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MaxInDHouse:
The problem ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS do have with our book (Bible) is listening to all Dickson and Harryson claiming they're teachers of God's word.
Most of you guys studied in the universities and though you know that each lecturer teaches certain subjects you just feel like blaming God after you've taken in junks from misinformed Churchgoers and their title chiefs (Pastors)
As an agent of the intelligence i know that even in the military we have fields of specialization though we all know how to aim with guns but each department has different skills, so i wonder how could it be that all these different religions contradicting themselves could be Christians for real?
It's either one must be real while others are fake or everything is DELUSION.
So i set out to do my findings. First i need to know what should be the end result of this faith if rightly applied? You and i know that the end result of
*Farming is abundance of food
*Tailoring is production of fitted clothings
*Policies is orderliness
So what should be the end result of the knowledge found in the Bible? (if there is any at all) I discovered that the book talked about man created in the likeness of the Creator {Genesis 1:26} this means that unlike animals that only live by instinct humans are endowed with the knowledge to make things better or/and make better things!
The big question now is WHY THEN IS THE EARTH FILLED WITH TROUBLE IF HUMANS CAN TRAVEL OUTSIDE EARTH?
That's how i came to the conclusion that the book (Bible) wasn't a Science textbook so i don't need to ask for solution to problems resulting from pollution or dirtiness in the Bible rather this book is like a manual from the Creator to guide mankind on how we can live peacefully and happily with our neighbours!
So the group of persons having the right application of what this book says will be able to solve problems resulting from social conflicts devastating all human societies within their own gathering! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3
Therefore it's not about solving problems resulting from mismanagement, pollution or misconduct but how people deal with people!
Then i began my research on all the religions on this planet claiming they know God, none meet up with this requirement they're all a failure. But just as i am about to settle with ATHEISM i prayed to this so called God at least for the last time to prove Himself anyhow He wish (if He exist at all) from that moment Jehovah's Witnesses started coming to disturb me.
At first i never thought their coming could make any sense but at last i decided to start asking them questions based on what i read in the Bible and what i had been taught about God.
To my shocking surprise everything turned upside down as if i am now reading a new book totally different from the same Bible i've known all my life!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES changed my orientation completely and i began seeing the Bible from a new perspective. That's when i realized that this people have used this book (Bible) to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally!
So if all the people on this planet are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES there will be no wars since they have squashed Racism and Politics, poverty will disappear since their GB (who rules them globally will handle all the resources) crime will reduce drastically (if any) because whoever goes against the rules will be excommunicated and no one could stand such if everyone around you are JWs, people will always have something to rejoice about as everyone will be his/her brother's keeper since they always care for the mental, physical, emotional and social wellbeing of their neighbours.
So if you're doubting the existence of a Creator i understand how you feel but let me tell you that with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization on this planet i have no doubt again that there is someone somewhere responsible for life and He really care about the mental, physical, emotional and social wellbeing of the creatures He made in His likeness! Isaiah 48:17-18
May you have PEACE!

The premises of this discussion is not centred on the existence of God. It is much of the position that of God on the suffering of mankind.

You will agree with me, like every witness out there, that man is suffering. The JW have tried to excuse God away from the suffering of mankind, using passages from the bible. But all those answers provided are not satisfactory enough. It is therefore a duty that all God believers should explain why a God should be excluded from the sufferings of humanity

Dtruthspeaker:
So your phone, cars, laptops, pencils are better than you?
Good to note, I'll rather employ them then!

Incoherent.!
Guy goodnight

Dtruthspeaker:
Does your mascot, mannequin have skin pores?

Yes

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Their Creator is their Owner.

2) Do you not know Out of Reach means end of information?

Also, we have exhausted the Course of this thread and is there no end to your questioning?

I do not subscribe to the foolishness of philosophy, which is the asking of questions beyond Profitable Use, into eternity, thereby keeping a person busy with foolish Ponderings and Thinkings.

When I am hungry, I eat, Once I am satisfied I stop eating and put away the food.

I believe I have satisfied your real hunger by reason of this thread, therefore, I believe your hunger has been filled, thus, you are now pursuing another delicacy!

