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wiegraf: https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=nursery+schools+in+lagos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=53ywUs-aHc-ShQem74DwCA

Or do you want yoruba only schools?

Lol. You cant make anything from your head. Is there internet connection in your skull?

I am sick with this your stupidity and arrogance.

Shift to the other side..... I will deal with serious minds. Cheers lol

wiegraf: I'm flattered, but I don't think obsessing over me (across how many threads now?) is healthy. No is no, deal with it. I also happen to have a pipi and do not enjoy sausage fests, so all that talk earlier about your wanting me to be 'a man' and address you is misplaced. I'm NOT interested, don't let my sig deceive you. I reserve that space for the most foo.lish thing I read on NL, and for months now I'm yet to come across anything sillier (it's now a record, usually they last a month or two tops)

But do note, even if I were interested it would be impossible. As I've already stated, your conscious rock would do better with any information I threw its way. For instance, while it wouldn't have the tools necessary to note that I highlighted the word 'plant' and analyze that to realize when the word 'something' is used in the definition of 'nourishment' it refers to lifeforms like 'plants', bacteria, heck, even other complex animal life, it wouldn't jump to a foo.lish conclusion. Or would you call one of the maggots in your brain 'someone'?

A rock wouldn't display the stoopidity of not noting that I did point how the word could be used to connote what you wanted, but it's not really appropriate there. Again, because it usually isn't used in that context, it is associated with living beings. To top that you used that word there on purpose; you wanted to convey some sort of biological implications. Therefore you're even being disingenuous when you try to imply otherwise. Or are you not the same person who thinks rocks and electricity are conscious?

That post wasn't even a serious answer to your folly. I was only pointing where you may have had the miniscule glimmer of a point. Let's not even get into Monday to Saturday whargarrbl nonsense etc you posted there....

Therefore, genuinely, I will have more success with your conscious rock. It, at least, would not jump to asinine conclusions as is your wont, through your history on NL.

Ah, I just wasted more time.... That's as much time as I can spare for folly. Make your way to one of these if you need more lessons in logic

stop running around with rants and sites for help. I dont need this noise.

Lets conclude on nourishment and living being. Show me how tv set is a living being. Show me how my hair is a living thing. Yet these things are nourished with something.

This is what I called you for. Not a silly rant and foul cry.

Mr Troll: I largely agree with you but lemme address the bolded. you see, I happen to know some things about herbal medicine but I have no knowledge of incantations and rituals and 'some arts'. let me give you an example, the drug Quinine is actually gotten from the bark of the cinchona tree. this bark has been used over the centuries by native doctors for treating malaria without them actually knowing the actual component of the bark that does it. then came science who now studied the plant bark and proceeded to isolate and purify Quinine from it. i'm sure that while the native doctors were using the raw bark, some incantations and rituals would certainly have accompanied such treatments but the reality is that those incantations and extracurricular rituals were...bullshit. what was curing them was quinine, simple. not the incantations, rituals or some arts. I can excuse the ignorant native doctors but in this day and age, you cannot in good faith tell me that there is an actual benefit to say, sprinkling goat blood on iron in order to invoke the efficacy of ogun.

Doctor Troll don come again o. Is there anything like Quinne in the mixture of lime water and garri? That is what I use for treating malaria. And it work fine for me.

Rituals is not necessarily sacrificing to Ogun. It could work like burning incense. And I once said that is closely related to aromatherapy.

Incision is bullshite too? They burn same herbs and apply it through skin.

Incantation is neurolinguistic programming. Sound can make baby sleep. I know kinda of music I play when she is around....and when I want that thing.

Some arts in this sense I mean like bathing patient with some substances. Child with Measles bathing with palmwine. Sitting patient direct to the sun and others. Squeezing of some leafs and placing it on maybe forehead for treating headache.

These things are working fine....I agree they cant give logical explanation or scientifical analysis but instead of calling it superstition or ridiculing it.....we should have scholar research in it.

Mr Troll: @red, that is called Mysteriousneeesssseeessss! i'm gonna call bullshit on that.

And from the spiritual side, I will laugh at you.

Mr Troll: no. I expect you, folykaze to have some form of healthy skepticism.

I'm optimistic in everything. That is why I delve into it gently even without knowing much about science.

Mr Troll: I don't understand this question.

You said this

Mr Troll: what I will term superstition for example is when you start saying that there is a spirit of sleepiness in the rag that is making the goat docile and then start making sacrifices to the spirit in order to increase or manipulate its efficacy.

