₦airaland Forum

seunmsg:
Politicians can take any desperate measure to cling on to power. However, I don't think he will take his madness that far. It would backfire on him and he knows it.

Thanks for your response

Ben Ayade rigging machines in full gear. They shal be crushed soon

Ben Ayade rigging machines in full gear. They shal be crushed soon

seunmsg:
The supreme court had since cleared the controversy as to what constitute a division in a political party. r-APC was never a faction of APC. For a division to occur, there must be fractionalization or fragmentation that makes it impossible for the party to function at the national level. The above never happened to APC.

A good example of a party division was what happened to PDP before the supreme court decided the matter between Ali Modu Sheriff and Makarfi. There was a serious fragmentation from the top to the ward to the extent that the party could no longer operate at the national level.

Let see how APC legal team deal with the issue.

I need you to address this question please. Can Saraki declare Akpabio seat vacant?

vedaxcool:
Clearly APC should have sued Saraki when he perpetuated the first fruad alongside PDP by voting without the assembly fully inaugurated. Clearly there is no factionalization at the national level of AP. Their actions are illigal. APC should sue for the courts to declare their seats vacant.

Defenders of democracy should follow obeg simple constitutional provisions.

seunmsg:
This is the point those shouting about constitutionality refused to take into account. According to our constitution, Saraki and other decampees lost their senate seat the day they decamped to another party. Since Saraki is the latest advocate for the constitution and our democracy that they say is in danger, we should all tell him to democratically vacate his seat in accordance with the constitution. An artificially created r-APC that already signed up with CUPP or whatever that contraption is called did not make it mpossible or impracticable for APC to function. So, there is no justification whatsoever for the defection.

Have we considered there is R-APC primary birthed to legally smoothen their defection? This is what they did in PDP and same thing playing out in APC.

I am just scared Saraki would use that party faction clause to declare Akpabio seat vacant, and battle APC in court by arguing that R-APC is a faction of APC. With that, the case is lost

I watched a brilliant young lawyer arguing on the same premises as Falana. And the guy even quoted from the 1999 constitution and reference the Supreme Court judgement on precedence. The fact is that these politicians know their way round all the loopholes in our constitution and they are taking advantage of that.

Firstly, according to the law, the mandate of a political officer belongs primarily to the political platform and another round belongs to the people.

Secondly, the constitution made it clear that no political office holder can decamp to another political platform unless in case the former platform has broken into many factions.

Thirdly, in case there is no factions, the party who owns the mandate, has the power to charge the defected candidate to court and see that the seat is declared vacant. For the people, they can recall politicians they ain't pleased with.

Because of the illustration above, Politicians create an artificial rancour within the party which degenerate into factions. We had the brains of NPDP in 2014. The same brain financed R-APC so that they can pave their way out of APC legally.

I am convinced that Saraki financed and mastermind the birth and development of R-APC. The aim is achieved as they can argue that APC is factionalised. APC will have a very long way to go before they can win the case.

R-APC should be dismantled. They have no genuine reason why they should factionalise. The only way to fight the war is to Impeach Saraki and Ekweremadu before the duo play the fast one on Akpabio

Who is going to preside when there is a motion to impeach both Saraki and his Deputy, Ekweremadu?

PaChukwudi44:
So you are not ready to impeach Saraki yet you have been making noise all along? Why don't wait until you are ready before disturbing our cyberspace

However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

Words from the bible.

What matters is that he will be impeached not necessarily when or how.

PaChukwudi44:
Bros shebi na Tuesday? We shall see how the APC senators will form these quorum without their PDP counterparts and impeach the Senate president!! Is the reconvening only for APC senators? Shebi other senators will also attend? Let's see how they will impeach Saraki

Must it be Tues? Just watch nah

durangokid:
The mistake most of you do is you bend the law to favour you whenever you want it to soothe you but when it later work against you,you will start forming bull in a ware shop. Like the case of Tambuwal in 2014 and Saraki in 2018

The PDP legal team during the Tambuwal couldn't have seen the loophole and used it for their own advantage. APC legal luminaries have found it and can utilize it. Saraki actually pointed to the hole and he will be kicked out through it. Remember Oshiomhole said they have precedence they can fall on. He is making reference to the number of votes that brought Saraki in. To the face of the law, the ⅔ majority is needed not ⅔ of the entire member of the house.

