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Thehomer, we are not progressing and I cant continue on this discussion without a good ground. Man gotta do some things than going in circle.

- Racial Intelligence and Evolution is an insult to niggas. Dr James separate, Charles Darwin have his evolutionary racial say. Lot and lot many evolutionist got this racial say.....you were going in circle on a single shot without providing a renounce against racial discrimination. Do I have to jump from mt everest before you do?

- I have shown you Black African inventions. I dont know how stethoscope is an improvement. I dont know how typewritter is not an invention. You only want to deny what belongs to your race. We know colonial mentality effect. I have given you evidence of mathematics in ancient African and there Astrological findings.....Africans knew this thousand of years before modern space travel got into place. Yet you want to deny it.

- na evolution we dey go on circle on since. You called us Ape but cant give reason than nonsensical links. I dont know when content becomes a link..... Give us factual evidence and not link...you are refering me to a museum where only a single teeth was found and other frame were constructed. Is that what you called factual evidence?

I tire abeg..... Cheers

Lets start prophetic work in this nation. The Lord is with you bro

Back in those days in secondary school. We were told that Mungo Park discovered River Niger. Also Oral tradition have it that Yoruba people have knowledge about this River. The Yoruba people call it Odo Oya though I dont know what other tribe call it.

I have always criticized this colonial name. How could people have zero knowledge about this spot. The credit to this place was given to a colonian man who did nothing without the help of people around. Africa should rise again and struggle for this freedom. We and our children needs to be freed from this eurocentric oppression.

India made a great move pushing English language at the bay. Yes they were colonized but put themselves first. That is why Hindi is the official language before holding English. But what do we got today in our societies. My language is highly discriminated as a vernacular on my own soil. We were stopped from speaking our mother tongue. And here they gave us a foreign language.

Fela said it in his Song titled 'Teacher Teacher Dont Teach Me Nonsense'. The song speak of cultural identity which we have losted as a nation. Go to other countries in the world, their culture is their priority. They set a standard on how to life in relation with their ancestral tradition. But what do we got in Nigeria and other African societies, we neglect what belong to us and wore the thing of another man.

Take it from the song titled 'why black man dey suffer' by fela. It is said in this song that black man suffer because we took what doesn't belong to us. Our culture is now extinct and we took the culture which isn't ours and we didn't understand. With this our children forgets their cultural heritage and identity......

Africa must rise against every form of oppression. Thanks and kudos to president Mugabe.

thehomer: You really love making stuff up. What did the Dogon of Mali say about the Andromeda galaxy colliding with the Milky Way galaxy? Lots of civilizations charted the sun and cycles. Making stuff up doesn't make you seem intelligent, it makes you desperate and dull.

Have you study the details and it explanation before asking this illogical question?

Folykaze : there is a boy in the room

thenomer : is the boy having blue eye and white teeth?

Folykaze : dont be stup.id, be well informed before proceeding on questions.


Mr man, get this information yourself. I dont have if it entails life on Mars. The best I know is that they got this information with unclad eye and it accurate as analysed in the book. Why cant you go figure if it is or not?

thehomer: You're an embarrassment to humanity as a whole. Where did we get it wrong humanity? Ignorance is killing FOLYKAZE.

colonial boy....who think nothing good come out of Africa. We know your job....good seeing you in it.

thehomer: I said Africans didn't discover the laws of gravity. It is simply admitting a fact. If you think Africans did, then please tell me who did it and what the equations they used was.

Stop moving away from evolution and Racial intelligence.

thehomer: You must have injected some methanol into your brain. Spiritualism is vague pablum. If you can pin it down, I'll show you why I mock it.

You knew this and went ahead saying atheists mock it. You have told us which spiritualism concept atheist mock before rounding up.

thehomer: Words of an ignoramus. Did the Yoruba people know the origin and destination of the river?

Yes. That is why they gave it a name.

thehomer: And I don't expect anything different from you since you've chosen the path of ignorance in your quest to be a black supremacist. If facts look to you like insults, maybe the problem is with your own thinking.

