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TAO11:
Bald mythomaniac.

Riddle me the historical information in the attachments below.

LMAO!

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Very insightful. I will come back to it when I am free.

gregyboy:
I don't believe in Oduduwa existence, Oduduwa was a mere idol worship in ife and never lived as a human being

But that is not concern me am not Yoruba

It doesn't change the fact on ground.

gregyboy:
Like i said he is playing the political chess game of superiority battle


Which started after 1914.......


The Oba of benin have no historical ties with Yoruba or Oduduwa, all the forged historical ties happened after 1914 which was done for cultural unity


The benin mibarch who agreed to this yoruba - false history is oba eweka 11


He used his name Eweka as the base for the historical lie,

In the myth it was eweka1

https://www.nairaland.com/6340975/name-benin-origin-benin-ife-conspiracy#97619218


You should also know that not all Yoruba are from ife most non Yoruba ife people accepted such history of Oduduwa ancestry for political and cultural unity


Visit the various thread on my profile for more

You mean Ewuare and the likes were forged?

I know Obantala was the oba in Ile ife before Oduduwa arrived and displaced him.

How come you acknowledged Oduduwa existence but you disagreed on Oranmiyam's existence?

TimeManager:
I repeat, at no time was there a conquest.

kiss the truth!

Show me the truth before I can kiss it.

nocomment2:
look you are too dum.b, I can't repeat myself again, I have already said it 4 times and the answer is on the comment which you are replying.

How come you have forgotten so soon about eyewitness accounts? I need proof or is it no longer relevant?

TimeManager:
There was no conquest.

kiss the truth!

I read it sometimes ago.

Balogunodua:
He is the rag of nairaland Yorubas Tao made sure of that

Kkkkkkkkk. Very funny guy.

nocomment2:
nobody was called ijaw when the paper was written.
The only people who fit the description are the people we call ijaw today.

Do I have to repeat this 100 times before you understand ?

How did you know jos referred to Ijaw?

Balogunodua:
Benin never one time in history conquered Lagos...

Then what happened? How did Ashipa become Oba? I want to learn ooo.

gregyboy:
Oba of Benin is playing political petty games with the rest monarch which started after amalgamation

. Yes they are all lieing on the Oduduwa history particular benun having anything to do with Oduduwa is the biggest lie of all, i explained all this in my profile

That's why behind their historical destabilization

No one decided to sue the other for lieing, because they know they are all lieing


Read my various thread in my profile for more info

Oba of Benin lied is what I deduced from your comment. It's possible but even he himself can't change the fact that Oranmiyam was Benin first Oba.

nocomment2:
It is weaird you didn't ask your fellow yoruba to stop speculating it is "oyo". As I said the people who perfectly fit the description are ijaw and as the paper gives several names for them among which you have the name Jos. Back then the name ijaw didn't exist yet !

Where did you learn some Ijaw were called Jos?

Balogunodua:
He is a dullard... believe me...

Hahahaha! The guy is grasping for straw.

gregyboy:
Tarrh


The trash is a political lie which was created after 1914 to historically the Benin with Yoruba to
Form one ancestry under the western region


If we are to be truthful nothing of such history historically took place, Oranmiyan coming to benin is a lie and was a forged history

You mean oba of Benin lied?

nocomment2:
what the hell are you talking about ?

Then stop speculating it was Ijaw.

jneutron4000:
Oranmiyan did not administer as Oba in Benin, even when he founded the Oyo empire and he became the first Oba ( first Allafin of Oyo) he still left and went back to Ile Ife his final resting place.

Oranmiyam did.

gregyboy:
Nope
Rubbish there was only one paramount ruler in Lagos when the British invaded lagos in 1850
Was the oba of lagos, who controlled the entire lagos, because his influence was little or not felt in some areas doesn't mean he wasnt overlording those areas,


British cultural influence didnt spread to all part of Nigeria, because the influence wasnt wide spread to those areas or because the British didnt war some tribes in Nigeria for colonization, does not meam British wasnt over lording them



If you have to go deep in those people history you say benin influence didnt get to, you will see there is a silent influence not pronounced benin had on the people

Check my profile to enlightening yourself more i have topics reveling the truth on my various threads

You are quoting the wrong person.

jneutron4000:
hahahaha funny you.

I am not lying.

nocomment2:
The document is right here, just take a look for yourself, the year of ediction is on it. You don't need my help for this.


Only God has the answer to this question, it is not available to mankind

The eye witnesses (there are many spreading accross several centuries) witnessed Lagos as being part of Benin empire, none of them talk about witnessing the establishment of Lagos.

Why are you asking me these stupid questions ?

What year was the account since you could interpret in English?

Did the eyewitness indicated Benin founded Lagos?

When was Lagos inhabited/founder?

jneutron4000:
conquest how What is the name of the war they fought to conquer Lagos? What year?

