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PrecisionFx:
In 1999 all contestants were from the south.

In 2003 northerners now contested.

In 2007, it was the turn of the north so southerners stepped aside n allowed only northerners to contest.

You will need to see the list of contestants in those years.

selemo:
Not Nigerians but Arewas.

5%er erase himself in the permutation. We all know yall are inconsequential.

PrecisionFx:
The truth is that no matter what he does, he will likely lose to a northerner

Good as it is not Igbo

tuniski:
Only if inec will be the one to conduct the election otherwise a certain defeat awaits him and Lawan.

He is dealing with the potential voters of the 9th Assembly which you aint member. Let him handle them in his own way and worry if he will be voted to lead or not, while you worry about your own miserable life.

hisexcellency34:
I disagree. After 8 years of the North, it's the turn of South, though an unwritten agreement.

During the 8 years of North, there were Contestants from South. In 1999 and 2003, there were also contestants from North. So in 2013, there may be contestants from all the tribes in Nigeria. Nigerian will decide who they want as president.

They have local government chairman and ward councilor, they both should be dragged to the market square, stripe unclad and stoned. Then these failures should be banished from the office and exiled from those communities. If we no dey treat these guys fuckup, dem go dey mess with us errtime

No one has said Presidential Contestants will all come from a single or particular region. They surely will be Nigerians and Nigerians will make a choice come 2023.

Na Nigerians go decide, not these rable rouser

Gbaja doing is homework nicely. Keep working hard man, you shall triumph

Fash should please fire up his performance. He needs to prove beyond reasonable doubt he is capable of handling three ministries as a super minister. He cab do it. I believe in him

UK should give us fighter jets and not this massive toy. We can pay back on installment

MetaPhysical:
I think I will condensce my view and awareness of Yoruba ideas into TWO distinct areas.

1. Ile Ife vs Yoruba
2. Yoruba civilization.


Ile Ife vs Yoruba treats the question of origin, the pre and post Oduduwa marker.

Yoruba Civilization treats the total collection of ideas, whether in myth, mysticism, philosophy, astrology, cosmology, esoterism, political, cultural, economy, history, art, spiritualism, and so on and so forth in all the antiquities from time immemorial till now.

There are some peculiar terms and names in Yorubaland that have a chain. Names like Ado-x, Isheri, Olofin, Oregun, Isokun, Igbo-x, Agbowa, Ketu, and so on.... These names are distributed and found in places with dynastic footprints. In other words, as the dynasties of Oduduwa spread they took with them certain insignias that legitimized their roots with Oduduwa in Ile Ife. These place names are not found outside dynastic realms, even if Yoruba influence were found beyond their territories. So there is a connection between the roots of Oduduwa children and a name like Isokun. Yoruba also carry the global first place in twin births. Again, this pattern is limited within the realms of the dynasties.

Yoruba should have its own place when cultures and civilizations are compared, amongst Western Ideas, MiddleEastern ideas, Eastern ideas, FarEastern ideas.....there should be a Central idea hinged on the knowledge and culture of Yoruba.


Let us step back for a moment and for purpose of equity we admit that a town named "Isokun" is the reference point in Ejire Ara Isokun. So there are many Isokun towns in Yorubaland, which should we explore, and how does Ejire connect to them?

I still can't find how Isokun relates to Isaac in Judeo-christian legend. Please do well to explain yourself.

MetaPhysical:
On the issue of Calcium being a bone building compound and bone being associated with Ogun, can we then not also ascribe hydrocarbons to Ogun since it is mined with iron implements and its finished product in form of petrol is used for combustion to propel vehicles on roads....a place where Ogun dwells? But this will conflict with the realms of Osoosi and Shango, for mining and firepower respectively.

You so wish can depict Ogun as hydrocarbon but what does the creation legend got to do with fuelling system of engine? Any correlation?

A guy on this forum once relates Ogun to Lithium. And he makes his deduction from Ogun clearing the bush path and the first element from the big bang explosion. When you dig into the praises of Ogun (meje logun), you can point out seven different metallic tools been referred to Ogun in the praise. So the question here isn't just ascribing Ogun to a particular metallic element but showing the correlations.

