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dvdwed:
That fair enough.

#2,500 - Factory Cost price
# 300 - Delivery
# 200 - Retail Profit


Averaging #3,000 to #3,500

Dangote is not the problem , the guys printing more #60b naira notes, yeyerizing the naira. Bubu and his gang.

Nigerians would want Dangote to supply bags of cement at the doorstep of consumers at no cost.

To transport 120kg pks (palm kernel seed) from Ondo state to Odeogbolu in Ogun state is ₦500. This is not up to 1000km stretch o. Nigerians would want you to overwrite transport expenses and sell cement at zero cost

nwimo22:
I bought cement at N4,000 yesterday in Owerri

Show us the invoice.

DCP said the cost out of factory is ₦2,500. Deal with middlemen and retailers if cement is sold at ₦4,000 in Owerri. It is ₦3,000 in Ondo state

owobokiri:
People like you who tell ordinary citizens to go and start a cement factory if they want to bring down the price of cement are the biggest problems we have in this unfortunate country! You're too vicious for your own good!

A comparative analysis of cement prices across borders in Africa was posted here few days ago, showing the disparities in prices, including in countries with Dangote outlets. Your response is to start talking of cost of doing business in Nigeria... Go to obajana, Dangote is getting his local raw materials almost FREE! If we have to factor in the cost of imported raw materials, it's only fair we take into consideration the fact that he gets away with all sorts of privileges in this country, including tax cuts, free access to mineral resources, cheap labor and endless grants! Cement production used to be in the exclusive list, mind you. So it's a highly profitable and economically sensitive aspect of the local economy! Dangotes irresponsible business practices in this front is directly effecting the way Nigerians live. And yes! Cement sold for over 4,500 per bag in certain places in the east recently! That's totally obnoxious.?

You were lying with every single punches from your finger that cement is sold outrageously at the rate of ₦5,000. You turn around yelling it is sold at ₦4500 in the east. Where is your evidence? You are only asked to provide an invoice showing the rate but you can't submit any.

What raw material does DCP get absolutely free? Is limestone the only material needed for producing cement? And where is the evidence DCP gets limestone absolutely free as you suggested? Tax cut, cheap labor, limitless grants...you can cook all those bullshit from your bumbum. It's all riddle with lies unless you provide substantive evidence.

DCP has stated they produce and sell from the factory at the rate of ₦2,500. The middlemen and retailers are free to add their own expensive cost of logistic and transport, rent, labor, and profit to arrive at ₦3,000 which cement are sold at retail outlets.

owobokiri:
Which taxes? The one they refuse to pay? They ones they don't pay in other African countries? Which "overall cost of doing business"? They're almost getting limestones for free! Explain exactly how the cost of doing business in Nigeria is responsible for almost 5k per bag of cement! He sold cement for almost 2k under Jonathan.
Dangote is even trying to shift the blames to the traditional bogey man here, the "middle men", you are the one pushing a tired excuse of "cost of doing business"..
Don't know why every evil in this country must have a supporter...

You don't have to lie to substantiate your points. Where are they selling cement at ₦5,000 per bag? Can you show us receipt evidence?

Xdesign79:
This what happen when govt would not control the price of commodity in the country....everybody does what they like...its so sad.

Control price price as how? You mean they should subsidies cement like they are doing to petroleum? Dangote and the retailers is running a profit oriented business. If you want cement to sell for ₦500, you can open your own plant and sell it at lose

Kabongo1:
Where can I buy cement for 2500 in Nigeria Please?

Cement is sold at the rate of ₦3,000 per bag. It should go for ₦2500 as stated by DCP but we need to honestly add logistic cost, transportation cost, and other expenses like store rent, security, loading costs from the retailer and distributor end. Also note that retailers are selling for profit, not running charity.

There are hundreds of thousand of deities in this planet, and Allah is just one from the Quraysh tribe of the Arabia which was the tribe Mohammad belong to in the pre-Islamic period.

Way from the distant past till date, Allah do not for once reveal himself personally to anybody, not even to his last chosen prophet, Mohammad. He is a remote and very distant being. Lack interpersonal relationship with human. Therefore, it is difficult to identify or know the personal name of a Deity who over millennia refuse to reveal is personality, nature or name but sticks only to expressing his will.

Yahweh is quite different in this case. He revealed his identity to many Jew. Yahweh had personal relationship with Jacob, Moses, Job, and lot of Jew. Therefore, it understandable when Yahweh has a distinctive/personal name.

Even at that, the name Yahweh is meaningless. This is a Deity that was adopted from a distant culture, integrated into semitic/Canaanite culture, adopted by the Israelites, and fashioned around El, Baal, and Yamm of the Canaanite world. So Christians on this thread should not beat their drum too loud. A Deity with a meaningless personal name is nothing different from another Deity without personal name.

PeaceLoveJoy:
Book recommended above are just literature like other religious commentaries and personal opinions of people. The ifa corpus is like the Bible to the christian. You can talk about Joshua, the sun and moon because you have access to Bible. But your ifa corpus, you dont even have access to it yourself. And you are defending it like this. What a pity?

Ifa corpus is not like Bible or the Quran. You are completely ignorant of spiritual system which are not coded in a book or regulated by some class. Ifa system is not a religion setting, just like Kabbala of the Jew, and do not necessarily have to be documented.

You are grossly deluded and ignorant of, firstly, nature and difference between religion and spirituality. A religion setup like Christianity and Islam can only be compared with Zoroasterism or mormonism. Ifa system can only be compared with Kabbala of the Jew, ilm al-raml of the Arab, and Iching of East Asians. How many of these esoteric, philosophical and classical mysticism is completely documented?

