....
Jesus loves you..
repent to him now

You are infidel in as much you deny Allah and do not accept prophet mohammad is his messenger. You shall gnash teeth in hell either as catholic, baptist, protestant or whatever.

You better bow down and worship Allah.

thehomer: My reaction would be to point out that the person too was an ape since we both belong to the same species. If the person disagrees, then they're welcome to pick the species to which they think they belong.

The person will pick human - Eniyan. You can be the Eranko.

Where is the evidence that was Ape?

And I dont get something here again..... Did they said humans are ape or human and ape are different species which evolved from common ancestors?

thehomer: I still don't know what you mean. Can you expatiate on what you believe?

Do you carefully read my first post on this thread? I translate what Ori is to english there. Go back and read it.

Ajibam: pagans on ravage!!!!

I'm a spiritual atheist not pagan.

thehomer: Who is this they? And how was this information obtained?

Dr James Watson said Africans are less intelligent. http://mightyminnow./2007/10/18/black-people-are-less-intelligent-says-dr-james-watson-nobel-prize-winner-and-dna-pioneer/

You can read another from wiki http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

thehomer: Okay. Here's the article.

Do you know what content is?

thehomer: Have you heard about the theory of gravity, theory of relativity and many many others? Lots of theories were formed in the West. It still doesn't make them incorrect.

How does these insulted African intelligence?

thehomer: See the link above.

I visited the link but it junk. A christian will tell you bible is the evidence of heaven. But you will refute that right? Give me evidence....you accepted something. Cant you say something about what you accept rather than directing me to wiki.

thehomer: It looks like an ape.

how do you know it look like ape?

thehomer: Well if you're a human, then you're also an ape whether you like it or not. Unless you think you're some other type of mammal. You can tell me the type of mammal you are if you don't think you're an ape.

dont make me start from chromosomes.

thehomer: What have I said so far that isn't factual?

Nothing....just going in circle like theist.

thehomer: What did they say about intelligence, evolution and race?

Your people are lesser intelligent than other race in the globe.

thehomer: I can send you to read articles on the evidence. Are you willing to read them?

Put it content here. Lets check through.

thehomer: Does there have to be some African thought or philosophy before I accept a scientific theory?

Is scientific theory not applying universally? Why are evolution works only by the west?

thehomer: Again, are you willing to educate yourself on the theory of evolution? Actually, all of us on earth today are about as equidistant from our common ancestor. You're merely displaying your ignorance of the theory. Since we're online, I can send you to articles showing the evidence.

put it here and lets reveal it.

Who is the common ancestors pls? What does it look like?

thehomer: Sorry but you've mixed correct information with wrong information. The theory of evolution doesn't say you have less intelligence than other races though you are an ape. Just as every other human on earth are apes. What I'm defending is that the theory of evolution is a scientific theory.

Sorry YOU are Ape. Eniyan ni mi. Wtf?

You aint defending anything. Come up with fact

thehomer: What do you mean by "if it was African"? It is accepted because it is a scientific theory not because it was proposed by a European.

Lets use this analogy. You were standing in line and the dude in your back called you an ape. You were called Ape because Evolution said it. Do you know anything about Ape-insult? You were a pretty big guy like 6' 10" and 257 lbs, but he called you ape and started laughing to some guy in back of him.

What would come to your mind and what would your reaction be?