gregyboy: Obantala, those gods were formed after benin military expansion into Yoruba areas
Anyway the word oba got into yorubland during benin military expansion into territories
There is ancient parable in owo, which says just as olodumare commands respect in heaven the oba of benin commands respect on earth
This is to show the oba influence on yoruba areas, to be accorded the status of a god on earth, So imagine how the name oba would go all over yoruba towns, and they all begin using it to name their gods and even titles
The myth of obatala was certainly formed after the word oba had been brought from benin to the yoruba people through her military influence
Benin expansion on youruba areas started 1300Ad so that is old enough for the idol obatala to be formed
Who led the first Benin military expansion into Yorubaland?
Omooba77: The Ondo State Government has declared that the presidency is emotionally attached to Fulani herdsmen.
The State Commissioner for Information and Orientation, Donald Ojogo was reacting to the statement by the Presidency against the directive of the State government banning the operation of unregistered Fulani herdsmen in its forest.
President Muhammadu Buhari’s Senior Special Assistant on Media and Publicity, Garba Shehu had condemned the directive by the Ondo State government.
However, Ojogo insisted that Shehu’s comment was inimical to the existence of Nigeria.
Ojogo, in a statement, said Shehu had stated “unambiguously, the position of the Federal Government.
“The Ondo State Government did not ask Fulani to leave the state.
“The governor said herdsmen who are unregistered should leave our forests.
“The statement from Garba Shehu is brazen display of emotional attachments and it’s very inimical to the corporate existence of Nigeria.
“We need clearly defined actions on the part of the Federal Government to decimate the erroneous impression that the inspiration of these criminal elements masquerading as herdsmen is that of power.
“Our unity is threatened, no doubt.
“It (statement) states in a breath that the governor fights crime with passion while it is prevaricating on the atrocities.
“The question is, are the herdsmen who are perpetrating murder, kidnapping and robbery more important than government and even the Federal Government in this case?
“Ethnic nationality and activism on the part of anyone hiding under the Presidency or federal government is an ill wind.”
BastardWike: This people and their useless propaganda all the time. Just look at how the idiat included abeokuta among economically important cities yet he excluded cities like Abuja, Aba, Enugu, Jos, Maiduguiri and Nnewi. Now, does this clown even understand the meaning of economically important? Tell me one area abeokuta is economically important to Nigeria? Should I list to you the numerous areas cities like Aba, Abuja, Nnewi etc are important to Nigeria so you can understand how myopic you are??
Shameless people, SMH.
Apart from Abuja omitted from the list, none of those cities you mentioned are more economically important than Abeokuta.
thatigboman: all these your Tales By Moonlight and no single literature to back them up. How can Porto Novo be under alaafin of oyo when dahomey women overan abeokuta and your greatgrandparents ran as the feet could carry them, abandoning the wives and children and hid under olumo rock?
Oyo Empire subjugated the kingdom of Dahomey long before Abeokuta ever existed.
In fact, the Egbas were still part of the Oyo Empire then.
It was after Alaafin Abiodun abandoned the policy of strengthening the military for Economic prosperity that the Egbas disagreed and left Oyo for Ibadan before they finally got to Abeokuta.
Waoh! Curamo was not derived from Benins afterall as revisionist would like us to believe because Curamo was long used by the Portuguese long before Benin ever had any contact with Lagos.
Very insightful.
Besides, who are the Benins (I am not talking about Edo)? I think they are Yorubas from the descendants of Oranmiyan.
I even heard the official language in Benin Kingdom palace was YORUBA. How true is this?
flavnwokem: I have been in Calabar since 2004, I reside in federal housing, I do morning jugging 4 times in a week to the international Conference Center, I know and have entered the conference hall countless times BUT this rail tracks and train in the picture I have NEVER seen. Abeg na the same Calabar we are talking about?
manduwem: 5years far, check it now. The current government in the state let the mono rail rot. Even the International convention centre the guy snapped n posted was b4 it was looted during #EndSars riots
TAO11: False fraudulent reasons as expected. I guess his ancestors also came because of herdsmen.
The reason of herdsmen came up during his visit to the Office of the Osun State Governor.
Check out the video below for one of his reason why he visited the Ooni.
Ewuare simply came to Ife to do the same thing that his own ancestors came to do — culminating ascension rites.
Note that they always come to Ife soon after they had just been crowned king of Benin.
