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Jesus didn't die on the cross or tree. The entire crucifixion is scam.

There are improvements but more needed to be done. Many are still living under fear. Even when tbey freely stay away from church and mosques, and outrightly criticize pastors, they are still living under fear. The church and mosque are intensifying their campaign. They have taken over the airwave, internet, television and print. Every corners is filled with churches. The Muslims too are coming out, debating with Christian and hosting ministration in the locality. However, we have reasonable anti-religionist in their numbers than atheist

PDP talking from experience. This is what they did in 2015.

superhumanist:
Jesus's purpose was also meaningless. His suicidal death did not change human behaviour one bit- people went on being people. It didn't stop people from sinning. In fact, majority of human beings are not Christians. 7 billion people and only about 2 billion are Christians.

1 Corinthians 15:14-19 New International Version (NIV)

14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.

15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.

16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.

17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.


Paul was not convinced Jesus died or resurrected. He somewhat think his faith and hope is in vain and only hanging on a tiny rope called faith. Our Nigerian brother are chasing a criminal who was killed in faraway land for blasphemy and calling himself son of God. A coward son of God that couldn't take Satan head on since 6000yrs. It is 2000yrs after he died and Satam is still running the affair of fhe same world. What did he die for then?

I sometime wonder. The wages of sin is death. Jesus died for our sin.....that mean our sin have besn removed. Why then do we still die? It simply mean he didn't die and the whole story was concocted

CuteMadridista:
You don't understand the context, pray to the Hole-ly spirit to open your eyes to the meaning of that passage

OR "meaningless" is a bad translation of the Hebrew word @&£&@+£- so don't read bible literally

OR Solomon was just giving his own opinion, those verses aren't from god himself but from Solomon. although we quote the verses of ecclesiastis like its god's opinion when it's convenient

doG bless you

Christians are the most confused folks on earth. I wonder sometimes if they read their bible or if they read it without putting their thinking cap on.

Ecclesiastes 1:1-14 New International Version (NIV)

Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem.
13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom
all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy
burden God has laid on mankind!

14 I observed everything going on under the sun, and
really, it is all meaningless--like chasing the wind.

David is a great philosopher. Even if I am not a Christian, I still read some of his thoughts in Ecclesiastes and Proverb. The philosophy are rich and full of wisdom. The particular quoted verse ends the whole bullshiit any Christian will say. Life, with of without God is meaningless except for how one define it. Bible says, it is vanity upon vanity.

Christians are the most confused folks on earth. I wonder sometimes if they read their bible or if they read it without putting their thinking cap on.

Ecclesiastes 1:1-11 New International Version (NIV)

Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.

14 I observed everything going on under the sun, and really, it is all meaningless--like chasing the wind.

Emmanystone:
You are so scared the Christians around you will kill you abi? Hahahahahahaha. Witch doctor pass

Copied. She agrees Christians are hateful killers. Goodday

Emmanystone:
Demon possessed, you'll have a heart attack the way you going.

Demon worshipper. Didn't your skydaddy asked you sheeple to kill witches?

winner01:
Really I'm not like this. But I find it difficult not to point out your idiocy as revealed in your quotes.

'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.' - Socrates.

Bring it on.

winner01:
Any christian who does not agree that all forms of immorality are sins according to the christian worldview, regardless of the worldly meanings of sin and immorality should quote this and reply me.

You do not agree there is difference and cannot counter my submission with superior argument. Until a Christian comes out with a superior, immorality and sin are entirely different.

In case anyone would help you, Sin is considered in all religion as an act against the God's command or Divine law. Immorality however is based on act that strays from ethical and acceptable behavior in a society, which may make morality that which a society defines.

You are a slowpoke and will not be able to reason it out.

winner01:
Are you suggesting that Rahab was the only prostitute in the city of Jericho?


And is there any christian reading this who does not know why God spared Rahab despite the fact that she was a prostitute?

You were the one suggesting there were more prostitutes other than Rehab. You should prove there are more than one prostitute in that city instead of making things up.

winner01:
How many times was Rahab mentioned after the Jericho incidence and why do you think the Bible needs to record every single detail of every of its characters?

