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TheSuperNerd:
I don't like where this discussion is heading. I am not about to see a Chuks vs Simon debate get escalated. Listen Chriskels and Forgiveness. I like both players....


Vs Guinea, I said Chukwueze will never put in the monstrous workrate Simon put in up and down that flank offensively and defensively. And offensively, Simon was well above average while he was excellent defensively. That is one.

Vs Cameroun, Simon's workrate always tending more to the scale of excellence in defence more than in attack didn't augur well for us and was not going to get us over the line against the Indomitable lions. This is where Chuks trumps him. In being overly much more offensive and super threatening on the attack with the far higher tendency to make magic happen out of anything. Plus the fact that his threat is well known and will always make any coach double up on him thus altering the opponents' defensive structure at any given point in the game.


In summary, Simon got the workrate and will provide better cover for your Full back than Chuks.
But Chuks got the magic feet of crazy attacking intents and ability to create something outta nothing. He offers average or below average when it comes to covering your fullback.

Going forward... I feel Chukwueze's attacking madness will take us further and get us out of holes much more comfortably than Simon's approach of more workrate in defence than creativity in attack.



Now.... End this talk... I will tolerate no escalation of the matter. Both players are loved by me and I see their importance based on tactical set ups and team approaches and ultimately Team goals.


This is what a rising golden generation should like like!!! The competition is great!

We are the Super Eagles.... And we are still Africa's most unpredictable team.

My analyses are not about Simon and Chukwueze's comparison but about the tactics that won us the game.

I don't know where you read about that from me. It was you who tried to bring it up but I dodge am.

TheSuperNerd:
How many did we create before Chuks' intro and how many were created after his introduction?

Stop this path you are taking to make Chuks look bad becos you just favor Simon more. It is not fair at all. I have explained the tactical happenings behind Chuks' intro and what it led to even before he saw even more of the ball. That lad alone created space on the right of our attack by his off-the ball movements.... How is that hard to understand? In 30 mins he gave the highest number of key passes and created the most chances all game not adding those created by others after his intro and you claim we created more before he came in. Bia Egbon... Just drop this talk. Your point is aimed at justifying Simon starting over Chuks.

Please this team needs to go further in this competition and even possibly win it. We cannot do that by always defending and defending from the flanks. So if you find a better and faster way of achieving a task, you will ignore it because you just prefer the old time-draining way? Is that it?

Where did I make Chukwueze look bad? Are you trying to set me up?

Well, all you said are just your opinions. I don't care who starts at this stage.

Snapshot 1....... The moment the Cameroonians parked the bus, all our players pressed/moved upfront. The moment Omeruo passed the ball to Awaziem. Who drew two players?

Snapshot 2...... The moment Awaziem received the ball from Omeruo. Notice all our players were running into the box to receive the cross. Chukwueze was left unmarked and was waiting to receive the pass(he was asking for the ball). Where were the two players he drew away for Awaziem to cross?

Snapshot 3. The moment the LB tried to close up on Awaziem but he crossed the ball before he reached him.

Snapshot 4. The moment we parked the bus after we equalised and stole the ball after we pressed with few players to score the winning goal.


We should be more objective when analysing games.

Humility017:
don't mind forgiveness....
he does not want to accept it that samu did well...

the problem I have with many on this thread...pride will never let them eat their humble pie..

no one knows it all...even when you resolutions fails...speak and say the truth

You wey just want Ighalo, Simon and Musa commot for team.

naturecures:
I read someone comment Chwuks did not effect our game or goals. chai.

Sentiments aside, did anyone noticed how our players were always finding Sammy? for havocs and scoring chances be made.

it is glaring that our players have their choice of player. I dare to say the moment Samuel came in, the midfielders and attackers charged up that even when Seedoff saw it he immediately made a substitution to double their defending from the left flank just because a beast was unleashed.

I'm not very versatile in soccer but I do know the best form of defence is to attack. I don't want to see our only victor moses on the bench again. Rohr can sub him for Onyekuru when he is fatigue and I trust Ndidi to shade the right back when necessary if winger could not track back on time.

Rohr must stop absorbing panics and threat from opponents, but instead he should make oppositions defenders be busy throughout, suffer them using the wings while Iwobi will free to move in the middle untill there is a goal rush.