Where did I say black is superior? Liar.

What fact are you refering to? That your ancestors had monkey brain?

thehomer: Keep grooving. Just don't die of AIDS thinking it is a conspiracy by those white men. What you're exhibiting is your form of kolo mentality only as a black supremacist.

Come up with something better next time.

thehomer: No we're not bacteria. No, they share common ancestry with bacteria. If it would make you happy, go ahead.

The contradiction here alone make me sick.

We are not bacterias. We shared same ancentry with bacteria.

But you cant see the difference between an upright man and an Ape in the forest. Good good.

What is this common ancestors between us and bacteria? Give me a name and not running around here with links abeg.

thehomer: Because apes didn't go extinct. Where exactly is your question going?

Why are we not having evolved Apes? The civilized ones.

thehomer: Here's one article out of many. I didn't say he renounced his claim, I said he isn't a professional psychologist and actual psychologists don't share his opinion.

1. The link is blank from here.

2. Dr james is not a psychologist....he work on genetics. And what he said was grounded on DNA study...not brain as he claimed.

thehomer: Actually, there is no universal IQ test, that is what the article shows and that is what psychologists will tell you.

How about DNA test?

thehomer: Actually, IQ tests aren't universal. There are different IQ tests out there.

Those that didn't agree should go ahead and prove him wrong with strong rebuttal. Words are cheap.

thehomer: What public renouncing are you talking about?

DNA experts which are in the same field with him renouncing James with factual evidence from experiment carried out. Words are cheap.

thehomer: So you're implicitly accepting that directing you to a book means that I'm hiding something from you? Talk about stereotyping. The content is at the link. I read links you posted so why do you find it difficult to read links I posted? Just read it.

You saw how I listed the invention contents as asked. You asked for five and I gave five from ancient and modern each. Later added a book as reference......

If I had told you to start reading book or wait till you buy one.....we wont end this.

Give me same measure. You know these things and should be able to speak on it. So refering me to a link without highlighting it content here is ignoramus escapism.

thehomer: The theory of evolution is just a fact. Just as the theory of general relativity is a fact. It doesn't insult anyone. You're the one drawing confused conclusions. All humans are apes. Low intelligence isn't a part of the theory of evolution. If you had read the link, it would have reduced your confusion.

Fact because it documented. Not because it have factual evidence. Good good.

thehomer: Scientific theories are very different from old myths gathered in a book so your comparison fails.

Lol. So you called it old myth? Evolution is darwin proported lies. Where are the physical evidence?

thehomer: Meaning we are apes.

You are confusing yourself with this waves.

Did we evolved from Ape or we shared common ancestors? Answere without any diverting.

thehomer: No, apes have a range of numbers of chromosomes. I hope you know that there are some humans that have more than 46 chromosomes.

Nope I do not.

Add the informations on this chromosome is same as that of Ape in the forest? Why are they not civilized like us?

thehomer: Everything I've said so far. If you think anything I've said isn't factual, then show me the one that isn't.

you are rumbling in a circle.

thehomer: You've listed a couple of black inventors. Kudos to them for their work. But so far, you've not made your point. How has history now been distorted? The fact that I don't know some inventors doesn't mean history has been distorted. Besides, those inventions were improvement on things that already existed like the elevator, refrigeration etc.

There are hundreds of inventions by Africans which do you receive patent at a basic time because US law then didn't regard them as human. So many works were adopted by the white masters and credit were given to the wrong person. Telephone is a good example.

You left typewritter and stethoscope and clinged on the improvement on refrigerator and elevator. Black man have been programmed to dismiss things that root out of his land and people. They only see it as junk.

thehomer: Secondly, why is it the case that these inventors didn't make their inventions in sub-Saharan Africa?

The first CS operation was carried out in Africa. You didn't see the invention in Egypt right?

thehomer: Yeah. Did the illustration tell you that Saturn had rings?

Apparately, they didn't call it Saturn. So get some books and read more detail about it or consult egyptologist. The fact is they detailed the solar system thousand of years before modern science.

thehomer: And what is your conclusion? Secondly, why is it that it was two people with white sounding names that made this "discovery"? Is it really a discovery according to you?

