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Icon4s:
Oga, where are we going with all these questions

Well, some of the U15 players were graduated to the U17. I know of Awoniyi, Chidera, Iheanacho, Obasi. Other players came from academies.

I dnt know exactly what number of players were graduated into d U17. U know some players failed MRI and some came from other academies. I was nt with d technical crew so....
Can u give me the number?

As you can see, 4 players can't make a team. Therefore, we can say those 4 players where drafted into the U17 team with other players on trails. So, there was nothing like 'Awoniyi was the number 9 when we know there was no standing U17' the team went through the process of substition by elimination. The 9 shirt was not guaranteed for Awoniyi. He also went through the phases. In short, Bulbwa was the main striker then.

The team was not constituted before Isaac Success came because the team was still going through phases called substitution by elimination.


MRI was not used during the qualifiers to the CAF U17 2013 tournament. It was used prior to the tournament hence Ibrahim Alhassan was dropped. The second MRI test was conducted after the list was submitted to CAF but there was controversy because Ndidi and two Nigerians failed the test.

Isaac Success played from start to finish in the qualifiers and he was the joint top scorer with five goals.

Icon4s:
In future Some peeps will still blame the NFF if this one turns out to b another Alaba or Dele Alli.

What else do I say to make you believe NFF discrimination policy made these close door to play for Nigeria.

You invited a player and you wanted him to pay for his airfare and the affected players were mostly foreign breed. Haba! Why? It shows no sense of belonging from his father's land by that act of segregation and discrimination.

Icon4s:
All these your questions are too many abeg.

Awoniyi was the top striker in the team before Success came.

Benard Bulbwa kept Iheanacho on d bench at d CAF U17.

Ibrahim Alhassan failed MRI prio to CAF U17.

Most of the U15 players were graduated to the U17.Awoniyi, Iheanacho was among them.

Note: Iheanacho was nt a number 9.

I cant remember whether d team played Botswana bt i know Success joined d team jst before the 5-0 & 4-0 bashing of Rwanda which which was before the first CAF U17 qualifier game in Niamey Niger where d team won 4-0.

Back to the argument:Isaac Success displaced Awoniyi from d number 9 position upon arrival at d camp.

And of coutse after several players failed MRI the camp was thrown open to more players. However, most of d players dat made d final list to d WC were at d CAF U17.

Which of ur questions have i nt answered?

[quote author=Icon4s post=47398278]Bros, are you saying the U15 team graduated automatically to form the nucleus of the U17 team?

Or some of the U15 players were drafted into the already existing U17 team?

Then if your answer is the first question, How many U15 players were in that U17 team?


Please, answer the @bolded first

chrisooblog:
forgiveness like you am a fan of awoniyi and believe he will eventually turn out to be a very good striker but let's call a spade a spade and not just a farm implement. awoniyi lately in comparison to his peers like isaac success, iheanacho, osimhen ect has been poor. his goal conversion rate in constrast to how many goal scoring opportunities he has is not good i must confess. football is a results based business so we cannot continue to wait on one guy hoping he will come good after numerous chances given to him. i think awoniyi needs to be dropped from the olympic team so he can go improve his game.

Maybe you misunderstood my point. I never compared Awoniyi with Isaac Success and Kelechi Iheanacho in the course of my debate from the onset even till date but I have only compared Awoniyi with Yahaya which I am still maintaining that Awoniyi is better than Yahaya. This I did with substantial amount of evidence which conformed with my assertion.


Moreover, I wanted to clarify that Awoniyi didn't get into the under 17 team by quota system, by chance, unmerited etc as some may have presumed, he was there because he was good as at that time and that he deserved to be included.


Therefore, we should sincerely put a line between pass performance and present performance of Awoniyi because some ignorantly said he Awoniyi is not good, directly or indirectly.

Having said that, Awoniyi current lackadaisical form has not gone unnoticed by me. As you may have rightly said he needs to be dropped from the Olympic team list. I concur but not to be replaced by another off form players too like Chikatara and Obaja at the expense of Kayode Olanrewaju and blessing. Shikena!

