₦airaland Forum

Runalong333:
Bros are you arguing for the sake of arguing ? , because what she said is true . Sentiments aside , South Africa has a much more developed entertainment industry than Nigeria. Nigeria has a lot more popular ,new and younger artists than South Africa. South Africa music industry makes more money than that of Nigeria , even though Nigeria is growing rapidly . South Africa has more developed genres compared to Nigeria. Nigerian afrobeats make nigerian music more catchy than South African music. Nigerian music sells more to the younger audience , South African music sells across all ages .

What did she say that is true?

Lionessza6:
JESUS ! . Miriam makeba and all the artists I mentioned were already developed artists when they left South Africa, just like Noah was already a decent comedian when he left South Africa. This is totally different from Seal and Sade. Those two people did not grow up in Nigeria , they were not recruited from Nigeria. The reason Miriam makeba and them couldn't come to South Africa is because they were banned from returning because during their tours with the likes of Belafonte they got political and started spilling the beans about what South Africa was about. This is totally different from your artists who identify as Britons ,and who were born ( seal ) and raised in Britain. Doing coloborations with well known artists doesn't mean you belong to the nation they come from. Your P square gained a lot of exposure when they did s song with Rick Ross, that doesn't make them an American product. You are comparing oranges with Apples here to cover your arse . You might as well as claim most black Americans as your artists since they originated from that side . I won't be going back and forth with you on this.

It doesn't change the fact that foreign system made Miriam makeba, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, Hugh Ramapolo Masekela, etc not your Zulu system. Next!

The Second bolded shows your gross ignorance or your intention to feign gross ignorance about other Nigerian artists i mentioned apart from Seal and Sade Adu.

Now answer this question,

are these Nigerian artists, Babatunde Olatunji, Sikiru Adepoju and Lekan Babalola British or black Americans? lying machine.

Come back and tell me who needs an apron for her exposed .......

Now, answer this question before you start hidding with your tail under your belle with 'i won't be going back and forth with you on this' to cover up your fallacious statements that Miriam Mkeba was the first African to commercialize music in Africa.

Or is that statement a sign of defeat or acceptance that you lied big time?

I trust you will show yourself worthy enough to prove your case.

Which year did Miriam Mkeba become the first African to commercialize music? Bhuhahahaha! Answer fast fast.

And Can you please explain or tell me how she commercialized music?

Less I forget, you asked me which Nigeria artist was honoured ahead those newbies south Africa artists.

Have you forgotten? Unusual of your normal chest beating.

Or have you agreed and succumbed to the fact that Nigeria artist was honoured and recognised ahead of any dead or living South African including Miriam makeba on this planet earth in regards to music

Show me the South African Grammy award nominees aside the ones I listed before from 60s, 70s and 80s you boasted about.

Cure and emancipate yourself from gross ignorance.

Music didn't start and end in South Africa.

PROVERBZ:
let me help the Kenyans this is tatu city I like progress and I would never hate if something good happened for any other African country including Kenya even tho tatu city is not a smart city

Crawford schools I must commend them they started with a school eko Atlantic has plans for an international school but nothing has been done about it yet

You are right about that. I want to see Africa progress


I would rather advice Africans to spend money within Africa to boost the economy.

However, these Kenyans here are bunch of jealous and evil wishers.

Anyway, I still acknowledge good thing from Africa countries.

Lionessza6:
You will continue receiving more punches and slaps until you learn to act like humans when you are in our turf . But we get along with your cultured northerners and they always work well with us on issues that matter , to hell with the rest lol.

Noted!

Lionessza6:
LMFAO , you had to resort to claiming British citizens?, how desperate can one get to make a point ? .

A fee months back I told you guys mostly give the world chicks that need proper diets ( foreign systems) to develop into chicken ready for consumption, while we export fully packaged products . You have just proven my point once again. Sade left Nigeria when she was about 5 years old, she was brought up mainly by her British mother and grandparents and went to British schools that developed her to the woman she is . She is a product of Britain not Nigeria. Seal is a full British citizen with Nigerian and Brazilian ancestry , he has nothing to do with Nigeria , like Sade if you closed your eyes and listened to their music, you won't even find traces of Nigeria there , that is because their identity and culture is British . However when you listen to Fela, you can't miss what he represents and where he is from. Stop claiming what is not yours, have some class . That would be like us claiming the likes of Kellerman as South African Grammy winners , people like that might have been born here or their parents were but there is nothing South African about them , they are products of the societies they grew up in.

All 11 South African Grammy awards were won by people who are a product of our nation , and who carry no other passport but our own .

