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SerVik:
Is it true that tosin Kehinde of Manchester United has picked Nigeria ahead of England?

Cc: forgiveness tbaba1234 Joebie

Mujtahida:
I feel our team is not balanced. We play more to the right than to the left. Fact is we have too many right footed players than left footed players in this team. As a nation we seem to be predominantly right footed hence our difficulties in producing LB and LWF. Since Amunike I'm not sure we've had a natural LWF.
An analysis by Solace Chukwu on medium (@oddsolace you guys can check him out) posits that 8 out of 12 goals scored during the WCQ (he wrote this before our last WCQ against Algeria) came as a result of build up from the right flank, 2 from the middle and two from the left.
This is not too healthy in my estimation. Yes a team should play to its strength but at the same time our strength is too obvious and that can possibly make it easy for tactically astute teams to dismantle us

Please let's analyse this issue
Cc Mickael2, Kog45, MetalJigsaw, elyte89, Icon4s, tbaba1234, Joebie, goodjoe, Taliban, forgiveness, komekn, ChrisKels, Chrismario, kennysville, kingphilip, soetanoreoluwa, safarigirl, Icon79, Napoleon55, realpoacher, jotey, sontoly, Daejoyoung, nelszx, somehow and all on this thread

Eligreat247:
Yes that's true. in a friendly match in 2011 (if my memory serves me right). They rather fielded their B team and got humiliated 4-1. They later arranged another friendly and field their major team that walloped us silly (can't remember the score line)

Am sure he actually meant to say the first coach to beat Argies main Team...

Napoleon55:
ok,yes but that was a weak Argentine team without Messi, Zabratta was d only first team squad unlike d team that lost to Rohr.

Mujtahida:
So na now your eye clear after dem don terrorise you finish. See what you have been doing since

Taliban:
Waoh so now Ajagun has been finally dropped. Only 23 guys can make the team sha. Since Lawal is so versatile we mustn't sacrifice performance for sentiments, somebody must be dropped for him.

Napoleon55:
senior national team,not age grade team,
but however,Siasia never beat any Argentines' team.
we usually beat them at u-17 cos we are powerhouse at that level.
and Bonfre's u-23.
u r still to answer my questions,or r u suggesting Siasia?

Mujtahida:
It's okay. We have left the tribalism issue. Let's forge ahead

Taliban:
Wonderful and good job. Yes Seyi isn't a defender but your only brother here has suggested we try him at Left back. Afterall Ashley Young and Valencia were forward players turned defenders. Where is the mercurial Raheem Lawal in your team, what about Kayode as well. If Echejile playing in Turkey can make the team why not Aneke and you completely bewildered me by leaving out one of the best Nigeria born midfielders in recent times, Ryan Sanusi. Why is Musa competing with Ajagun?? Ajagun that plays regularly for Musa, Musa who is a forward and hasn't even featured for ordinary Leicester in a while, haba.

Napoleon55:
why do u hate Rohr,the first SE coach to beat Argentine's senior national team,u owe this man an apology,and every member of this thread for always b against Rohr.
Rohr have my respect 100%.
if Rohr eventually perform well at the WC with the choice of his players,would u still attack.
u should know that there so many factors that determines players invitation,it's not just performance alone,good altitude, discipline,and good working relationship with ur coach can influence coaches' choice of invitation.
i mean would want us to hire ,GADIOLA,WENGER,ZIDAN.

Taliban:
After reading a lot of pages here and also a long and hard thought. I have come to the conclusion that these players should be the ones to go t the world cup.
Goal Keepers
Vincent Enyeama
Dele Aiyenugba
Dele Alampasu
Defenders
Ola Aina
Seyi Ojo
Dominic Iorfa
Efe Ambrose
Thiago Ilori
Mosis Odubanjo
Midfield
Hope Akpan
Jude Aneke
Raheem Lawal
Abdul Ajagun
Mikel Obi
Joel Obi
Josh Onomah
Ryan Sanusi
Attackers
Obafemi Martins
Ike Uche
Fred Onyedinma
Kayode
Sone Aluko and
Adegbenro


Standby
Ovie Ejaria
Chuba Akpom

If we can present this guys who are the best leagues imagine what we will achieve. There's still time to get them to blend together, right now these are the best we have as we can only take 23 players to the world cup.

The staring eleven should look like this
Enyeama
Ola Aina Thiago Ilori Efe Ambrose Sheyi Ojo
Abdul Ajagun Josh Onomah Raheem Lawal
Kayode Martins Ik Uche

Mikel will be coming in as an impact sub and that would really tilt the games in our favor. Also there is Jude Aneke, Adegbenro and Joel Obi too who can come in from the bench.