The Ooni’s visit to Benin, on the other hand, was not because he was just crowned king of Ife.
Rather he went to Benin, just like every Nigerian dignitary, to attend the coronation ceremony.
No Ooni of Ife visits Benin just after he had just become Ooni.
It only happens with the Benin kings. They must visit Ife just after they had ascended the Benin throne.
Wonderful!!
May be should you should proceed now to inform us of the reason why the then Ooni of Ife was visited in Ife, in the early 1930s, by your Omonoba Akenzua II after he had just ascended the Benin throne.
After that, proceed to explain why the [same] Ooni of Ife was visited in Ife, in the late 1970s, by your Omonoba Erediauwa alsoafter he had just ascended the Benin throne.
After that, proceed to explain why the present Ooni of Ife was visited in Ife, in the year 2016, by your present Omonoba Ewuare II alsoafter he had just ascended the Benin throne.
Since you now have no problem with the reports of Edo journalists, then you must have no problem with the reports of a Channels TV who hinted on some of the events that went down during Ewuare’s visit to the Ooni just after Ewuare’s coronation.
Check out the following Channels TV News report of the homage-visit of Omonoba Ewuare II:
Go to time-stamp 0:24 to 0:34, and you would find the following words which will answer your foregoing two questions:
“...his first port of call is the palace of the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi — where he also paid homage to all Benin kings believed to have been buried there.”
gregyboy: Benin controlled the entire lagos and gave Anthony to local chiefs Benin population wasnt much to spread much cultural influence but are political influences wasn't undermine
Which parts of Lagos? Is it Lagos Island, Victoria Island, Surulere, Ikeja, Lekki, Badagry, Epe, Ikorodu, Ikeja, Ebute Meta etc?
TAO11: Just as humans grow to become independent (and free of) their parents control; so do many kingdoms also grow to become independent of their parent kingdom.
The fact that the Oyo and Ijebu-Ode kingdoms later in the course of history became independent kingdoms in their own rights does not mean that each of them was never initially descended from some kingdom — in this case the Ife kingdom.
To buttress this further, the attachment below shows pages from the typescript of the proceedings of the 31st March 1937 “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs”.
In this conference, the Alaafin of Oyo and the Awujale of Ijebu-Ode were not only present but also conceded to the declaration that their respective kingdoms initially descended from the Ife kingdom. See attached:
This fact here as expounded recognized in this attached typescript (i.e. the fact that the kingdoms of the Alaafin and Awajale among others were originally descended from the Ife kingdom before their later independence) is obviously confirmed by the much earlier fact that the then Alaafin (and other Yoruba kings) had to live outside the walls of their respective palaces in honor of the fact that the Ooni left his palace for a meeting in Lagos.
No you’re not wrong. You’re right on this. However, that Ooni was also right on this.
That Ooni’s listing as contained in the document you’re alluding to was simply to debunk the Elepe’s claim that Ife directly authorized him to wear a crown.
The Ooni wasn’t saying that all Yoruba kingdoms got their crowns directly from Ife.
We know for a fact that many Yoruba kingdoms actually descended not directly from Ife but directly from another Yoruba kingdom.
Such descendant Yoruba kingdom often got their right to crowns not directly from Ife but via the actual kingdom they had directly descended from.
A case in point is the Eko kingdom about which the list given by that Ooni have also being misunderstood by the author of our OP’s content.
Eko is omitted from that Ooni’s list does not mean that the kings of Eko aren’t coronated with a crown. Yes, they are coronated with a crown as my attachment here shows.
What the omission does mean instead is that the Eko kingdom got its primary/coronation crown not directly from Ife but via another Yoruba kingdom — not from Benin also, as this primary/coronation crown clearly shows here. —————————
The following is the background to the Akarigbo vs Elepe tussle:
The Elepe’s district is a territory established within the Remo kingdom of Ishagamu (the Akarigbo’s kingdom) ruled by the Akarigbo who also the paramount king of all Ijebu-Remo kingdoms.
So, only two kings could possibly authorize the Elepe to wear a crown, viz. the Akarigbo of Ijebu-Remo, or Ife directly.
The Elepe was challenged by the Akarigbo himself. This thus shows that the Akarigbo didn’t authorize him to wear a crown.
The Elepe’s last straw was obviously to claim that Ife gave him the direct right — a claim which the Ooni debunked with his list.
Were Olu-Iwa, Ajebu and Olode from Ile ife?