I don't care about Rehab or ready to count the number of times her name was mentioned in the bible. The argument is her act and if God or the spy condemned or corrected this act.

She was saved because she hided the spies from been killed. That is not the point.

The point is did God condemned her act of prostitution? Did the spies corrected her?

You have danced around enough. Get straight to the point.

winner01:
How can you say there is no mosaic law are you not an idiot

The ways of a religitard.

Is the mosaic law not from God? Has it become outdated or amended?

The law that states that Christians should kill witch is from God.

winner01:
For the umpteenth time, Matthew 19:3-10. You'll get Jesus' response to the laws of moses.

What has the rule on divorce got to do with killing of witches?

Christians all over the world kill people accused of been witch. Their action is backed by the bible law.

winner01:
Adultery, prostitutuon and all defilements of the body (the temple of God) are all sins of immorality.

You know nothing about the Bible, stop exhibiting ignorance.

Those are your words not from God in the bible.

Prostitution is not condemned in the bible. If you have a contrary view, provide it here.

I will ignore your personal insults. I am not in for that.

winner01:
I should google search for the worldly meaning of sin and immorality when their meanings are clearly described in the bible. The world has contrary meanings for God, Christians the bible etc. Don't refer me to meanings conjured by men when biblical meanings on those words are clear in the bible.

These are English words that are very related but different entirely. You could turn a blind eye to this but doesn't mean make them same.

Sin is simply an act against divinity.

Immorality is an act against social norms.

If you disagree, present your point.

winner01:
You said Rahab, a prostitute was spared and I'm asking you why she was spared. Why were other prostititutes in the city not spared because they simply were prostitutes if prostitution was not immoral.


And are you just going to ignore all the verses I gave on prostitution?

Your point is not sensible. Where in the bible did you read that there are other prostitutes in the city? God nor the spies did not condemn her act and did nothing to reprimand her.

Now, she was spared because she averted the killing of the spies by keeping them in her house. After she was saved, God would have made her know that prostitution is a sin and that she should repent. The point is her action was not condemned.

winner01:
Lol after saying there is nothing like mosaic law, now you say mosaic law is Gods law?

I'll repeat the only thing you failed to grab in my last replies to you.

God permitted certain practices amongst his people which he didn't approve of. Jesus Christ weighed in on the laws of moses and explain what i said perfectly in Matthew 19:3-10.

Where does gods law have it that Christians should kill witches and who are these Christians?

You have resorted to lying and blackmail. I said there is no mosaic law and all laws were directly from God. I am still saying the samething here.

Killing of witches was a divine law from God. The order was recorded in the bible. And many Christians have killed kids in respect to the law from God.

winner01:
Jesus stopped the killing of a sinner. I think Jesus should have stopped the killing of a witch, a murderer, a rapist, a divorcee before you get the point.
You people are as dumb as the religious people you mock.

Adultery is a sin.. You are the one arguing against that not me.

My point is prostitution is not a sin but immoral act.

winner01:
He drove out those who were making money using the temple of God. Is that not what you and other foolish people hold on to today with respect to yahoo boy pastors?/quote]

He whipped them when he could have simply ask them politely to leave.

[quote author=winner01 post=66401608]If Jesus had allowed them in the temple, wouldn't you have justified the actions of yahoo boy pastors.
I guess there's no winning with you guys. You're always right.

No be today house of God turn to den of robbers. Na bible talk am.

winner01:
Of course, they are ordained by God in your own Bible.

Why didn't you say since Christ didn't starve kids, then Christians doing such are wrong, since Christ's didnt protect a witch but a prostitute and so those protecting witches are wrong?
Or your bigoted logic of Jesus specific actions only applies to witches and prostitutes and not burnt kids?

You're an idiot

Jesus didn't protect a prostitute. She spared an Adulterer from been stoned. Stoning is a form of punishing sinners according to the law. Adulterers in the bible should be stoned.

Adultery mean sleeping with another person outside marriage. Prostitute are not married but are into business. Their product is their body.

Jesus condemned sins, he never mentioned prostitution.

winner01:
Of course, he should also have condemned embezzlement, terrorists etc before you admit that he condemned evil.