Saraki is jittery already. You can see him shouting on top of his voice that APC can't get ⅔ of the entire members of the house. He wants to deflect attention and that tactics won't work again. APC should just him impeached and we can argue the legality to Supreme court

Watching from the sideline how the whole thing turns out

That which is done in darkness is about to be unraveled

wisino1:
in that case it's means your buhari can still be impeach with this method u just outline and when its happened don't come and cry fowl

It doesn't work that way bro.

It take a very long and rigorous process to impeach the president. Can take at least 3 months at which during these period, the president would have thwarted the threat.

But as for Senate President, na just vote by collecting signature which doesn't take more than 30 mins. If the majority carries the day, SP is gone for good.

Chuksonyeike:
Well the APC will never have 2/3 of sitting of any plenary. You idiots has already made your plots public.

You've brought no logical input into this discussion. This shows your level of intelligence, very crude like thay of a wild animal. I will not indulge you with a reply but next time, present your case without taking things too personal.

Chuksonyeike:
The Senate will reconvene on Tuesday. Come and impeach your grandfather let's see

I have a right to my opinion in public matters. And I think you should respect my opinion even if you do not agree with it. Only minions and lowlife scallywag would turn civil discussion into personal insult. What has my grandfather got to do with senate? Please if you can't be civic and respect another person, do not in your god forsaken life quote me again? You can shove your opinion into your as,s for all I care.

krendo:
My dear if you even succeed with this on the Monday the reverse will happen immediately on Tuesday

Nobody will go to court for you

You think you have absolute control of the security forces but you forgot that while you have been in power for 3.5 years, PDP has been there for 16years

If you want to invite Anarchy Goodluck with that but it may not necessarily go your way!

PDP and scare mongering. No one blink an eye for chicken little like you. Cheers

Fayose on rampage.

2odd:
Am not saying saraki shouldn't/can't be removed ,but APC should do so legally, under no law will 24 or so members impeach the senate president.
What's stopping PDP members to remove whoever APC put there under 24 hrs ?? At least they have about 49 or so members. The rollercoaster will go on for ever ,no meaningful thing will be achieved.

APC should go ahead if they have the ⅔ of the senate sitting in the plenary on that day. The court will sort the rest. Goodnight

Oga Saraki reconvene the House make we know who be chicken and who be bird.

As the rain pours, we spectators will know that which will fly and that which will be drenched like a witch

After he has been impeached, he can go to court for redress and APC will take it to Supreme court for interpretation. The legal battle would be over after 2019 election.

The law says Senate President can be impeached by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of the members of that House. The colored red phrase does not say the total 109 members or those present in the plenary. So until the Supreme court gives us a clear definition, APC can go ahead and let those not in fine-tune with the impeachment should held to court.

Like Oshiomhole mentioned, there is no illegality in impeachment of a senate head and his deputy. There is no illegality if APC fires on. There are lot of precedence the party will fall on. The worst PDP will do is to call an international conference, make some noise on the pages of newspaper, television and radio, boil the cyber space with silly rants and go to court. Now of this action is going to return Saraki to senate president seat

Let us get the job done once. We can slug out the remains in court

Chuksonyeike:
Lol Who will go? You never learn anything

Just watch

krendo:
You are saying that a house that has a membership of 109; all that is required to impeach the Senate President is 24 Senators?

You guys should stop looking for impunity

If you oust the Senate President without recourse to the true dictates of the constitution you are endorsing impunity and legitimising a coup de tat against this democracy itself.

This kind of behaviour will only endorse a military takeover

The Senate has 109 members, that number is not fluid. When the constitution says 2/3 majority of the members of that house in this case it is simply 73! Even 72 members is not enough to remove Saraki

We are not a nation of mathematicians. Forget this BODMAS and IF logical statements you guys are trying to calculate.

More so this matter has previously been tried in court and there are precedents!

Again I warn you guys, be careful what you wish for. If you sack Saraki with impunity just know thst you are making mockery of democracy and endorsing the possibility of a coup de tat

Firstly, why do you guys resort to scare mongering whenever the table turns away from your side? You like every other PDP members always shout coup de tal on the top of your voice as if you and your vagabonds will execute the operation. This is political game that should be played with all legality and justice. Scaring us with rhetorics like Coup won't work.