Is Olu-Iwa the elder brother Omu who was the progenitor of both Lamurudu and Oduduwa?
I know Olu-Iwa's daughter got married to Obanta. Is Obanta the son of Oduduwa?
These questions will determine where Ijebus descended from.
And that is accurate because all Yoruba kings (that is, including the Benin monarch) are considered in, Yoruba religious belief, to be demi-deities — ikeji-õṣà.
Since the Ooni of Ife is the leader of all the monarchs of Yorubaland, this fact thus rightfully makes him the spiritual leader of all Yorubas (and Binis).
Notice that this 1948 meeting which held in Lancaster house and entitled “The African Conference in London” had the Ooni of Ife representing Nigeria in his capacity as leader of the south-west ‘tribes’ — which included the Binis among others.
This leader of the then south-west ‘tribes’ was not deemed to be the Alaafin Oyo, nor was it deemed to be the Omonoba n’Edo, but rather the Ooni Ife.
Note that he wasn’t yet honored as a British knight at the time. Neither was he yet a Governor at the time. He simply represented Nigeria in his capacity as a tribe leader — a tribe which included the Binis.
In addition to the above 1948 documentary, the attached pages below are from a 1903 publication entitled “Native Crowns”.
These attached pages from the paper shows the published summary of a proceeding in which the Ooni of Ife was clearly and rightfully identified as the leading monarch for all of Yorubaland.
~ The Editor, “Native Crowns,” Journal of the Royal African Society, April 1903, Vol. 2, No. 7, Oxford University Press.
I am pleased to always rubbish you all over Nairaland.
Cheers!
Very insightful but I don't agree with that Oni of Ife. Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale of Ode were independent of Ife. They don't get their authority from Ife.
Besides, Oni of Ife was never the only one that gave out crowns to obas as at the time he spoke.
"Ogedengbe exploits also took him to Ekiti and Akoko areas where he sold a lot of them into slavery. This was why he was often referred to as “O soko Ekiti soko Akoko”. He also went as far as the present day Edo state. The Oba of Benin had to appeace him before he desisted from waging war against his domain. He gave Ogedengbe presents of beads, slaves and other valuable articles."
CC :TAO
I thought Ilesha and Ekiti were allies against Ibadan.
Ogedengbe.com Ilesa / Ijesa Sate The Monarch The Warrior King Warrior Drummers Ogedengbe III Obanla's I,II,III,IV Ogedengbe(OGASE) Centenary Info
In the days of constant wars among the kingdoms of the Yoruba, a warrior hero called Ogedengbe lived in the city of Ilesha. Ogedengbe ruled firmly in Ilesha, and in other kingdoms he was feared and respected, for it was said that once he had undertaken war against an enemy he would not relent or turn back until his work was finished.
He attacked enemy cities and sacked them, taking gold and slaves as his prize. He pursued his enemies to the most distant places to cut them down. Wherever the fighting was most fierce, there Ogedengbe would be. His name was heard with attention in far-off villages, and, at the rumour that Ogedengbe was approaching, people went away into the bush with their cattle and hid themselves.
An illustration of General Ogedengbe on his white horse (www.ogedengbe.com)In other kingdoms people asked each other: "How can Ogedengbe be disposed of? He is like a plague of ants. He comes out of the bush to eat everything that lies in his path. If Ogedengbe were not loose in the land we could go on living, each man in his fields and each city in its place. But now every city is in danger". The city of Ibadan was then ruled by another warrior chief called Ogunmola. Ogunmola decided one time that he would attack Ilesha and destroy Ogedengbe. He assembled his army. He prepared for the expedition. And when everything was ready Ogunmola's forces set out. They reached the outskirts of Ilesha.
A great battle began. Ogedengbe warriors met the army from Ibadan in the fields. When night came they rested, but when the sun rose again the battle resumed. The two armies moved from one place to another. They drifted across the land. Other cities became involved. The war spread, leaving suffering and death in its wake. Finally Ogedengbe defeated Ogunmola, who returned with his shattered forces to Ibadan.
But Ogedengbe's anger was not yet stilled. It was said that the city of Benin had conspired with Ibadan in the attack against Ilesha. So Ogedengbe decided to punish Benin. He began the expedition.
As he rode his white horse his drummers went on ahead. Their drums spoke like this: "Ogedengbe is coming. Ogunmola is finished, Now it is Benin's turn. Benin, prepare yourself, prepare to bury your corpses". The sound of the drums was heard far away. Whenever Ogedengbe's army passed through a village there was no sign of human beings and the fields were empty.