Secondly, you did fail to understand that Ifa system is unorganized and does not entails ethic, codes and regulations by upper-class men. A system like this cannot and never be documented since it continually evolve.

PeaceLoveJoy:
I am not in the mood to continue because I have better things to do other than visiting one of your scammers in the name of Ifa priest or babalawo. He will ask for some huge amount of money. Minimum wage is N30k (monthly pay), but your babalawo can demand N200k and ove just like that for consultation. And will demand more and more later.

Well, those Babalawos and Ifa priests dont make newspaper headlines with report of gross financial misconduct, misappropriation of organization finance, diversion of poor people fund for personal business and gratification, sexual abuses of members, evasion of tax, lack of decorum, and demise of good conduct in the church.

Just this year alone, news report covers reportage of how your pastors rape church members, and financial misconduct. You should concern yourself with how you are scammed in the name of tithe and offering.

Ifa system can be proud of traditional medicine today;tell us what you could be proud of in Christianity that benefited mankind? Christianity provides us organise crime.

PeaceLoveJoy:
I pray you see light. And I pray you get to the point you can communicate directly with God instead of passing through a human being.

I am not in the mood. Goodluck to you all..

Same prayer that cannot rescue Leah Sharibu from the claw of Islamic jihad. Pray for that young lady and see her return home safely. As for me, I don't need it.

Oh sorry, I never knew you've responded to my previous post.

PeaceLoveJoy:
The underlined part cracked me. So, your fore fathers were slow to the extent that they allowed foreigners to write their traditions and culture. Yet, you that hold on to the real truth of the religion and tradition cannot start compiling everything even in 2021. There is GoFundMe to assist you, but you arent doing it. And you are still blaming the Europeans. Looks to me something is fishing. But Islam has done its, Christianity has done its, and many other religions have done theirs. Just your fore fathers refused to do it, and this generation is still slow. You will rather come here and start lamenting about what happened over 200 years ago. Lol. Secrets and dark stuff going on. Secrets they do not want the public know. Very dark places they are still covering.

All these hot air and load of hogwash is unnecessary.

You and I know that Yorubas in the distant past are not lettered. Their stories, traditions, and histories are passed down through oral tradition.

Adding, Ifa system is flexible and eternally evolve. The corpus contain infinite data. If you really want to know some of the corpus, get a book at any stores but note that they are incomplete.

While these are known, why on earth are you still pouring loads of hogwash everywhere?

PeaceLoveJoy:
I have said it, these obas, Obis, emirs, and other kingship positions should all be abolished. Anyone of them who tries nonsense should be executed legally and make his body useful by turning it to compost to grow organic food for we that are alive. Simple as ABC.

I still can't find coherency in this..

PeaceLoveJoy:
Exactly. Politics. And it is still playing today. The real interest is politics, but they use religion, culture and tradition as cover up. Culture and Tradition have been turned to weapon of selfish interest of politicians. These have been the game for over 100 years here. Look at how Gandollar disposed Sanusi the ex Emir of Kano. Pure politics. Did you see the video of the so called Sunday Ighodo or whatever who blasted the Ooni of Ife yesterday and called him a slave of the Fulani for going to Abuja to meet Buhari when they have started treating the "f...k up" of herdsman? I later saw another video where he apologized after FFK stepped in fast. Even he mentioned it that Buhari stood up to meet the Ooni for the first time which is true. You dont know Buhari. The only people Buhari trembles when he meet are his seniors in the military. Who is Ooni or Sultan or Obi or Oba or Alaafin? Who are they before Buhari? Cant they use their useless powerless powers to fight him? (Dont get me wrong, they have power, but power pass power, money buys power these days). Have you not seen the video of Wike the governor of River blasting kings there that they are after moneymaking, he even pointed to a yeye king in the gatherings of kings. He blasted the yeye king to the extend all other kings and journalists laughed at the useless toothless king. Lol.

Now I will have to conclude you have lost touch with this discussion darling!

I mean, bible and quran outrightly spelt it out that human should be killed. God in the bible march armies and get directly involved in the massacres. Jehovah spearheaded Crusade. Allah too commanded Muslims should kill people in his name. Such outright condemnation cannot be found in Ifa.

I have no business with Buhari or FFK crap.

PeaceLoveJoy:
This Ifa corpus is what I am interested in for now. He boasted it is over 200,000 pages. I dont understand how someone can be boastful of what he has not seen fully or read himself. Just imagine the claim of all the subjects this single book covers - anatomy, pharmaceutical science, geography, biology, chemistry, and bla bla.bla....only one book? What kind of behavior is that? He is boastful of what he has not seen but not allowed to release.

If you interested in Ifa corpus, then get yourself some books.

Àwọn Ojú Odu mẹ́rìndínlógún
Ohun enu ifa vol 1&2 all written by Prof Abimbola.

There is also Ifism: The Complete Work of Orunmila
Book by C. Osamaro Ibie which discuss the philosophy of Ifa. These books are available in both online and offline stores.

The principal Odu is 16. Each odu has 16 secondary Odu, making 256 odus in total. Each Odu has more than 5000 verses. Note also, I mentioned that Ifa is continually evolving. Some of the events in the recent past will be integrated in the corpus and surely invoke powers.

When the other person said Ifa entails biology, astronomy, chemistry and computer science, the evidence are all there. You just have to study each verses and map out the essences yourself. You shouldn't expect us to sit you down and analyse each Odu to you.

