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obonujoker:
Who told you God hates it??

Isn't it God that created all and gave man dominion??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHnvxtu3rU

God didn't build Burj Khalifa. It is man's doing

Maximus69:
The people were truly united as you rightly said but not for something benefitial!

Today the disunity in the world is not as a result of the difference in language but Politics!

That's why Jehovah called us his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} even though we come from different races and tongues and national groups {Micah 4:1-3} we speak as one family, so neither the sea, skin colour nor language can break our Unity, Jehovah's Witnesses are one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. John 17:21-23 compare to Psalms 133:1

This is a fulfilment of Bible prophecies that says people will come from different races and form a global family under the God of Israel and they will be using his laws to rule amongst themselves! Isaiah 2:2-4

All these will be happening when all other religions failed to unite their people, that's why Micah said all the people will walk in the name of their gods but we will walk in the name of Jehovah our own God {Micah 4:5} then people from different races like me will be drawn to join in worshiping the one and only TRUE God who can make people from different races become one nation speak in agreement! Zephaniah 3:9

There can never be PEACE amongst all other peoples that's the one and only sign to prove that Jesus is real! John 14:27

As for the case of Nimrod being Lámúrúdu, let's leave that for now, it's irrelevant to the topic of discuss!

Oh really Max, it is cool you admitted the people at Babel were united. I assume you will agree that they are innovative and brilliant too.

The Tower of Babel is just the doorway into space exploration and architectural revolution of modern age. The thread is taking a beam light into the unity and innovative mind, a component God really despised, of the ancient people in the days of Nimrod.

Allow me to use ISS as an example. The three connection nodes of the International space station are called Unity, Harmony and Tranquility. All these are largely symbolic, and draw inspiration from Tower of Babel.

The first piece of ISS was launched by the US. It is called UNITY. Different countries launched and mated their modules with unity afterward. These countries include Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Japan, Russia and Canada. These are countries that had fought wars on earth many times. Germany and Japan fought the second world war against US and Europe until 1945, but 10yrs after they United, harmonised and allowed tranquility to reign for the success of ISS.

If you see the artistic depiction of the tower of babel, you would see a whole lot of benefits attached to it. Most of the benefits are reflected in ISS. It benefits cut across economy, education, scientific (botany and zoological) innovation, human health science, closer observation of the earth, space defence, awaken innovation and ideas, and whole lot more. How can you say space exploration isn't beneficial?

Unity cut across every sphere of life. But religious unity isn't beneficial to human at all. It is me against the world things. Unity can best be shown in science and tech.

Kobojunkie:
True but Christianity is assumed to have started in Rome.

You are right

Rilwayne001:
I want to believe the story to be more of metaphoric than of realistic.

All the stories in the bible are esoteric, having no basis in history.

But let us for once agree with our Christian brothers that the story is literal and historic. How come God was displeased with human unity and innovations?

Maximus69:
OK it wasn't just about their unity Sir, in fact they were doing so against God's will!

Oh well Max, please read in between the lines of Gen 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Highlighting the keynotes in the verse.

* The people is one. This connote that the whole world populace, from Shem to Ham and Jepheth all agreed to gear efforts toward one idea.

* they have all one language. This connote unity of effort and concentration of design geared toward the intended project.

* and this they begin to do. God saw they made progress, achieving the unachievable through strength of unity.

* and nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Imagination are dreams but can become a reality if all resources are pull together toward achieving dreams.

That verse 6 has everything that this thread is about. Unity and innovation.

A little reading further toward verse 7, and what you've stated indicates though that God disrupted the project progress by disunite these people. Disunity has been human biggest problems, and a God should advocate for human harmony.

Power struggle between America and Russia has left syria in ruins. Both America and Russia are united in space exploration. They collectively with three other countries built ISS and even sent many rockets into space which birth satellite communications on tv, radio, internet, GPS coordination, weather predictions, monitoring and preparations for defending our planet against collision. That is the power of unity.

Maximus69:
Remember God intended to have people FILL the earth and subdue it {Genesis 1:28} but Satan and his demons wanted to camp all of them in one place so that they can remain under Satan's control while Nimrod will be serving as Satan's agent (human King).
So the tower was intended to reach up to the heavens (skyscraper) in order to prevent them from drowning perhaps if God should bring back the rain that destroyed the past generation {Genesis 11:4 compare to Genesis 7:20} this means they're not prepared to do what pleases God but are planning to stop him from destroying them as he did if they made him angry!