I had to unfortunately drop Onazi, Ndidi and even Victor Mosis, even though they are very good players who the stats for Aneke, Raheem Lawal, Abdul Ajagun and Onoha are extremely difficult to ignore. You need to see how Kayode won the best player in Austria and how great a game Fred Onyedima had against Man City that's why I had to drop Victor Mosis.
Go Nigeria!!!!!!!!!

junnyjake:
Well, this is where Komekn's logic comes to play, if you find yourself in a lower league, strive to be one of the shiny lights there, so you can get attention of teams from the bigger leagues. As a midfielder, scoring 5 goals already is an impressive stat, and if you end the season with 15, then you've done well. You also need to look at the quality of goals as well.

When you have limited time to play in the Serie A and that doesn't deter you from scoring, then you're special. Don't forget, you can't compare the quality of defense in the Serie A to that of Norway. So if you're playing against serious opponents, your mind would tilt towards the Serie A player.


If a striker in Serie A isn't scoring, and he's playing regularly, you ask, does he wastes chances? how clinical is he? How many assists does he have to his name? What's his contributions to the team? Has his positioning been great? Has he been unlucky with the bars or brilliant goal keeping? if your answers are in the -ve, then it'd be a no brainer embracing your goal scoring Belgian league player.

Petrobros:
I tell you again: you will do your self good by purging ur heart of Nepotism.

I am not Igbo, so don't think I am on a solidarity mission.

Icon4s said something: that he cares less about comments that are not meaningful or something like that. Have you not noticed he has stopped engaging in discussions with you?

I don't comment much here but I do plenty of observations. I too have personally stopped reading most of your comments. Until you change your approach.

komekn:
An objective based argument is one that is based on proven facts, authoritative and substantive facts not prejudice.

What are the facts

1) The EPL is rated Number 1 or 2 in the world depending which respected and or authoritative ratings body you make reference too.

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458287-ranking-the-top-20-world-football-leagues-statistically
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2836244/Premier-League-emerges-best-world-following-Sportsmail-s-depth-study-global-football.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/786046-power-ranking-the-top-30-leagues-in-europe
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/10-Reasons-Why-All-The-World-Loves-The-EPL

2) Ratings are not absolutes but indicators for informed projection to be made. Using the baseline data, is it prejudice to rate a league higher in a far higher rated league because that's what you call it.

3) The ratings of a league and a top team in that league have an impact on the player rating as well , is that what you call prejudice

4) A methodology based on performance measurements devoid of personal subjective and emotive preferences is what clubs use around the world to identify players in the first instance. That is what you call prejudice

5) What these methodical objective based assessments highlight in the world context is how far the Chines league has come up and how high some of the south American leagues are.

6) In the 1990's like other things our domestic leagues were strong and there was not a mad dash to leave Nigeria. That is a complete irreverent comparison as things stand now and have been for over 10 years, your statement is totally misleading, WHY Consider that ; Amokachi was at Brugge and the stand out player before going to Everton. Yekini was the top goal scorer in the Portuguese league, 2015 I was at Sporting Braga the then sporting Director Augustino was still talking about him with amazement. For goodnes sake Amunike was at Sporting L then went on to Barcelona. I really do not need to talk about the Ajax boys of Finidi, Oliseh, Kanu and later Tijani. In comparison our current set of players are actually very badly under achieving our player of that era were in the top clubs and leagues of Europe. So what on earth is your point you are giving credence to show yourself as being bigoted and having unjustifiable animosity emanating from prejudice.

7) Lets have an elementary lesson , what is prejudice preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience What do you know about English football How many EPL and English league coaches and managers do you now How many coaching sessions have you watched and or coached, how many players do you know, live games watched, etc , etc

My primary area of experiential knowledge and understanding is English football, it is not prejudice but specialism. Yes I speak to people in the Eredivisie not managers mainly coaches and recruiters. But i would not proffer their opinions here and therefore reluctant to make in depth commentary on their players beyond the basics.


9) It was alleged that i do not consider players outside of the EPL , which is not true. I gave credence by giving examples of numerous players who left League 1 straight into the EPL. But with the proviso that they should be outstanding in team and league as the justification for a call up.

10) It is methodical and objective to consider players in a far higher league as being superior on average. That is not prejudice , but measurable and proven fact all things being equal or generally speaking. Of course there will be exceptions. The Eredivisie is ranked over 10 places below the EPL that is a huge gulf. Is it therefore not feasible to rank the Eredivisie on par or even lower than the English Championship and in that regard the Norwegian league which is 30 places below on par or much lower than League 1. Is that prejudice or methodical comparison measurement

11)The highest goals to game ratio in European leagues, is in the Eredivisie who often manage over 3 goals per game. But what does that say about a league where goals come so cheaply Form your own opinion.