Whenever Ighalo is tired bring in Osimehen. simple ... or does he needs a prophet to tell that?.

please Mr. Kanu must always be on the Field I saw him doing some mathematics with a coaching staff yesterday. a remembered he was a game reader in those days.

School boy analyses. Hahahaha! I hail oooo!

TheSuperNerd:
Is this not what I said?

Did I say he was directly involved? I say and firmly insinuate he was indirectly involved by drawing players out of position and it worked a treat. So discarding that fact is still downplaying what his indirect involvement brought immediately he came on. Forgiveness says he was not involved at all at all... but an indirect involvement is still an involvement because it was vital. Direct involvement would mean he had a second assist(pass before the assist), assist or goal but no.... It was his off-the-ball movements drawing two players with him as he went infield centrally in the final third that created that space for Awaziem. His movements took attention away from a lurking Awaziem who came forward and sent in that cross. So even before he began seeing more of the ball, his introduction changed the tides of the game... He distracted the camerounians with his motion off the ball.

Please, watch the match again. All Nigerian's players were in the half of the Camerounians and about 5 or 6 players were in the box to receive a cross. That was part of Rohr's tactics not the movement of Chukwueze.

edi287:
Honestly I don't think he had a direct impact in us equalizing. His impact was indirect imo (i.e Seedorf bringing in Anguissa immediately we brought on Samu).
Like Forgiveness said - he started becoming dangerous when we equalized and Cameroon started pushing men forward. That's the kind of situation I feel Onyekuru would be even more lethal.

The introduction of Anguissa was long expected if you view it from the Cameroonian point of view because Nigeria dominated the mildfield and the defence was exposed.

He just did the right thing but luck smiled on us when Awaziem's cross found Musa who chested the ball for Ighalo to score.

Rohr doesn't seem to trust Onyekuru's defending ability else he would had brought him on for Musa.

obaaderemi:
Guys are ready to analyse this Cameroon Nigeria match ad nauseum, especially the Chukwueze angle.
The coach should just start the guy against South Africa to show us how efficient he truly is.

He started the first match but I don't think he created a single chance though he showed us what we Nigeria fans love to see.

Barryseal:
You're so on point. Watching a game under pressure and re watching at later time is not the same.
The game didn't change as a result of Chukwueze's influence on the right side of the pitch. If anything else, it was Musa's left side that we looked threatening, sometimes I wish Musa was a bit selfish and quit trying to cut back at all times. On two occasions, he tried to cut back instead of going solo, twice those cut backs were cut off..

Exactly! Tension didn't gree me read the game but after I saw the replay, I realized we played well even before the two goals came.

TheSuperNerd:
Egbon, please stop this Kain talk. Chukwueze's introduction got the Camerounian bench panicky and they responded immediately by bringing on Anguissa. Anguissa came in to offer more bodies in Cameroun's midfield and defence so as to keep a hold of the game but already Chuks was already drawing players out of position with his off the ball movements entering passing channels that drew about two players with him on Seedorf's new instruction thus creating that space on the right exploited by Awaziem who had all the time in the world to whip in that beauty of a cross that met the chest of musa and was put on a platter into Iggy's path and Viola!!! Nigeria equalises!

So, his immediate impact started with his off-the-ball movements before he started seeinh more of the ball and creating chances upon chances that would have fetched Ighalo four goals in all... One was that sumptuously creative pass that beat over five camerounians locating Iggy who was one on one with Onana and another was from a beautiful corner cross to Ighalo which Onana managed saved on the goal line.

So Egbon, from the moment, Chuks came in, yes, the game did change as balance was altered.

We created chances before Chukwueze came on but were not clinical in front of goal.

We dominated the mildfield in the second half and created chances from the mildfield even before Chukwueze came on. Cameroon needed to bring in DMF to shield the defence because it was exposed long before Chukwueze came on.

Chukwueze only touched the ball twice before the goals were scored. In fact, Chukwueze only didn't create space for Awaziem to cross the ball because Cameroon parked the bus and all Nigerian players were in the box to receive a cross from whosever could. Fortunately, Omeruo passed the ball to Awaziem and he gave the same pass I saw him gave Mikel. That was all.

Chances were created before he came on. The fantastic things he did was after we scored the two goals.

austenite:
My brother, go and rewatch that match. His introduction changed the rhythm of that game,he distracted the Cameroonian defence a lot. They lost their composure after his introduction. That guy na baller. He made three key passes,no other player did.

Which composure?