Another good view, though its not solving the problem.

Max, I want you to take aback to Gen 9 and 10. These people have built just so many cities before they got to Shinah. The population was too small to fill the whole world, and filling of the world would be done gradually, not instantly. These people were innocently building their cities gradually. God wasn't really angry about city but Tower. But as you said, their intention could be to escape another deluge, however, bible said they only want to build something tall and magnificent so as to make a name for themselves.

But really, God was about scattering. Isn't scattering the root of human problem today? We've seen wars, we've seen divides and separation. Economic imbalances, political instabilities, social inequalities and civil unrest. Are these not results of scattering we are seeing today? Is division among human really God's plan?

Please read Psalm 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Compare 1 Peter 3:8 and 1 Corinthians 1:10

If God had wanted us to scatter, disunited, how come the psalmist and apostles thought it is way pleasant and better to dwell in unity?

Maximus69:
Nimrod (Lámúrúdu in Yorùbá) happens to be the first human King ever, he is the father of Odùduwà, that's why the fear of resisting his children from being king everywhere they go is in the minds of all men. Anywhere people see one of Nimrod's son or daughter they instantly make them Kings and Queens. Nimrod worshiped the demons so there is no culture on planet earth where Kings are enthroned before the advent of our colonial masters that people don't do human sacrifices before making a person their King or after the death of a king.
That's why God's word referred to Nimrod as a mighty hunter who is against God. Genesis 10:9
Satan really wanted to use him but God stopped that plan by making people speak different languages, that's what made them forget the tower and scattered all over the earth!
Of course the angels are not confused it's still the same language that we are speaking but to humans we find it really difficult to work together as one that very day because what is coming out from our mouths differs completely!

Erm!!, there is no one that bears the name Lamurudu. Let us not distort history.

I know who Nimrod is. However, the Bible didn't claim he was the builder of Babel and the significant tower. That claim is from Josephus in his writing about jewish history.

Let us focus on facts from bible at the moment. Thanks

MuttleyLaff:
"⁸In that way, the LORD scattered them all over the world, and they stopped building the city.
⁹That is why the city was called Babel, because that is where the LORD confused the people with different languages.
In this way he scattered them all over the world"
- Genesis 11:8-9

"Ibikan lati nmu bẹrẹ jẹ ẹkọ ati ọlẹlẹ" loosely translated mean "There's always a starting point on the eating plate where to have your first scoop of food"

Nimrod, united the people to gather together to profane God. God scuttled their plans to build the city and erect an iconic object depicting their contempt of and disdain to God. The point and place of the rebellion, treachery et cetera was named Babel, purely because that is where God confused everyone with different languages (i.e. that place was where the gathered to unite, plot and planned to carry out their evil intention)

The people that Nimrod gathered together were descendants of Ham, who was not given a blessing and neither a curse, but was given something worse, the silent treatment. I would have shared more details about Ham's descendants and especially Nimrod, but it's beyond the scope of this thread's limit

According to you, Nimrod gathered together the descendants of Ham.

But if I may ask, how did the descent of Shem and Japheth loose their lingual uniformity too? Did the confusion at Babel, later known as Babylon, affected the tongue of Shem and Japheth too?

Note also Gen 11:1-2. It was talking about the people of the whole world, moving toward the east. How come you only captured descendants of Ham, leaving behind shem and Japheth, as the world populace?

Ofemmanu1:
Hehehe
FOLYKAZE..
You and moon ehh!

Buzz Adrin called the moon surface a magnificent desolation. Maybe it should be populated with lives. Adrin was a christian I guess

Kobojunkie:
Well, Rome is where many consider the birth place of Christianity, remember.

Rome has been before Christianity.

MuttleyLaff:
People united by Nimrod, to commit treachery, infidelity, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, insubordination, idolatry, defiance, injustice, cruelty, absence of love, wickedness, covetousness, profanity et cetera

FOLY, you were interested in names weren't you. OK, what do you think Nimrod means in Hebrew. Nimrod, means rebel, and fyi, the man is an archetype of Satan. Yep, take it as an education that Nimrod is an archetype of Satan

Who are these people? Descents of Ham or the entire population on earth? Gen 11:1 should guide you with answers.