Remember, Awoniyi qualified us for the CAF U23 tournament by scoring two goals against Zambia. Now, that is the sentiments Siasia holds for his inclusion in the team.

Mickael2:
did u see that last goal we scored against an Arab team like that in the group stage? Obasi or something(he is short, that's how i remember him) he took a square pass and rifled the ball home. Someone got the assist, did that require any link up play? No. Link up play does not mean being able to pass the ball, even defenders get assists too

That is why you have to watch Awoniyi assist before you conclude?

Adenle041:
Hi, will give you the bolyn double press machine for 90,000 along also with its manual.

Sorry for the delay. Can you please post the pictures of your double press machine with the brick made from it? Thanks

Mickael2:
On the contrary. Iheanacho was a midfielder, always has been, even in the U13, i know when he played a game at Enugu, i saw it live

Maybe second striker to be precise.

Mickael2:
I believe you did not understand what I said. I said Awoniyi was the main striker and Success came and displaced him,isn't that what you just said?! Think before you reply.

Giroud has a lot of assists but that does not mean that his link up play is superb. Reason well please

I didn't only read what you said I also decipher what you meant hence my response.

You said 'his link up play is poor' but how do you assist without a thorough link up?

Mickael2:
Brother, Chidera Ezeh and Iheanacho were midfielders then. How will they be the 9?

I don't know why you can't just let it go

They were strikers in the U15 team before they were converted to midfielders after the arrival of Isaac Success.

Mickael2:
Couldn't agree more, I think Iheanacho case had to do with some alergies he developed prior to the tourney because I know he was a starter in their U15 if I remember well. And Isaac Success is just too good, Awoniyi was the main guy before him, when people were saying that he took his chances and was now better than Isaac Success I laughed, if you are in a team and someone comes and displaces you then you do not even deserve a chance. His link play is poor tbh, he is just a superb fox, Chicharito-style player.

Anyways it's pointless arguing about this

Do you know that in the same U15, Taiwo Awoniyi was once voted the Most Valuable Player at a Coca-Cola football competition in London 2010 ahead of Kelechi Iheanacho and Chidera Ezeh?

Kelechi Iheanacho was benched by Ibrahim Alhassan during the qualifiers that led to the CAF U17 2013. Even, after Ibrahim Alhassan lost his place in the team due to MRI Bernard Bulbwa still benched Kelechi Iheanacho.

It was until tafter they left Kelechi Iheanacho then took his chances. Such is life.


Is link up play is bad but he assisted 5 times during the U17 FIFA World Cup. Kontinue.

TheGoodJoe:
It will cost us nothing to cap him. He should not start but be on the bench. If we are leading in one of the games by a very good margin, we can give him the last five minutes.

That is why it should be as soon as possible. The guy is good.

Oooooo!

Icon4s:
Hahahaha bros no go there o.U no sabi d foundation of that team reach me o.

Isaac Success was one of the late arrivals in that team. He was from BJ Foundation, an academy based in Benin. Elderson Uwa Echiejile was also a product of that team.

Isaac Success was never part of the team from the U15. He joined later after d U17 had already been constituted. He personally made himself available(jst like Osimhen) for team selection.That I think was prio to the double header friendly against Rwanda which was played in Calabar and Kigali. This was still even before the commencement of the qualifiers for CAN U17.

Awoniyi was d team's top 9 before Success came.

When I visited the team's camp early 2012 in the company of the a Benin based radio correspondent, Isaac Success was nt yet a member of the team.

I personally told Awoniyi that he was the Yekini of that team.Success was nt there then!

As for Ibrahim Alhassan aka Muazam, he alongside Wilfred Ndidi and 3 others failed d MRI jst the week of commencement of the CAF U17. so it was Benard Bulbwa that was benching Iheanacho at the 2013 CAF U17 and not Muazam.

Bros, are you saying the U15 team graduated automatically to form the nucleus of the U17 team?