PeaceLoveJoy:
Fooli..shness in the highest order I call it. You are saying something is real, but you are not allowed to show it all in details even you have read it. Is that not ma.dness? What are they hiding? It is why I said that he should go and meet his papas and mamas in the religion and tell them to release everything. GoFundMe is there to support the project. We will put it online electronically and save them the cost. But no, they will never allow it. Yet , their madn.ess will allow them blame the white without any conscience everytime. The Bible was made of secret for a long time, but some people declassified it. And then, we got the truth how they tampered with the original bible while declassifying it. So, we know why they didnt want to make it public in those days. The same thing applies to these papas and mamas. They want to keep people in the dark. And they cannot keep me there but only people like you who believe their stu.pidity. This is why they and their yeye powerless powers culturs and traditions will continue to be unpopular more and more till they are buried and totally forgotten forever. This is what will happen to them.

Stop spewing gibberish about the bible. It does not contain any science and technology. Is it not the same Bible that said Sun stood still as if it was moving? Abeg cut the crap.

If you want to seek knowledge, go to the source. Hook up with Babalawo to share from their wealth of knowledge. Classified information are not to be shared with swine. You know?

PeaceLoveJoy:
It is filled with darkness. Nothing good in it. Filled with secrets and shameless way of life. If anyone is sure, let the person come out and declassify it. What has the Ooni of Ife, Allafin of Oyo Obi of Benin been doing all these years and not think of declassifying these things? Are you saying they too dont have access to these things? In 2021? Or are you saying they dont have the fund? What about all allocations, gifts, and even tips from government and foreign bodies they have been "choping" all these years? Can they not use just a small fraction to do it? Rather, they prefer to still be deceiving the few ones who believe them. And politicians keep them as tools for election days. Lol. Yes, I agree with Sunday Ighodo. These kings are yeye tools in the hands of the politicians. Let those guys be deceiving you, and you too following them like mu.mu.

A beg say something else.

Listen to yourself Sweetheart. Are you making sense to yourself?

PeaceLoveJoy:
Which justice done with the way OP just made useless claims without properly backing them up?

This is African traditions, Yoruba esp, which is largely documented by the Europeans who are biased and unreliable. The primary source of Ifa spiritual system is Odu-Ifa and Pataki; much of which are not penned except some excerpts in books and audio. These snippets are not profound also. So I guess OP is using a general idea of Ifa system.

For one, I will admit there were human sacrifices in Yoruba society in the ancient past. But this practice is peculiar with the Political system rather than Ifa system. We had Abobaku who are killed when a king die. We had prisoners of war who are sacrificed to confederate deities. A good example is Moremi Ajasoro who sacrificed her son to the Esimirin divinity so as to save her people from Ugbo Marauders. All these have been abolished many years back. However, this does not apply to Ifa system. Note, the OP focuses on Ifa spiritual system (Ifa religion).

Ifa corpus mentioned the items used in process of worshipping Ifa.

Ọtí aboda (Gin)
Ata ti o siju (pepper)
Obi ti o lado (Kolanut)
Ewure meji bamu rederede (Goat).

That verse is from Obara Meji (7th principal odu) as written in Awon Oju Odu Merindinlogun by Prof. Wande Abimbola.

Ifa also prescribe sacrifices for other divinities, and there has been no mention of human sacrifices in any of the Odus. I know fresh water, dog blood, palm wine, and obi is used as sacrifice to Ogun divinity. Duck or fowl is used for Yemoja divinity, palm oil or he-goat for Esu, etc. Not one deity accept human sacrifice.

Ideadoctor:
I have some contrary opinion to your prepositions.
1) Jesus is not a Greek God, nor was he a human creation, the Jews bear testimony to his existence, likewise the Greeks, the Romans,the Arabs and all civilized institutions, so nobody can actually come out with bold excuse to deny his being.

Not a single contemporary historian during supposedly Jesus days on earth wrote about him or any event related to him. Jesus is simply an invention, man crafted divinity, and fictitious being. He is nothing more than John Frum of the Cargo cult.

Ideadoctor:
2) Christianity is not a white man religion, it is the religion of humanity, Jesus said" go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations ", Matthew 28:19, Jesus never said of white nation, he said of all nation, irrespective of their color or race. Mind you Christianity never developed from the west,it origin was from Palestine. Black people in their quest to break free from slavery ,denied everything about their master including the religion, they find only a racial solace in African indigenous religion.

Christianity was fashioned, by the Roman Government, from Jewish Judahism. Roman empire and the annexed byzantine empire are under Europe.

Ideadoctor:
3) IFA is not perfect, Africans practices IFA with devotion but still they lack the real essence of humanity which is love,Africans practiced IFA but still they sold their brothers to slavery, they practiced IFA but still they support human sacrifices ( mind you, babalawos do not deny human sacrifice so be informed, they do it,but now that civilization has come,they couldn't come out to do it openly again) but the same whites were those who fought for the abolishment of slave trade, the American civil war was as a result of slave trade,people who fought for the abolition included a lot of white politicians and people, why were they ready to sacrifice their live to stop slave trade? Because, they knew Christianity was against it.

What is love?

A religion centred on eternal condemnation through suffering in hell cannot speak of love. Someone who claim to love a person would never condemn the loved person to eternal suffering. Which kind love be that?

It is only in Christianity disciples are commanded to HATE parents, siblings, and relatives. Zero tolerance to other religion and faith.

If you want to understand what love is, and true meaning of tolerance, get to know more about Ifa spirituality.

Ideadoctor:
4) IFA support demonic possession and witch craft. Every IFA priest or babalawo reverenced and fear the witches,in fact they call the witches, eyin Iya" which means" our mothers" babalawos works hand to hand with witches,not only that,demonic possession is an obvious thing in IFA,remember shango olukoso who was possesses by jakuta the fire breathing demon,he ended his life in misery, if it were not to be a demonic possession, he would not have dies the way he died.