Nimrod built so many cities namely Babel , Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar according to Gen 10:10. Legend has it that he built Nineveh , Resen , Rehoboth-Ir and Calah. So unlike Ofemmanu1 posited, this isn't about city. There were just so many cities scattered around then. The Tower that reaches heaven is the problem here. Nimrod was a great hunter and a mighty king according to the bible.

And please note, even when Nimrod was not peculiarly mentioned in the bible as the builder of the tower, legend has it that Joktan the descent of Shem, and Phenech descent of Japheth all collaborated to build the tower of Babel at the center of Shinar.

Was Joktar and Phenech also evil persons? Or was the problem about Nimrod alone?

Maximus69:
OK FOLY i'm back, let's chat like friends.
Please i don't like derogatory comments and insults, it's better if we respect each other's opinion. There are many following, they will learn one or two things from our mature discussions but if it should be insults nobody can learn anything worthwhile.
So what exactly was your question about the tower of Babel?
Please pardon my query because i find it difficult going through lengthy posts, just simple and straightforward question is enough and easy for me to address!

Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disrupted the project by disunite them by confounding their language.

Seeing that human unity and invention has helped God's ministration, how come God despite human unity and innovation?

gabazin080:
from your previous post, I can see you are a Christian but why the sudden change and attack on a fellow Christian and insulting the name of God

Man suffering have helped me understand that there is no God that will help us eliminate our problems, and that human would have to come together to solve it one after the other

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, its actually you thats over stretching and making unnecessary extrapolation demands out of the event circa Genesis 11:2-9. Ofemmanu1, was very much on point, on almost all accounts than you were.

There defo were spiritual undertones and overtones going on. God is an Innovator. The Godhead practices unity, so why would you say that God hates righteous unity and/or innovative minds, hmm?. What God hates are: treachery, infidelity, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, insubordination, idolatry, defiance, injustice, cruelty, absence of love, wickedness, covetousness et cetera. Simple as that

Without demur, I concur with Ofemmanu1, read and be healed

Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disunite them by confounding their language.

MuttleyLaff:
"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the regioni of Shinar with the cities ofk Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calneh."
- Genesis 10:9-10

Of course, we were given a preview of Nimrod's character, make up, earlier life and antecedents at Genesis 10:9-10 before that, the infamous event, that happened at Genesis 11:2-4. Nimrod, was a badass person so Genesis 10:9 tells us, so due to the sort of person he was, he was the person who led the "they" to go plan, to gather together and make a name for themselves etcetera

Canaan was Nimrod's uncle. True, Cush was Nimrod's father ‎and it was Canaan who was cursed to be a servants of servants to his brothers etcetera. It is probably partly trying to shake off the curse of association, with Canaan, his uncle and Ham his grandfather, that was what propelled Nimrod to be more rebellious, audacious and ambitious.

So, yup, Nimrod and Co, the descendants of Ham, that's Ham, who was neither blessed nor cursed by Noah, were envious of Shem, whose name has two meanings. The first meaning is, "renown", "be known", "make a name for self" "have a prominent name for self" et cetera. The second/alternate/parallel meaning of Shem, is, dusky red, dusky complexion, complexion with some degree of dark coloration or olive coloured et cetera.

It is the first meaning, that's of particular interest here. The descendants of Ham, we're envious of Shem and his descendants' legacy. They, talking of Ham's descendants because of something in their gene, that still filtered through even after the flood destroying all bad people, coveted Shem and his descendants' heritage and so too, wanted to make a name for themselves, wanted to have name for themselves too, wanted to be renowned, be known all over the world, just the way Noah pronounced that blessing on Shem and his descendants. The descendants of Ham wanted all this, not because of God, not for the glory of God even not to glorify God by it, but was for the self centred reason of be known all over the place for themselves too. They wanted to make and have a name too for themselves.

Lastly and very significantly to note, is that, also, the erection of the tower, was going to typically reminiscence ‎Genesis 4:26b. It was literally them going to use the Tower to profane God's name. The final and successful erection of the high riding pointing in the sky tower, was going to be a symbol of sticking the middle finger up at God with it, as if saying go "f" yourself. God wasn't having any of that effrontery. He's had enough of Nimrod and the descendants of Ham's insolence and bad behaviour, that He came down to throw a spanner in their thoughts and so their plan effectively was disrupted.