For everywhere it was said that Ogedengbe's drums and war horns spoke only the truth. When the drums said that Ogunmola had been defeated, everyone agreed that it must be so. Word of Ogedengbe's approach came to Benin. The ruler of that city met with his councillors to discuss the situation. They sent a messenger to Ogedengbe. He said: "Our people say there is no need to make war on Benin. Benin has done nothing hostile to you. The people know of your courage and achievements, and they praise you. Ogedengbe, turn back and leave Benin as it stands. This is the message I have brought you.
An illustration of General Ogedengbe and his drummers (www.ogedengbe.com) Ogedengbe spoke harshly. He said: "It is just as I thought it would be.
The city of Benin whimpers like a child. Hear my drums, for they speak only what is true. The drums say, 'Now it is Benin's turn.' Return to the city and tell your Oba what I have said."
The messenger returned to Benin. He reported Ogedengbe’s words.
Once again the people of Benin sent a messenger to plead with Ogedengbe not to make war on the city. Again Ogedengbe rebuffed the messenger. His army arrived at Benin, surrounded the city and dug a moat around it to prevent the inhabitants from escaping. Benin was besieged. The Oba of Benin, the subchiefs and the councillors discussed their situation. They foresaw that the city would be destroyed and their army defeated. While some said: "Let us go out and fight," others said, "No. Listen to Ogedengbe's drums. They recall his great victories over other cities. They speak only what is true."
After the argument had been going on this way for a long time, one of the elders of Benin said: "Can Ogedengbe's drums say only one thing? What are drums, after all? They are objects made of wood and hide. They say only what drummers make them say. Ogedengbe's drums can say other things. They can speak of Benin's greatness also." people answered: "Now, Ogedengbe's drummers are dear to his heart, for the words their drums speak remind him to be courageous, and his warriors also take courage from the sound.
Why, then, would the drummers make their drums tell of Benin's greatness?" The elder answered: "I will tell you about this thing. The drummers play what pleases Ogedengbe because he pays them well. Does a musician live who does not play what he is paid for? Very well. Let us be patrons to the drummers."The people saw merit in it. They collected cowries from whoever had cowries, and the Oba and the subchiefs gave the greatest share. They appointed a messenger. In the dark of night the messenger took the cowries and went out of the city to the place where the drummers were resting.
The messenger said to them: 'Tour drumming has been heard. In the city the people have praised it. They say you are truly great musicians and poets. The tones of your drums are so perfect that no one can mistake their meanings. The people of Benin would like you to drum something for them before the battle begins tomorrow. For this small deed they will give you ten thousand cowries." The drummers talked among themselves. They agreed. They asked,
"What do you want our drums to say?"
"Why," the messenger said, "just a small phrase. Have your drums
say, 'When has Benin ever been defeated?' Have them say, 'Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies.' " He gave the drummers the ten thousand cowries and went back to the city.
The light of the morning sun began to be visible. Ogedengbe ordered his warriors to prepare for battle. They made themselves ready for the attack. Ogedengbe mounted his horse. The drums began to play.
But instead of reciting Ogedengbe's praise names and recalling his great deeds the drums said: "When has Benin ever been defeated?
Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."
All in Ogedengbe's camp heard the drums and were surprised. Anger filled Ogedengbe as he heard the drums say over and over:
"When has Benin ever been defeated?
Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."
Doubt came to Ogedengbe. He thought: "It is true. Benin has never fallen in war." His fury for battle softened. His warriors with their weapons in their hands, they too were thinking: "Have Ogedengbe's drums ever spoken a falsehood? What they say now is so. Benin has never been beaten to the ground. Although it has many enemies Benin has only survived and grown greater."
Ogedengbe's eagerness to attack Benin diminished, until at last he ordered his fighting men to withdraw to the outskirts of the city. There he had his drummers executed for making their drums say at the very moment of attack, "When has Benin ever been defeated?" After that Ogedengbe and his army returned to Ilesha.
TAO11: The attached are pages from R. E. Bradbury’s “Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking People’s of South-Western Nigeria”, 1957
These are some of the information collected by Dr. R. E. Bradbury from the Edos themselves during his ethnographic survey of Benin Kingdom as part of a larger series on an ethnographic survey of Africa.
