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Reyginus: The gentlemen below have decide to put to rest the question of Sango and Electrical Energy.

Thanks for this. And am really glad to be here for this.

Reyginus: Is Sango, the god of thunder, really the Electrical Energy?

Yes. Sango is the spiritual term called Electrical energy in science sense. So much I can say, in the spiritual world, a terminology is usually personalied to explain a phenomena to their best understanding.

Adding, there was a man called Sango who was a king in ancient Oyo. He was brave and can conjure Sango the energetic force when he was alive. His skills gave birth to his name just like Ogun are mostly use for blacksmith.

Reyginus: Is there any relationship between Sango or Electrical energy and a certain spiritual phenomena?

Yes. Both are same thing. Just different worldview.[/quote]

Kay 17: @folykaze

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What makes euthanasia, self defence/defence of property different from murder is context and circumstance, so don't overtwist it to invoke undue emotions.

Euthanasia is termed as 'assisted suicide'. The person assisting or aiding the suicide is a murderer.

No emotion here

Mr Troll: Your response didnt show that you understood the situations...

common this is an insult to my intelligence. If I dont agree with you on a stand, does that make me ignorant of it?

Mr Troll: check @ bold, that is what euthanasia does in a terminally ill patient.

And you said I dont understand it?

Mr Troll: The person will eventually die.

Illogical. We will all eventually die. This is unwelcomed excuse....people will start killing others claiming this.

Mr Troll: All what is being done is save the patient and his family undue and excessive pain and stress for what will eventually occur anyway.

I asked a simple question and you are turning around to remixing. What if the patient is clinically insane or psychologically imbalance? Pls answer that.

Secondly, why cant we check the psychological state before proceeding on euthanasia because biologically, living organising are to fit and survive?

Instead of focusing on euthanasia, we should work for a greater education in pain management so that healthcare providers at a clinical level can use it. After all, killing someone pain does not solve the problem of pain, and we shouldn't solve problems by killing people.

Mr Troll: It is not murder.

And I repeat.....this decision is subjected only to the patient. When the intimate family member is included, it become murdering. People will use euthanasia as excuse for killing a patient so that they either save some money on medication or earn from life insurance. Nobody has right to rule on another person's life.

Mr Troll: do you know the situations in whih euthanasia is considered?

You think I dont know and I am here discussing it?

Mr..... If the patient make such decision, dont you think it psychological imbalance?

Those who want to die are not in their right mind and perhaps can be argued as being clinically insane, or rather not of sound mind, and that they are incapable of making these decisions rationally due to the duress and pain they are must constantly endure. Look at it from this angle that we all have a biological need to live (fit) and survive. Therefore no one wants to die. What people want, even the suicidally depressed, is to end the pain and suffering.

And like you said that intimate family member can take the decision is synonymous to murdering. Assisted murdering is the same as murdering. If every family members can make this decision then families will want old people to die sooner and against their wishes to save money. This is killing and it is too easily open to abuse, and as a cover for murder.

Christianity is always a reformed paganism

Mr Troll: it is usually done at the request of the patient, except in extreme cases where the patient has become unconscious and cannot make that choice then it falls on his/her immediate family. It is never the decision of the doctor.

If the patient make the decision, like it said traditionally "Anger turned inward against the self." dont you think such decision might arise through psychological imbalance?

Family members taking such decision on behalf of patient is cold blooded murdering.

GeneralShepherd: Love your neighbour as you love yourself

Hatred started from God....how could someone hate a child from the womb?

Dogs should suffix here.

Kay 17: I see Euthanasia as an exception to thou shall not kill. Euthanasia is a curative medicine from my view and done out of respect for the dignity and spiritual value of a human.

To the far length I agree with your post, I will ask a question.

Dont you think this should be done only at the request of the patient?

One thing I know for certain is that there is fire on the mountain

Malakh: Black jews are scattered worldwide they are just called by different ethnic names not all black people are jews, Africans are not jews, Jews is short for Judah who is one of the sons of Israel.A lot of Yoruba's,Hausa's and many other ethnic tribes are part of the house of Judah who are nicknamed Jews... I have a yoruba name but that doesn't change the fact that i am of the house of Judah.....Blindness in PART has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles

Apart from the contradiction in the bold, you have belittled your heritage and identity. Seriously wtf is wrong with we Africans? Why would Africans force their history and Identity on others?

plaetton: Pls go ahead.
I have lots history to add to that.

Like I have always stated, the line between dividing line between so-called spiritual/religious phenomena and physics is getting blurry.
Spiritual phenomena that define many of the world's religions and cultures throughout the ages are aspects of conventional as well as higher or hyper-dimensional physics.

For example, the Egyptians developed electricity, but they did not see it's utility, rather, they saw it as spiritual phenomena whose secrete had to be fiercely guarded.

You said it all especially with the bold.

Sharia against Government officials. Joke of the year

Manhunter™:
I thought this thread was supposed to be about lessons learnt from this section. What's with all the Sango and Orunmilla and stuff?

where we were going is not far. Where we branched is.

macof: Goes to prove u are a liar and slanderer

You know nothing about being Yoruba, you are not Yoruba but u accuse me of twisting Yoruba spirituality.

Now only a person with sound knowledge of Yoruba spirituality can claim this.

For u to do dat when u have No knowledge means that u are a fool who doesn't have anything better to do

calm down buddy. Eyi wu mi o wu o lo n mu iya meji lototo. Just make your point. He needs not to agree with you. You guys got different ori

Reyginus: Frankly speaking, I would like to see this issue of sango and electrical energy debated thoroughly.

Folykaze and AmanFromMars and any other party, do you mind if I create a thread for it. I will moderate it if you want me to.