Miriam Mkeba was the first african to commercialize music , can you show me anyone else before her? . She won a Grammy in 1968 , not 1998 . You only started winning such awards in the 90s when she and other South Africans were worn out . Should I show you more of our nominations in the 60s, 70s and 90s and recent times? . You are desperately trying to scam your way through as usual, but you are failing . Show me where your artists were recognised before Miriam makeba, Hugh masekela, letta mbuli, lucky dube , Brenda fassie Yvonne chaka Chaka to name some ? . I gave you a 60s Grammy award , show me yours .by the way , after she introduced the world to African music , she was invited as the first african to ever perform at a USA presidential inauguration, just to celebrate her achievement .

Do you mean Babatunde Olatunji, Sikiru Adepoju, Lekan Babalola etc are British citizens? Girl stop lying here.

Seal's father is a Nigerian Brazilian. Infact, It was his father that taught him how to eat Nigerian food. Don't display your ignorance here by depending on Google.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2015/11/seal-talks-about-growing-up-eating.html&ved=2ahUKEwjM7OflnKHfAhXO34UKHR4aDJsQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3Tj_8qHA6Oi94bXcOKMqgY


You sounded like one hypocrite in the first bolded.

Miriam Mkeba was nobody until she left the shores of South Africa and met one Harry Belafonte (product of foreign system) who mentored her and also became her colleague. The same way Sade Adu and Seal were nobody until they met Oyinbo.

Her first record was produced by the same foreign system in America, hypocrite!

Her Grammy award was Harry Belafonte's (foreign system) handy work and not of or from the land of Zulus. stop lying.


The same way Ladysmith Black Mambazo gained international recognition, or permit me to say, were brought to lime light in 1986 by Paul Simon (foreign system) after he brushed them up despite the fact that they have been singing since 1950s as local champions. Bhuhahahaha!


They could not export their local Zulu music abroad until oyinbo came on board and took them of the Zululand to the same Britain and America where they recorded their hit song Shaka Zulu. Another lie bursted.

Is that not another product of foreign system you claimed Nigerians used before winning Grammy awards? Hypocrite!

Hugh Ramapolo Masekela who was first nominated in 1968 for Grammy award was another benefactor of foreign system song 'Grassing in the grass.' written by Philemon Hou. Bhuhahahaha!

Now, who claiming what is not hers?

Did I hear you say Miriam Mkeba was the first African to commercialize music? Bhuhahahaha! You are showing gross ignorance.

Ok, Can you please explain or tell me the year she commercialized music?

Let me give you that benefits of doubt. Explain!

You mean Nigeria started getting recognised with an award in 1990? Bhuhahahaha!

Where was Miriam Mkeba when I.K Dairo won Member of the British Empire in 1963 to become the first African musican to be honoured with such award? This is 'owing to his originality and the improvement he gave to the Juju Music - an improvement, an innovation, which can hardly be forestalled by any living artiste'. This is an honour higher than the Grammy award.

As you can see, Ik Dairo was honoured and recognised before all those newbies in the Africa music industry.

Besides, Sunny Ade was the first African musician to be nominated for Grammy award twice. Just come out of your Zulu world and learn fast.

Femi kuti has been nominated 4 times for Grammy award ahead of the names in the bolded. Then, who are those funny funny names in the bolded?

These two didn't need foreign system to get their first recognition. Unlike your foreign system products you listed.

Now, Show me your nominees from 60s to 80s, aside the ones I already pointed out. Can you?

Let me wait while you cure and emancipate yourself from groose ignorance.

Your media has feed you with fallacies and it was through that you wanted to impose your songs on us through DSTV.

I am waiting.

genieluv:
Learn to be like Nigerians, we argue where we feel we know best.
****** I leave the sky scrappers for my bros to handle while I face history, beauty, cultures and entertainment. I was only dragged into the slum discussion cos Abuja was involved and that is my city
Jack of all trade is a master of none!

That's true. But these Kenyans here are novice.

jaycent:
Even top 20 Mombasa is not there

You dey mind the guy. Mombasa na city?

NairobiWalker:
Your proof is a forum comment, are you even listening to yourself? Meanwhile, show us the ministry of communication tower. You listed towers that don't exist, now you're arguing over whether the existing Nairobi towers are over 100m and you have no proof otherwise. Based on your list, Lagos only has 7 towers.

Bhuhahahaha! This desperado is at it again. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You have been exposed big time.

Upper hills chamber is 21 floors and it is not up to 90m. Bhuhahahaha

One place Africa is one dwarf of a building not up to 100m.

Despite the fact that many sources proved Ministry of Communications exist and it is totally different from NECOM house, I took the pain to verify this known fact myself by going there and it came to be true that NECOM house and communication building are two different buildings entirety.