Embezzlement is stealing. It was condemned.

Terrorism is unjust killing. It was condemned. Didn't you read your bible?

winner01:
Lol. Any reasonable christian reading this will attest to your desperation. I won't reply it.

Jesus is not perfect. Maybe you can prove he is.

winner01:
A knife which was created by man for cutting food was used by a teenager for suicide because the teenager freely willed to use the knife on himself. Therefore man, who created the knife (for another purpose) is evil for creating a knife.

I really think you're an idiot.

Poor logic.

People will not walk deliberately into hell by themselves. Jesus will throw people inside hell. His followers are already burning witch

winner01:
Bullshit!!!
Immorality is wrong against divines and sin is wrong against social norms. This is bullshit, is this your own version of indoctrination

While this is even wrong you contradict yourself. Immorality is wrong against divines and the verses I quotes cllasified prostitution as immorality. In your own words, isn't that against divines?

So you have quit the case of Rahab and focused on Amos? You sound like a bigot who believes prostitutes are beyond redemption. There are reasons why all the prostitutes mentioned in the Bible were treated fairly and with respect. Read up their stories first before you come here to mess around.

You people are so desperate.

Maybe you can help us define immorality and sin. Do this separately.

A simple Google search would review that there are huge differences between both.
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-sin-and-immorality

I have tried enough to show you the difference. You should come up with better argument.

Secondly, immorality is not wrong against divines. If prostitution is against divinity, God wouldn't have asked his prophets to marry someone in the act.

More on Rehab, your argument wasn't making sense. You didn't argue on her professional but was building excuses on why she was saved, and asking if she was the only prostitute. Your submission is baseless and does not warrant any tackling.

The point is she is a prostitute and God or the Spies have done nothing to replemish her for her unclean profession. Therefore, there is God is not against prostitution.

winner01:
So the 10 commandments is what you think we are talking about here? Do you see anything about witches in the 10 commandments?

If you don't know that there is something like a mosaic law then I have no business discussing with you.

Pastors can quote from anywhere to feed their congregation hypo and snakes, this means nothing to Christians. I explained this in my last thread, point 2. Go read it if you want.

My argument is Mosaic law is God's law. You were saying God didn't approve this law to make it appear like Moses invented the law all by himself. I do not care if the law is passed through moses, the point is it is God's law.

The God's law has it that Christians should kill witch. And many Christians have followed the instruction by killing innocent children been accused as witch.

winner01:
Christ stood against religious people who were ready to kill a sinner. You tell me who those "christians" were trying to emulate.

Jesus stopped the killing of adulterer not prostitute. The woman in this case commit adultery, she is not a prostitute.

They were emulating an unforgiving Jesus who whipped an Adult for trading in the synagogue. He could have preached to them if he was setting a good standard. Rather he went violent.

Whipping, stoning, killing are ordained by God.

Christians are emulating that today by starving kids for months in the name of punishing evil spirits in that child.

These Christians are not quoting out of contest. They were following the teaching of Jesus.

Jesus should have condemned killing of witches or any unjustified actions in the bible. He was silent which mean he is supportive

winner01:
Christ lived a perfect life. The fact that no atheist on this forum has found proof of otherwise is enough reason to believe. The stupidity of those who try to attach negativity to the name of Christ does not matter to me.

A good tree bears good and not evil fruit. Yahweh is evil and so is Jesus. Therefore he is not perfect.

A perfect being won't go on rampage cursing everything, including tree which doesn't bear fruit, because he is hungry.

A perfect person wouldn't beat hold men with horsewhip. The rod should not be spared for a child, not Adult.

A perfect person would advocate for universal peace. But Jesus boldly said he didn't come for peace. He was here to raze the earth down with fire. And asking his followers to hate their parents and siblings.

winner01:
Hell fire was created for the devil and his angels, you can choose hell if you freely will. No one will take your freewill from you.

The question is not what is hell created for. I asked, who created hell.

winner01:
Lol so what did the version I quoted for you mean? Also what does this verses mean:

For the lips of an immoral woman drip honey, And her mouth is smoother than oil; But in the end she is bitter as wormwood, Sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down to death, Her steps lay hold of hell" (Proverbs 5:3-5 NKJV).