In my case, I pin down to a Yoruba creation story and went deep into moulding of bone. So the Calcium theory won't go beyond that boundaries (creation story and moulding of bone).

MetaPhysical:
So you can see from above the highlight of mixing Western ideologies with Central (Yoruba) ideologies and producing an incompatible output.

In fact this point is what myself, Olu, prexios, absolutesuccess, and many others I cant readily recall have stressed here at length, that there exists for Yoruba a corpus of knowledge and ideologies, some of which are tangent with world ideas but most are at variant with Western ideas and civilization. Our education system however is a one-way approach and dismisses any thing that it cannot fit into a pro-Western idea of empirical and physical validation. The Central (Yoruba) idea on the other hand validates many knowledges and awareness hidden from physical proof. Each to its own and our civilization must not be killed off because it deviates or does not conform to Western ideologies.

Many more to share but i stop here for now.

Which would you prefer, a mythical man called Mars that fought wars in heavens or the reddish and dry planet Mars that is explain as representation of mythical Mars?

Would you believe a mythical figure Saturnus in Roman legend who ended up been chained and imprisoned in the dark cell or you will believe a realistic representation of the myth in Planet Saturn that in fact has two rings that round it?

Would you believe there is a man in heaven that mould bones of every living things and created physical world?

Or you will believe a particular man climbed down from the sky with chicken and calabash?

The observation of planetary bodies and natural world has been on since the Babylonia and beyond. These people records their observations in myth and fiction. This is how religion are formed around the world. But in actual fact, these elements and bodies observed are simply personified but truly existent.

Ifa isn't compilation of tales or fables. It is an compilation of ancient knowledge. It embodies history, science, spirituality, religion, morality, social law, poetry and arts.

The science aspect stem into medicine, neurology, biology, zoology, geography, agriculture and psychology.

The fact is many people look into the spiritual and religion aspect of it. But there are more.




Saturn is know in many cultures across the world as a mythical person. It appears in mythology of Babylon, Greek, Roman, Chinese, Japanese, Indian and Jewish. Until Galileo observed and discovered the rings around Saturn, that name was a mythical person. The centre point is people universally came to agree a planet is the representation of the mythical figure. Until Galileo discover.

This brought the question, what does our story represent in nature?

Do you want it to remain as fables or you want it to evolve like other mythical figures around the world?

Oga OP please always back your posts with pictures to show that these projects are really ongoing.

They say picture speaks better than thousand words. Everything you posted here is baseless and holds no water. Without pictures, it either the whole project is in paper or propaganda.

MetaPhysical:
Feel free to review everything I have written on Yoruba origin. Your argument is incapable of withstanding my knowledge on origin and you are not going to use criticism to push my input out. Yes, I say it, the Isokun in the Oriki is Isaac. I spoke at length with the guy that threw it out and I believe what he shared. He shared stuffs that even Israelites and Arabs cannot refute. Unfortunately these things are not in scholastic journals so you guys dismiss it.

Omo Iya, no be fight. Thing is I don't really accept it when people infuse our legends with people thousands of miles away from us. Why always the middle east? Why not far east where we have miniscule Ifa system like Iching or Geomancy in Europe?

However, you may explain your point of view. I will respect your viewpoint. Thanks

MetaPhysical:
Ogun - the deity
Ogun - alchemy (calcium)
Ogun - entitlement
Ogun - war

Pick your choice, the same element in its different manifest.

Edun in the Ejire Oriki is an attribute of their intrigues with their parents and nothing to do with human evolution. All Yoruba Kings are greeted as Ajanaku or Erin Folami. It's simply an attribute of the might and authority of their throne.

You are right. One will get full understanding of Yoruba words when we don't interpret it literally. That is how it applies even in our day to day word usage.

I deducted the Human evolution majorly from Ifa verse. Thing I created a thread about it in the religion section but it is missing after nairaland data lose. No thanks to Seun.