Lol Goodnight

Kobojunkiee:
Again, this does not change any of what I have said on this so far. .

All you've said does not conform with descriptive nature of God according to the bible and logic. These both shows he is evil and wicked

Dtruthspeaker:
Surely, you did not forget that we were made like Him?

Does he has a diccck?

Kobojunkiee:
You are free to come to your own conclusions about Him.

I mean some others would maybe apply rules like...

1) Good + Evil = Neutral

2) 51% Good + 49% Evil = Good

3) 49% Good + 51 Evil = Evil

4) God exists in a plane above His creations' understanding for to be graded by anyone of His creations.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

John 9:3.....that the works of God should be made manifest in him

Evil is done by God. That is wickedness.

What sort of manifestation would you want in sickle cell aside pains?

Dtruthspeaker:
I said their "Owner"and I also said Garden of Eden is Out of Reach!

Who is this owner?
What is the location of the garden?

kingxsamz:
Lol... I love how Christians compare their god to manufacturers of cars and generators. I thought your god was supposed to be better.

How can God be better than his inventors? We made him who he is..... Look at his builders arguing like they know minds aside theirs. This prove they made him

Kobojunkiee:
So, you want to believe that because He controls it all means He is also wicked?

Conditions on ground, bible verses, and your submissions left me with no choice

Kobojunkiee:
God is sovereign, is He not?

At the same time wicked.

For once creating a young man with eye defect in John 9. And also forming sickle cell babies.

Dtruthspeaker:
With their Owner and Out of reach from us!

With God? Is Garden of Eden in heaven or physical earth?

Kobojunkiee:
Recall that "good" here was as controlled by God's Will alone, not Man's. Man decided to take control of his own destiny, giving God the back seat, and so we find ourselves ruled over by Evil instead of Good.

Didn't Amos 3:6 said the evil is controlled by God? John 9:1-3 posit same

Dtruthspeaker:
As you said, they were outside the garden and we too are outside the garden, so Eden and all its inhabitants are out of reach and out of scope!

Eden is part and parcel of this present world. How come the inhabitants of the garden are out of reach and out of scope? Doesn't that connote they are dead?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is not yours but if you want to get the import of any verse in our book (Bible) just contact us. Daniel 12:10
We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we will teach you what is written in our book! Matthew 28:20




Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

Import: I created everything even humans who chose to do evil, don't fear them they can only kill the body but they can't determine your future that's beyond their power. Matthew 10:28
I have the ability to raise you back to life when all of them are no more! Job 14:13-15 compare to Psalms 37:7-11

Amos 3:6

If a horn is blown in a city, do the people not tremble? If a calamity occurs in the city, is it not Jehovah who has acted?

Import: [b]When war is approaching don't you people fear? If such war penetrate into your cities is it no i who permitted it?
If you remain faithful and loyal to me you won't need to fear or tremble, i will fight for you you only keep calm! Exodus 14:14 compare to Isaiah 30:15

So calm down and learn what is written in our book otherwise you'll be confused if you're trying to read and understand without consulting us!

Lol. Sup?

Kobojunkiee:
What part the statement "God created it all to His specification and He made it all good" are you having a hard time with?

Does the word "All" not imply everything- good and evil - or what? Help me here cause I do not understanding what you are going for .

All good ke? Nothing is good in calamity, disease, sickle cell or natural disasters.

Dtruthspeaker:
They would have been Except that Adam gave birth to Cain who Defiled and Polluted the ground with blood and Cain gave birth to Lamech another killer and finally many hamargedon's
and hamargedonesses were born and they soiled the ground and animals with their sperm and squirt and, viola, all is polluted!

Adam and Eve were outside the garden before Cain and Abel appeared in the scene.

Where are the primordial plants and animals of Eden today since you claimed they were untouched?

shadeyinka:
The first parents of humanity imported a virus into the gene of themselves and their offsprings.

The case of John 9:1-3 was just a case of the consequence of his inheritance extending well beyond his parents.

Jesus did not say God created him like that. Jesus said that God's works should be made evident in him. Only the sick need visit a doctor.

John 9:3: "Jesus answered, Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."

