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TheGoodJoe:
You can have a taste here. And get a glimpse of the missing prowess of Awoniyi. Tell the guy to work on his finishing. A midfielder equalling his goal rate and you say outclassing. I laugh in Skills voice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8in3DjLDrAw

LOL. How does a midfielder get more begging chances than a striker. Was the striker that poor in getting to space?

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Missing prowess of Awoniyi com turn to marketing of Yahaya.

He was a winger in most of those matches. No excuse!

After all, Ronaldo is not a point man but still had more chances than many point men yet he scores when he sees the opportunity. That can't said about Yahaya.

Chai! Na even one assist em get and one of the goals he scored was as a result of Awoniyi's selflessness to assist him to had scored. Chai!

TheGoodJoe:

Stop arguing pure facts. He is a striker and had the most chances to score among all the team mates. There are highlights of this to show how poor Awoniyi was. Awoniyi was not fantastic. A better striker would have done more. Game after game, Awoniyi fluffed and missed Chances. If it was under Westerhoff, that guy will not play another game in that tournament.

Yahaya would have recorded a higher assist figure if Awoniyi would just finish. One in one chances. Tap in chances he missed. You are here talking of him being better than one of the top promising talents in the game.

Just as I told you about Solanke, I will tell you the same about Awoniyi. To play upfront and get to the top, you need high conversion rate. Awoniyi's conversion rate from the U17 till now has been poor. He has to step up. Breathing facts fire does not change it. He was not awesome at the U17. If you like point assist. He is a point man with poor conversion rate.

Awo should hit the field and improve his conversion rate.

Which fact? You are not presenting fact, you are just presenting your opinion.

The fact remains that Awoniyi didn't start in two matches. It counts a lot.

Post highlights mo we see.


He was not fantastic but came on in his second match to get an asisst and score the equalizer against Sweden. I know you will be among those who screamed goal with your hands almost chopped off.

He wasn't good but he singlehandedly scored two goals against Uruguay. He was not good...... Game after game he rescued the team with his goals and assist.


Who no dey miss chances?

Yahaya? He missed more begging chances than Awoniyi. who no know that one?

TheGoodJoe:

You can call it yeye but it was and still is a remarkable achievement for a left back. So impressive that a big club like Chelsea but him.

Did Celestine Babayaro ever had that honour to be called CAF young player of the year? :oChai!

TheGoodJoe:

Your Ligue 1 facts and figures. As I said, it does not show anything when it comes to the left back role. Taiye Taiwo would never reign in the EPL as long as Celestine did. The kind of players Celestine faced in the EPL regularly, Taiye Taiwo would never smell. The type of players Celestine faced in the National team, Taiwo never smelt them. Facts and figures.

Your fund of this kind of argument. That is how you ran up and down this thread breathing fire that Solanke is better than Iheanacho. Just the same thing. Shouting facts and figures. It just shows your football judgment.

He never reign in the EPL but he was crowed the best left back Africa ahead of those who reigned and ruled in EPL.

Chai!

TheGoodJoe:


There is no need arguing something that is too easy to tell. Eight years in Chelsea and 132 games for Chelsea with a Chelsea top player Graeme Le Saux in the same role says it all.

Before Celestine Joined Chelsea, he was the best young player in Belgium for two seasons. Not best young wing back or defender. Best Young player. For someone who claims to have eyes and watch games, there is no debate here.

This is what is called dragging. Shouting facts does not change nothing. They are not mates. Not in club football or Nigerian football. Taiwo's best performances was in a dead League with no competition. Ligue 1. Celestine's reign was in the EPL.

Which legendary Super Eagles game will you see Taiye Taiwo?

You mean best young player in the Belgian pro league outweighed CAF young player of the year?

See as that one laurel take strip the yeye Belgian pro league player of the year.

Dead league team with no competition dey flog the Champions of the living league. Chai!

TheGoodJoe:

Did Yahaya who is a midfielder not score equal amount of goals with Awoniyi, 4 goals? Does that not show how poor he is? Do you know how many chances created by Yahaya that Awoniyi missed that would have increased Yahaya's chances? Now you are blaming Yahaya for Awoniyi's misses.

Awoniyi raked more assists because the players he passed to can finish. Yahaya created chances that would have increased his assists tally but unfortunately, their attacker Awoniyi missed loads.

Don't tell you don't know Awoniyi didn't not start two matches while Yahaya played all the matches from the beginning to the end?

Do you know how many chances Awoniyi created for Yahaya and Co that would have increased Yahaya chances?

Do you know how many chances Yahaya blew away that could have increased his chances due to his selfishness?

