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rationalmind: So, there is nothing spiritual about christianity and islam. They are just religious circles.

Are you really this dumb? So funny I'm just noticing today.

Where did I say there is nothing? Another lie.

This is water....and there is water in the content of fanta.... The expression doesn't make water another fanta.

Is Islam a spirituality or religion?

Is christianity a spirituality or religion.

What is the difference between spirituality and religion?

I asked you these questions and you ignored it. Now coming here to appear relevant.

rationalmind: To confirm all I've said so far, macof just said he will try to link another myth with evolution.

That statement alone explains all I've been saying. If let's say for instance, STOFOCATION had been the scientific and biological explanation for how life came to be, macof will still try to find a way to explain one myth to fit into it.

stop trying to appear relevant.

rationalmind: And you are so foolish to note I'm saying their explanation is an attempt at re-interpretation which I don't accept.

Liar. You said you were refering to the literal state. Meaning you are looking for old monster who got drunk. Buddy you stink more and more.

rationalmind: How else do I put it? Did you read what I initially sent to him? I said everyone tries to be relevant to science. Muslims do that, christians do that. That's what ure also doing. You are not different from them.

If you won't accept the quran despite talking about the big bang before science discovered it, why should you expect me to accept yours?

I asked questions and you are not ready to give answers. Seem you only want to talk the talk.

The writer on the site you copied from said big bang has a beginning. That is his/her point. Is it wrong to state such?

If I will argue, I will do that through the writer statement and not searching for mockery.

rationalmind: Do you have problems with comprehension? I said if the big crunch or even the holographic universe had been the accepted scientific theory for the existence of the universe, you would still had found a way to re-interprete your myth to fit into it. Can't you understand that simple fact?

Nope. One has been before the other. It either they form a parallel or intersect. No one bend one for another unless you can prove we did.

rationalmind: And where did I say you claimed I should accept your theory?

I reject... Mean I forwarded something to you for acceptance. Show us that.

rationalmind: I said you are embarrassing for THINKING everyone should accept your theory. I came to that conclusion when you called me close minded for refusing to accept it.

I didnt call you close minded because you are not reasoning along. All you want to draw out of mockery.

rationalmind: Lol, so he accepts islamic spirituality but dismisses the quran and islam. He accepts christian spirituality and dismisses the bible and christianity.
Keep trying to defend a lost cause.

The only problem is, you are unable to show me where I said you said I should accept your concept

Epic fail.

Instead of you to present to us what we asked of you, you resort to silly rants again.

Earlier I said I accept some concepts in christianity. Love, respect for authority and charity. So you see how silly your rants is?

There is zakat in islam too. I accept that.

Adding, Islam and christianity is not a spirituality but a religion circle. That is why you fail always.

Kenchosen: my dear. Sorry O...oh 4ur disappointment of odas christains. But know dis Heaven is a personal race n not a group. So go 4ur own salvation, u av no excuse watsoever ok. U av had d word of God n it wi b a witness against on judgement day. Ok. Pls dont b discourage ok d Lord is ur strent ok. Go back 2 Lord na u sti av d opportunity 2morrow may be 2 late.

Preacherman.....which Lord are you refering to. Ra or Thor?

rationalmind: And where did I defend christianity? How low can you guys go? Does paganism teach you guys how to lie? On that same thread you were referring to, I called the bible a myth. Does that sound like someone defending christianity? Leave folykaze to his folly, don't let him drag you into foolishness.

My man point has been that, trying to re-interprete a myth to fit into science is not new. Christians do it all the time, muslims also do it all the time. That exactly is what you are doing now.

On the same grounds you reject theirs, I'm rejecting yours. That is not so difficult to understand

Show us where he said he rejects other form of spirituality and their conceptions.

And where did we ask you to accept our concept? Show us that too

rationalmind: Nonsense. And for some very strange reasons, you dismiss the quran that also used spirituality to explain the big bang which science is just explaining.

Do you see the contradiction in the two bold?

Islam is a religion pieced in a book called quran.

Spirituality is not a religion. Epic fail

rationalmind: I just confirmed you are dumb. Not just dumb, so foolish. If you can't see the parallels between those allegory and your attempted re-interpretation, you have a big problem.

I do not see it. Do the job and show me

rationalmind: You just typed 25 words addressing nothing I said.