The two AA did the dating. Credit of the metallurgical work there were credited to the people not the two AA.

thehomer: This needs some evidence to back it up. The evidence I've seen tells me that those Greeks were pretty good in mathematics and philosophy too.

The Papyrus of Mosow show many calculations of various volumes, areas and surfaces with theories.
The Ancient Egyptians has a working value of pi (π) as 4X(8/9)2= 3.1604, the most accurate of ancient time before Archimedes. The so-called Pythagorean Theorem is an Egyptian mathematical concept. Read this link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_mathematics.

Meet any Yoruba guy and asked me to mention this figures in yoruba. You would find critical division, multiplication, addition and substration.

45 = (20X3) - 10 - 5
106 = (20X6) - 10 - 4
525 = (200X3) - (20X4) + 5

Ifa have a complex binary coding corpus which is more related to modern computer. Do your research. I have hinted you.

thehomer: Evidence is what you need to support your claims here not just stories told around a camp fire.

Black man know yourself. Read pls http://m.topix.com/forum/afam/TLBII6Q8QLK4FRNQT

thehomer: Why did their development stop?

Because sorryass like you wont see something good out of Africa. You want already name from your masters....so when we have one, you standardize it with them and always make sure it not superb what they got.

thehomer: African medical practice also has a huge component of superstition.

They gave you toothpaste and brush but your ancestors discovered chewing stick which is biochemically better than toothpaste. This is simple medical work. All you got is flaw....chinese are modernizing there world. Enjoy your inferiority and flawly backwardness.

thehomer: So far, you've provided some useful information and lots of mere assertions. Calling me names like "colonial boy" and declaring that I've lost my identity still doesn't mean that what you've said is correct. You need to actually show that it is correct with some evidence to back you up. Have you asked yourself why Africans don't know much about African history? Rather than blame the Europeans who actually took the time to study the region, why don't you pick up a pen and gather an expedition to look into these things? You're not a "colonial boy" so what has stopped you for so long?

I gave you a book. Visit a store and buy one or get it from Amazon.

You have my contents....

thehomer: Giving a river a name doesn't mean you know its origin or its destination.

I repeat.....you are nothing but a colonial boy.

How could you give a name to something you dont know?

A typical case of River Niger is Victoria fall in Zimbabwe which move have stand to be changed to Mosi-Oa-Tunya fall. That is what indigenous people called the fall before David Livingstone came there.

http://www.theafricareport.com/Southern-Africa/zimbabwe-to-rename-victoria-falls-in-anti-colonial-name-bid.html?utm_campaign=the-africa-report-editors-picks-of-datemdy&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newslet . The government is making move to reverse all colonial identities because this would give them real human status.

River Nigeria is called Odo Oya and Oral tradition stipulated that People navigated this river and know it Origin. Have you ever heard the briefing on Sango and his four wives? The whole story is there pointing to origin. Go and study your history abeg.

Mr Troll: Frankly, I don't even know where Folykaze is basing his arguments on. It seems he has this idea that if some racist scientist makes a spurious conjecture from the theory of evolution therefore the theory is false and every NL atheist that accepts the theory is a white man slave and follow follow. It only goes to show his willful ignorance and his desperate bid to appear as a black supremacist.

Black man cry. Lol.

You missed it completely.

You have seen where i based this talk when thenomer said Africans do not know anything about river niger not until park came.

Evolution is an insult on blacks. Even Darwin said some insultive words cunning it out of evolution theory.

Do you know what Ape-insult is?


And the whole conclusion you got there is wrong.

Where did I say evolution is wrong? If you want me to accept it, give me tangible evidence and not theories.

Why did you disbelief in Yahweh.....no evidence right?

So you want me to accept evolution without physical and tangible evidence......if you have believed in Jesus base on the theological account, I would have believe in evolution base on the written theories.