The creation stories in different cultures always start with appearance of light. Also religion captured light. But in Yoruba story, Obatala was mentioned at the first person to start up physical world creation. As we know, Obatala represents light, purity and consciousness. Therefore, it would make sense to explain Obatala as the light from the explosion of the particle. Do you see big bang theory?

Why did Yoruba attribute life starting from Yemoja? Yemoja is representation of feminine, productivity, life and water. Science help us to know life started from water. Could this mean Ifa foresaw all these before modern science? Why didn't Ifa attribute life to Sonponna or Osanyin?

Have you head how Yemoja made her way to earth when Aginjù made attempt to kill her. The story held that Yemoja had pregnancy for his son, Aginjù. An abomination in the spirit world. So Aginjù knowing he will be punished severally took upon himself decision to kill his mother. Yemoja ran toward earth, but she crash landed and hit her bowel on rock which makes her belly cut open and everything in her belly flushed out. These things are water, vegetation, wealth andso more. Science theory posit Icy comet bombarding the earth as the origin of water. Making sense?

I will interpret Sango as electrical energy. There is a thread for it in the religion section. So I pick up stories, study it hard by relating some Ifa verses and explain it naturally and scientifically.

In the Ifa corpus where I picked that theory of Ogun been calcium, the verse explains that Apes and Men (gave them name and perceive them as one) lives together in a village (named the village too). They were tasked to make sacrifice so that they won't live in the forest like other animals. It was only human that made the sacrifice.

And note that each verses in Ohun enu ifa and odu Ifa merindinlogun comes with interpretations. Prof Wande Abimbola who himself is a renowned Babalawo explains that the verse was referring to Ape and Human and that we are from family tree. That was where Edun of Ibeji came into the picture.

The whole focus is to validate our stories with indisputable facts, not some myths of other people. Yoruba creation story is not fiction or myth as been described by the unknown. They are facts from pre-science era. A myth will never validate myth. Myth and fiction are not true occurrence or heavy fabrications. But when we analyze these stories with facts, they become true legends.

There are things you can't dispute in my submission. Firstly, every metallic object is Ogun. Secondly, Calcium is a metallic element which builds bone. Thirdly Yoruba story describe Ogun as bone moulder. Therefore Ogun is calcium.

It is an official trip.

overdrive:
2-0.

Apt
Thanks Man

toolluu:
2-0

Thanks bro.

Can someone please help me check the Aek Athens vs Lamia final score?
Thanks.

kayfra:
Smh.

Lol... Asin wetin concern Ela with Allah? Wordplay.
These guys are something else.

EmperorHarry:
I acknowledged that religion isn't perfect and just like any other human invention aimed at uniting people with common beliefs,it is suscepectible to corruption and manipulation.There's a reason why we have differenct groups with different ideologies within the same religion.People choose what they want to believe in.

My dear, there is nothing to manipulate in something that is primarily set down to loot from the poor, spread hatred and create unnecessary war. Like I said before, religion dictates that someome should be killed. Many scriptures have this instructions, there is nothing to manipulate there. If the scripture are to be followed down to the letter, there would have been no peace and civility in the globe.

EmperorHarry:
Aren't there millions of such followers that try to live in a world without hate against one another.Even if there's a hatred towards other religion and it's followers,they don't take any actions that would result in the harm of another human being all in the name of religion.If all Muslims had the same mentality as the average "Islamic terrorist".What kind of world would we live in?! Would you say that there aren't Muslims who do good cos their religion still says so.Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. Like I said earlier we choose what we want to believe in. There is love and hate in all religions but people choose which is the better one.It is a personal decision independent of religion.

Deployment of Liberalism, moderation, reasoning, logic and humanism into religion is another issue entirely. I will make a quick note. In Islam, Hausa perceive Yoruba muslims are not devoted to Islamic standards.

Some people out there are liberal, not radicals or fanatics to religion teachings. This happen because they diluted barbaric belief found in these religion. However, it doesn't remove the fact that religion books instructed adherents to hate, despise and kill non believers.

Would you blame a Lion for killing your livestock? Nope. Killing is it nature. Same way a brainwashed person who killed for religion purposes. The problem is religion here.