Yeah. You cant see nor smell your anus. It stink buddy. I said you want to mock others even though they explained what their concept meant for you.

rationalmind: You are just so pathetic. I got this from an islamic website. Take your time to go through it. When you understand why you dismiss their explanation, you will understand why I dismiss yours. Take note of the bolded.

The universe has no begining?

Or what is wrong in claiming that too?

If you want to argue, do it through what he said. Not that you should start asking mockery questions. My point.

rationalmind: The above is you living up to your username. FOLLY
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If the big crunch had been the accepted theory for the existence of the universe other than the big bang, you would still had found a way to make your myth relevant to it. Such nonsense.

You making no sense. The theory had been in Yoruba spirituality before big bang was propounded.

When the dogon in mali discovered Sirius star, they gave it spiritual names and personified it. Modern science came with theirs and the relativeness was used to know both are pointing to same thing.

rationalmind: On the basis of the above, you are the one who is embarrassing for thinking everyone should accept your re-interpretation of a myth to fit into science.

where did I claimed that you should accept my decoding of spiritual theory? I challenge you to show me that.

rationalmind: And the rant goes on and on with no substance

Too big to hug. So he resort to irrational write-off

nnofaith: you ve shown a lot of equestrian droppings.

stop acting foolish here. Add something to the thread. Your boss rationmind is down and we know you are all about fan and team praise. Be the man

macof: Now I see that you are not atheist instead u are mentalised to Christianity

same way I saw u defending christianity against Islam on wrong basis.

And I want u to show me where I publicly dismissed Bible creation story.
Note that the Bible creation story is incomplete and The original account was told by ancient canaanites.

I thought the guy is really rational as his name implied. He is junk.

Even the jew agree that the whole creation story in the torah or old testament is metaphoric for a theological purpose. We already know the moses sea parting is also allegory. Even the same bible agreed abraham and sarah all are allegory. I still dont understand what he wants than mockery.

nnofaith: so much horse shite and cow dung on one page!

You are known to be runaway nig.ga. I have pinned you to wall in two different threads where you resort to retreat only. And here you got nothing to add up.....a living sheep is better than your dead lion. Just shift to other side

Ishilove: Then why is he called the god of Iron?

That is bad.

Is Sango the God of Iron?

I will have to quit on you. You are them them.

rationalmind: Yawns

Butthurts. Taste my words and thoughts....if it too nasty, split it back at me.

Been called rationalmind doesn't equates being rational in mind.

You loose this buddy

rationalmind: And if I see something that made me laugh, I shouldn't laugh because you will perceive it as mockery. Such nonsense.

You know what is what. The only thing you looking for is a old monster called Obatala who got drunk. You want this for mockery.

rationalmind: The only philosophical sense is in your head.

Yes.... Eledumare is the cosmic singularity where the universe is birthed through massive explosion.

Obatala is the light particle that caused the explosion and which spread. The drunk state mean the cooling state of light particle.

Oduduwa is the womb of creation. The dark energy which produces the atom and compounds. It is said that it continued the task of Obatala when the later was drunk...cooled.

^^^does the above related with modern theory. Big bang?

Ogun is Iron leading the other Orisa into planet earth. Science said the outer and inner crust made up of Iron.

Yemoja is the icy comet that bombarded the earth. Yoruba people said she fell when she was running...and her belly gushed out water....from there vegetation and life came out. Modern Science said water on earth was as a result of icy comets that fell on earth. And this produces the life.

We were told Orisas climbed down on a chain in the water body....that is symbol which mean chain equates to dna and life sprang out of water body.

^^^does that sound like a primordial soup?


African man will accept anything of foreign even when they have the exact at home. This is inferior complexity on you.

Now tell me the philosophical state is only in my mind. You are embarrassing.

rationalmind: Who cares about your silly opinion.
Yawns

It not for you to agree on. That is you in the mirror. You are a liar and clouded with pride. Your atheism is hateism. You hate truth that stand against your false knowledge.

rationalmind: Then you go back to read the link. You must be impressed with the big words that are used to sugarcoat BS.



The link explained nothing. The only problem you have is confirmation bias. You are even worse than christians and muslims.

The link explained alot. You are blinded from seeing reality and truth. That is the effect of close mindness.