Man looks at outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. God could see and smell them from 10 miles away, so before they got started, God came down to throw a spanner into their works.‎ Their plan was to make that the first tower and then replicate it to other places. That wasn't going to happen.

Yes, Nimrod and his company, attempted building the tower to get a name for themselves, have their own god(s) and be their own god, having no need for God and no need to call on His name.

Oh Muttley, where am I going to take all these from?

1. You stated that human 'race' descended the sons of Noah. The sons are Shem, Ham, and Japheth from whom the whole earth was populated.

2. You stated that Ham was cursed and became envious of Shem. Meanwhile, Genesis 9:25; 10:6 holds that Canaan, the son of Ham, much like Egypt and Cush, was the one cursed.

3. You posited that Nimrod, a descendant of Ham, called unto his brothers or relatives to build a city and a tower, meaning Shem or Jepheth descendants were excluded. Gen 11:1 indicate it is collective efforts of whole human populace.

4. During the time the construction was on, they spoke one language and uniformly built a magnificent structure that sparked fear in God. Their intention according to Gen 11 was to make a name for themselves. This is always the intention of any innovators. Thomas Edison is known for his inventions today.

5. God confounded their languages. It is not only Ham's but the entire world population because they were all involved.

6. The account has shown anything can be achieved through unity. God was scared of this and caused them to disunity. It states that Man achieved the Tower with unity and could achieve more through unity.

7. Human are curious minds. They were curious about the sky and built skyscrappers that reached heights. They built planes and rockets that can fly beyond sights. These are innovations that cropped out of Tower of Babel building.

nnekaike:
you must be greatly misinformed,they don't cover up for anything.

Says you..

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/

Ofemmanu1:
Somethings are better left undone.
Get that shit outta your mind pls.
Tame your mind, don't let it wander like a wild animal.

When I don listen to IMAGINE by John Lennon finish.

Owl city have wild imaginations too.

Sex on the moon with one partner isn't bad.

I wish my corpse can be fired into space in the future. Imagine that badass mummification

Ofemmanu1:
In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

In the Old Testament the city of Babylon gave birth to an empire that ruled the known world and imposed a worldview upon all of the peoples that she conquered. She could be brutal; she could be proud and she thought she would reign forever.

The story of Babylon is woven throughout the entirety of the Old Testament narrative. She is introduced to us in Genesis as “Babel”, the city were human beings decided to make a name for themselves in defiance of the word of God. Later she becomes the empire that destroys Jerusalem, burns the temple and takes the people of God into exile. She is the beast that almost swallowed the bride; but in the end, she is judged, despoiled and thrown down.

Her destruction is announced in Isaiah 47. In response to her wickedness, arrogance, self-indulgence and brutality towards the people of God the Lord pronounces a message of sudden doom:

But evil shall come upon you, which you will not know how to charm away; disaster shall fall upon you, for which you will not be able to atone; and ruin shall come upon you suddenly, of which you know nothing. (Isaiah 47:11 ESV)

And so it was.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls. The once great city – the Queen of the world! – was defeated, devastated and despoiled.

Just like God said.

Fast forward 630 years.

The city of Babylon is now little more than a village surrounded by a sea of sand. It is nothing and nowhere but it begins to reappear in the New Testament as a symbol of the world at war with God. The Apostle Peter even uses it as a sort of secret code. He ends his epistle to the churches of Pontus and Bithynia by saying:

She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.14 Greet one another with the kiss of love. Peace to all of you who are in Christ. (1 Peter 5:13–14 ESV)

She who is at Babylon.

Peter was nowhere near Babylon when he wrote that letter.

Peter was in Rome.

Peter used the word “Babylon” as a symbolic way of referring to the new world culture at war with the people of God. Peter was saying: Rome is the new Babylon. Rome is the new mistress who would seduce people away from their worship of God.

The city had become a spirit.

Fast forward to Revelation 17.

In Revelation 17 the reference to Babylon is obviously symbolic. John is carried away in the Spirit into the wilderness where he saw:

“a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. 5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.” (Revelation 17:3–6 ESV)

If you have been listening to the Into The Word podcast then you have heard me say now several times:

“The Book of Revelation is like an art gallery filled with pictures painted in colours borrowed from Old Testament canvases.”