Or some of the U15 players were drafted into the already existing U17 team?

Then if your answer is the first question, How many U15 players were in that U17 team?


Now number 2 question; If the U17 had already been constituted before Isaac Success came to the camp then;

i, Why was the camp still opened for screening prior to the first preliminary match against Niger?


ii, was Isaac Success grafted into the team prior to the CAF U17 in Morocco or was he part of the team that started the first preliminary match against Niger in Nigeria?


iii, was Awoniyi not grafted into the U17 team from the U15?


iv, which of these friendlies came first between Rwanda and Botswana?

Number three questions,

Do you mean Taiwo Awoniyi was the number 9 ahead of Chidera Ezeh and Kelechi Iheanacho?


Ibrahim Alhassan failed MRI test prior to the main tournament and not before the first preliminary matches that led to the CAF U17 2013 tournament.

Ibrahim Alhassan was the lad that benched Kelechi Iheanacho during the qualifiers that led to the qualification of the CAF U17 2013 tournament. We are talking about the process that led to the CAF U17 2013 tournament.

linked:
You need forgiveness... REPENT and the "residents" of this thread may forgive you.

What do you know about Forgiveness and Repentance?

Check my moniker then you will understand.

Napoleon55:
Sir Forgiveness pls read ur comments above concerning K. Nwakali being a potential world class player or not and forgive yourself

Where did I say he not a potential world class player in that post?


I said Kelechi Nwakali was unable to break into Awoniyi set.

Kelechi Nwakali is not........

So, show me where I made that statement.

Forgiveness!

Abegi, make u no allow me turn this place to church ooooo.

Adenle041:
Hi forgiveness, appology for the delay in responding, been off the grid, I bought my double press @ bolyn construction company @100,000. Though am putting it for sale u could come and see

How much do you want to sell yours?

Although, he is working but I don't like the way he is handling religious issues in Osun State. That alone will give a bad name in the West.

Napoleon55:
I've noticed sir Forgiveness loves to pitch his tent in one side against the rest,whether he is right or not,if 10 out of 10 in the house agrees that K. Nwakali is a potential world class player based on what we've seen of him,he still maintains he's not.
Everyone agreed that Yahaya is better player than Awoniyi,he stood his ground,same with Babayaro to T.Taiwo.
Babayaro is one of the finest left back if not the best we've had to me

Like a fish that flows against the tide, I shall always flow against sentiments and bias analysis.

Did I say Kelechi Nwakali is not a potential world class player?

Everyone agreed? The last time I checked there was no census to determine btw who agreed and who disagreed. Just 2 or 4 agreed out of 1m Nairaland users.

As you can see, there is no agreement.

Yahaya is better but the statistics said otherwise. So, who is fooling who?

Or are we saying we know better than FIFA or CAF?

I am no ignoramus and I refuse to pretend to be ignorant.

Celestine Babayaro is better but he never smell one CAF award. Abassi bong!

Which kin analysis be dat?

I will always stand on solid ground backed with evidence. Na so dem take train me.

TheGoodJoe:
Are you sure you watched it? Talk true.

If you did, you would have known that the Netherland squad and our squad played our first game in the same stadium. They had bigger names than us and we later met in a fierce battle in the Quarter finals.

That was a big match because it was against the host and we won them by penalties. A long one. Mikel pulled his boots because of his inflamed ankle .

That was Netherland 2005 World Youth championship. Not South Korea.

Yes Mikel was by far better than Fabregas and Messi. Unfortunately, Mikel did not have goals.

Taiwo and Messi got to that list with goals. Mikel did not score in open play and was second. He earned it by pure Ballin'.

But as a whole, I will still take Fabregas as the best player but Mikel is not far behind and he has some memorable games to his name.

Of course, I did watch few matches. My memory is no longer go for Football.


The same way you think he was better than Fabregas was the same way voters thought and choose Taiwo.

Besides Taiwo scored only two goals. So, that should not be an excuse.

We had many who scored more than him.