Just come out plain that you are looking for a monster that got drunk. I am not going down on your like. Be what you called...rational.

rationalmind: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

In addition to what I said earlier, there are christians who have also given symbolic and allegorical interpretations to the creation story in the bible. You people dismiss them all the same and expect others to take you serious.

Like I did say, you are not in anyway different from the christians and muslims you so much villify.

The only difference is, their BS is foreign, your own is local

This is silly. I didn't ask you to cry around.

There is nowhere I said am against christianity or hate the concept of christ. I once said I go to church on invitation even though I dont agree with most of their concepts.

I love some concepts of christianity like love, charity and respect for authority. Yes there are also some philosophical concepts like the tree of life which I agree mean intelligence.

I dont just believe in anthromorphical Gods with their omnis attribute because it illogical to my reasoning. If there is evidence today, I will believe.

I have agreed with some concepts in buddhism and hinduism. Both are the two eastern spirituality I read about. There is nothing like locality and foreign in what I accept or reject.

The greek spirituality is founded on cosmos. Zeus is sun, jove is jupiter. And what they called lucifer is planet venus. I know the real philosophical meaning relating to cosmos in this spirituality, why wouldn't I accept it?

Quit this self-obfuscation struggling to appear relevant through deceit.

rationalmind: There is no lie nor dishonesty in my post. What I said was my literal understanding of the story. You were the one who is dishonest by trying to pretend you actually don't know I'm talking in the literal sense.

Are you missioned on mockery with the literal sense when you were grinded with the philosophical sense in other threads and also the link I provided?

Apart from lies and dishonesty, you have proven you are insincere close minded folk. Your atheism should be hateism

rationalmind: There is nothing in the link you gave me. Just someone using big words to say nothing.

Another lie. There is nothing like big words which you cant understand on that link. Tell us your other name is deceit.

The link explained the literal surface of how the universe came about. What you only want to see is an old man called Obatala who got drunk. Quit lying around like a kid

Ishilove: Rara

Iya wa. I am sorry I cant type much. But this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1468365/naturalistic-pantheism-atheism should help. Feel free to ask any question here.

nnofaith: i dont know about your spirituality but i damn sure know you are not atheist.

You always appear rhetoric everytime. Is there anything like 'my spirituality'?

Lets go down the stream....what is spirituality?

I am not an atheist (hateist). I am spiritual atheist. Gerrit?

rationalmind: Hehehe, you mean the story of an ocean reaching heaven from earth and olodumare sending obatala to the earth with sand and chicken actually depicts the big bang theory.

Like I once said, everyone tries to be relevant to science. Muslims also claim the big bang was already foretold in the quran, christians claim there are scientific evidences in the bible.

How do you in good conscience dispel those beliefs of christians and muslims and boldly claim your own myth is correct.

Been called rationalmind doesn't equate being rational indeed.

What you got up there is lies and dishonesty. I personaly have explained this in many thread. Follow this link http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=3562.0;wap2 , you might get some sensible stuff there. I am tired typing epistle which later in the future you will deny

Mr Troll: lol. Now you're sounding like folykze. Why do you think that if we don't accept local bullshit therefore we must be european wannabes? Its like a Christian saying that if you don't worship Yahweh then you must be a devil worshipper.

Jewish atheist gave naturalistic explanation to Mosaic Judaism. They still visit temples and involve in Jewish rituals. I dont do prayer and rituals though....i just find local to enjoy culture and tradition.

And how is a culture, tradition and spirituality bullshit? And who is asking you to accept it?

Mr Troll: @foly, I told you before, the patient has the first say on his life except in cases where he is unable.

Try to understand me Mr. I agreed with you if the patient give this condition. But since euthanasia is employed to escape pains and suffering, we should firstly check if the person is psychologically balance. Reason for this is that no rational person at any point wants to die. Human are built with the instinct to fit and survive. If it psychological imbalance problem, we can help balancing that.

And in the case when the pain is unbearable, the option should not be death. That was the reason I said we should work for greater education in pain management.

And lastly when the patient cant make decision, you have no right to do for... Death is irreversable. What if the patient is not considering euthanasia?

Mr Troll: What do you expect a family of an unconscious brain dead man to do? Continue on life support indefinitely? At what cost to living relatives?

And in this sense the family should kill others around because they cant cater for them?

You ignored the life insurance gain and inheritance case where people can hide behind euthanasia to terminate others.