Awoniyi passed those balls because he was not as selfish as most of his team mates.

joseph1013:
Taye Taiwo...best left back we ever produced? Bros, you dey fall hand walahi. Shebi you talk say you dey follow Palle go watch ball. Why you no con know Benedict Iroha. Yisa Sofoluwe nko? Babayaro nko?

icon4s, see Nigeria life outside.

I know dey fall hand I am saying it as it is plan and clear. No sentiments.

Taye Taiwo is by far better. I have seen dem play. I get facts and figures.

TheGoodJoe:
What is record and facts? Football is beyond record and facts. You have watched both of them play. You have eyes. That is why you are running up and down the thread with Awo. You suppose to be able to watch football and tell a better player.

When Renato Sanches came in as a Sub. You watch to tell whether he is a good player. You judge if his good. He was special that night. Will you go and start digging records and facts.

Celestine is one of the greatest left back I ever saw. I watched this guy do some amazing battle. Watch his games in Atlanta against Mexico, Brazil and Argentina.

Watch his game against Spain. Watch how Celestine drifts into midfield and combines with the likes of Oliseh and Okocha in midfield. He plays neat tidy passes to keep possession. Overlaps and tracks back effortlessly.

Football is beyond goals and shots. Are you going to dig out passes completed between Celestine and Taiwo? Are you going to give us interceptions and distance completed?

There is no debate here. They are not mates. If you can watch one of Celestine Babayaro's games against AC Milan. When AC Milan was AC Milan with legends and see Celestine pull out a memorable game. Do you know Celestine's longevity at Chelsea? Do not go there.

Facts and records simply means what they used their.. e drift, e combines, e posses, e passes neatly, e tracks, e overlaps, e tracks effortlessly etc take 'WIN INDIVIDUAL LAURELS.' Shikena! The rest na grammar. Like old men will claim em sabi play pass Pele but nothing to show for it.


Yes! I have eyes God gave me to see but the judgment of many thousands eyes matter most.

The world had judged already. Taye Taiwo better pass Celestine Babayaro. Fact!

The world deals with facts and that's all.

TheGoodJoe:
Awo did not outclass Yahaya. I disagree. Awo was the striker upfront and all the fantastic team work fell to him to finish. How can you call that outclassing?

Which fantastic team work? So, Iheanacho didn't ride on the fantastic effort of his team to glory? He dribbled all the way from goal post to goal like Maradona to score all his goals abi?

At least em know where post dey. Besides, Awoniyi raked in more assist than Yahaya who is an attacking midfielder.

He outclassed him. Shikena!

Who no no that one.

TheGoodJoe:


There are sometimes you do not argue and watch. For instance as I said before, I was not excited about Iwobi. Even when Icon4s hammered he was a brilliant talent. However, I did not criticise because Arsene Wenger refused to let him go on loan because he was nurturing Iwobi himself.

This is a coach who has nurtured some of the brightest talents in the game like Nasri, George Weah, Van Persie, Ashley Cole, Anelka etc. This man knows a good talent when he sees one.

When Kanu had a heart surgery, Arsene Wenger took the risk because of his belief in Kanu's talent and gave him that 25 Jersey.

When such a coach who refined talents like Adebayor and Henry, takes a young amateur Kelechi Nwakali who has not played long with the gunners and drafts him into the first team. There is something special about the player. He is good beyond your comprehension.

At such times, you quit arguing and learn from the master.

At this point, you can not say Kelechi Nwakali is not a special talent. Arsenal first team after the U17 World Cup golden ball reminds me of one special talent. Cesc Fabregas.

Which master? Every club has a way scouting talents and we know Liverpool is not a push over in this regard.

We know Liverpool has produced world class players through their scouting system.

We know Liverpool is no mate of Arsenal when it comes to English and European football. They are far ahead of Arsenal.

So, tell me I pray you.

Is Awoniyi an inferior player based on the pedigree of the club that saw his talent before paying for his services?

TheGoodJoe:
Like seriously, you take Taiye Taiwo as a better talent than Celestine Babayaro. At all they do not match.

Of course, we check records and facts. You can bring it on and finish it once for all.

TheGoodJoe:

Success missed but you can not compare their missing rate. You can not even compare their finishing ability. Awo has the talent to make a fine striker. I have never stopped believing that and it is unfortunate the Work Permit issue affected Awo. I believe if he worked in Anfield with the Reserve attacking coaches, they would have polished his finishing.

However, when talking of talents, raw talent, Yahaya is a gem and a big class above Awo.

You last statement doesn't and can't annul the fact that both played in the same team but one outclassed one. Awoniyi was better.

They both sat for exams, one did better than the other. So, tell who got the talent?

tbaba1234:
Isaac Success played from the wings and was voted Granada's player of the season... Awoniyi is not yet on the same level.