You don't understand the duality of nature. While the whole universe is made up of matter, do you know there are anti-matter too?

There is always a negative and positive sides of all elements and forces. All these form a balances and existence.

Concept of demon, satan, devil, sin and eternal condemnation are not present in Ifa spirituality.

Ideadoctor:
My greatest conviction of the flaws of IFA is that,a true religion appeals to humans without much deliberation IFA never appeal to men until they are been enticed by it secrecy,mind you bro,if you walk the path of IFA, your life would be wearied by knowledge of sorrow and mystery,I am saying this from experience, if you study IFA you will surely acquire knowledge and wisdom, but I tell you,you would wish you never know them at the first instance, Jesus is the only way

Seek knowledge buddy.

Wow I am impressed. Justice has been done on the thread. Alale a gbe yín for upholding Yoruba heritage.

MuttleyLaff:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1rai6WoOJU

02:03 Yeah, the famous story of the building of Babylon.
02:05 But, check this out.
02:06 When biblical authors like Moses or Isaiah looked back at the origins of Babylon,
02:11 they saw more than just a human rebellion, but also a spiritual rebellion.
02:16 What was this spiritual rebellion?
02:18 Well, there were members of the divine council who, like the humans, didn't want to represent God's authority anymore.
02:25 They wanted to be God and they rebelled.
02:27 So these created beings deceived humans into worshipping them instead of the Creator.
02:33 And so, Babylon becomes the biblical image for the combined human and spiritual rebellion .
02:40 So God scatters the people from Babylon into different nations.
02:44 In the book of Deuteronomy, Moses says this is when God also scattered the rebels of the divine council with them.
02:51 So the nations are handed over to spiritual rulers.
02:54 Yes. This is why when the biblical prophets look out at the violent empires of their day,
02:59 they see two dimensions to all the chaos and injustice:
03:02 human rebels, who are being corrupted by the worship of spiritual rebels -
03:07 the idol gods of money, sex, and military power.
03:10 Yeah, when humans give their allegiance to these powers it leads to a world like ours.
03:15 Right. The best example of this is the story of the Exodus
03:18 where we are told that the Egyptian genocide of the Israelites was inspired by Pharaoh and by the gods of Egypt.
03:25 That is really intense.
03:27 But it is not the end of the story.
03:28 When God rescued the Israelites from Egypt and its gods,
03:31 He invited them to become His covenant partners and learn a different way of ruling the world.
03:37 And they agree to it.
03:38 But, in the end, they do not honor the partnership.
03:41 They give their allegiance to other gods.
03:43 This leads to their exile in Babylon where they become slaves once again
03:48 to a foreign nation and their spiritual rulers, awaiting a new exodus into freedom.
03:53 This is where the story of Jesus picks up.

You sha like to dey wine me. I asked a question and all you could present is a video and transcript. Dem tell you say I no get data to watch video?

Secondly why you no dey check your mail. I don send you some emails since God knows when but you no gree acknowledge receipt.

Working on a related topic, evolution of Jehovah, liken to human evolution, and historical buildup of jesus and his Apostles. Watchout

Unfortunately, that person called Jesus who raised up Zombies and fly around town like a superman doesn't exist.

MuttleyLaff:
Quit hiding behind the "You still don't see the contradictions in the picture? Then I may not be able to help you" bs camouflage. I had already explained to you that one was a bird eye view account and the other was was a fleshed account. Were you told that there was a convention of normal chronology followed in especially the second accounts ni? I dont think you'll say there was. Quit taking the Bible to be a comprehensive history book,

You now call the Jahwist and Elohist sources drone and fleshed accounts? One thing is that you are admitting there are inaccuracies, inconsistencies, discrepancies, and contextual errors which disallowed the two sources from agreeing on same cast, play content, and theme.

Right there, I wasn't saying the bible is an history book, but it attempted conveying an event, giving account into historical matters, but in so doing, give double contradicting accounts. The first chapter of genesis is writing by the Elohist, while the second chapter is writing by Yahwist.

MuttleyLaff:
You're worsening by the minute, with all this your desperation and extreme behaviour to spread lies that I havent read the Ugarit text, even when you read me to have typed the following in 2017:
"The phonetic similarity between the name Yahweh and Yw, which occurs only in a single text (i.e. KTU 1.1 IV 14) ends right there
Yahweh is Yahweh and is not synonymous with Yw or Yawu
Yahweh is El, ''the self-existing all-powerful authority influence'' - God"

This is why I deduced from your previous post that you haven't read enough, and now also, you still need to read more.

Don't you know yhwh known as yahweh is also called yw as in Yaw/yah from hallelujah? There is a psalm that pointed outrightly that his name is JAH from jw/yw. Yawu is simply a pronunciation of ywhw.... Abeg bros go read.

MuttleyLaff:
What's going on here? What is your problem really gangan sef, hmm?
Where did you read anyone on this thread typed about anything being forgotten, huh?

Oga go service your medulla

These are your words

Why is the true meaning of YHWH aka Yahweh unknown or why in the first/last place, lmso, is the meaning lost?


Unknown and lost is same with forgotten.

MuttleyLaff:
You must have just learnt the phrase "theological gloss invention" as so the reason, you cant wait to at the drop of a hat start haphazardly using it. Dont worry you'll soon wear it out from overuse, lmso

The I AM is simply a theological gloss invention. Moses didn't use that as a name anywhere. He simply tell Israelites and Pharaoh that Yahweh sent him. The I AM THAT I AM is simply fraud.

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah, thats right and serves you right. That went swoosh over your head as if twas Naija Airforce MiG jet fighter planes flying low overhead

Can you start showing sign of coherency sir? I ain't here for joke.