LOL It was Netherlands not Korea. I am dam sure about that.

tbaba1234:
Babayaro struggled with recurrent injuries towards the end of his career. It was never about ability.

So, Taye Taiwo didn't struggled with injuries at AC Milan?

TheGoodJoe:


If he could not hack AC Milan, is it real Madrid. You did not follow Babayaro wella. It is a pure lie. If you did, you will not say he was not a main player. They were Champions League games that Babayaro was the one who sat by the side of Rudd Gullit.

How can a player play for Eight years in the club and he was not a main player.

If he could not is not the point. The point is they wanted him because they acknowledged his talent.


I am a Chelsea fan all because of Celestine Babayaro and Mikel Obi. Shikena!

TheGoodJoe:

As I said, that is all you know about 2005 tournament. Yet you want to argue 2005 WYC with those of us who watched Silva, Llorente and Fabregas lie and role on the pitch after Spain was eliminated.

You want to argue with us who watched Zuiverloon of Holland attempt multiple times to injure Mikel out of the Nigeria vs Netherland game. Mikel later walked to our medics and they slipped Ice cubes into his socks because of the hurting ankle.

You want to argue with us that watched in fright as the Moroccan side with one of the best strikers of the competition, Iajour were going to face us. Then we put up a good game and eliminated them. We cheered when Iajour got a red card and he spat on one of our players.

Or when we watched in eagerness the match between Spain and Argentina and Messi scoring one of the best goals of the competition, if not the best goal.

I watched 2005, it was amazing and we still see signs of their players, including those from Argentina like the Zabaletta, Silva and Aguero who all were part of the City revolution.

Taiwo was a good player in that competition. They were far better players. The awards do not tell the full story.

Far better or not. Taye Taiwo was voted the third best player of the tournament. Gbam!

Far better or not. Mikel Obi was voted second best player of the tournament. Gbam!

The rest na story.

Is Mikel Obi better than Fabegas?

My friend, I watched the finals of that tournament in South Korea. So, I can never forget. Though...

Icon4s:
I thought i was alone on Awoniyi's performances all along.

If not for that unfortunate Isaac Success' injury who for know Awoniyi? Isaac Success would have made it up to atleast 7goals in that tourney considering he had already scored 2 goals by the first half of his 2nd game.

I know a little bit if history of that team. Awoniyi was their top striker until Isaac Success gate crashed late into the camping and selection exercise. And this was after the team had played several series of friendly matches. It became Success all the way.

Who knew Awoniyi at the CAF U17 tourney of 2013?

Do you mean Awoniyi was their top scorer prior to the CAF U17 tournament?

Bro, don't give false information.

Isaac Success and Ibrahim Alhassan were the top joint goal scorers with 5 goals apiece. Isaac Success was already a full member of that team.

Ibrahim Alhassan was the lad benching Kelechi Iheanacho in that team. It was when he left Iheanacho started shining. Although, Kelechi Iheanacho was the top goal scorer in the friendlies, he was still not a starter in that team when Ibrahim Alhassan was there.


It was wen Alhassan left he became a starter in important games.


Such is life. But he came in and gave Nigerians a cause to smile and forgot about Isaac Success.


Awoniyi proved himself for the World to see. He scored 4 goals and assisted 5 times.

Statistics don't lie.

TheGoodJoe:

You can see another myopic statement. How can a player who can not hack it in AC Milan and QPR hack it in Real Madrid. LOL. Real Madrid or Valencia or Chelsea never thought of him. Taiwo is not in that level.

You see ya self? and you said you are current.

So, you don't know Taye Taiwo was offered by both Real Madrid and Ac Milan before he later choose Ac Milan.

Na wa ooo!

Did Celestine Babayaro ever dreamt of playing for Ac Milan?

Ac Milan and Chelsea are not in the same level. You know that.


What happened to Celestine Babayaro when Mouriho came to the club?

I followed Babayaro wella but I knew he was not the main player for Chelsea.......