EmperorHarry:
Hope,my friend is what keeps people alive. God is a form of hope and whether God exists or not,hope does.Human consciousness and self awareness is what differenciates us from animals.We know what is good and what is evil.We know what it means to be alive,animals don't. You hear of children that commit suicide,what do you think made them do it? Do these children live in developed countries where life is a lot easier for them? What made them take their lives then? They had lost all hope in the world and humanity. They saw no reason to be alive. Are there less cases of suicide reported in more religious societies with harsh living conditions? Why?Because there's still hope.The belief that something whether it exists or not has a plan for them and no matter what they are going through he knows what they are going through. Yes it is false hope but a much needed one for those who aren't to live without it. Try explaining why God doesn't exist to an open minded theist with and open mind and watch as the glimmer in eyes starts to fade as hope begins to fade.Some would fight back and make sure that all your valid points fall on deaf ears. Their hope rests on a supernatural being and as such they won't let you take that hope away from them.They won't let you take their reason to be alive(This is not true for everyone)

Religion promises a future in the fairy land where there would be no sickness, pain, death or suffering. Religion posit to know what happens after death.

Everyone would experience suffering or death of loved ones. They hope their been steadfast to their religion doctrines will bring an end to all the pains... It is all hot air, false hope.

EmperorHarry:
@bolded is all you need to know that humans are the main problem and not entirely religion. I'd like to think religion is keeping a balance in a way we can't really comprehend and disrupting that balance is not an option. If you gave a hungry beggar a plate filled with bread and stones.Would he/she eat both the bread and the stone or would he/she separate the bread from the stone? Humans know what is right and what is wrong but still choose to do whatever they deem fit by them.

Yes(I can't necessarily say that all non religious societies are doing well just the ones that have allowed science a freedom not given in religious societies) with time it will be.When the human race is mature and ready for a world without it. Bertrand Russell once said "Religion is something leftover from the infancy of our intelligence,it would fade away as we adopt reason and science"..Note the key word there "reason".A huge part of the human population doesn't reason otherwise religion would not be freely manipulated for selfish interests which is one of reasons you are against it.

This is simple. Who kills; gun or the trigger puller?

How do you blame someone that has lost his senses after been brainwashed nd given false hope?

Religion and rationality walk on parallel opposing path.

Religion has been with us for centuries. It doesn't solve the problem mankind is facing. It, however replenish and multiply it. Such institution in my view has failed and should be scrapped.

What mankind need now is Enlightenment and rationality, not religion.

Olu317:
And what business of yours is it if Isaac is Isokun ? Do you even know the meaning of Isokun? Please if you have nothng to add,kindly flee this comment room because you are filled with antagonism. People like you need be banned from ‘culture section' because you don't knowand will find joy when you post irrelevant views.

What do we fuse into yoruba legend? A legend filled with supposedly fairy tales in the eyes of the world that we are unraveling!In as much that Isaac is an English word name and not Ancient Hebrew's word, then your view is baseless because you don't even have knowledge of the ancient history of the Middle East. So excuse us, because the students of history wnt to learn and not condemn people's view.

This one is mad o.

What has your tantrum added to this thread? The last time I check you are not the op nor did I quote you. Abeg take your madness elsewhere

macof:
im doing good bro. You've been away from the culture section and how are you?

You are completely right... In Yoruba history it's the Ùgbó people of Ondo State that is connected to Obawinrin, Obamakin and Obatala.. Not Igbo of South East
But the Ọọ̀ni is on to a new agenda in a bid to foster peace and unity he is adding Igbos of SE to this Yoruba narrative
Of course its historical bullshitt but many of the Ọọ̀ni's advisers are serious about this

I am always on nairaland. Most times read threads anonymously and only jump in when I find topics that interesting. The whole section now dry bro... From Religion section to Culture, politics and even Business.

Like someone said, maybe someone has given Ooni an Igbo girl. Ooni is in love and pacifying with his in laws.

MetaPhysical:
Do a search for a guy named Imperial Yoruba, he talked about this in a thread on Yoruba and Origin. According to him the Isokun in this Oriki connects back many centuries to a Yoruba patriarch named Issac.