MuttleyLaff:

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1/ Do you recognise whose is the immediate above quotation?
2/ Do you recognise who with the emboldened, it was introduced "inheritance"?
3/ Do you recognise who is mixing God up, with the mythology deities Yw, aka Yahweh or Yawu and El, hmm?
4/ Do you remember the following below quote, that I had you cc'ed on, hmm?
"The Igbos, and the Yorubas, just as like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God (i.e. Acts 17:23-31)

Now, the thing is, God wants, us having a relationship with Him, and not having a relationshit with god(s) You cannot practice consulting the dead, practice ancestor worship or practice spiritism and be a follower of the one and only true God (i.e. Deuteronomy 18:10-13)"
5/ Still on the mention and matter of the "People/Men of Athens" touched from #4 above, please go study up on Acts 17:26's "From one man He created all the nations throughout the whole earth. He decided beforehand when they should rise and fall, and He determined their boundaries" in order for you to grasp the message in Deuteronomy 32:8-9

"⁸Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
⁹“All this I will give You, he said, “if You will fall down and worship me."
- Matthew 4:8-9

"³And the devil said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”
⁴And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE.’”
⁵And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
⁶And the devil said to Him,
“I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish."
- Luke 4:3-6

With the above two scripture passages, is as far as I can lead and shine a light for you getting to see the answer(s) to your question, lmso. Its at this juncture, you're on your own to go figure the rest by yourself, lmso

Hahahaha. Egbon you just shot yourself in the foot. Like really?

Deut 32:10-12

10. He found him in a desert land
And in the wasteland, a howling wilderness;
He encircled him, He instructed him,
He kept him as the [a]apple of His eye.

11. As an eagle stirs up its nest,
Hovers over its young,
Spreading out its wings, taking them up,
Carrying them on its wings,

12. So the Lord alone led him,
And there was no foreign god with him.


Psalm 78:71
From following the ewes that had young He brought him, To shepherd Jacob His people, And Israel His inheritance.



Those two verses tell us that Yahweh inherited Israel from whomever, nurtured Israel like a sheep, without any interference from foreign Gods. But here Mr Muttley is telling us Devil aka Satan is the owner of the kingdom of Israel, justifying his own side with another fabulous tale in the new testament.

Do tell us sir.

1. Is Satan/Devil same character as Yahweh. After all they share traits.

2. When did Satan/Devil took possession of Israel from Yahweh?

MuttleyLaff:
Ọgbẹni, are you having a laugh with the above screenshot ni? Mtcheew

You still don't see the contradictions in the picture? Then I may not be able to help you

MuttleyLaff:
Let me repeat yet again, please don't ask me to go and read, what I have a long time ago read about. Do a search using the search strings "Ugarit and Cyrus Cylinder" with my ID to read on some of my submissions going way back three years ago at least

I read the discussion between you, sarassin and pastoraio. But your post then and now exposes that you have not picked, let alone look into the ugarit texts. Therefore I can always direct you to go and read it.

MuttleyLaff:
Where and/or when did I say, YHWH aka Yahweh is the same thing with I AM, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, fyi the word Yahweh, is a descriptor and is not all God's personal name. The word Yahweh, as a matter of fact, comes from a root word that means "to become," which is from how God told Moshe aka Moses to the tell the Israelites that "I will become what I choose to become" is who sent him to them when he, Moshe, asked for God's name. God sidestepped giving Moshe aka Moses any name but instead offered him the Yahweh descriptor (i.e. I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become)

MuttleyLaff:
Now the questions you should seriously be asking yourself answers for are:
1/ Why is the true meaning of YHWH aka Yahweh unknown or why in the first/last place, lmso, is the meaning lost?

Was it really forgotten? How come we remember the name now? Or is it simply an invention, like you posited on the other thread, that Jehovah is simply an invention?

MuttleyLaff:
2/ Why did God not tell Moshe aka Moses to tell the Israelites that it was YHWH aka Yahweh who sent him to them to have them delivered from enslavement.

Moses told Pharaohs Yahweh sent him. The "I AM" in Exodus is simply theological gloss invention.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ Which of the word, YHWH aka Yahweh and I AM, has demonstrated profound intense effect, that is/are biblically verse quoted proven

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MuttleyLaff:
What I said, which I suspected you wouldnt get, is that YHWH aka Yahweh and El Elyon are the same and one only Being

Hahahahaha

Is that how you read Dueteronomy 32:8-9? That Elyon inherited Israel.... Can you tell us from whom?

MuttleyLaff:
You were telling me a shed load of codswallop, that El or Elyon, is the father of Yahweh, who gave out his possession to his children, Chemosh, Baal, Yahweh, etc, so obviously I stepped over your pulled right out of a confused dot com regurgitate, to rightly inform you that the only begotten Son, that God has, is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and not any of your mythical gods mentioned in the likes of deities of Chemosh, Baal, et cetera. Now tell me what in all that did you not easily understand, hmm?

I volunteered "protoevangelium", as an explanation that stems from the beginning, but what did I get back in return for the gesture?, A literal throwback smack right back in my face. No problemo.

Let's try with another angle and approach then. Are you familiar with the promise God made to Abraham about from his seed will all nations of the earth be blessed, hmm? Seven different ocasssion are the number of times God reiterated His promise to Abraham, with the theme being: "I will bless you and make your descendants into a great nation. You will become famous and be a blessing to others"

Fyi, YHWH aka Yahweh and/or El Elyon, inherited Israel following a prolonged and arduous process. lmso.

Inherited from who?

MuttleyLaff:
Ọgbẹni, there is no contradiction in the bible, and there are no contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2. What you misinterpret as "contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2" is a bird eyes view bare bones account and a flesh out account providing more information about creation, completing the narration by adding details, that's all.