Racism apart.....give me evidence and I back off.

gothrones: You are looking at it the wrong way. People who are born here typically act different. It doesn't matter what your culture or ancestry is, most Americans tend to act like Americans. Almost everyone born here do not speak the language of their parents, if their parents are foreign-born. Even if they do, by the second generation, it is all lost. I am speaking from experience. It is easy to preserve religion, but culture tends to die in America, and everyone is merged into the dominant culture.

A true Nigerian is one who is raised in Nigeria. That may sound harsh, but if you weren't raised or lived for a long time in Nigeria, you cannot understand the culture.


As for Sagan, even though his parents were Jewish, we don't know much about his faith. Most American Jews are non-practicing Jews. What is the point of calling myself a Nigerian if I cannot speak any Nigerian language; if I don't prostrate when I see my parents or elder ones; if the fear of God does not enter me when my father calls my name or when my mother calls my full name; if I don't eat any Nigerian food etc. There are tons of children born to Nigerian parents in USA and they are Nigerians in name only. I intend to marry a Nigerian woman and have my children sent to Nigeria for secondary education. My culture will not die here.

Good good. Am driving at a point which you have helped to ascertain. Lifestyle is not ancestry.

Carl Sagan said according to wiki that he is a jew. Believe got nothing to do here because most jew are atheist from what I know.

Cock don dey crow. Ma close my eye for some min abeg. Night man

gothrones: If you are Jewish and you are born in Israel, then you are an Israeli Jew. As for our Igbo brothers and sisters who call themselves Jews, I will hold my tongue. I don't know how someone will wake up one day and start to claim to be Jews.

lol

Sorry buddy.

Israeli Jew is not by giving birth to a child in Israel. Jew is an ethnoreligion circle which have to do with ancestry lineage with Abraham. You can be a jew if you have a jewish parent.

Carl sagan have jewish parents.

gothrones: I will always be a Nigerian. I speak like a Nigerian. My Yoruba is still solid. Technically, I am a Nigerian-American, but in reality, I am 100% Nigerian. Mi ole fi owo osi juwe ile baba temi.

Omo Oduduwa. O je ki n ka we mi loru ni. Kin tun sun sha....je ki n bere ibere yi.

If your child is born in America, does that change him from being Omo Oduduwa to Washington's heir?

gothrones: No need to insult me. You said Israeli Jews are not blacks. Then I gave an example of black Israeli Jews, Ethiopian Jews. I meant Ethiopian Jews born in Israel. For example, this guy in the Israeli army is a black Israeli Jew:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Falasha_makstyle.jpg

In other word, Igbo Jew are Israeli Jew. You funny dude.

gothrones: Yes I do know, because I am a naturalized American citizen. A naturalized American citizen is one who obtains and takes an oath of citizenship. Since Sagan was born in the USA he is a natural-born citizen, not a naturalized citizen.

Further more, since I am a naturalized citizen, I cannot become the President of the USA. Only someone born in the USA can become the President or Vice-President.

And that make you finally American or Nigerian?

*apologies for the harsh word

[quote author=gothrones][/quote]I now see it. Thanks...

gothrones: Nope. He was born in Brooklyn, New York.



You haven't seen an Ethiopian Jew? Even you can convert to Judaism. It is a religion and a culture, not a race. It is interesting that you do not know that. But Sagan wasn't even an Israeli; he was born in the USA!

Are you sick? Where did I mentioned ethiopian Jew? I said Israeli jew are not blacks.

Wikipedia :
According to Sagan, they were Reform Jews, the most liberal of Judaism's three main groups.

And you dont know what naturalised citizen is huh?

gothrones: Haba! The author was clearly there.

I talked for each link buddy. Visit them and debunk me pls if am wrong

gothrones: Carl Sagan was an American, a westerner. He was also white.

Naturalised American. Israeli are not black abeg.

Obi1kenobi: http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1673952,00.html

This is a public outburst writing on a black webpage.....no author?

Obi1kenobi: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-agin/how-not-to-end-a-career-t_b_68953.html

Took my time to read through everything on this page. It very interesting indeed. But no author.