After how many season?

Of course, Isaac is not on the same level but em dey miss fire wella and that's my point.

joseph1013:
No mind the guy. Anytime he wants to defend his Yo.....(hehehe) boys, na so so misyarn he go dey misyarn. You no see that Ajagun and Taye Taiwo argument too? Forgetting that some of the us here sef na confirm odudu... pikin. But we no dey do sentiments for team selection.

Forgiveness, abi I lie?

No no no! you are getting me wrong. I defend the defendable no sentiments attached.

Some said Awoniyi is not among the top 5 players that graduated from the U17 but I disagree because I saw them play together and he was far better than Yahaya.

Ajagun deserved to have played in the National team ahead of some players but I no wan mention name..


Who is the best left back Nigeria ever produced?

Na Taye Taiwo be the answer. I get facts to prove am.

So you be Omo Odu....... me I no check that one ooooo. I am a defender of Justice.

joseph1013:
This guy will not kill me. So the scouts of Arsenal, which is one of the best in the world, only saw the penalties he took? Arsene Wenger with a great eye for talent only saw penalties. Even the group of tacticians at the U17 who voted him as the best in the tournament only saw his penalties?

Oga, you didn't see his leadership qualities, his range of long passes, the way he calms the tempo and speeds it up when the need arises, his excellent freekicks and the way he packs shots.

Na wa to you o.

Na so I take see am.

OK na! Una never see Sani Emmanuel ba?

Where you expecting to see another player to win the MVP?

TheGoodJoe:
forgiveness is leaving out the part that the only reason Chidebere Nwakali and Yahaya are not in the EPL is because of Work Permit issues. There was a lot of promotion in Tottenham and lesser talents get the chances.

The Debate of Awo and Yahaya does not even add up. tbaba1234 is right listing Yahaya among the World Class talents we have.

Awoniyi has a lot of work to do to measure up. He can not continue making the same finishing mistakes for over three years. Awo should not waste his ability and start training his finishing.

It is his choice but it doesn't change the fact on ground on what I know.

Even Isaac Success dey miss fire like crazy for La liga, face to face with keepers live and direct. I saw it with two na.ked eyes.

Compare Tottenham with Liverpool then you will understand.

tbaba1234:
Musa was one of the best performers when venlo were relegeted. The same can not be said of Awoniyi.

But he was relegated with his team. Okocha was relegated with his amazing skills.

Musa a one time player to score 17 goals in the Nigerian league was unable to save his team after he spent 3 good seasons while Awoniyi a novice in professional league football should turn to Maradona over night to save his already sinking club.

That is an irony.

Make we see.

tbaba1234:
He kept firing blanks and missing chances..

Let us not forget that his team got relegated.

I see but how come they kept using miss firing and blunt Awoniyi?

Even Kanu nwankwo team don suffer relegation before, Okocha team don suffer relegation before, Martin team don suffer relegation before, Ahmed Musa team don suffer relegation before etc.

So, Wetin change for those players?

joseph1013:
Who did they loan out?

It seems you are referring to Chidiebere Nwakali. That's not whom they are talking about.

Have you heard of Kelechi Nwakali before. He was the best player at the last U17. He is at Arsenal. Wenger gave him Kanu Nwankwo's no, 25. He is a potentially world-class player.

He has more potential than Awoniyi.

Hmm! I see. Thanks

Is he not the lad Emmanuel Amuneke raised his stock with the duty of taken penalties?

The potentially world class talents that could not break into Iheanacho and Awoniyi set?


Kelechi Nwakali to me is not.....

I saw that team from the beginning to the end. I can only see Osimhen and one or two other players. The rest na...

Hmm! Na em I go talk.

tbaba1234:
Osimhen was far more dangerous than Awoniyi. Awoniyi has looked bad, not just for the Olympic team but in the german second division. Maybe he needs to be moved up slowly. If i have a team right now, i will pick Osimhen ahead of Awoniyi.

Yahaya had contractual issues but when it was sorted, he looked awesome. Porto saw enough in his short spell to snap him up. He is still developing but he is way ahead of Awoniyi right now.

Yes! Osimhen was far more dangerous than Awoniyi in that tournament.

Maybe something is wrong with the lad.

If Awoniyi was not good, no German team would have used him. The fact that he played more games baffled me because I know German teams don't work with unfit players.

I don't know what you used in measuring his performance but why was he used consistently?

I would like to see Yahaya play once again to have a proper assessment of his talent.

Icon4s:
Awoniyi was a disaster. Osimhen was even better.

That was glaring for all to see with exception of one player. All the players were disastrous as well.


What happened to Iheanacho at the U20 FIFA World Cup?