Even when Jesus claimed that blindness of the young boy wasn't as a result of his sin or that of his parents, can you showcase using the bible could how his blindness is a consequence of his inheritance?

That verse 3 went further saying, that the works of God should be made manifest in him, isn't this justifying Isaiah 45:7 that God created him blind, and as a result he is wicked?

Kobojunkiee:
God created it all to His specification and He made it all good. The plants, animals, viruses, sickness...everything coexisting...it was all good. The man let sin in to control things and we are suffering for it.

Everything that exists, good and evil alike was created with a purpose, so do not think that there something that does exist without one.

So ask me better questions please.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Were you not the one exonerating God from evil and calamities of this world? That there is bible verse attesting that he created evil and all calamities.

Amos 3:6 went further that all trouble in the world is orchestrated by God. Therefore, an innocent sickle cell child is put into pains and agony by God. If that isn't wickedness, could you tell us what it is?

Dtruthspeaker:
That is the First Principal Offenders, the plants and animals were untouched, but their children too became barbaric offenders and this time they included plants and animals in their Offences eg if harmagedon pours his evil sperm on my corn seedlings, would you want to eat my corn at harvest time, if you knew? Iyama!

No, you would not, for it is exactly as a bedsheet he used to wipe his sperm from having sex with Tony's wife. You would never want to lay on it or even on the bed!

Same for a cow which he penetrated, (iyama), surely you would not touch any of these things.

Why?

Because they are Polluted, Corrupted and Defiled!

If we were to go by the emboldened, do we still have those plants and animals that were untouched? They should be hale and healthy till date.... Shouldn't they?

shadeyinka:
How did the manufacturer of Lexus 470 err by creating a good car that the driver reset the MCU with a virus in the name of fake upgrade?

Manufacturer of lexus 470 is not omniscience. Is he?

And please tell, how did the blind boy in john 9:1-3 reset his eye with virus?

What possible upgrade could any person do when God has acknowledged he created the defect according to Isaiah 45:7?

Kobojunkiee:
God created a "good" world, but man let the infection that is sin into the world, bringing with it death, illnesses,and all other calamities.

You only painted the greeny field thereby artistically hiding the dangerous greeny snake which lied therein. Death, illness, and all other calamities are creation of God, Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. How could a good God create a bad world in the first place?

Moreso, the original source of sickle cell is not the sin of the child or his parent or that of the first human. John 9:1-3 posit that God created diseases and pains not because of the sin of those affected but to glorify himself. That is wickedness my dear

Dtruthspeaker:
Like the Clothes of a Leper or Ebola patient, they were in contact with a Sinner!

And like an Assosory or Accomplice, they shall Stand Trial with the Principal Offender!

The principal offender has already been served punishment for disobeying God's instruction. The serpent, woman and Eve were severely punished accordingly. We weren't told the innocent animals, insects , and plants would share from the fate of the real offenders.

If plants and animals weren't the real perpetrators, why then do they share from punishment of an offence they didn't partook? Isn't that injustice?

Dtruthspeaker:
Like Leprosy, Ebola, Corona, evil corrupts everything it touches and Unclean and Sick man has touched EVERYTHING!

The ground, the air, the seas are all Defiled/Corrupt.

Which is why God, at the First, Said He would Heal the land if we stopped defiling and desecrating and corrupting it, but, No, man did not stop his wicked works. rather, he increased the intensity of his wickedness.

So now, all is corrupt and all shall be Destroyed!

Are you admitting they have sinned since they will die also?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who is wicked for thinking this!

For God WARNED your fathers' that if you disobeyed, you will die. He Never Specified how you would die.

But of all the dying things, drowning, selfcide, murdering, diseases, you went into the middle of diseases to find 1.

Neither did you See Not Appreciate that even after your dying through your own fault, God Still Created a Way for you to Live Again.

Now, by this Way, dying is no longer a Problem Anymore!

Did animals, plant inclusive, and plant sinned too?

MaxInDHouse:
Covid19 vaccine is out Sir!

JWs are taking it while most of you are still scared of it. But as for blood transfusion experts around the world are now speaking against it.
Shows you're still in the dark my friend!

Scared of vaccine I had been taking since I was a child? Polio, yellow fever etc.