TheGoodJoe:



Me, I know you are browsing Wikipedia and just talking. You said which Spanish players are better than Aguero. Me I will ask you where Taye Taiwo is today and which big club in football today did Taye Taiwo keep a regualar shirt over the likes of

Fabregas => Currently in Chelsea.
Silva => Currently in Manchester City
Llorente => Currently in Sevilla, just left Juventus.

Who is Taye Taiwo in European football. You argue things you do not know. Browsing Wikipedia and claiming knowledge shows how limited your knowledge of the facts is.

The Spanish sides were the favorite. They were the U17 Champions in 2003 before that tourney in 2005. They were good and their first match was electric. Llorente scored five goals in that game. This is not browsing Wiki. I watched it. I believed they would win it. Fabregas went on to play in a Champions League finals.

It was a shocker and an upset that they went out. It did not mean Taiwo was better than them or would ever get to that level. Ligue 1 is Taiwo's level. If he was special as you make him, a top scout would have removed him from Marseille just as Essien was hot cake in Ligue 1.

In that tournament, Taiwo was no where better than Rafinha. You did not watch most games. Just browsing. I watched. I can even tell you Rafinha was called Rafael then.

He was too good and he was clearly the best player for Brazil.

There was a time some years back, my younger sister asked me what happened to Rafael. She said she did not hear about him after that time with Mikel. This is a girl that does not watch ball at all. I doubt she even knows Everton but she remembered Rafael.

Taiwo scored some good long range goals and we went far. He was not exceptional to attract big clubs or make a stamp in Europe. No big games to class him a legend.

I know you have a poor judgment of football after your Solanke better than Iheanacho argument and it shines in all your arguments. Similar illogical ratings of players from those that watch the games.

If you watched 2005 well, you will know Taiwo was not as good as the likes of Silva and Fabregas and Rafinha.

Just as years from now, people will look at stats and team of the tournament and place Renato Sanches as a better player than Luka Modric in this Euros. But, those who watched most matches will know Luka Modric was special.

Babayaro played lots of great games. Put memorable performances. Lasted in a top team and was part of one of the great revolution of English football. It was all Manchester United and Liverpool till Arsene Wenger spoilt the Party and then Chelsea rose to disrupt the flow.

You can not browse Wikipedia to understand how Babayaro played to reach a level to start in the Super Cup finals against Real Madrid when Chelsea won the European cup against a Super talented Real Madrid with the likes of Raul, Seedorf, Guti etc.

Wikipedia or not.

Taye Taiwo was voted the third best player of the tournament while Mikel Obi was voted the second best player of the tournament. All the rest na story.

If Taye Taiwo was voted ahead of Aguero who you and I to disagree.

Football don pass make I dribble like Okocha. Football is what did you contribute. Shikena!

BascoVanVeli:
U should know better than to stand on caf awards. By that age Babayaro had already won u-17, olympics and played in the champions league. It is better not to compare cuz u then look like u are bashing the other.

Do you mean Obafemi Martins did not win the Serie A and played in the Champions League at that age before he won CAF young player of the year twice?

So, Taye Taiwo didn't not play in the finals of U20 FIFA World Cup by age?

He didn't play in 2006 Africa nations cup third place match at that age?


Do you mean Taye Taiwo didn't play in the Champions League at that time?

TheGoodJoe:


No one says Taiye Taiwo is not good. However, Taiwo would not grace those lists if he was in the German league, Italian, Spanish or EPL. He is not in that class now.

Reigning in Marseille in not the same as reigning in Chelsea. Is so simple. You can run around records to hide that simple fact. His reign was in Marseille. Taiwo would not have kept a regular position in any big club.

When he went to AC Milan, did Taiwo not vanish? That is what I mean. He could not make an impact or keep a regular place for one season.

But he grace that list ahead of those playing in those league.

You even stand better chances of winning in those league but Taye Taiwo grace the list against all odds. That is the koko.

Point of correction, Taye Taiwo didn't not only reigned in Ligue 1 but also reigned as the best left back in Africa 3 good times.


He went to Ac Milan at the wrong time. He should have gone to Real Madrid. See big big Clubs name.