You advisedly need to seriously clear the cobwebs from your head.

https://i0.wp.com/unsettledchristianity.com/wp-content/upLoads/2015/02/creation-stories.jpg

MuttleyLaff:
El or Elyon is not a father of any Yahweh. and fyi, Elyon means ''Most High'' with El Elyon means ''God Most High'' while YHWH, vocalised or articulated as Yahweh, is a descriptor word about God, that means ''I AM'', aka ''I AM, I AM'', aka ''I AM THAT I AM'', aka ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL BE'', aka ''I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE'' et cetera

KTU 1.1 IV 14 says:

sm . bny . yw . ilt

The name of the son of god, Yahweh.


https://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

Compare with Deuteronomy 32:8-9
The unrevised text would have read thus:


בְּהַנְחֵל עֶלְיוֹן גּוֹיִם בְּהַפְרִידֹו בְּנֵי אָדָם

יַצֵּב גְּבֻלֹת עַמִּים לְמִסְפַּר בְּנֵי שֹׁר־אֵל

וַיְהִי חֵלֶק יהוה עַמֹּו יַעֲקֹב חֶבֶל נַחֲלָתֹו

When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance,

when he divided humankind,

he set the bounds of the peoples

according to the number of Bull El’s children,

and Yahweh’s portion was his people,

Jacob, the lot of his inheritance.

https://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2008/04/elyon-bull-el-a.html

Note that most revised versions rendered Bull El"s children as Elyon children, Most High children, sons of God, children of the divine, child of Adam etc.

Now, who is Bull El? It is the same El, father of Yahweh. Remember the children of Israel worship the a golden calf when moses returned from the Mount when he went to get the stone tablet. That golden calf is the symbol of El.

Away from that,
Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh

I repeat yet again, please go and read.

MuttleyLaff:
When I asked you to tell me who or what you are, I was expecting you to replying with something in the line of: "I am FOLYKAZE" "I am married with two lovely kids" "I am a hardworking honest specimen of a male human being" "I am known not to be lazy nor shy from earning a decent good day's work" et cetera

The descriptor "I AM" is very powerful in revealing who and what you are. You obviously and no doubt behave in accordance to what and who "I AM" you are lmso.

I AM has no relationship with Yahweh.

I AM THAT I AM or Ehyeh aser ehyeh, has not found favour among scholars and has been viewed as a late theological gloss invented after the true meaning of Yahweh's had been lost.

Yahweh is not same thing with I AM. Try another twist.

MuttleyLaff:
I want to believe that we both agree and accept that Elyon isnt a title exclusively used for God aka YHWH or Yahweh, as the term, is equally used for El or Baal by the Canaanites.

I hope you agree and accept too, that its true Melchizedek didnt know and never acknowledged he is a priest of God aka YHWH or Yahweh, that all Melchizedek knew was that he is a priest of El Elyon (i.e. a priest of God, the Most High) Melchizedek identifies with the one and truly El Elyon, whose has the descriptor Yahweh, and its meaning to be what He wants to be well known and famed for but doesn't know
and he so unable to recognise El Elyon's descriptor Yahweh designate as being good or important enough for him to mention when he was blessing Abraham. All this bit juncture information might be unfamiliar to you, and already prolly flown past over your head, so I'll just pause here, so we both catch a breather, lmso

What are you saying?

Yahweh and El are two different deities. What is hard for you to grab here?

MuttleyLaff:
The only begotten Son, God has is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and not any of your mythical gods mentioned in the likes of deities of Chemosh, Baal, et cetera.

Did I tell you Chemosh is the son of Yahweh?


You should tell us, since you claimed you know, where and from whom Yahweh inherited Israel from if he was the original owner.

MuttleyLaff:
Did you practice at all what you preach? Do you walk your talk? I doubt you do either, because if you did do, you would be repeating I should explained, what I already have explained in my response back to you, but of course you didnt red or didnt read well enough what I typed, so the reason why you repeat yourself.

Now fyi, Psalms 24:1 states that: "The earth and everything on it, including its people, belong to the LORD. The world and its people belong to Him" and when God, in Exodus 33:19, says: "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion", then now, give me a reason why should Israel not be possessed and/or owned by God? Pfft. Smh sigh.

Oga I am repeating myself, for your own good abeg go and read. There are more than one sources of the scripture. One from the Elohist and the other from Yahwist. This is the reason we have contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2. You don't pick one source and trash the other.

Majority of the hymn in Psalm are from the Elohist sources, having reflection of ugarit text and tales from ancient canaan documents. A critical example is Psalm 82. Go figure.

Therefore sir, if you've read extensively, maybe you have taken your time to compare and contrast the ugarit text, you would find that Psalm 24:1 you cited up there was referring to El or Elyon, the father of Yahweh, who gave out his possession to his children, Chemosh, Baal, Yahweh, Molek etc.

Again sir, go and read. But if you insist you already know and do not want to read, explain the transfer of ownership, through inheritance, of the land and people of Israel. How could they the authentic owner of something turn out inheriting it.

I gave you a clue in Duet 32:8-9
When the Most High (‘elyôn) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.

Elyon was the rightful owner. He gave Israel to Yahweh.... Because yahweh is the son of El... Not so?

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, fyi the word Yahweh, is a descriptor and is not all God's personal name. The word Yahweh, as a matter of fact, comes from a root word that means "to become," which is from how God told Moshe aka Moses to the tell the Israelites that "I will become what I choose to become" is who sent him to them when he, Moshe, asked for God's name. God sidestepped giving Moshe aka Moses any name but instead offered him the Yahweh descriptor (i.e. I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become)

Yahweh has no reasonable meaning in hebrew. As a matter of fact, the name has no relationship with I AM.