That I have laid to rest. Now be a man and not one desperate lying machine to own up that Upper hills chamber and One Africa place are not Skyscrappers. Bhuhahahaha!

abbeg:
Hahahahaha! they are busy using Nigerian mugshots to make mouth forgetting their athletes! come on Kenya do better.Nigerians make fun of our lack of electricity and all that so it doesn't hurt like you think it does.S.A. keeps bringing up old statistics on entertainment and last time I checked they were around 40 years older than us so of course the world recognised their music before we even existed.But in 2018 it's a different story as Nigeria fast catching up to them.Is that something to brag about? competing with a country 40 yrs younger with lesser white dominance period for the top spot? S.A. like Britney spears while Nigeria Ariana Grande.

Despite the fact that South Africa is older than Nigeria our music was recognised before theirs.

Ibrahimanis:
This is better than porn, somebody really need to update that Wikipedia page for Nigerian artists with Grammies, and I was a tad lazy too, I didn't do any in depth research. thanks guy.

So there it is guys, Nigeria do have more grammies than SA after all.

No worries my man. I am just performing my civil duty to defend our country.

However, do not swallow any information here hook line and sinker because 99.9% are full of lies.

Kazikazi:
Just google " Jakarta Indonesia ". Then come back and thank me. There is a guy from Jakarta he complained about it in skyscrapercity.

You are right. I just looked at it closely.

Lionessza6:
Come on friends , with your backing we can dominate those ragheads out of the process .

Hahahaha! I don't think we are ready to do that again after receiving some dirty slaps from you guys. You are on your own. OYO.

mtisTheQubit:
Like my friend kazimoto said..that aint lagos broh..that not lagos at all.its called jakarta

That's true. Looks like a place in Lagos though.

Lionessza6:
Idiot , we don't do private universities in South Africa because our public universities are good enough . If you were bright you would know that our public institutions " dominate" in Africa , they make your private universities look like secondary schools . Don't embarass your country like this . LMFAO, what great businesses? Selling cheap tyres and fake clothing labels on our street corners ? . Get the f out of here with that crap . 90% of anything played in south Africa wether on radio or television is purely South African and that is by law , the 10 % slot is for foreign entertainers and it is dominated by America because we prefer quality to noise and witchcraft movies that always portray women as desparate husband hunters . We call who? .are your actors and musicians not the ones having their weddings and shooting music videos here ? . Don't get this twisted, it is your entertainers who can't get enough of Mzansi not the other way round . Our music industry alone is worth almost twice yours , so before you go around embarassing yourself with the usual " dominance " nonsense ask yourself why . Mzansi music industry has more Grammy awards than all African countries combined ( I know you will claim not to care about these awards ). When you actually make movies that can be rated by international standards and bring home Oscars and other international awards like we have , then you can talk ,for now you are all quantity and we are quality. Japan and China . Our music industry is one of the most diverse in the continent , we have some of the best hip -hop /rap , choral, gospel , afropop, house , rock, jazz, opera/ classical music artists. Don't forget that we were the first Africans to commercialize African music , so let's not talk about civilisation here . Our national anthem which has been voted the best anthem in the world on many occasions was composed in the 1800s when you were still busy selling your cousins to European thugs . It is the only anthem to be used by various countries . Most of what you guys call music, is only noise that can only be played at clubs after 12 when people are drunk and want to start bonking . By the way I like some " songs" by davido .

South Africa music industry doesn't have more Grammy awards than all Africa countries combined.

That is fallacy because South African musicians have only won it 8 times. Even Benin republic musician has won it 3 times.

South Africa music/musician was not recognized internationally ahead of Nigeria with nomination for Grammy award.

It was Nigeria's musician/music that was first recognized ahead of South Africa's music when it was Nominated for Grammy award in 1984 for syncro system by Sunday Ade

Even Nigerian born musician won Grammy award before any South African ever won it for the first time in 1988. That was Sade Adu.

So, you were wrong.

Now, let me educate you on the Nigeria recipients of Grammy awards.

1. Sikiru Adepoju won 2 Grammy awards

2. Lekan Babalola won 2 Grammy awards

3. Kevin Olusola won 3 Grammy awards

4. Sade Adu won 4 Grammy awards

5. Seal won 4 Grammy awards.

6. Babatunde Olatunji won 1 Grammy award.

Besides these, WizKid, Timaya and Femi kuti were also nominated for Grammy award.

Please, get your facts right now time. Thanks

Lionessza6:
. Please do it again, we must keep on being the face of Africa .

Well, Morocco is serious about it.

tlann:
you are stupid do you know that ?

How stewpid?