So it is here!

By reading the Old Testament background we are well positioned to interpret this imagery. The LovePeddler of Babylon is the spirit of seductive culture, actively engaged in the deception and destruction of God’s people. That she rides upon the beast means that she is propped up by the forces of anti-Christian government.

Just like the beast, who was, and is not and is about to rise, the “LovePeddler” keeps on rising from the dead! A particular brand of her seductive charm may fall into the dust and be buried by the sands of time, but just wait! Before you know it, she will rise again in another place, known by another name but waging the same destructive war against God’s people. Once she was named “Babylon”, then she was named “Rome”, but in the future she will be called something else. Like a grotesque parody of the God-head, she was and is and is to come; but she is destined for destruction!

As it was in the past, so shall it be in the future.

While scholars may debate the precise interpretation of a few aspects of this vision, the main points of application seem abundantly clear:

1. Culture is not neutral.
2. The devil attacks God’s people via the front door through governmental persecution.
3. The devil attacks God’s people via the backdoor through seductive, idolatrous culture.
4. No enemy of God’s people will finally stand. The Lord has a day and that day is coming.

Thanks be to God!

My dear. Babylon is a geographical location in Iraq today. All those tory don dey too much for a simple question asked.

Empire rises and fall. Oyo empire, Shongai empire rose and fell. Nothing is bad with that. And there is no spiritual undertone in this.

Gen 11:6 exposed that God hates human unity and innovative minds. Simple as that

nnekaike:
Don't other religions have rapist among them? you don't like JW fine and good,stop sounding like a broken record.
Nobody is perfect, if a JW is found guilty of rape he should be dealt with according to the law!

Tell them not to cover rape cases and sexual abuses up.... That is what they do mostly

Ofemmanu1:
Unity, innovation and Rebellion is a bad combo.

Look around you bro.
Evidence continues to mount that Toynbee was correct in remarking that humankind is most likely a planetary disease. To back up his observations, biologists who have studied satellite images documenting the explosive increase in human populations and our patterns of settlement around the globe note that these patterns exactly replicate the growth and spread of malignant cancerous cells.

World population now stands at approximately 6.5 billion and is expanding at the rate of about 70-80 million people a year. Despite the best efforts of governments and NGOs, some 2 to 3 billion people on planet Earth today will live out their desperate lives in abject poverty and squalor with no real hope of any better living conditions. How about a life in the hereafter, you may ask? Taking comfort in ancient myths that evolved before science effectively debunked them only exacerbates the problem and accelerates our plunge into collective misery and ultimate extinction.

The survival of the human species depends on the vast majority of the human population finally accepting the fact that we all have but one life to live and we will live it here on Earth. If and when this reality dawns, there is a chance that the all important Balance of Nature may be established and all life forms may continue to live in harmony for millennia to come.

As there simply are too many variables, no one can estimate exactly what the human carrying capacity of planet Earth may be, however there are indications that this capacity may already have been exceeded and sustainability may be in question. It has been established without doubt that our climate world-wide is changing drastically, and most likely that this sudden and rapid change has been brought about by human endeavors such as burning fossil fuels and spewing their by-products into the atmosphere. The results of this change are as yet unknown, but by most projections will have a profound and mostly negative effect on humankind.

Today, upwards of one third of the human population hangs on by a thread, energy demands are increasingly outstripping production, and competition for bare essentials such as food, water and shelter will soon near the breaking point. It is the responsibility of those living today to begin to establish limits to growth in order to dissuade Mother Nature, just a few generations down the road, from employing her draconian, and absolutely certain, methods of curtailing the number of human beings that are rapidly consuming the Earth and all of its resources and life forms. Call it simply enlightened self-interest for survival.

Imagine tomorrow, your children would build a space elevator that can take them to another star. Imagine there is another planet habitable to life as earth is, and your children can travel there tomorrow. Imagine that the world would be inhabitable in the future and all human life are at risk of extinction imagine you can escape into another star with your families and friends to continue colonisation of other stars?

God cannot do anything about disruption of life on earth, like he left Mars to desolation. Man has to expand their imagination and design a machine that will take them to another star.