After we conceded the second goal, the rhythm of the game changed to our own advantage. It continued in the second half even long before Chukwueze came on but we were not clinical in front of goal.

The rhythm was still the same after he came in until Awaziem gave the same pass he gave Mikel against Burundi to Musa which led to the equaliser. After that goal, we changed tactics to counterattack.

All our players moved into their half though we still pressed up front when the ball is with the defenders.

The third goal was as the result of the pressure we mounted on the defence. Etebo stole the ball and Ndidi (if am correct) quickly found Ighalo who used his individual skills to pass the ball to Iwobi.

From that moment, we stopped pressing and concentrated on counterattack. That was what led to another rhythm of counterattacks.

You should go and watch the match again. I have already done that.

Mujtahida:
Stop this thing na. He changed the dynamics of the game even though he had no hand in the two goals. He created two clear chances which were wasted. All of these unsettled the camerounian defense ,put them under pressure and stemmed the tide of their attacking forays.

Simon Moses on the other hand wasn't just on the top of his game today. No need to press the point. E no go enter.

Which press the point? I am giving you facts here and not emotive analyses of the game yesterday.

He didn't do anything before the two goals were scored. In fact, the ball touched his legs once or twice and still lost the ball.

The two chances were after the two goals were scored. EOD

charlesemeka85:
My brother I come follow dey ask whether no be the same match wey I watch cus the rave abt the guy after the match dey too much. Many who re clamoring for oshimeh once him play few matches now and don't deliver them go curse craze comot for the young man life.

The nff hired a coach so u guys should allow him do his work or better still apply for the job is there is an opening. Even if Rohr wins the afcon and get to a world cup semifinal some of una no go still dey satisfied so make una free the old man to do em job.

Also those who have been praying for the team to be disgraced out of afcon so that they will have a cause to castigated Rohr and protest for his sack should change their prayer point cus it seem that's not gonna happen. Eagles may not win the tournament but will leave with their heads high!

I just tire for some people here.

chidexxy007:
Chuks had a decent game and would have recorded atleast 2 assist if Ighalo nd Musa were clinical enough, that was way better than Simon offered during his time on the pitch, not saying he played badly though.

That was after we scored 2 goals to led to the dynamic of the game.

darkelf:
My player ratings for NGA against CAM

Akpeyi: Looked Jittery as usual and his misjudgement of the ball in the air nearly caused us a goal in the first half. I still feel a better Keeper would have saved at least one of the two goals we conceded: 5/10

Troost-Ekong: For a Defender who has been quite solid in the past, Ekong has had an underwhelming tourney so far. His passing has been suspect, Had an average game today. 5/10

Omeruo: Didn't live up to expectations today. Could have done better against the cross that led to the first goal and was beaten in the air for the second. Made some blunders as well but looked quite solid in the second half.6/10

Awaziem: Was outpaced by the cameroonian wingers a lot of times but that doesn't jettison his nice cross which Musa chested to Ighalo for our second goal. 6/10

Aina; Was probably the most solid defender today but was out-muscled by a Jam-body Njie for the Second goal. Could also have done better with the shot he balloned way off target. 6/10

Etebo: Still don't understand why he takes our set-pieces but as usual displayed energy and worked hard to contain the rampaging Cameroonians in the middle. 7.5/10

Ndidi: Hard worker and tackler extraordinaire. Partnered well with Etebo in the middle and tried covering up at the flanks too. 7.5/10

Iwobi; Looked lost in the 1st half and seemed not to Jell with either Moses or Musa. But had a good game in the second half with a goal to cap it all.7/10

Musa: Really troubled the Cameroonian defense with his fast pace but lacked service in the first half. Nice assist in the second. 7.5/10

Moses Simon: Bereft of ideas in the final third and even the defensive prowess which he was equally known for was missing. 5/10

Ighalo: Proved critics wrong with his ball-holding, positioning and finishing. The Cameroonian defense had no answer for this Juggernaut. Deservedly the MOTM. 9/10

Chukwueze: Provided 3 clear cut chances and was the game changer for the team. Was double teamed each time he had the ball, a testament to his ability. We have a gem on our hands. 7/10

Onuachu: It can be argued that he cme relatively late but he lacked attacking intent the few times he got the ball and was out-muscled by the obviously more physical Cameroonian defenders. 4/10

Balogun: Came late but added a bit of stability to the defense. 4/10

Chukwueze didn't change any game. In fact, he had no hand in the 2 goals.