Science do speculation, proposition, conjecture, inference and hypothesis of an event or phenomena which are not likely to be the real fact. Let me use 'educated guess' to provide answer when it not really is. We should dismiss every educated guess be it hypothesis, speculations and proposition, conjecture and inference right?

Mr Troll: like what?

high tech weapons that can escalate extinction of life on the whole planet.

Mr Troll: it seems you are not seeing the problem this type of definition poses. can energy and natural force be manipulated by killing an animal and sprinkling its blood on its representative idol?

No logical explanation yet for that. And instead of discrediting it, you research. Whatever the outcome is, you good to go with.

oyelude f: you did not make any sense at all.the holy bible remains d inspired word of GOD, JESUS REMAINS LORD

which of the bible? Coptic bible, ethiopian orthodox bible, jerusalem bible, catholic bible and protestant bible.

The above bibles got different number of books.

And the God might be crazy for inspiring confusing junks

thorpido: I'll leave you in your ignorance.
Jesus is the same as Yeshua as Joshua. You want to tell me Joshua is also invented?

The Simon of Peraea you speak about was a slave who rebelled and destroyed the Roman structures.Who did he redeem?
He was eventually killed.If you do your research properly,you will see that it was said in the Scripts that he will rise the third day.Did your Simon of Peraea rise the third day?

There were many anointed ones.Kings and prophets were anointed but there was a prophecy concerning 'THE' Anointed One.None was ever referred to as The Anointed one.Only Yeshua(Jesus) met that criterion.

I understand where you are coming from........but the Light shall light upon your heart!

A = B, B = C and therefore C would be equal to A.

Jesus was Joshua. Good bend. Joshua was not a messiah. Epic fail

aManFromMars: Honestly, I do not know. I think I lose interest quickly. Anyways, we've always maintained that there is nothing wrong with embracing your tradition and culture. But In Ifa, people take these beings to be real. Just like in Odinani, Ekwensu was a god that could be asked for favour during wars and in times of conflict.

But the moment you take those beings to be real, existent and conscious, my brother, you can't be called an atheist. Except atheism is disbelief in Abrahamic gods.

Truth. Ifa entails philosophy, logic, psychology, psychology medicine, spirituality, reasoning religion, history, culture, laws and morals. It truth that some see Ifa entities as beings but the educated priest and adherent I meant see entities therein as energies. That was why I told you on 'Atheism and Spirituality coexistence thread that I know this energies....when I know, there is no need for belief.

Good to have you around for this discussion. And thanks....you make me think far beyond than I expected. Cheers man

macof: I see u were jerking off when browsing about Lord Sango

keep jerking off

Smackdown. #Koo

macof: Nofaith ur article has too much contradictions

1. Sango was 4th king of Oyo and also 3rd king
2. Osun was Sango's wife and Concubine
3. Oya was Sango's 3rd wife and 2nd wife
4. Osun was the only female at creation yet life sprang forth from Yemoja

^^^^ I cant believe this nuisance brought these contradictory epistles here.

macof: Imagine
Yoruba spirituality has "hell" for the wicked
Olodumare, Esu and Orunmila are a trinity
Osun was the only female present at creation- where was Yemoja her mother
Ogun fought in a Nigerian war
Sango started his campaign as a mortal like u and I

Nofaith I hail o

Funny thing is he isn't reading from a Babalawo.

the articles doesn't explain Yoruba spirituality, it just gives the surface view.
And many points are wrong

^^^definately nnofaith got animal brain...nope that is an insult to the animal kingdom. Even a fish can not reason like nnofaith. Airhead good for him.


My advice for nnofaith.

Being ignorant is not a crime because nobody knows all. Being proud of ignorance is stupidity. Being frontier with airhead is foolishness. You came on this thread and foam with pride that everything would be nonsensical. We never knew you and wiegraf were the bird that lay nonsensical eggs. You brought up fantasies and lies to appear relevant. You were a muslim and Ifa adherent....wtf and some people were liking your gilberish? Anyway, you got the luck that you didn't step ahead on your deceit claim.... I would have fire rocket you like Kaze did in world war 2. Unfortunately though....you fell for the second trap. The barrel will shot at the bird cant bring it down....how much more a single grain of rice brought it down without stress. What is wrong saying I cant define and I dont know? Learn from logicboy....he is always on defence and know how to attack considering conquering or defeating. You have embarrassed yourself buddy...if I were you, I will go and hang myself.

Cheers

Cold don stop Wiegraf from swimming along. He only stress his neck and peep the thread. folyKAZE says sorry....but we are not yet in the middle of the ocean where temperature is below zero....