Lol. You good to go.

I once said I want to make you think. Since you asked a rhetoric question, I had to ask you back in explanatory process so that we can proceed on another. You cant move away from where you knocked down without sound understanding and move to another rhetoric question. Lets do it step by step.

nnofaith: So if i am a driver i will nourish ogun energy by beheading a black dog at ogun's shrine and after doing the nourishment ogun protects me from accident. lol! you are just wasting your time. some of us are yoruba too and we can see through your charade. using fancy words to re-package and re-brand yoruba myths.

I will deal with the above. Note you asked this question

nnofaith : lol! nourishment as in vitamins?

And your incoherent question was littered with reasons here

FOLYKAZE : Ile nje eniyan.... Meaning the earth eats human.... Does that mean earth eat protein?

Mo ti fun oju mi lounje.... Meaning I have given my eye food. Does that mean my eye have teeth, tongue and stomach which it use for digesting food?

And to your question on sacrifices of dog to Ogun, will Ogun eat the meat? There is answer for that though. Let see how you understand nourishment before we proceed. And if you rant buddy, I might ignore you straight away.

Ishilove: Guru is not the devil, from what I know about him.

nope. Am not saying guru is devil. I mean your statement is ironic.

'devil will shout blood of jesus'....just a ironic joke. For example, if monkey see Obj, he will thank God. Lol

nnofaith: lol! nourishment as in vitamins? you are definately lost.

Let me use two case here. I charged you to think but it seem your brain is not functioning well. Let me help.

Ile nje eniyan.... Meaning the earth eats human.... Does that mean earth eat protein?

Mo ti fun oju mi lounje.... Meaning I have given my eye food. Does that mean my eye have teeth, tongue and stomach which it use for digesting food?


It has been said....common sense is not always common. Lol

All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.....

For Nofaith and Amanfrommars.

Ishilove: You sound like Guru Maharaj Ji

Even devil will shout blood of Jesus. Lol.

nnofaith: Ifa is essentially anchored on three principles. which are knowledge,humility and sacrifice. what are you offering sacrifice to? energy?! like i said earlier you guys are jokers.

English term corrupt many things. Ebo mean nourishment. Wife nourish (bo) husband. What they nourish Orisa is a congealed energy. Everything in nature is energy.

Use that to build the puzzle. I love seeing people thinking.

Mr Troll: I ask again, do you guys worship any deity abstract or sentient? Giving examples of money or parents is simply escapist.

How is it escapist?

I worship my parents. I worship money, my gf, and my phone.

Do you, for example, invoke sango to strike down evil doers etc?

where did I or Macof claim to be Sango adherent or Aworo Sango?

macof: Like I said.

Spiritual knowledge is not for the religious

Why do you honour that close minded dude with reply? There are answers for him already, it too hard to accept. So let him be.

For examples here, consider money as being worshiped in the capitalistic world, and/or the scientific method by many self-proclaimed atheists. People worship money, sports, celebrities, science, countries and such. When it takes on an all-important role in your life, it becomes worship.

And he compared this with Worship of Jesus. Some people self.....robot better pass them

macof: Ifa adherents don't necessarily worship anything. Ifa says Ori l'aba bo, a ba Orisha sile Orunmila here advices that we should first honor ourselves by feeding our consciousness and leave any God aside

As u have a low consciousness you can never understand.

Your case is like- A child who was born in the bush without knowledge of wat the valley is like, you enter the valley and live among valley dwellers but find it difficult to live without that bushly habits so when u see those living on the mountaintop u assume they are the same as the bush dwellers

He will tell you Ori is one monster too. Lol

Mr Troll: I see you like fighting.

First, I wasn't referring specifically to the Yoruba traditional religion. I said ALL and then put being in bold.

Secondly, many ifa adherents will disagree with you considering that they worship whatever it is they consider orisa to be. It will be quite absurd to worship, say, gravity.

So what exactly do pagans like macof do?

Firstly, you haven't seen me defending other traditional Gods. Adding, Orisa are not beings.

Ifa is practically spirituality. I opened a thread for that too. Ifa mean body of knowledge. Pls why are you closing down everything on religion? Fine I worship my parents. Does that make them supernatural beings?
Is something sacred? Yes, say I with Nietzsche. I could not pray to it, but I can stand in affirmation of its magnificence. This world is sacred.”
― Daniel C. Dennett

macof should answer what he does.

Mr Troll:

What are you saying?

Firstly there is nothing like omnis among Orisas
Secondly, they are not supernatural beings
Thirdly, I dont see yoruba spirituality as Religion.

The supernatural and omni beings you want to see are what you either watched in movie or the oral tradition which are condensed and what I called false knowledge. How many time do you want me to explain Sango as Electrical charge or Yemoja as Icy comet? I purposely do that on a thread yet you all want to see a tall guy that breathe fire abi na half fish half human?.

macof: The Irunmole are not beings
They are Energies that manifest as forces of universal existence

I just tire for mr troll o. He only wants to see the false knowledge he had been feed.

Mr Troll: all. All supernatural omni omni beings irrespective of religion and place.

I am sorry, I dont belief in that. Yoruba Orisa are not beings but energies.

Mr Troll:

But seriously guy, do you understand what atheism really means?

Disbelief in God/gods. Then the question that should follow is what concept of God/gods are you holding your disbelief on? This thread deals with that https://www.nairaland.com/1457170/atheist.....what-concept-god-disbelief and you might tell us here too.

Mr Troll: lol, that awkward moment when a Christian agrees with folykaze

And you can say that to rationalmind who agrees with a christian rapture-ready. Lol.

hunter2,1:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

Hmmmm. Have been reading into Occult science since yesternight. This is eye opening.