The government and the political settings of this world is none of your business. You should rather focus on increasing death cases in your religion organisation.

"Although there are no officially published statistics, it is estimated that about 1,000 Jehovah Witnesses die each year through abstaining from blood transfusions(20), with premature deaths(7,."
http://www.smj.org.sg/sites/default/files/4711/4711me2.pdf

The report up there is from a Singaporean website stating that estimated 1000 JW die every year their blood transfusion refusal alone.

Beyond that, every human have the right to live and religion conviction should not be forced on them either. However, JW takes away the privileges and sole right for people to live, deny innocuous foetus chances to live, and use their fanaticism to destroy lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/04/07/why-doctors-let-a-jehovahs-witness-and-her-unborn-baby-die/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witnesses-blood-transfusion-death-quebec-coroner-1.4401101

How many unborn babies would Jehovah want dead?

Why is Jehovah hell bent at taking away chances of life these innocuous babies?

How long would it take before Jehovah takes his sheeple to the imaginary paradise where he rule and govern you people?

This is our Government, face your imaginary Government

MaxInDHouse:
So you're now coming to your senses that JWs don't take sides in POLITICS, that's why the whole world will never support any government treating JWs badly because we are ready to lay low under any government that emerges as long as they allow us continue our service to our God.

All what politicians use to deceive you is promising you that the poor in the society will live well but Jesus (God's only begotten son) said "whether you like it or not there will always be the rich and poor people as in retched citizens in all human society" {Mark 14:7} so there's nothing in your taking sides with any political group, we will wait for God's Kingdom where righteousness will dwell! 2Peter 3:13

My own father was a politician (AWO-IST) and i can tell you that all his dreams of a better Nigeria ended when Chief Obafemi Awolowo died.
The old man was betrayed by his closest confidant and today his name has been removed in Nigeria political despite all what the man strived to achieve for this nation.

So my friend JEHOVAH said in His word "do not put your trust in princes (rulers) nor in the son of man in whom there is NO HELP. His breath goes out, he retires to the grave, and in that very day his thoughts PERISH" Psalms 146:3-4

I'll be here by the special grace of God to remind you of those words when all your dreams in politics fail and that is if you survived death in the midst of politicians! Proverbs 14:12



Well i'll implore you to humble yourself for divine wisdom because it's not sold in the market place otherwise people like:
Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana)
Mu'ammar Al-Qadhdhāfí (Libya)
Thomas Sankara (Burkina Faso)
Obafemi Awolowo (Nigeria)
MKO Abíólá (Nigeria)
Nelson Mandela (South Africa)
would have bought it. They all died for Political struggle and what about the vision they had for their respective nations?
It all ended in disappointment!
So choose wisely my friend Satan has just sold foolishness to you with uncertainty in exchange for the divine wisdom! Isaiah 55:2
Thanks for your time!

Tell that to his wife to useless idea of your organisation

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/114117-my-wife-died-because-her-jehovah-witness-family-refused-blood-transfusion-husband.html

MaxInDHouse:
You see where empty-headedness is leading you!
Someone is advising youths not to lay down their lives for what is not profitable and the next thing is you concluded he is getting involved in Politics!
A beg whose side can you say i am if an intelligent listener ask you now?

The people, youth or the elder depends on the leader they choose for their social and economy development. It is their choice and would bear the responsibility for whatever decision they make. While you look up to to imaginary skydaddy for your own wellbeing, they depend on the Government whom they support to lead them.

You may play the ostrich telling us JW is living the rosy life....but ask yourself, does it worth languishing in jail all over the world?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is for those who despises divine wisdom but to faithful friends of my own God life is sweet!

If it's all rosy, why are you complaining about the political affair of the world? Didn't JW instructed you not to get involve in politics?