TheGoodJoe:

That was a seven game tournament. Will you say Taiwo was a better player than Silva, Fabregas and Llorente? That is another weak argument. Spain had a poor tournament and crashed out early.

If Spain went farther, Taiwo would not grace that award.

In our team back then, there was a lot of star players within Babayaro's age. It was very logical that Babayaro will not win the CAF young player of the year. At that time, Kanu among the top ten players in the World. Not long from there, Ikpeba was one of the most lethal forwards in the game. Would Taiwo smell Jersey in that team, talkless of winning award.

Kudos to Taiwo winning the third best player of that tournament. But, he was not explosive. If he was that explosive, a bigger club would have come for him.

Look at Mikel, he was refreshingly outstanding and Manchester United and Chelsea battled for him. Taiye Taiwo was not that explosive. He scored some power driven goals but his play would never be in the class of the likes of Jordi Alba, Abidal, Alaba, Lizarazu and many more.

I no talk am! Say em must find excuses.

Taye Taiwo was far better than Fabregas, Llorente and Silver in that tournament hence the third best player of the tournament awarded to him.

'if Spain went farther.. ' you mean Spain had better players than Argentina with Messi, Aguero, Fenando Gago?

Tell me which of those Spanish players are better than Aguero?

Taye Taiwo was voted ahead of Aguero.
Fact! Maka why?
Or those who voted were blind ko?
He was not explosive but he was voted as the third best player.

Abegi, find better excuse.

So, during the time of Taye Taiwo there was drought of talented young players ba? Continue


This is the team Taye Taiwo dey roll with. Now, compare them with those on ya list.


We are comparing Celestine Babayaro with Taye Taiwo and not Lizarazu and Abidal. Taye Taiwo pass am

joseph1013:
LOL. Bros you are a troll How can you compare Cristiano Ronaldo with Yahaya. Haba. Which player apart from Messi is on the same level as Ronaldo? That's a very unfair comparison.

Why are you doing this na?

I hope they both do well, especially for Awoniyi to work on his finishing. He's got what it takes to make it.

because some people wan bring down somebody for somebody. E no go work.

Yes, I also wish them well.

tbaba1234:
Did you see how many misses Awoniyi had in that short video??

Hmm! Can you please tell me how many he missed?

TheSuperNerd:
https://kobznation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/tinubu.jpg


**Wat are u saying? Egbon, abeg take ya time ooo**

which time na?

BascoVanVeli:
Guy lockup.

There is nothing like lockup. Fact na fact and nothing man can do about it.

TheGoodJoe:

You can see how myopic your arguments get. Who was Celestine going to topple then. Was it Okocha or Kanu Nwankwo or Victor Ikpeba. Haba. These men were legends now.

How? Excuse don start again oooo.

Did Celestine Babayaro win CAF young player of the year? shimple question.

So, he was not good enough,erh!?

Taye Taiwo came third behind Messi in the U20 FIFA World Cup ahead of Fabrigas of Spain, Afellay Ibrahim of Holland, Ryan Babel of Holland, Raul Albiol of Spain, Juanfran of Spain, Fernando Llorente of Spain, David Silva of Man city , Pablo Zabaleta of Argentina, Ezequiel Garay of Argentina, Fernando Gago of Argentina, Sergio Aguero of Argentina , Rene Ardler of Germany, Radamel-falcao of Colombia, Graziano_Pelle of Italy, Rafinha of Brazil, Filipe_Luis of Brazil, Park Chun Young of South Korea, Onyekachi Apam of Nigeria , Chinedu Obasi of Nigeria, and the list continue.... Chai!


And they say Taiye Taiwo I no good pass Celestine Babayaro ko. I laugh in chichonchi. Chi chi chi chi!

The next year he won CAF young player of the year.

And only that one oooo. CAF team of the year 3 times.


Seriously, 54 African coaches, captains, press etc who voted for him where blind ko!?

Nigerian fans sentiments na bread and butter. Tank God the world can see.