Human rises... Beyond all imaginations

Maximus69:
OK, i'll be back in less than two hours, we're having our meetings on ZOOM in less than 15 minutes from now. See you later!

Power of human mind. Zoom, Internet, computer and phone, tv, all thanks to space exploration and technological advancement.

God ministry rides on the back of innovation amd unity even when God hates it.

Ofemmanu1:
Sex on the moon?!
Hehehe..
You see that.
Youve got the whole earth to ejaculate but you still wanna do it in the moon.
Floyd haaa?!
Smh

People do it on the flying plane. They do it in boat cruise. They do it on towers and skyscrappers. What is bad in doing it on the moon surface? With your wife

Ofemmanu1:
God doesn't hate unity.
He hate sin, rebellion and all evil vices.

Psalm 5:10

Hold them guilty, O God;
By their own devices let them fall!
In the multitude of their transgressions thrust them out,
For they are rebellious against You.

Could you show us the sin, rebellion, and evil vices in Gen 11:6
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disunite them by confounding their language.

Ofemmanu1:
Yes, we have evolved very well and rebelled too.
It's all about time bro, harvest day is comin.
Only time will tell.

Space exploration is not rebellious. Building edifice and skyscraper is not evil. These only show our brilliance and innovative minds, and God suppose to appreciate that. Also should apologize for despising our ideas which have helped his ministrations.

A woman would set foot on moon in 2024. Imagine we have a base on moon. Imagine sex on the moon? The sky is not out limit, the vastness of space and universe is up to us to conquer.

A God should always have foresight. Omo buruku lojo ti re.

Maximus69:
@FOLYKAZE

Can we chat peacefully and respect each other's opinion?
I love presenting my beliefs with respect and regards for my audience, so even if they don't by my opinion, we can live together as neighbours at least we'll understand what each person likes and dislikes!

I wouldn't have mentioned you if I don't want you here.

Shoot please

Maximus69:
Please are you saying we can discuss in PEACE without having to insult one another now?
Because i have a lot to share regarding the topic but i just don't want to get you upset or provoked as you often get irritated when a commentator isn't flowing with you.
Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you what's wrong with the building of the tower Sir!

PEACE FOLY

Oh please let us discuss.

Firstly, historicity of the tower. I only saw the pictorial depiction of the tower in prince of Persia game. Very gigantic building.

Secondly, what is wrong with human unity and innovations.

Thirdly, why God should apologize to humanity for using what he hated so dearly for his ministration.

Thanks

Vulcanheph:
I totally agree with you....there is a high possibility that jesus never existed and even if he did he probably wasn't as the Bible made him up to be, every free thinker out there should read dan brown's novel "The da Vinci code" , i'm not saying everything in the book is real , but the book will open your mind.

Like someone said here, let us agree for the sake of today and this thread that Jesus existed.

The tower of babel is fictional too. But we dey talk about am for the sake of arriving at a point. Unity and innovation

Inteltower:
I only wonder where your heads at

you talk of uniting

please if you have a female child please and please tell her to follow a gang of rapists ok
it also called unity

there is country called Virgin & holy women and there is a country called A million tape gang

please ambassador from a good countryside will you want to unite both countries ?

Russia and United States are at logger head but collaborate to build the ISS. Nigeria Sat was launched in Russia. What you call that? Unity!

Why should God disregard human unity? He has eliminated sinners in Noah days, how come we still have sinners after the flooding?

Ofemmanu1:
No twisting here bro, you just need to understand.
Man built that tower to make himself like a God. They had ulterior motives and were godless. They had forgotten who their first love should have been (God). God confounded Their language so that they could not finish that tower that supposedly was going to reach it to heaven. The people had nothing but power and wealth in their heads. As to Babylon, in the last days, Revelation in the Bible tells us it will be destroyed and that every rich man depending on the economy at that time will mourn.

In the last days (which we are now in), Revelation in the Bible tells us it will be destroyed and that every rich man depending on the economy at that time will be devastated financially.
We are definitely in the last years. Nearly all of the signs have been fulfilled. Watch for the Peace Treaty that will be executed between Israel and the Arab nations (which President Trump is putting together right now). Once that is signed and executed, we humans have few years left on the earth. Also, the Christians will recognize the Anti-Chrst at that time. God’s wrath will come down the in last years on unbelievers.
I know this may sound crazy, but remember that you were told this. (Christians will be martyred by the anti-Christ as told to us in Matthew 24 by the Son of God, Jesus).
All of this sounds like nonsense to non-Christians, but true Christians will know what I am talking about.