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of listening to the wisdom from above you're here arguing in support of uncertainty.
Well i've delivered the message, many youths like you were wasted in South Africa fighting and agitating in support of Nelson some 70 years ago. 80% of them died in the fruitless struggle only for Nelson to rule South Africa for just four years after spending almost 30 years in detention, his people wanted him to continue with a second tenure but when Nelson looked back at all the damages his nationalistic struggle has cost his people and what his JW wife told him to do instead of the worthless struggle Nelson Mandela realized that he has wasted his whole life pursuing shadows, he surrendered and relinquish power for politicians to continue their thing.
His first wife died at a very good oldage serving JEHOVAH with her own children while Nelson Mandela ended up in disappointment, all his vision for his country died when politicians using him got what they wanted.
If you're not deceiving yourself do you think all those you're seeing as top politicians today started as looters? Of course they were once as patriotic as you're but when they got there they join the players.
Note my word today!
No faithful, loyal and honest human can win in politics, you either join them in looting the treasury or lead them in looting the treasury!

Life is unfair buddy, welcome to the jungle

MaxInDHouse:
People like you think you're wise when you come up with arguments to support some nationalistic ideas but instead of listening to true words of wisdom your pigheadedness will keep you in the dark fighting for what is not REAL.
Well let me tell you something that you and all those around you will think is stupid but when you meditate thoroughly on this issue you will realize all politicians are fighting for the same thing be it Sowore or any other politician for that matter!
Nigeria got into this mess when our people embraced GREED and SELFISHNESS taught by the modern day religious bigots. Before the advent of Prosperity Religious Propagators (PRP) Nigerians were hardworking people who believe in a bright future for Nigeria as a country. Please try and recite both the national anthem of the sixties and the latest then compare to the pledge and see the vision our people had back then.
But gradually the PRP began changing the minds of our youths from being patriotic to nepotistic, each youth only think of his father, mother, brothers and sisters then his/her immediate or nuclear family. Those wicked religious bigots made people come together to enrich themselves and their families, everything the church has belongs to them and their children, they're buying houses in the choicest places and cruising around with the costliest cars, then they graduated from cars to private jets.
Please who amongst the youths won't wish to live like these people?
Hence each Nigeria youth began pursuing self exaltation NO MORE PATRIOTIC THOUGHT FOR NIGERIA but selfish material possessions, that's why 99.9% of those in government are looters and if any patriotic citizen should get into their circle by chance they will connive with these religious bigots to blackmail him/her and silence him/her after lots and lots of threat!
There is no country on planet earth where you won't find paupers but Nigerians walked their ways swiftly into this mess with negligence. So a million Sowore can't save Nigeria because out of the over 200,000,000 Nigerians 80% have corruption running with blood in their veins!
Whoever wants to change anything in this system must be fully prepared to make sacrifices as in SACRIFICES!

JW dey choke mouth for politics....

You better face your autocratic kingdom where opposition and competition is not allowed

owobokiri:
Don't have the interest to go back and forth with a "monument to mischief" like you...
Cement prices in Nigeria is a very topical issue which a whole lot of families are grappling with. This is a country where individuals more else carter for their housing needs. You can play to the gallery, but facts are facts. And facts are that Dangote was caught selling cement in other African countries with logistical challenges worse than Nigerias.., half the cost he sells in Nigeria! That's where the rub is. You can't spin that one..., hard as you try. I told you that cement was sold in this country for almost 5k! I stand by that because I know when it sold around 4.5k in certain areas in the east. You can now keep entertaining yourself on this thread for stipends, it doesn't change the fact that Dangote your paymaster has the Nigerian economy on a chokehold and must be stopped!

Oohhhh! We would have hold unto the lies you spew in beer parlours across the East that DCP produces their cement at zero cost, getting everything from raw materials to logistics and tax at absolute no cost or cheap.

DCP has stated that the factory cost of a bag of cement is ₦2,500 plus ₦300 for transporting it with 1200km radius. That is the total of ₦2,800 or ₦2,850. If you are buying it at ₦9,000 in your neighborhood, then you should question the middlemen and retailers in your neighborhood.

Middlemen and retailers hike the retail price to whatever considering the expenses they incur like store rent, security, labor, dues to the government, and others. Considering that DCP claims they haven't increase price of ex factory cost since December 2019, we have to look toward the retailers for the incessant increase of the price of cement within the country.

Late last year, a bag is sold at ₦3,500. And after the public outcry, it dropped to ₦3,000. It was sold around 2018 at ₦2600.