Logicboy03: Lol.

Peter...we both know what the end is after the cock crows

aManFromMars: Someone accepts this and yet claims to be an atheist. Amazing times we live in.

I am noticing something about you. You haven't once face a discussion directly than pull derail, sarcasm and escape when knocked down. Why this pls?

I had a Jewish friend on fb who told me he attended temple and kept the Jewish holidays, but told me that he didn't really believe in God. He wasn't willing to give up his culture or his heritage or judaism, but he just couldn't bring himself to believe in Yahweh. He raised his kids in Judaism and was proud of them. He is a jewish atheist.

Is judaism and atheism compatible?

No running around pls. Answer this.

Mr Troll: really?



superstition


/ˌsuːpəˈstɪʃ(ə)n,ˌsjuː-/


noun

1.
excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural.

"he dismissed the ghost stories as mere superstition"


synonyms: unfounded belief, credulity;
"medicine was riddled with superstition and ignorance"
a widely held but irrational belief in supernatural influences, especially as leading to good or bad luck, or a practice based on such a belief.

Bad knockdown. Goot goot

To the far length I agree with the content above, I see the medicine part as distortion.

- local medicine works fine. Pls do you understand that does not stop at herbal medicine but extended to incantation, incision, rituals and some arts. Anyway you said it works fine and I agree with you.

- The superstitious riddled with the medicine as you claimed is what I wont agree on. Note spirituality is not science. Both are on the opposite side of a coin. Spirituality is search for the unknown, enquiry for full understanding of oneself and environ through the connectedness with nature or world around you. Information deduced are what that gave birth to philosophy. So am going to say philosophy is the intermediary between spirituality and science. The content of science is now usually taken to include ordered, formulated, objectivity verifiable knowledge; and to exclude the 'hearsay' knowledge of tradition, or subjective knowledge deriving from visionary experience, intuition, instinct and the like. Speculation about ultimate reality and general causes and principles, unless it can be referred, however indirectly back to experiment tends to be classed as spirituality. So riddle you called superstitions are spiritual explanations....which is different entirely from science. Cars seem not to move fast when you are in it. Looking at spiritual explanation from science perspective will appear like rubbish. Change the pole...you are good to go.

- Ignorance. Why are you like this? Do you expect the old man in the village to list twenty elements?

Mr Troll: you are missing the point. what I will term superstition for example is when you start saying that there is a spirit of sleepiness in the rag that is making the goat docile and then start making sacrifices to the spirit in order to increase or manipulate its efficacy.

Should this applies with speculations, proportions and hypothesis?

Mr Troll: we are saying the same thing, except that not all things claimed as supernatural should be taken seriously.

It not everything science provided us that should be taken serious.

Mr Troll: do this also. try to separate fact from fable. a plant cures stomach ache, true but surely you can dismiss a babalawo who says that pikiwoki, the spirit of healing dwells in that plant.

spirit is energy and natural force. Then they are rights.

Joshthefirst: sorry for butting in, I wanna ask some question:
Is olorun the supreme God in the yoruba traditionalist system?
What are his(its) characteristics?

Olorun is best translated as God. When broken down, the word is Olo-Orun – Olo means “owner” while Orun means “zenith”. It a title used to describe Eledumare and it nobody's name.

thorpido: Your opinion!
It doesn't change the Christ.

Ignorance is a deadly disease. Christ mean 'the anointed one' which is best translate as the messiah. Simon of Peraea was a messiah before the mythical Jesus was invented.

davuvid: God is still God....Jesus is still saviour notwithstanding.

God is not mocked, watsoever you sow you shall reap

So bible is God? Mtchewwww

acenazt: forget satanic. the bible on its own is nothing more than a book of inauthentic fake stories written to fit the agenda of the Roman emperor constantine. only the old testament can be regarded as holy cos it goes with the Qur'an .

The quran itself attest that it contain fairy tales. Quran is best known as Shite recycle

Shadbay: OP, sorry!

Sorry for yourself

thorpido: God for you with your discovery.

Jesus is Lord.

Jesus is a hail to almighty Zeus. There is no man that bears that name. Jesus in Latin-greek is Iesous which mean Hail Zeus.

Thanks for praising almighty Zeus

Finally....the weed grew and covers vegetable completely.

Corruption taking another dimension.

Orji o orji: APC are doomed desparate for 2015 . the holy book says gardered they will surely gader and so shall they scater becouse their gadering is nt of the lord.(

Keep bible out of politics. Your mediocrity is alarming pls

Reyginus: Lololol. I expected people like you to debunk the traditionalists.