1 Corinthians 6:13, "The body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body."



Why was Rahab, the prostitute in Jericho spared? What did she do and why was she spared? And she wasn't even the only prostitilute in Jericho.

You guys ehn

You still don't get it. The verses you quote still doesn't negate the act of prostitution, not one of the verse is close to negation of the act. It rather speaks focus more immorality. Maybe you don't know, there is difference between immorality and sin. The later is a wrong against the divines while the former is wrong against social norms.

A quick example...it is wrong morally for a child to smoke cigarette. But that same stick of cigar can be lighten up by adult and smoked up. To an adult, it is morally and legally right to smoke. Anyways, smoking isn't a sin.

Another case is drug deal. It is morally wrong but not a sin.

Prostitution is a sexual immoral act which the bible at no point mention that it is a transgression away from the divine law. Jesus was silent when a prostitute washed her feet with her hair. Normally, the jew saw that the prostitute is into a immoral business and wanted him to rebuke her which Jesus rather remained silent.

If prostitution is wrong, God wouldn't have asked Amos to marry one.

winner01:
The people who lived during the mosaic law didn't know anything about Christ and so how could you even call them Christians? Are you this desperate?
Also the mosaic laws given by Moses were social, ceremonial and ethical, God didn't necessarily approve of it. I proved in the thread below that Jesus confirmed that some laws which were permitted by God to the old testament characters was not necessarily approved by God.
https://www.nairaland.com/4424673/slavery-bible-answers-christians-atheist

There is nothing like mosaic law. The laws were directly from God himself. The tablet that has the 10 commandment was not written by moses, they were from God.

Maybe the law of God is flexible. Maybe the old laws are not valid today. But our pastors quote the same from the out dated mosaic law to furnish their tithe teaching.

winner01:
Christians anywhere in the world can do anything they want. The great thing is that most historians know the kind of life Jesus Christ (whom all Christians emulate) lived.

So any pastor can drink hypo, give his members snakes or even ride on his members. We know those who really want to be like Christ.

Atheists have also been the biggest mass murderers in history, maybe they were acting according to their new worldview which sees humans as nothing but bags of chemicals.
https://www.nairaland.com/3232176/atheist-presidents-heads-state-quick

Who were those christians who kill old women and little children emulate?

winner01:
I don't see you agitating against Islam especially considering the fact that they kill people almost everyday all over the world. Maybe you don't concern yourself with lies

Jesus won't burn anyone in hell. Sinners are in danger of hell. You automatically choose failure if you decide not to succeed. You choose hell by rejecting Gods love. You can make a decision to do anything, just be ready for the consequences.

Christ lived a perfect life and spread the message of love. You know this except you want to be stupid. Christ is the focal point of Christianity.

Which Christ lived a perfect life? Lol

Who creates hell fire?

winner01:
You do not know what is in the Bible, its then funny you speak with so much certainty.

Proverbs 23:27-28 says, "For a prostitute is a deep pit and a wayward wife is a narrow well. Like a bandit she lies in wait, and multiplies the unfaithful among men."

You can get more info on what the bible says about prostitution here. Link

Witches are not beyong Gods redemption. No christian has any right to judge or condemn a witch.

The Christians judging witches are not Christ-like. No one is without sin. And like I said, just anything can be used as a source of evil. Religion, marriage, science etc

I proved that in my thread: https://www.nairaland.com/4416369/atheists-mind-free-enough-question

Lol.

The bible verse you quote does not rebuke or say anything ill about prostitution.

Did you know only the prostitute in Jericho were spared when the city was destroyed? Did Amos not took unto himself a prostitute as instructed by God? You can please point to a place where prostitution is disallowed. Jesus was silent about it too.

The bible guided Christians to kill any witch they come across.

Exodus 22:18
Never let a witch live.

That verse above is a film instruction from the bible. And some Christians all across the world, now in Nigeria, have been killing innocent women, poor men and little children whom are accused of been witch.