Try another twist

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, who are you FOLYKAZE? Who you be FOLYKAZE? Who you FOLYKAZE? Please, in one sentence, begin to start tell, who and/or what you are? I think you're getting the gist now, lmso, of about how God used the descriptor "I AM" expression to describe and identify Himself instead of and/or rather than giving in, to revealing to Moshe aka Moses, lmso, what His personal name is.

I am the son of my father. Just like Yahweh is the son of his father, El. Much of this information are contained in the ugarit text

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, God changes not. God doesnt evolve and hasn't been in any evolved jagbanjatis nonsense business. It is human beings, that from the beginning were designed to evolve, lmso (i.e. Genesis 1:26-27) Why not please tell us what is the difference and omission you notice in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 1:27? Then up the stake by comparing with Genesis 5:1 with Genesis 5:3, lmso, hmm?

cc: Blabbermouth

I saw a tyrannical vicious fearsome and bloodsucking beast in Yahweh of the Old testament, that evolved into loving and caring deity in Jehovah of new testament. That is evolution

MuttleyLaff:
Smh sighing yawn.

Are you sure you are able to back up this reckless and careless statement purporting I insisted to "... have already know and do not reading more" sic. Why are people your sort so fond of fabricating things up, and taking needless pot shots at friendly interlocutors, lmso, huh?

I told you to read and gave you area of concentration. Your response is that I am telling you what you already know... Shebi na because say you no won read?

Oga go and read.... Na opata you dey yarn around

MuttleyLaff:
Are you familiar with the phrase "protoevangelium", hmm? God needed a human body in order to fulfil the "protoevangelium"
If you really want it explained to you when and where Yahweh inherited Israel from according to Psalm 78:71, then I simply will let you know that it all got hatched in the Garden of Eden, then at the appointment time, Abram was approached, then from Jacob aka Israel, a man, to Israel, the nation, was birthed. It is from this God’s own people, Israel, that the seed of Abram/Abraham will be a saving grace, redemption, salvation reconciliation blessing of the whole wide world back to God. Praise God. Alleluia.

Oga, I asked you to explain how, when and from whom Yahweh inherited Israel from according to Psalm 78:71. Nothing concern me with protoevangelium.

If Yahweh is the ultimate owner of the whole world land and populace, how come he Inherited Israel? Why should Israel be apportioned to him in Deut 32:8-9?

MuttleyLaff:
I dont have to tell you that reading up is my pastime.

"¹Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-five years. His mother’s name was Hephzibah.
²And he did evil in the sight of the LORD by following the abominations of the nations that the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
³For he rebuilt the high places that his father Hezekiah had destroyed, and he raised up altars for Baal. He made an Asherah pole, as King Ahab of Israel had done, and he worshiped and served all the host of heaven.
⁴Manasseh also built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD had said, “In Jerusalem I will put My Name.”
⁵In both courtyards of the house of the LORD, he built altars to all the host of heaven.
⁶He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced sorcery and divination, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did great evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger.
⁷Manasseh even took the carved Asherah pole he had made and set it up in the temple, of which the LORD had said to David and his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will establish My Name forever.
⁸I will never again cause the feet of the Israelites to wander from the land that I gave to their fathers, if only they are careful to do all I have commanded them— the whole Law that My servant Moses commanded them.”
⁹But the people did not listen and Manasseh led them astray, so that they did greater evil than the nations that the LORD had destroyed before the Israelites.
- 2 Kings 21:1-9

You always like telling me things I already know. Why not try telling me something I dont already know or try show me how to suck eggs, erhn, lmso, hmm?

I hope you know what in Genesis 12:1, happened to Abram later to be called Abraham, lmso. You see Manasseh in 2 Kings 21:1-9 was one of the many, turning back the hand of the clock and times with doing a Proverbs 26:11's "As when a dog goes to his own vomit, and becomes abominable, so is fool who returns in his wickedness to his own sin" and/or even also doing the 2 Peter 2:22's "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud"

PS: You interjected while I was responding to another comment you made on another post. I am, I think 80-90% done finished writing up, so watch out for notification of it, lmso

For an umpteen time, you need to read up sir.

But if you insist you have already know and do not reading more, could you explain when and where Yahweh inherited Israel from according to Psalm 78:71?

MuttleyLaff:
The sons of God in Job 1:6, that came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them, were human beings, just as Job was (i.e. greatest of the whole and all sons from the east, long ago or formerly - Job 1:3) Period.

You need to read up friend

The son of God are the seventy children of Asherah. They form the second tiers of the council/assembly of the divines. The supreme leader of the pantheon is El....

God introduced himself to Moses as Jehovah/Yahweh, a name not known to moses' progenitor, Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. These people know a deity only as Shaddai, an epithet of Canaanite Supreme God known across the semitic countries as El.

El, the Elyon, known as the Most High is the father of Yahweh. The Ugarit text record that El is the father of yw. The history of Yahweh is traced to the nomadic known as Shasu. The bible recorded same in Deut 32:8.

The evolution of Yahweh formed from assimilation of El, Baal, Asherah, and Anat.

Religion of ancient Israel has gone through development and growth since 1400 BCE. It grew from Henotheism into Polytheism and finally took on monotheism after the return from Babylonian exile under in the reign of Josiah who invoke polemic on Baal and Asherah by instituting Yahweh cult as a state religion.

Beyond religion formations, Israelites are historically from Canaan. Their culture also reflect that of Canaanite. All the accounts in the Exodus are completely made up conspiracy.