Does it change the fact that your economy and cities now being developed by oil money? Bhuhahahaha!

abbeg:
but I thought you guys said it was indonesia

No! I didn't say that. It's lasgidi. That picture has been existing for years.

jaycent:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahaha! Make I just blow breeze for fowl yanch make we see.

tlann:
of course Kenya has a diversify economy every sector contributes not like naija where economy rises and falls with oil prices

Your country is oil dependant now.

Lionessza6:
And your point is ? . Thanks for the support, we hope it will continue .

Good girl.

Kazikazi:
and the first one is Jakarta Indonesia

The first one is Lagos. That one I know.

Lionessza6:
Dominated......this word again? . How did you dominate our team when you only won on penalties ? . Yes , you are currently better than both our teams in football , but watch your arse . In the last three matches matches we played against you ( men); RSA2- 0 nig , RSA 1-nig0 and the 1-1 draw on the last one. With the last two matches (ladiez), we won 1-0 , and the last one had to go to penalties , so should we talk about dominance again? .

LMFAO , don't you find it funny that even with our said crime rate we still attract the biggest number of tourists, immigrants and expatrariates compared to other African countries . After proving ourselves as one of the greatest hosts in the world in 2010 ,tourists started flocking to Mzansi like never before , ignoring all warnings against coming here , imagine what we could achieve without the " bad reputation " . We don't fear Japan and Australia, we have gone head to head against the best and still managed to make history as the first african nation to bring the world to Africa . We will do it again . Welcome to South Africa in advance if you are not here already on asylum papers .

Without Nigeria supporting south Africa to host the 2010 world cup, South Africa doesn't stand a chance.

genieluv:
Hahaha, NairobiWalker, you are being dealt blows left, right and center !
***** Only you want to debate on sky scrappers and cities, history, beauty and culture.... Yet you are being given severe blows on all fronts.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

abbeg:
Actually the third isn't Lagos.It was the website I used.The second is lagos (look well you can see Nicom tower)I'm still searching for the thirds replacement.Thanks for pointing it out.

Ok. No worries. Keep up the good work. Make did Sabi dem mate.

NairobiWalker:
People discussing on a forum is your source? Bring us a source where it's said to be downgraded.

For the record, the building was never supposed to be 28 floors like you've been claiming but 26. See how stupid you are?

Please, show us the picture of The Ministry of communication tower before we continue.

You mean Skyscrappercity is not reliable source for information?

Do you mean those who see the project in Nairobi and gave updates with verifiable source are not credible enough?

Really!? Emporis is stewpid for claiming it was suppose to be 28 floors then( it's no 7 on that snapshot) Bhuhahahaha!

Upper hills chamber is 21 floors and it is not a Skyscrapper. Lying machine from the land of masia.

abbeg:
Lagos.

That second and third pictures are not Lagos. Please, delete them. Thanks

tlann:
kenolkobil is Kenyan and owns petrol stations in kenya and around east africa that is it hass group is the one building the tallest building in africa the pinnacle tower so what is your point

Meaning oil barons are developing your NAIROBI and contributing to the economy of your country. That is my point.

NairobiWalker:
Upper hills chamber - 26 floors, 105m
One Africa Tower - 100m

Now show us a photo of the ministry of communication tower.

Lying mofo, I have debunked that 26 floors lies and moved passed.

For anyone who wants to know about this lying mofo, go through this upper hills chamber's Skyscrappercity thread. you will see the lamentations of Kenya's about the storeys reduced from 26 floors to 21 floors.

See snapshot too. This building is the same height with 4th Avenue that is around 80m. Bhuhahahaha

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1804104&page=10&amp=1

kikuyu1:
Btw,Naijjans you can learn from this guy! Facts,figures and stats speak for themselves! You can't argue-unless you're immature and cognitively challenged,ofc.

Lying machine and deluded fella. What a combo!

rvp20183:
There are gazillion rankings out there.Which one did consider Abuja.Your sound really ignorant.Mombasa is voted every month as the city to visit for it's world class beaches.its was ranked 23rd wealthiest Africa just slightly below Abuja with all the federal oil money.

Mercer considered Abuja among cities. How come your village Mombasa was missing on the list?

You are right, Mombasa was ranked below Port Harcourt and Abuja. That is what matters now.

tlann:
you are shifting goal posts we were comparing mombasa to port harcourt and abuja and why is port harcourt not like dubai or abu dhabi you have the same oil or maybe naija has vegetable oil

I thought you had problem with Nigeria having oil and developing it with oil.

Atleast, Port Harcourt is better than Mombasa and Abuja better than NAIROBI.

tlann:
which oil barons build our economy the only economic giant in africa i know of is south africa

Hass group, KenolKobil, etcetera of course.

South Africa are behind in the pecking order. Sorry!