Imperial Yoruba your attention is needed here.

Wetin consign Ibeji with Isaac nitori Ọlọ́run?

The way you guys infuse Yoruba legends into your foreign religion is alarming.

First it is Esu been Satan

Oduduwa from mecca

And now Isaac with Ibeju.

Make una stop this yeye attachee. We are who we are.

Chuks9000:
Oga, I know you learnt the instigating trade from your forefathers. But we are not interested in ethnicity. It does no one any good.

Take your rant to Atiku. No be we send you to Atikulate Obituary.

Even if the Igbos hate Buhari for no genuine reason, he still love them there. I wish money siphoned here could be channeled to Apapa road. It will be a lot better and appreciated.

Buhari abeg remember us in Apapa and Lag/Ibd express

EmperorHarry:
You fail to realize that the same people that corrupted religion will still exist and will still corrupt and manipulate any other alternative for their selfish interest. It's funny you didn't get my point in the first post when I clearly stated that religion just like money isn't the root cause,humans are. Sure it has a lot of errors and some parts of it tends to propagate irrationality but then there are a lot of dumbasses and bird brained followers(People who lack the ability to think and understand certain things by themselves) in these religions. Some of them are downright stupid(A certain part of human population is) and you can't blame that on religion.So what do you do to these kind of people? Have you ever tried to show someone the flaws in the bible like the creation story etc only for you to feel like your talking to yourself.I was there once and at some point I didn't give a damn anymore. People like this exist in abundance.These people are humans and can do good thing and bad things,just like you.The world is turning to shit because religion is largely losing it's hold on humanity and evil is glorified and admired in the world(Particularly Africa) today.Would you blame religion for the actions of fraudsters, "ritualist", Thieves, political thugs(controlled by politicians regardless of their religious beliefs),racists just to mention a few.Do religious doctrines and scriptures kick against these things? Were there commandments written to keep people from doing these things? Are people still doing these things? If yes then why the hell would you think religion should be done away with.There's still a section of the religious population that religion and moral values still has a hold over and that is the reason I still believe religion should not be scrapped cos humanity is ready for a world without it.Take a look at societies that are slowly doing away with religion,they are collectively making conscious efforts to make their society a better place for themselves(These societies aren't entirely devoid of unprogressive minds and perpetrators of evil).That's just like 10-20% of the world population.The rest of humanity is still not there yet and I still doubt we'd ever get there.I'm not saying my theory of how the world would look like without religion is correct but I'd take my chances.
Religion would fizzle out on it's own when the time is right but speeding up the process in my opinion is not a good option.

On the first note, you need to have a clear picture of what Spirituality and Religion is. While on this, you should be able to identify that that both are bi-polar.

Juggling into the topic, Spirituality is not an alternative to religion. It has been here since the beginning when there is an entity; entity that is is aware and react to it environment. And one important aspect of spirituality is that it is natural, evolve with time and personal. All it offers, however is world connected as one, very different from religion that put one against the world.

On the second note, you acknowledge that religion has it own errors and problems. You have however failed to realise that religion, particularly is the problem. The question should be how, why, and when does it become problem? This is simple...

Using your Love of Money analogy, Human greed and socioeconomic imbalances is the problem. Money doesn't dictates that you should hate or kill. The table turns when socioeconomic problems and greed set in. Hunger, poverty and materialistic mindset could make one steal, kill or hate your opponents.

This cannot be said about religion. Religion on the first note creates a divided world. A world where you love those in your camp and hate those outside. Quran dictates Jew should be killed, Islamic preachers also propagate it. Christians hate idol worshippers because Bible directed them. Many have been killed because the killer were convinced by their religion scriptures.

Love of money has many advantages. Same cannot be said about religion. Apart from giving believers false hope and irrational dream, it has contributed nothing good to humanity as whole. Therefore, an institution that is problematic to humanity, a problem itself to mankind; and has no benefit to society, such institution should be done away with.