Obi1kenobi: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/science/25cnd-watson.html

Yeah the best. But I cant find his peers on the link.

Obi1kenobi: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html

This is mere public fury not science circle.

Show me where his peers renounced him...... And dont tell me you dont know the meaning of renounce....I am not saying outburst.

Obi1kenobi: I only had to look through a single Google page to find all that.

You aint intelligent. Internet is a whole of bullcrap. Where you can find support and against for motives on same subject. The fact is Dr James said this and he didn't deny it. If you want to renounce, people should do test and proof him wrong completely. Words are cheap.

Here is a foolish Nigerian supporting him http://why-we-are-white-refugees..com/2010/08/nigerian-agrees-with-dna-pioneers.html . So why would you want me to rely on public opinion?

Obi1kenobi: Are you suddenly illiterate on how to use the internet?

still cant do without insult. What has illiteracy and use of internet got in relation?

Obi1kenobi: I can even give you a Nairaland link here:
https://www.nairaland.com/99978/dna-racist-watson-16-african

The content on the link is nowhere near refutation of his claim on logical and scientifical ground. On this linked thread, we have a religitard saying we are descendant of Adam and Eve. The rest are debate on intelligence and race definition. Nothing tangible there than cheap words. Get me logical refutation. How is that hard?

Obi1kenobi: You can find several times more mainstream negative reactions to his quote and all he lost immediately after it was publicized but considering how you've kept vomiting his quote endlessly, it's odd you can't find them.

Is that what we need? Cheap words huh..... You are embarrassing.

Igbos are Jew, David said. 'I have genetic analytic result that proved my claim right....he further claimed.

But no...igbo are this are that are Igbo and not Jew.

FOLYKAZE : motherfuc.ker, provide logical refutation and scientifical rebuttal. Words are cheap and opinions are subjective.

You still cant show me this than nairaland talk that doesn't run pass two pages.

Obi1kenobi: And that sounds rational in your twisted reasoning? An individual being used to judge thousands or millions of people?

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.” -- Charles Darwin

Obi1kenobi: "cry me a river"? Are you like 12-years-old with how often you repeat that children's playground drivel?

Passive aggressive behaviour is so poor for your health

Obi1kenobi: Meaningless comment. Swinging wildly and connecting with nothing. And we know you've learnt a word called "ad hominem". You don't have to keep repeating it to make yourself appear clever. Especially as you don't see the irony when attacking and generalizing people with no rational arguments and tediously trotting out "ad hominem" when they return the favour.

foul cry. Lol

Obi1kenobi: A family of several generations that have lived in Russia and America count as Western to me. Laughable attempt at wriggling out of your hole.

I asked a question which you ignored. You not to be taken serious.

A jew is a jew. Knocked.

Obi1kenobi: Clear proof of your comprehension issues. Al he spoke about was the effect of gravity. He said nothing about all the crap you were rambling about while deluding yourself about your knowledge of African history.

gravity is now moon? Lol

Manhunter™:
^^^ Go and sleep bro, enough with the back and forth arguments.

lol. Yes sir. Goodnight

Obi1kenobi: You were so quick to point out what a single scientist wrote but were uable to see tons of peers who dismissed and debunked Watson's claims.

For goodness sake, why is it hard for you to show us the link of videos, articles and magazine where his peers renounced this claim? Moreover, I dropped a bomb which you can hardly handle...and you are here strongly battling with it. I have more than 10 different people who said something related Dr James claim. I have quotes from Darwin to back my point but how would I lodge it if you cant survive a single hit?

Obi1kenobi: I won't indulge that laziness and I won't link anything. A quick 2 minute search on Google would educate you showing several people and research organizations - including Watson's lab - that disagree with him. Else, you can wallow in your ignorance and keep regurgitating the same garbage about Watson as if he's an anointed god and appointed spokesman for all scientists.

simply say....'i got nothing to offer'. Your silence is deafening.

Obi1kenobi: It's as moro.nic as claiming all Ifa priests represent all pagans across the wold. Or the views of Adeboye represents all christians across the world.

cry me a river.