He is scared of tradition. He said it severally that he is scared. Imagine his typed called Osanyin 'doll' but was challenged to go and converse with the doll but said he was scared. Which kind human being doll dey scare?

Logicboy is Peter incarnate. Lol

The gospel of Mark is the oldest and the shortest among other gospels. It has 666 verses when counted from chapter 1 verse 1 to chapter 16 verse 8. Most Bibles show 678 verses for Mark, not 666, but many Biblical scholars agreed the last 12 verses came later from interpolation. The earliest manuscripts and other ancient sources do not have Mark 16: 9-20. Moreover the text style does not match and the transition between verse 8 and 9 appears awkward. Even some of today's Bibles such as the NIV exclude the last 12 verses.

Adding, Gospel of Mark is the oldest and scholars agreed that other gospels (matthew, luke and john) were copied from it. The bible said when the tree is corrupt, the fruit can be nowhere than corruption. Other gospels were rooted on satanic work....the whole gospel is satanic.

666 is the symbol of satan....even christians were mind programmed by their pastors to be scared of the figure. The two parallel line on the gospels are fraud and satanic

*what christians are carrying as holy bible is damn satanic. Lucifer rules here.

Logicboy03: Shut up


You want to flame the fire so that more nonsense arguments would come. Sango my foot....

Zombie is coming for your head. Lol


Peter Peter Peter.....dont let me call mary margelene and Judas on you.

The thread is for Sango and a mad man is bringing up Egungun. You have embarrassed the real atheist on this forum. From the beginning of this thread, you didn't add anything tangible than foolish rant.

You were asked to define Nourishment and you ran to wiki and copied Consciousness definition. Who asked you that?

From Sango now to Egungun. Chai.

And na person born you? Reginus...abeg abeg there is a yaba left client here.

^^^^ is this for real?

You were asked to define nourishment not consciousness.

You even cant define consciousness but ran to wiki and copied this trash. How is nourishment now consciousness? I dont know am dealing with a obfuscating nitwit and unrepentant goof.

I am done with you. Enjoy your foolishness

[quote author=wiegraf][/quote]Why are you running from folykaze animalistic humane wiegraf?

You can survive the cold. But I mean to take you to the middle of the sea where you will freeze. Come along by replying my rebuttal post.

nnofaith: I hope you guys remembered to give sango his vitamins yesterday?! follycraze and macjerkoff

you were asked to define nourishment. Do that fool.

^^^^ Oga troll. I edited the content pls. Check it again

Mr Troll: its simple really.
just call it ignorant superstition by those men. it doesn't mean you are disrespecting your ancestry. it is what it is. they didn't know how some things worked so they made up supernatural explanations for them and proceeded to 'appease' the gods of whatever it is they couldn't explain in other to get favourable outcomes.

you don't have to try to rationalize everything they did. some are just ignorant superstitions. shikena!

This is not making any sense.

- they aint making superstitions. Personification of a phenomena to explain something to the best way you can is not superstition. We have educated children to build and reconstruct this theories. Not for a mockery point.

- they know things work but cant give explanation for it. Medicine is a good example. They pluck leaves for healing an ailment. It work fine but the old man in the village cant explain how it works. Intelligence evolve.....we here are regressing intelligence by mocking it instead of developing it from where they stopped. Let me give you example of what I discovered but cant explain till date. Wrap rags (osuka) like ones used for lifting load. Catch a goat and make it sleep on the floor. Then place the wrapped rag on it face covering it eye and ear. Lol. The goat go sleep be that. He no go shake not to talk of stand on it feet even till after hours. I did thing like this for fun and it work. But can I explain it? Nope. What if I can devise it for capturing wild animal......and I still dont have explanation for it, will you call it superstition? If this and what local medicine is superstition, then go figure for yourself.

- Supernatural is a term used to describe a phenomenon which are unexplanable yet and which are attributed to Spirits or Gods. Have I not explained that spirits and Gods are personified energies? I even said somewhere that when there are explanations for a supernatural event, it becomes norms and add up to knowledge. Isaac Newton made most of his theories from occultism. We are tired of insulting, mocking and bashing. Do the needful....you cant expect an illiterate in the village or person like me that hardly know the 20 elements and common physics law to make up a model from the ancient science.

- Truth. We need to separate dogmatism from the plain fact. We need to unveil the naturalistic illustrations and deep philosophies embedded in spiritualism. Carl Sagan said science is the profound source of spirituality. We go in their and bring sense....not that we pack all as nonsense. Buddhism have superstitions but Sam Harris still embrace it. Hinduism in practically pantheism but Darwin sexed it up with his atheism. They do this by separating fable from fact.