Don't say you weren't told.

Man was actually created in the likeness of God. What then is wrong if they are innovative like God?

You are here telling us about ulterior motives when the Bible stated they intent making a tower that it tops reach heaven. There is no ulterior motive here except one you invent in your mind.

Man has built skyscrapers taller than the tower of babel. We have launched probes into space. Does God hate innovation when he benefit from same innovation?

Inteltower:
God isn't against unity and innovation.
but his plan is the priority so as that earth & mankind work for the better

Christ made it clear that his gospel wasn't of that of unity but divide

After the fall of man unity was impossible

and why ?

because you had the good & bad living together in this world

if unity exists who among both parties will compromise in accepting each others values

Christ statement told us clearly that unity of mankind is impossible except there is a divide.
separating the wheat from the chaff

the parable of the wheat & tares illustrates it perfectly

good and evil after the fall live together

but here you are with your ignorance preaching unity

You are really deceiving yourself Mr.

God was against human unity and innovation. Read your Bible very well

Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Verse 6 said if they continued in unity, speaking one language, nothing is impossible for them to achieve. He then in verse 7 confounded them, infesting disunity among them so that they abandon the project

Inteltower:
I guess you missed out on their intention for building the tower stated from the Bible which you are using to launch an attack on God

his merciful sha I can't blame him when he allows Satan roast us as punishment

from your ignorant post am quoting

let's see now

there is an island in India which is inhabited by people who are cut off from civilization and just as outsiders are aware of them so to do they they know that people live beyond their place. so why haven't they over a thousands of years scatter or venture into new lands or even allow people come to their place ?

let me see how foolish you will twist this question and answer

so in your stupidity you aren't acknowledging the fact that anything is possible
that with what those people had agreed to do when building the tower that they won't stick to it for millions of years since you can acknowledge them keeping to building a tower

what about Sodom and Gomorrah that encircle.

do you think that if a community decides to cut itself off from others or not to spread to other lands that it isn't possible even when they are advancing in tech

Its because of that scattering that today man occupies a lot of places and God's word fulfilled.

what if they didn't scatter I guess you forgot sickness & diseases. or hail stones

what happened to Sodom & Gomorah or that Roman state destroyed by a volcano with no single survivor.

hmm pls read to understand not just the letters but context

Scattering has caused divides and troubles to mankind. It is because of scattering we have wars and disagreements. Millions of lives have lost to senseless war orchestrated by God's will of scattering.

If you don't know, the internet bring human together. This was made possible by satellite communication in space. Pastor Chris is able to preach to the Chinese, thanks to duolinguo app that handles translation seemlessly. The ISS was built by people who united across race, tongue and colors. Good things are achieved through unity, while disasters lumps from disunity.

Was it God plan that we should be disunited? Does God hate human unity?

Ofemmanu1:
Jesus died for the sins of the world.
He died on the cross of Calvary.
He arose again on the third day.

Those three lines are real bro.
Evidences are all over.
Just think about it.

Tell us why God hate human unity? Remember disunity has cost us lot of problems. And unity has made us achieve the impossibles. Is it God plan that human should disunite?

Inteltower:
same findings from humans beings that told you that sperm swim

am so sorry for you

use your head and understand the world you live in.
start by believing first that you were created by a being

how blind are people really are...

seriously how blind

your very fingers have a purpose right ?
who gave it purpose or defined a purpose for it ?

Christ is better in every way than you because you can't and will never offer what he brought and gave to the world

pride and ignorance are the top 2 deadly blindfolds

wisdom beats intelligence any day

shalom

Oga

Why should God hate that which has expanded his ministration?

Maximus69:
Sorry Sir, i'm not interested.
Thanks!

Even when you enjoy service of satellite TV and internet communications on jw.org, yet Jehovah bloated over building structure that is 91m high. What angered Jehovah in the past is now today tool for evangelism. Prolly Jehovah lacks foresight... And man has grown in unity beyond what he can ever imagine.

Peace Max