You pointed that ritualism is still practised till date in Africa. Stealing, racism and social vices still abound. That is religion and socioeconomic problem. Removing ritualism which is religion problem (because people believe practising ritual and sacrifices to some superpowers will sort their problem and bring blessings), stealing, raping, racism and other social vices abound because religion over the centuries has failed to eliminate these problems. Every religion preaches against (at times support) stealing, raping, racism or any vices. If religion fails to clear the vices, it then should be scrapped. What is the essence of an institution that has been failing over centuries? It should be scrapped.

Bro, in your last note, you admitted countries that have done away with religion are progressing, doing better than religious nation. Does that not connote that religion is the problem and should be scrapped?

macof:
actually the Ọọ̀ni is really referring to Igbos of South East. Same way he says Idena (a guard:a Person) is Eden.. Like wtf!
That's what he is being made to believe by some advisers, some of whom I know, with the Ọba adeyeye himself never being well educated before becoming Ọọ̀ni

Sup Man. Been a while. Hope you are in good health?

On topic, I disagree with you though. Igbo been mentioned here are those in Southern Ondo state. These are the people that have relationship with with Obatala. I believe you know the history more than I do, and should see it from the Obatala angle.

Warship:
What language do Ugbo Nla people speak.?

Predominantly Ilaje language.

wowcatty:
No one has linked ibo-igbo to Jews You are the one linking yourselves even when you have been rejected many times.

Dont mind that fool. I have activated ignore button on his mention.

That some people don't brag or make noise about relationship with Jew doesn't the belief is not outthere.

Ugbo people founded the first Yorubanized Christianity. C/S mount Zion has it headquarter in Igbonla (a town in Ugbo kingdom). And they practise Judaism, primarily mosaic Christianity. The church was founded by Oba Zion Lene who is a son of Ugbo land. They believe they are Jew. I know this because I was a member...snr cherubim. One funny thing is that they are Yoruba first because attaching with Jew.

Definitely Ooni is referring to Ugbo people and dont these Beast of no Nations.

Shayetet13:
Unfortunately for you, the paramount King of the Yorubas dont agree with you about those things you said about the Igbos. He thinks that the Igbos have the key to prosperity. He thinks that if you talk about commerce and prosperity without the Igbos, you are not even scratching it. You can go and challenge your king. Furthermore, you cannot find Ugbo people everywhere you go in the world. It is impossible because they are a clan and not a race. You mentioned one rich Ugbo person. Can you name 10 who are as rich. Being rich amongst Igbos is a common thing. Mind you, your monarch, the greatest in Yorubaland, said that it is international acknowledged that the Igbos have Jewish relations. Even Jewish and Isreal scientist are currently researching to find evidence. Has any scientist come to Ugbo to look for evidence? I know your problem. You are utterly jealous. Be prepared to be for as long as, cos the Igbos will continue to shine

Mr stop this foolish attache by force. It makes your people appear like a nation of fools.

Yeah we all understand that yall are BEAST OF NO NATION, history or heritage. And are hell bent to force unto yourself other's people beautiful culture and heritage. No one recognise Igbo in the world, even the Israelites threw out any relationship with beast like you.

You keep ranting that you are prosperous. Please mention one person that is recognized by forbes in your enclave. I can mention 5 from Ugbo kingdom alone.

Who knows people that have no history, culture, religion/spirituality, heritage dead language and fond of criminality. What do you supply to the world except drug and crimes that would make the world know you? Ugbo people are well known in the world because they have rich history, culture and spirituality. They supply Africa and world entirely with salt, timber, oil and alcohol. What do Okoro Igbo supplies the world? Even their king in Ugbo is the richest in Africa. You can deal with that.

When you meet people with no history, they are very easy to know. What has Igbo got to do with Obatala? Do you guys even have a Deity in that forsaken and barren land of yours?

And for your info, Yorubas are well trained and have manners. We don't fight our kings, elders and men of respects unlike you guy over there. We value our heritage and respect offices and throne of our Kings and Chiefs. We also understand Ooni is referring to Ugbo/Igbo people of Southern Ondo state who are prosperous in trade of Oil, Timber and Salt with Africa and the world at large.