A single terrorist gave whole muslim bad tag.

Obi1kenobi: Except that the analogy is a silly one and doesn't work. The cream of the global scientific community agree on basic principles in evolution, although they may disagree about modalities and other issues concerning it. It doesn't matter whether it's an elite biologist in Cambridge or Princeton or one in the University of Tokyo. Literature on Adam and Eve are little more than shepherd tales. And there is no evidence Moses crossed the red sea. Quit smoking that stuff you're on. If you can't understand the theory of evolution, you'd best keep mute rather than broadcasting your comprehension issues publicly.

sound like a christian. Lol

Obi1kenobi: See mugu. Which history do you think you know? And which history have I discussed with you before?

Ad-homiem. Jeez.

History have African thoughts and philosophies. If you have known history, you wont split gilberish.

Obi1kenobi: Except you have no actual points. Just rehashing the same tedious stuff with no real substance and arguing about things you have no grasp about.

christians are better here....you got nothing to offer. A point have become a mountain before thee. Lol

Obi1kenobi: More aimless rambling after misquoting the poor fella. He never said anything about Calendar systems and astronomy. He was taking about the understanding of the concept of gravity and it's effects on the earth. And you abandoned his point to go off on this rant . The likes of Newton and Galileo studied the concept with experimental and mathematical representations and made it better understood. Keep up and stop twisting people's arguments.

You missed where he said Africans do not know about Moon?

I can feel your pain

Obi1kenobi: The quote is a sackload of absolute sheite.

How?

Obi1kenobi: Funny how I'm the one rejecting the view of the westerner and you're the one quoting the nonsense from the Westerner because it may support whatever point you're trying unsuccessfully to make. I thought we were meant to swallow everything they feed us? New lesson learnt - you're only a slave to Western philosophy, science, literature and whatever when it suits you. When it doesn't, others are the slaves. Real funny fellow, you are.

Carl Sagan is a jew.

Joshthefirst: I thought folake was a girls name?

folake, funso and foly are the same thing.

Though most people use folake for gals

Alfa Seltzer: Ishi my love. I'll be whatever you want me to be.

Ishilove is an incarnate of Olokun. Everybody want her.

Ishilove: Lmao!!!

Right now, Pagan, macof and Folake are holding hands and invoking the gods of their ancestors to prevail upon Seun to appoint a pagan mod

Egbami o.

What is this madam?

Ajibam: don't tell me pagans pretends too..
ishilove earlier exposed you guys

guy stop this joke abeg. Can you tell us what is going on pls?

And i'm not pagan but atheist. I just embrace my cultural heritage and encouraging others to do too.

MEILYN: lets keep our fingers crossed. Nothing bad happened okay? Nothing bad can happen to Obadiah am pretty certain. God needs him here on earth .

pls stop this crap. Where is Obadiah?

manmustwac: Good question me to who haven't been around for a while would like to know to

Hey chief... We really missed those days you got the button. Whats good?

9jadelta: ^
have already gone thru the thread
still doesn't answer my question

Answer my question abeg. And your question is incoherent......sango is not human being.

I was suprised to find that Obadiah moniker appeared as the only moderator on this section. ... HBD and Ajibam were removed without Seun informing any of us here. The worst case is that Obadiah has deactivated his account.

What is going on here?

9jadelta: well, that depends on ur own definition of spiritualism.

What is spiritualism.... Lets start there. And correlate your definition with the quote.

9jadelta: telling me that sango could bend thunder without proof or hypothesis is bull poo anti science

who said Sango a human that will blend thunder?

I cant type again abeg. My fingers are hurting me here and I need some rest for the long day.

Sango is Electrical charge as explained on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1486568/plain-concept-eledumare-orisas-reality#19001043 .

You know electrical charged caused lightening and thunder. It is will human that manipulate and device it. I think this is complex though.

Also go on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1556154/sango-electrical-energy.a-debate-btw . The points are debated base on questions asked. We got them there. I dont want to go in endless circle