Yahweh had evolved, and has continually evolve. Jesus, saints and Mary are now been brushed up into pantheons, that people now worship Jesus and Mary today.

Everything evolve, God inclusive.

Thanks

Ladycewhy:
let me ask you a question, will you gladly celebrate the birthday of your 60 years old son, who still stays under your roof ,not married, no job, still depends on you for pocket money?


Nigeria can be likened to a 60 years old man still staying under he roof of his father. Produces nothing,can't even refine its own oil, raved by insecurity,dines with terrorists, picks its teeth with tribalism and nepotism, eats and drinks corruption.

Yadayada!

Always finding reasons to pass the blame unto others. What have you contributed to the development of this nation? It is not all about leaders. The change you want begins with you

MuttleyLaff:
"Toba to asiko lati su, idi a la, idi ti la lati ana nau. Mi oni sọ ju bayen lọ"

Oniseyin je. E se o. Eku aduro ti. Agba yin a da ale o. E se lopolopo

MuttleyLaff:
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Mr Muttley, I sent you a mail. Did you receive it? Please respond sire. Thanks

dobnina:
Oga, seriously, you've got no shame.
Your wife was here to beg for baby things
You were here to beg for hospital bills
Now you are back again to beg for feeding of your family.
Pls find something doing no matter how small.
You are a man. You should learn to be responsible.
We all have our financial struggles.
Nobody has it easy anywhere.
Stop depending on outsiders
Get on your feet and hustle like the man you are.

Please ma, if I had other possible options, I wouldn't be here over and over begging. Look at the history of my account on this forum, I wasn't all over begging until this year when things turn sour. I have a job. January this year, I started out as cocoa merchant apprentice. It is a year training. My boss died after some serious ailment in June and the association gave me a chance to run my own business since my Boss is late. I repaired my boss motorcycle and use it to source for cocoa seeds. This is what armed robbers took away from me.

Look at it critically ma. I am not begging for feeding or a new motorcycle or unwarranted paycheck. Nobody owe me anything. I said I want a little assistance to help me get back on my feet. I have been at home for a couple of days but it makes me sick. I really want to do something, I am only looking for means...nothing more. I hope you will see where I am driving at here.

Foodqueen, UDUJ, ggirl4real, Evolutionlove

I think I only mentioned my new baby in reference to when my wife had attack and needed emergency surgical operation to save her life and that of the baby. I planned for natural delivery at General Hospital, not caesarean delivery at Mother&child. Sometimes, the unforseen happen and can be catastrophic.

This isn't really about my baby. I have been rendered useless by Armed Robbers who took away the only means of my livelihood. I have my job, but I am impotent when I don't have tools. These guys took away a motorcycle we use to source cocoa beans from farm settlements. I am not asking for people to get me a new motorcycle. I am only asking for any assistance to help me get back to my feet.

It is with shame that I return to Nairaland for cyber begging. Few months ago, I was here soliciting for help when my wife and our new baby were in critical health condition and needed urgent medical care, and I appreciate every little contributions from good people who extended love and kindness to myself and family.

Armed robbers burgled our apartment on Wednesday 9th Sept at around 9pm. It rained heavily and I was indoor when I heard a knock and reached out to the door to see who was knocking. About three men came in, armed with a local pistol and cutlasses
After about 10 minutes harassment, they took away my phone, and some cash I had left with me. They went away a motorcycle which I usually use to source for cocoa beans in farm settlements. I reported the case to the police immediately in the morning, but nothing is really happening since then. Everything I have is gone, including the motorbike which serve as my only means and source of income. Things are just unbearable since Thursday morning with me and my family.

My wife, after she had successful cs, she is placed on some drugs. I have been unable to get money to buy these drugs. All efforts to raise as little for home keeping is near impossible. I have tried to reach major produce merchants for soft loans but I was denied because I have no means of reimbursement yet. A middle man from Ondo town gave me N55,000 on Monday to source for one bag of cocoa. I have gotten 29kg and given it to him already. I owe him about 20k cash which these bastards took away from me. With such situations, he wouldn't give me a penny as soft loan.

Right now, it isn't about the money I owed middlemen or dealers. The couple of days I sat at home, doing nothing, hopeless, helpless, penniless, and been unproductive can be sickening. I just can't shake it off my head. This is the reason I am begging on my knees for help from you fellas.

Yes, I was here months ago but the situation is messy yet again. I will appreciate every token you can contribute to help me get my feet back up. I can't help but beg as the last option since there are no more options for me out there. Most importantly, I do not want to become idle or do illegal stuff. Please nairaland, come to my rescue.

UBA 2079664080

MuttleyLaff:
That's a sign warning you that you are swimming against the tide, critical thinking and informed knowledge

Research and relay information will tell and let you know that the Migdal Bavel was never physically built



We have verses in Old Testament (e.g. Psalm 9:17 et cetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it actually was Yahushua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in the New Testament, who with shedding more light on the subject, brought things into their proper and clearer perspective for us, when He shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol, with the story of the Rich Man, being elsewhere and then Abraham, with the Poor Man, being on a different side. Remember that, just like because you're telling a joke, it doesnt necessarily mean, the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality in it, so is the case with the parable of the rich man and poor man, or even FOLYKAZE's tortoise story

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MuttleyLaff:
OK ooo

Hello Muttley. I sent you a mail from folaboladiye@yahoo.com. Please its urgent, check and respond through that addy

The Song of Solomon was thought to be the oldest love poem; but all of that changed with the discovery and decipherment of cuneiform. The oldest love poem in the world is now recognized as The Love Song of Shu-Sin dated to 2000 BCE, long before The Song of Solomon was written.

In the ancient time, romance, love and sex is part of their lifetime