The dynamic of the whole game changed after the two goals because the Camerounians began to chase the game with many players thrown forward leaving their defence exposed.

I just watched the replay now. Chukwueze barely did anything with the ball before the two goals were scored.

You said Simon was bereft in the final third. Maybe, you should watch the game again.

andrew444:
Agreed

Now who do we have that have played top game ? Nobody ,only injured mikel and musa

I think omeruo is still fearful

Exactly! Though Ighalo is fearless.

Joebie:
ANS Chukwueze rating.
Who else noticed this? I did

Modified.
But I thought they brought Anguissa on immediately

Samuel Chukwueze : Brought on for Moses Simon and his pace and trickery brought panic in the Cameroonian bench as Clarence Seedorf and Patrick Kluivert brought on Andre-Frank Anguissa to nullify his threat. 7/10.

I don't take ANC ratings seriously. Don't ask me why.

jihday:
yen yen yen, imagine when y'all were saying iwobi out by half time, he had took him out brought in Ogu moved Etebo forward then we fail to create any meaningful chance with Cameroon using pace to slice Ogu in the midfield maybe you for get energy to type mental strength bla bla bla

Ogu was the last thing on my mind?

Mujtahida:
Too poor with crosses. Look at Cameroun's first goal- a delightfully floated pass and bang it was in. Simon Moses runs out of ideas in the final third. Contrast with chukwueze who twice picked out our players amidst the forest of players . I was impressed.

Is this in regards to this particular game or all the games he has played so far?

mostob:
NGA 1:0 Cam

Nigerians: goalllllllllll,we go kee you today

Cameroon Scores

Nigerias: Make Thunder Fire the goalkeeper

Cameroon Scores Again

Nigerians: pls off the TV

# HT

Nigeria Scores

Nigerians: Goalllllllllll,Thank God ooo

Nigeria Scores Again

Nigerians: Goalllllllllll,we go kill you today

# FT NGA 3:2 CAM

Nigerians: Bring Anybody

Mouth no go kee us...Lolz

Lmao.

Goke7:
Just heard kanu's interview on radio. He said the boys were panicking but imediately they got their confidence back the game was there for the taking.

The question is why our boys so fearful? This was what cost the game against argentina.

Our boys were not this fearful under keshi and they are not as good as this current team

This is why i want rohr out. We deserve better

Because we had experience players that have played big games at the highest level.

We had Mikel, Onazi, Echiejile, Enyeama, Yobo, Musa and the guru Victor Moses.

Mujtahida:
What he said is the fact: Moses couldn't float even a single cross

Why didn't you say the same thing when he said Moses didn't create any chances against Guinea?

If you don't know what is happening, it is better you just watch and observe.

Humility017:
c'mon don't tell me you want chuks to be benched in the next game...

pls don't say it...

I am not saying both players were the problem...Musa aid the second goal...

just his final decision making was poor most times...

You wanted those three players out at all cost.

I want the best players suited for the tactics to play. Read match and you will understand.

Rockyrascal:
Odion ighalo as now scored 10 goals in his last 10 games for the super eagles.

Yet he is wanted out.

Oasis007:


Criticising the Squad is as same as wishing the Team failure?! LMAO!

Totally different things entirety.

Humility017:
He tried...but we have seen his best...
next time he should be on the bench....

If I ask you what happened in the game, all you will say is Ighalo, Musa and Simon are the problem.

Is that how to read and interpret games?

BascoVanVeli:
Ighalo the lion slayer

3 matches
4 goals
1 assist
3 wins

Which four goals?

ChrisKels:
Moses Simon couldn't create even a single chance till he was yanked off the pitch. So much for his defending abilities that made us go down 2-1

Yours is to bring down some "players" in other for "your" players to play. The bring down syndrome that has destroyed this country.

Continue to deceive yourself. I can read your heart like an open book.

forgiveness:
Awaziem has improved so far. He is gaining confidence to move forward and at the same time throwing some decent long passes and crosses.

He is also good with his head and can also score goals when within the box.

This was what changed the game.

Awaziem and Aina contributed to the 2 goals that changed the game entirely.

Make this coach bring Osimhen.

Na wa oooo. Onuachu.

Problemkid1:
I dey oo, I say make I come check weting dey happen for here small

Hahahaha!

Make Osimhen enter small na.