Goodnight

Kolo mentality.

Mr Troll: I think i'm gonna call a time out on bullshit. Time out!!!

Folykaze stated that he cant provide whole logical explanation on the subject.

Good for ya though.

Mr Troll: magic is skillful trickery.

there's nothing like real witchcraft. just some magic mixed with superstition and enough fear mongering.

Yes sir.

macof: Yes Everything is conscious. Anything that can react and change is conscious- Everything can react and change.

It's nt folly, it's so obvious NL atheist are not "free-thinkers". Most of you disbelieve everything without giving it a chance of trial or a thorough research.

For instance Wiegraf has never heard that Matter is conscious that is why he didn't believe when Folykaze said Rocks are conscious. He never bothered to think over it, he simply dismissed it like Atheist dismiss anything they haven't heard before.
And by "heard" I mean heard from an established scientist.

"If modern science hasn't proven it, then it's illogical and lame"
^^^That's the Motto

I haven't seen major so called atheist like LB, wiegraf, RM make any scientific theory with proof, I haven't seen any of you talk about Atomic structures and Energy. I haven't seen any NL atheist make a philosophy on certain spheres of life.

You all wait for western scientist to tell u wat is logical before u know wat is logical

Guy you dey vex o.

Mr Troll: what ifa said? pls explain more...

Much like when one goes to see a modern medical doctor, going to the Babalawo starts off with something much like diagnosis right? The doctor will bring out his instruments and check you up. Information gotten from this equipments are what the doctor would interpret and detail you about your body system.

When the doctor physically check you out with instruments such as stethoscope, thermometer, etc. the Babalawo will consult the Ifa on your behalf. Babalawo will places it either on your arm or your forehead and ask Ifa what the energies in your situation are. Even if you do not reveal any symptoms or say details to the Babalawo, they will consult Ifa and Ifa will reveal all. The Babalawo must interpret the divination and they will most usually do so with the use of Ese.

There is this nurse I live with when I was young. She had a digital medical check kit that look pen. I have forgotten it name. When I read info stated on this kit by checking myself, it meaniless to me but it contain some informations which the nurse know and understand. So the Nurse said what the kit stated. Hope you understand?

Mr Troll: for example, if you say all these are just abstract energies what then does killing a goat do for the 'energies'? pls don't tell me it is humans that eat it. we know that already...my question is, why kill a goat for, say, gravity/thunder/lightning? is there a non-mumbo jumbo explanation as to how sacrificing anything to an abstract energy is useful?

Note something Mr. English terms does not convey the whole picture of an expression sometimes. That is why I prefer conception than vocabularies.

Ebo in Yoruba = Nourishment in English.

When you nourish energies, it is not in the same sense when we grind food with our teeths and roll it with our tongue.

And again, understand that my explanation on sacrifices wont give the whole picture as I personally do not understand the whole logic around it.

Metaphysically speaking, within the universe we are all connected to each other on earth. We are all connected by energy - we are made up of millions of tiny molecules and so is everything else.

Sacrifice actively recharge an Orisa’s cosmic ase-battery. Sacrificing an animal nourishes the spirits (with blood) and the community (with meat) thereby indexing the powerful link between humanity and the Orisa as they are both nourished by a single ritual process. What sacrifice does is nourish the Orisa’s ase that is intrinsic to their existence which then gives the ase inherent in Orisa pots more efficacy, power, and presence.

Quantum physics is showing that everything in the universe is energy and electrical currents. Who knows if the content in the blood can devise and manipulate this energies? Lets take for example.... Sacrificing a blood to Ogun. Ogun is Iron. What you pour the blood on and the blood itself contain iron in different degrees and charges. Who knows when the two contact, it lead to cosmic ether? The possible way that it works, from a scientific and quantum mechanic standpoint, is that the sacrifice, emits electromagnetic wavelengths. Everything in the universe works on waves, from physical objects, to electricity, to ideas.

Given enough patience and focus, our electromagnetic "brain waves", if you will, can be subconsciously manipulated to alter the way we interact with the universe.

Mr Troll: @bold, bros this is no way magical or spiritual or anything. there are solvents you can rub on your body etc anyway, that is beside the point...

Magic is an art which does not have detailed explanation yet.

Real Witchcraft is a spiritual art rooted in nature & psychology, not hocus-pocus like fiction.

I didn't claim the person burning with fire is doing magic. I even said the stunt could be trick. So understand me pls