The constitution gave some grounds on how to elect and impeach the senate president. It stated that they can both be elected or impeached by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of the members of that House. The question is what constitute members of the house? Is it the whole 109 members or of those present in the hallow chamber? That is a question only the COURT OF LAW and not PDP jobbers to interpret.

Now, from the past, Saraki had exploited the law by getting himself into the Presidency seat by colluding with the PDP members and initiate an election while the majority members of APC were meeting with the president. He did this and got his way. APC should also take the same loophole and have him butted out. He will go to court but what matters is that he is gone.

We've have cases where about 5 of thr senate members are dead. Should we wait till after the bye election of these dead members before we can proceed on impeachment? What in the case of when some members are sick or out of the country for some national assignment, going by your logic, we should wait for them to become healthy before the impeachment process can start?

Mynd44:
As seen in Section 50,2(c) of the Constitution…..

Bros this is is the part where we disagree by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of the members of that House.

The emboldened is from the law you quoted. If Lawal was to mean business like I assumed, he will proceed on the impeachment process and let the court what the law mean by "two-thirds majority of the members of that house. Court will explain if that clause mean the ⅔ of the 109 members or ⅔ of the ⅓ sitted. By then he would have gone and the legal battle can go on.

Nevertheless, for him to be removed, they need two-thirds, not of the Senate, but of those present and voting at a meeting.

“It doesn’t have to be everybody. It’s those who happen to be there. Once they meet the quorum of one-third, and he is there, he can be removed by two-thirds of that one-third,” the PACAC chairman said.

The exact word from Sagay, a luminary in Law and Judicial practises have further buttress my point. I wish Mynd44 can read and digest it this time around.

Saraki got to the SP seat with a majority vote from those present in the plenary. The law did not say all the senators must be on seat because any vote can proceed. Saraki who was smart start up the vote process when major members of the APC are in a meeting with Buhari. The same game plan should be deployed in order to outwit him.

Infact, I need to reinstate here that the majority leader is too dull for my liken. He should turn the senate house to hell for Saraki and his minions if the Kwara fraud refuses to step down. And if matter come to worse, they should impeach him anyway, anyhow and let the kleptomaniac and the platform he choose to hop into go to court if they feel they are cheated. Politics is not a joke but a serious business for those who can get things done when resources are not much. Just like Oyegun, the Senate majority leader should resign if he can't get things done. The Senate President seat belongs to APC, he should mobilise APC members and impeach his the crook sitting on the chair;and then we can slug the rest out in the court of law

Nevertheless, for him to be removed, they need two-thirds, not of the Senate, but of those present and voting at a meeting.

“It doesn’t have to be everybody. It’s those who happen to be there. Once they meet the quorum of one-third, and he is there, he can be removed by two-thirds of that one-third,” the PACAC chairman said.

The exact word from Sagay, a luminary in Law and Judicial practises have further buttress my point. I wish Mynd44 can read and digest it this time around.

Saraki got to the SP seat with a majority vote from those present in the plenary. The law did not say all the senators must be on seat because any vote can proceed. Saraki who was smart start up the vote process when major members of the APC are in a meeting with Buhari. The same game plan should be deployed in order to outwit him.

Infact, I need to reinstate here that the majority leader is too dull for my liken. He should turn the senate house to hell for Saraki and his minions if the Kwara fraud refuses to step down. And if matter come to worse, they should impeach him anyway, anyhow and let the kleptomaniac and the platform he choose to hop into go to court if they feel they are cheated. Politics is not a joke but a serious business for those who can get things done when resources are not much. Just like Oyegun, the Senate majority leader should resign if he can't get things done. The Senate President seat belongs to APC, he should mobilise APC members and impeach his the crook sitting on the chair;and then we can slug the rest out in the court of law

Mynd44 abeg what is your view on this?

He should vomit what he ate or be sent to jail

danieljoel759:
e cheap o, time to run for president

escodotman:
Cheaper than APC

Original sufferheads

Infrastructural development = ✔️

Scavengers and Desperados have already invaded PDP and have taken over the structure there. This mean Dankwambo has suffered for nothing by been loyal to PDP platform through thin and thick. But when that the weather has settled a bit and necessarily need to forge ahead, some thieves have chosen to invaded, take the glory and steer the party into 2019 presidential election. The tug of war between Jackass and Hyena will be fun.

FG will be forced to shut down government then. People will see PDP as the enemy of the nation as they are preparing ground for anarchy and unrest in the state.