A pastor sometimes came onboard and said he had killed 110 children. This happened here in Nigeria some years ago. We have many cases of this in the west, outside Africa and even in the west. These people who killed are Christians, following the instruction in the Bible.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/08/25/nigeria.child.witches/index.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver

The general perception of boko haram is that they are Muslim terrorists, fighting jihad. This is truth because their struggle is founded on the teaching from the quran. And yes, they stood their ground with verses from the quran. Christians who kill innocent women and burn children alive are not exempted. They are Christians and their actions are backed with the Bible. This is fact.

Jesus will burn witch in hell fire. So Christians are doing the job here. Maybe that is their own form of christ-like

winner01:
The focal point of Christianity, Jesus demonstrated that prostitution was wrong. This is not disproved by Gods infinite mercy.

Anyone can back evil with religion, marriage, politics etc like I indicated in one of my recent threads. Also Christians don't always accurately understand or represent the teaching of scriptures and that's okay. Jesus would never hurt a witch rather would try to show him/her the way in love. Christ-ians are people who want to be like Christ

The Bible didn't say prostitution is wrong. In many cases where prostitutes appears in the Bible, no where it is mentioned that it is wrong. Even God asked Amos to marry one. The lne in Jericho were spared. Another one washed Jesus feet with her hair. If these were wrong, the prostitute would have been rebuked.

Wouldn't Jesus born witched in hell?

And are you denying those Christians killing innocent children tagged witch not Christians? Whose teaching are they following?

winner01:
Jesus, who is the focal point of Christianity, stood against religious zealots ready to stone a prostitute. Jesus would not stone a witch and no Christ-ian should too.

Bible is not against prostitution. We have many cases of where prostitutes were not punished for their act but were rather blessed. Jericho story and Amos comes to mind.

The case here is witch. Should Christians spare with witch? Are those Christians killing witches in the Eastern Nigeria not following the instruction in the Bible? Their argument was backed with the Bible. Are they not Christians?

The Gods might be crazy

Emmanystone:
You have to be very careful with a mindset such as this. This is the kind of guy who can take a gun and kill anyone in side, because, after all, life is meaningless.

It scares me to read his mind.

How come you ain't scared of those who killed innocent children accused of been witch? Afterall they were following the instruction of Yahweh

AnonyNymous:
You're still fixated on the destination. It might take some time but once you figure out that the journey is all that matters, you'll lose all these thoughts. Good luck!

This is nothing but truth.

Many times, when I am thinking deep about my life, I always feel not fulfilling. The thought started when I was very young. I go to school, crave to pass and after passing, I will not be happy deep inside. Maybe it my upbringing, I am not used to hanging out with friends. I naturally shy alot, and fear easily creep into me.

I want to have some amount of money, fuucck some beautiful girls, do what other boys in the hood do but after all these, no fulfilment in me. The hole will still be there. Until when I married and have a son. I love talking with him, play games, sing and run around with him. Surprisingly, I want more of it. It seems my happiness is implanted in him. I just want to see him and crave to make him happy. For now, I enjoy it and want more.

Maybe OP should try new things. Something that would make him happy.

deboysben:
and you are Saint right?

This is the kind of mindset that has set the entire continent on a back gear. Is there no law in this country again? Should criminals be forgiven because every other persons are into crime? The law should take it place. All those found guilty should be penalized according to the law of the land.

That who commit a crime should be able to pay the price, face the consequences of his action. This is where the law come to play.

You corruption advocate are just stupid. This woman have stole your future. She went to the best school in the United States while the money meant for the development of Nigerian schools are stolen. She bought two bulletproof cars as if Nigeria is at war but you are and many of your families exposed to security risk. She has enough money to feed for the rest of her life because she has stolen your future and that of your children and children children. You are jobless and have no source of living but still bent on defending a criminal who knows not you but have stolen and eaten your future. You set of Nigerians are dickheads.

deboysben:
Those of you accusing her of buying a bullet proof car. how are you sure that she bought the car with govt money or her own money.

Are you new to Nigeria? That woman is a criminal

Why is the prostitute fuming? Was she not sacked from her office because of corruption allegations tied in her neck? She escaped justice because one of her bed mate is the president. She should sue the fg if she is innocent. We no need het baseless tantrum

successinlife:
Dindirin,oloshi,oloribu

Your father. A cursed soul

successinlife:
You are a compound full.Who are you to call a whole nation mofos? scumheaded idiot,Bleep off from Nigerian hatred. Ewu goat.