Ekonuhamen, the ijebus who were traders in Lagos who couldn't pronounced the word Ekonuhamen decide to shorten it as eko a shortened form they took from the pirtu Portuguese
TAO11: Mrs fool, why are you agitated that your lies are being exposed? You became so insecure that you had to beg Nairalanders not to read my comment.
I feel your pain.
Having said that, I would have thought that even as a bald, sad, dumb, fugly, Bini pathological liar; you should still be able to imagine that I could possibly engage experts to prepare a translating of any document (much less this less-than-two page statements) from any language into any language.
In fact, my translation of those statements pages was from two different bilingual French-English speakers who worked independently. Yes, I did that intentionally for control purposes.
Moving on to your fraudulent translation of the actual statements in question here, the original reads as follows:
“le capitaine Horseley nous l’a appelée Eco, et c’est ainsi que la désignent les Yébous”.
And your fraudulent translation (with which you seek to veil an important and salient point) goes as follows:
"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it"
In order to perpetuate your fraud, you shied away from giving the faithful contextual translation of the key word “désignent“.
You’re well aware that giving such faithful translation of this particular word will shatter your age-long Benin lies.
In other words, it would become plain to all and sundry that it was the Ijebus (not the Binis) who actually named Lagos as “Èkó”.
To veil this salient information, you rendered your translation of this specific statement as vaguely as you possible can.
No! One does not have to be a Professor of French or English or both before realizing that the faithful translation of this statement [considering the key French word “désignent”] is as follows:
“Captain Horseley rendered it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Yébous”.
Folks, notice that the key base-word here, is the word “designate”. Our fraudulent bald Bini friend is trying his level best to veil this salient point.
Yes, the Ijebus are the ones who “designated” [not merely “refer to”] the island as “Èkó”.
I pledge to continue to rubbish you all over Nairaland. See attached.
Aconomist: This Chinese man is installing HVAC systems for train stations on the Lagos Ibadan railroad. His company is paying Chinese workers 1 million naira per month, which is 10x more than they pay Nigerians for the same work. In the video, he demonstrates the low quality work done by his Nigerian employees and explains that Nigerians don't have a "culture" of industrialization and perfectionism.
Is he right? Are Nigerian technicians incompetent -- or is the low pay making them restless and impatient with their work? Are Chinese workers really 10x more productive than Nigerians?
TAO11: (1) Ulsheimer’s report as cited above states clearly that this settlement of the Bini immigrants was confined to only one island.
In other words, these Bini immigrants settled NOT on all the islands in Lagos, neither did they settle on the mainland.
(2) Ulsheimer’s report (as cited above) states clearly that this settlement of the Bini immigrants (which is on the island) was a frontier settlement.
In other words, this Bini settlement lies on the border of (at least) two other settlements on that island.
(3) Ulsheimer’s report as cited above names this settlement of the Bini immigrants as ”Lago”.
In other words, “Lago” was just one settlement (wherein the Bini immigrants lived) among others’ settlements on that island.
(4) Ulsheimer’s report shows that as at the year 1603 when he (Ulsheirmer) visited the island, he already met the Bini immigrants already living on the island — within a fairly large fenced settlement.
In other words, Ulsheimer was not an eyewitness to how the Bini immigrants first penetrated into Lagos from Benin.
In other words, he has no information (eyewitness or even otherwise) regarding whether the Binis penetrated into the island (from Benin) by warfare.
Neither does he have any information on whether they acquired the settlement from the native people by means of some peaceful negotiation.
(5) Regardless of how they originally acquired their settlement (by conquest or by peaceful negotiation with the natives) the settlement — as at the time of Ulsheimer’s visit — was already the exclusive property of the Binis.
(6) The only writings which came to make the first statements on the manner of acquisition of their settlement are writings from the year 1878, 1914, 1929, and 1952.
(7) The 1878, 1914, and 1929 writings are known by historians as the Lagos account — and these three all agree that the Binis acquired their settlement on the Island by means of a peaceful negotiation with the native owners, the Aworis.
[See attached for an excerpt from the 1929 recollection of the Lagos account].
(8 ) It wasn’t until the year 1952 (decades after the Lagos account have been published by British colonial authorities) that a Benin Chief by the name J. U. Egharevba came up with his reactive account that the Binis acquired the Lagos settlement by warfare.
(9) It is clear who was narrating an account unconditionally, and who woke up decades later (without any prior evidence) to react that it wasn’t so.
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