Mr Troll: Saying we are all ill but in different degrees is just a red herring. Euthanasia is considered in a terminally ill person. Someone who has no hope of a cure anymore. How can you compare that to a walking healthy person?

Why do you think those sentence to death are protected from taking their life themselves? Afterall they will still die.

What if there is cure tomorrow?

Kay 17: So they are all murders?! They are all termination of life?!

Different measures for different state... I mean social culture and law.

My argument on Euthanasia is that the person should be the one making the decision....not intimate family.

And secondly, there should be help through pain management instead of killing an individual.

Ishilove: @bolded, Tsk tsk, your language...

Macof and Folake are evangelical pagans

Me think 'pagan' is a corrupted term used to destroy the concept of other form of spirituality apart from Abrahamic faith.

African spirituality to the best I see it is 'naturalistic pantheism'. Naturalistic pantheism is the same thing as spiritual atheism which I am.

So ye yin iya wa?

Logicboy03: Just kidding.....Sango only works in 'Folykaze's and Macof's minds



These two guys are becoming trolls with their pagan crap!
Pagan9ja doesnt throw stuff like these two nincompoops

Boy, are you sick?

When you have pen and book, will you ask pen to write itself on book? You are becoming stupid with days

Ishilove: Goot goot. Please tell Sango we need his services in my community. Nepa no gree give us light for the past 6 weeks

Lol.

Sango is there....everywhere. Even in your body system. What you need is to use what you have to device what you want.

Your request is the problem of African. We want already-made and we are oppressed for our laziness. Do what you got to do.

Kay 17: you did the exact opposite of what I warned against. What do you think is Murder, then distinguish it from self defence, defence of property, manslaughter, suicide.

Murder is the termination of life.

Self defence is a win-win murdering game of the swift one. You dont kill yourself on self defence....you do the opponent.

Defence of property.... sorry I dont know.

Manslaughter....killing of human being without malice aforethought.

Suicide is the action of killing oneself intentionally

Mr Troll: is suicide evil in all and every scenario or case?

P.S. I did not insult your intelligence but I see you insisting it is murder when we have not come to that conclusion yet. Insisting something without showing how does not make for good debate.

As for your previous reply, when I said the patient will eventually die, I was sure you knew what I meant. Sure, we all will eventually die but in this case we are talking about a person who is terminally ill and is in constant excruciating pain. There will be no need to consider euthanasia if there is any hope for a cure.

Note....you are not addressing any of questions directly or indirectly. And I'm sorry, you not helping this discussion.

We are all ill. Just in different degrees. Does that mean we should kill each others?

What euthanasia act is trying to dodge is the pain and suffering. And I asked if we can work on educating pain management as a subject in the clinics. Death option is not ceasing pain, it cease life.

Get me straight mr. I am not saying euthanasia is murder. I said the decision should come from the patient and not from family member. When it from family member, it is murder because no one has right to decide on another person's life. And if it the patient making this decision, there should be critical psychological examination and aids.

macof: Not so.

As I always say, spirituality is at a level science is still building up to. philosophy is a Great part of spirituality and myths are symbolic
All myths have to say something about reality.

Like Oduduwa coming down from a chain to create earth after Obatala got drunk and slept off.
I have used the big bang theory to explain this

people want to see the old monster who was drunk

aManFromMars: ^^^^^
Is electricity conscious?

Is Sango conscious?

Yes.

And if you are going to ask, how. The answer is that it is conscious because it respond to it environment.

aManFromMars: Smh.


I'm out.

Thats too early.

aManFromMars: First off, I would like to ask Folykaze and Macof to explain their understanding of Ifa, Sango and electrical energy.

Hey muskey. I think I did that on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1447731/renounce-atheism-agnosticism/5#18327019 . Read through pls.

aManFromMars: Also, definitions of being and consciousness would be handy in this debate/discussion.

Being to me is the nature or essence of a person. Also it could be used for a living creature (real or imaginary).

Consciousness on the other hand mean the state of being conscious (awareness or responsiveness by the mind of itself and the world around)

aManFromMars: I'm not one for writing long epistles and running around in circles so let's all try to avoid that as much as possible. Be as clear and precise as possible.



Early warning: Folykaze should rein his emotions in. Any attempt to turn this thread into a tribal war (references to Igbos as Jewish slaves and all other such nonsense) would not be in our general interest. Thanks.

And I hate sarcasm.