Don't you think he flopped big time in that tournament?

So, should we say he lost his talent?

And he is now an average player?

Icon4s:
Yahaya is nt a striker. Awoniyi only missed d first game.

Yahaya is by far a more skillful player.
Thankfully they are both still elligible for d next U20.

I wish Amuneke invites them both. Awoniyi may nt even make d U20 final list as he may have d ff players to compete with:
Victor Osimhen
Orji Okonkwo
Chidera Eze
Sadiq Umar

However, Yahaya on his part i believe can easily walk into d starting 11 of dat team

Awoniyi came in as a substitute in 72 minutes for Ezeh and in the 32 minutes for injured success against Sweden.

We know what he did in that match. He singlehandedly got us a draw. He outshined Yahaya by miles in that tournament.

You say he is a striker but how come a striker had more assist than an attacking midfielder(Yahaya)?

No excuse. He was better than Yahaya in both tournament.

Who skills don epp? Skilful or not Awoniyi better pass am during that tournament.

Who is Oriji Okonkwo? Who is Chidera Eze?

Those players got there based on.... because I know see wetin that team play.

Their Barcelona style of play won them the tournament. There were just one or three good players in that team.


Wait for the U20 tournament then you will know.

Icon4s:
Awoniyi is average. Nwakali is among the most talented 17yrs olds in the world today.

Talented players can b spotted once dey play at U17. Compare Nwakali of U17 & Awoniyi of U17.

If Awoniyi is average Nwakali is below average.

If he is why loan him out?

Yes, you're right. That is why Liverpool spotted him.

Compare what? Nwakali wey no fit break into that team na em you wan take compare Awoniyi, one of the best in that tournament.

That enough shows Nwakali set na average players full am. I never fancy that set. They won due to Barcelona style of play and that's all.

Icon4s:
Did u ever watch Yahaya play at U17 & U20?

Hmm! You mean a player who came to replace Success and still went ahead to score 4 goals and 3 - 4 assist is lesser than Yahaya who started the tournament from start to finish but scored only 4 goals and 3 assist at the U17. Erh! Awoniyi outclassed him because he saved us in many games and single handedly won matches.

At the U20 tournament, Yahaya was outclassed by Awoniyi by miles. Scored two goals and 2 assist(thereabout) while Yahaya scored only 1 goal.


Now, see the statistics with your eyes. Who better?

Icon4s:
Awoniyi's lack lustre performance was part of y that team looked poor upfront. Ajayi and Osimhen contributed far more than Awoniyi in that tourney.

No no no no. I no gree. From the centre backs to the wing backs, to the Milfield( Azubuike and Etebor are exceptional) and to the wingers na.....


So, you can't put all the blame on Awoniyi. That one I no gree.

I saw the match, all flopped. That's all.

Icon4s:
Awoniyi ahead of Nwakali?

Bros no o. We are talking abt talent here o.

Bros, I know na. When I see a talented player I know.

Nwakali is not ahead of Awoniyi. You just wait for the U20 tournament then you will know.

tbaba1234:
Have you watched Awoniyi recently?

I have watched both, yahaya still has it. Awoniyi has stalled.

I saw Awoniyi at the Africa Olympics football qualifiers. The team was bad I mean very bad. So, how do you expect him to shine without a good passer?

Yes, he was very porous in that match and recently but talent na talent and you can't just loose it in a day.

How did he stall? He saw more games in a better league than Musa Yahaya last season.

So, how did he stall? Siasia just wan destroy that boy career by forcing him into the Olympic Football team.

The boy na small boy compare to his peers. He lacks confidence and he is too weak to face tough defenders but that doesn't remove an atom of talent from him.


He needs to chop akpu and carry weight for his stamina.

I just dey observe.

tbaba1234:
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Yahaya just signed for Porto after just a few months in portugal. The world class potential is certainly there.

So, is he better than Awoniyi who signed for Liverpool?

Remember, Liverpool is rated higher than all the clubs the top players on your list play for?

I rate Awoniyi higher than Yahaya.

Although, I don't want him to be selected for the Olympics because he is too timid, fragile, young, inexperience and out of form but nevertheless you cannot take away his talent from him.


My top 5 potentially world class talents from the U17 are.

1, Osimhen
2, Success
3, Iheanacho
4, Awoniyi
5, Nwakali

tbaba1234:
In terms of talent, the last couple of under 17 tournaments has produced 5 potentially world class talents.

1. Isaac Success
2. Iheanacho
3. Osimhen
4. Yahaya
5. Nwakali

Yahaya is no where near potentially world class talents.

Where did he play last season? How many matches did he play?

I rate Osimhen higher than all on your list.

Nwakali? I still dey observe the boy.