Zombie. You have actually sold your brain. It was probably exchange with bible crap

Emmanystone:
Pls answer me. How many demons are living inside of you o pagan.

Demon worshipper. Have you drank Jesus blood and eaten his stinky flesh today?

Emmanystone:
I never knew you were like this. How many of them are living inside of you?

Demon worshipper

Have you worshipped the zombie today?

You cannibal, how many pound of his flesh have you eaten or litre of his blood have you drank?

PAGAN9JA:
FFK is right. some ppl aare in denial. cowards.

i dont know about his previous dealings but atleast he was courageous enough to come forward on this one.

Courageous to speak about it online? How about sending the bastard king out of the palace?

successinlife:
Check very well before you spew shit, you are a slowpoke.A castrated nonentity.Did i insult you?come again and thunder fire your dead scum.

You are calling Thunder huh? Why can't you call your dead Jesus.

I repeat, you foolish Nigerians are brainwashed mofos. You have no brain of your own to think critically on your own.

Emmanystone:
See Epilepsy. In a bit to post scriptures out of context you went from one seizure to hemorrhage. Make sure your brain doesn't crash.

The bolded exposed you satan.

How do you hate your life to follow God? When you can answer me that, i will expose more of your lies.

Shiiit. I never saw it coming. Do you christians have a thinking cap?

Before I start, have you seen that your beloved Jewish demon called Jesus(the real jew observed he was likely possessed) is narcissistic cult leader. He is passing n instruction for his new prey to turn against their parents, friends and family, and join his new cult - anti family cult. You have actually been misled. No family love in Christianity.

The answer to your question is straight. It has to do with personal growth.

The levite gave all they had to Yahweh, their imaginary skydaddy, and they had nothing unto their name because Yahweh has denied them a free live. Yahweh made their life miserable by making them live in penury. They had no inheritance, no land, no farm, no money, and no good life. They hated their own life so well that they had to drop it for Yahweh new fond kind of life.

Some of the disciple of Jesus were fishermen, tax collector, physician and many other professions. This is their OWN life until Jesus asked them to thrashed that and live in abject poverty to preach evangelism and beg for food.

Would anyone who love his life thrash his field to live another one laid out by Yahweh?


Jesus explain better....

Mark 8:34-38:
And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

Jesus that wants one to hate his family, friends and deny self from living life fruitfully is a kind of Charles Manson.

A God who wants his followers to hate their people is a demon.

A God who doesn't want to enjoy life or deny himself fruitful things on earth is a demon.

You have failed to tell us how hateful you are toward your parents.

Emmanystone:
Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exodus:20:12

Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians:6:1

Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
Ephesians:6:2

That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Ephesians:6:3

^^^^These must be coming from your ancestors.

Ohhh. Those are the cherry picked verses your sunday school teacher taught you. You, however, was so dumb not to explore the bible more.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.


That is not enough. Do you want more nugget? It is surprising you are a hateful brainwashed lad but you are only following the teaching of your pastor. He could have told you about how you should hate your non Christian parents, grannies and extended family. He would have told you countless rhetoric about how association with these fella would make you end in some imaginary hell. He didn't actually backed it up with bible verses like that above. Hating one parent is the pass intp discipleship and Jesus followership.

Deuteronomy 33:9
The Levites obeyed your word and guarded your covenant. They were more loyal to you than to their own parents. They ignored their relatives and did not acknowledge their own children.

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You want more fun dear?

Only a demon would command her followers to hate their parents and siblings. We call this form of followership christinsanity.

The demon has made you hate your parents. Tell us how much you hate them

Emmanystone:
Wow, guy calm down. Why this kind of anger on a resurrection day? Pls don't go into epileptic seizures. Me and you don quarrel before?

Choi, demons dey vex when you expose them.

Ancestors are still demons.

Resurrection of zombies. Jesus nd Yahweh are demons. The later love for blood is out of this world.

How have you been faring hating your father and mother?