I read that long time ago but unfortunately can't get the link. It was like a movie.

nocomment2:
You guys just read rubbish online and believe you are Educated.
Once again, there was no igodomigodo and there was no ile-ibinu !

Go and tell oba of Benin that.

nocomment2:
No, oranmiyan was a fiarytale and the first time Benin empire called its emperor Oba, the story of oranmiyan had not been created yet.

Igodomigodo was ruled by Ogiso before the creation of Obaship. Oranmiyam introduced that and ruled for sometime before he finally left because of his foreign style of rule.

nocomment2:
What are you talking about ?
Let me explain how history works:

History depends on eye-witness accounts.
Eye-witness accounts are recorded on paper by people who witnessed the period of time with their own eyes.
Whatever you claim, you must produse an eye-witness account for it.

I know you guys are teenagers and that nigeria has never been good at historical studies and nigeria is even worse now that history was banned from schools for more than a decade. But the level of delusion and stupidity is annoying. At least have some modesty and stop acting as if you know everything. The average nigerian is functionnally an illiterate in history. But the worse is that he believes he is a genius in history.

What year was the account? What year was Eko founded?

Was the eye witness there when Eko was founded?

I want to see how intelligent you claim to be.

nocomment2:
what the hell are you talking about ?

They should have a base. Or were they ghost from nowhere?

nocomment2:
the problem si that google doesn't know everything, you see google is not a magician, it can not do time travel nor can it answer questions on its own, rather google directs you to a text written by someone and in this case a fairytale written by a person who was cluelsess about this topic.

I have read account upon accounts. Oranmiyam was the father of Eweka and Sango.

Christistruth00:
If it was Conquest Benin would own the Land at Isale Eko they don't the Awori Yoruba do

Oba of Lagos was King of the Lagos Slave and European Markets

He was a Babaloja

Benin didn't come to own, they came to have control over the water.

jneutron4000:
Eweka dynasty started the Obaship though Oranmiyan stayed in Benin but he did not stay too long

Google the first Oba of Benin and the result will be Oranmiyam.

nocomment2:
Please stop saying nonesense, in this paper it is very well explained that "ouyos" stands for "Jos" which we call ijaw today.
Also it's weird you didn't find it starnage that oyo people would be pirates, oyo are lnadlocked people who had no presence near the sea. ijaw are still pirates today.

The fact is you don't understand the text because you don't speak french and you also lack common sense.

From where did Ijaw invade Eko? I want to know their location as at then.

nocomment2:
Well you weren't there to see it ! unless you have some magical powers I do not know about.
However eyewitnesse wrote down that Lagos belongs to Benin.

So your self serving opinion is opposed to eye-sitness accounts.

Which magical power? That's the account after Benin conquered Eko. Did you read the account before Benin came?

jneutron4000:
Oranmiyan did not really style himself as Oba because he was a warrior, Nevertheless he stayed in Benin for a very short period, Eweka dynasty formally stated the Obaship and of course his father was Oranmiyan

Oranmiyam started the Obaship in Benin.

nocomment2:
No he is wrong, oranmiyan is a fictional character like hercules. You guys need to grow up and stop talking like children.

Who was Eweka's father? Who changed the name of Igodomigodo to Benin (ilu-ibinu)?

nocomment2:
oranmiyan is like fatherchristmass, he was made up in a story.
ife is a village and the story around ife was made up, the oni is just a priest of a village, the only link between ife and Benin empire would exist is ife was a village under Benin empire.

What was Igbodomigodo as at the time Oranmiyam came? City? Empire? Village?

You mean Oranmiyam never existed?

nocomment2:
Ok, I have had my fun with this scam artist named christistruth00. I am the person who actually found the historical document in question and posted it to nairalanda.
Here is the actual translation:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

The document comes from a book: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou

@ Areafada, Gregyboy, Samuk, Davidnazee.

Very obviously the metropolis being talked about is Benin !
Macof why are you such a liar ?
For your info, "langue de terre" means : "very narrow piece of land". You don't speak French and your Google translation won't translate that, because it is an expression.
While discussing history with you guys yoruba, it always comes down to this: you must lie ! But why ? It is history, it has already happened, why try to create your alternate reality ?

For readers who only want the truth, the text is here for you, don't be lazy, translate it.

Also, when you see expressions like "langue de terre" you have to first look at its meaning in a French dictionary ( just type the expression on Google, it should give you the meaning in french), then you translate the meaning (which would be words in french) into English.
Don't believe me, just do the work and don't be lazy.


Also, as can be seen in the third caption, "ouyo" doesn't mean "oyo". Ouyo refers to a bunch of pirates whom were also called Jos. The ouyo pirates are most likely ijo people ! Gbam !

Benin didn't own, they controlled some parts of Lagos Island by conquest and it didn't tantamount to ownership of Lagos.

The bolded simply means you are speculating.