Finally, can the vitriolic, antagonistic, spiteful and rancorous rhetoric stop as some of us sound like a bitter woman scorned on her wedding day left holding the flowers with no bridegroom We can agree to disagree, i am not part of the NFF and would never be officially, all i give are opinions.

tbaba12345:
From that comment, Ajagun was playing for the worst team and was not starting at that time.

Those are 2 considerations.

Nwakali is playing at least. For Nwakali's invite, i did say, it was a surprising call but we should see what he can offer.

I will say the same if Ajagun is invited.

tbaba12345:
From that comment, Ajagun was playing for the worst team and was not starting at that time.

Those are 2 considerations.

Nwakali is playing at least. For Nwakali's invite, i did say, it was a surprising call but we should see what he can offer.

I will say the same if Ajagun is invited.

forgiveness:
What makes it the worst team in the Eredivise after just 8 games out of 30 something?

Who told you he is not starting?

Please, kindly be informed that Ajagun has started in all their league matches prior to receiving red card.

Moreover, that is not what is used to measure the quality of a player. Afterall, Chelsea_F.C was almost relegated last season?

Does that makes Mikel Obi a bad player?

Who are the better ones?

tbaba1234:
Right now, Roda are the worst team in eredivise. 0 wins in 8 games even with the incredible Ajagun in the team.

Right now, there is nothing to suggest, Ajagun deserves a place in the eagles. He has been benched in recent games.

forgiveness:
I just asked you a question. What makes it the worst team after 8 games?

Please, tell us how many times he has been benched in recent games?

Tell us how many games Roda fc played without Ajagun?

I need facts.

tbaba1234:
He did not start the last game.

Doesn't the fact that he has started most games make his case worse. He is a creative midfielder in a team that has scored only 3 goals in 8 games..

Mujtahida:
It's okay, my brother. We all love the team. I would rather believe you to be calling for players in consideration of performance than on the basis of tribe. I don't want to see you as a tribal bigot. God bless you Sire.

Taliban:
Sir forgiveness, that is life, people are highly subjective and obviously biased and extremely sentimental!!!!

I have put together a strong team for you based on your insights and recommendations, do to it as you wish.

It's a very strong side to be honest.

tbaba1234:
Ajagun is playing for the worst team in the Eredivise and is not starting. Maybe a few years back, a case could have been made for Ajagun but not now. There are better players.

terzurum5:
Forgiveness, Komekn, Kog45........ food don don

Agali is Eagles’ chief scout for Russia 2018

OKOGBA

Super Eagles coach, Gernot Rohr has listed former striker, Victor Agali as his chief scout going to the 2018 FIFA World Cup tournament in Russia.

https://cdn.vanguardngr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Victor-Agali.png
Victor Agali

Rohr who guided the Super Eagles to a highly successful qualification campaign told Nice news outlet Nice-Martin that Agali’s contribution to the campaign was priceless, hence his decision to retain him for the World Cup.


Agali worked with Rohr throughout the qualifiers in the capacity of scouting opposition teams and helping identify Nigerian players abroad.


Agali played under Rohr at French side OGC Nice in the 2004-2005 season, scoring six goals in 30 appearances.


It is understood that Rohr is looking at the possibilities of engaging more ex-internationals to enable him build a formidable team for the country ahead of the World Cup in Russia 2018.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/agali-eagles-chief-scout-russia-2018/amp/

Kog45:
Mujtahida you belong to a class here so don't join all these roforofo fight,leave them to sort their issues out.

Pls let's talk football, anybody that want 11 Yorubas or 11 Igbos in the XI should go ahead,there is no short cut in football cos players were always expose.

I can tell you we have some bleeping tribal guys here but you just need maturity to get along.If you have third eyes you w know them,they hide it but they are real sectional.

I hope this thread w not be turned to political thread were you hear zombie, wailers,afonja,ipobs.This is football thread and we are all here for a purpose, the growth of super eagles.

Let me tell you basic fact a TRIBAL man we always identify tribalism, so if they like they should keep on mentioning Kunle,Gbenga,Abiodun, Bola etc or Ebere,Chukwu,Chidi, Chukwudi etc the best w always play for eagles.

Icon4s said he has learnt to ignore comments that w not yield any result than for one to make a statement out of annoyance that one w be regretting later.

Petrobas was force to make a statement you HATE IGBO cos he cannot ignored, better for us to learn how to ignore and move on.

Let me tell you basic fact about me if i quote you and I see that you are not the type i don't quote again. If am wrong i apologize immediately, am not here to win trophy but to share ideas and learn.

Forgiveness is free to say anything as far he didn't disobey the rules of the thread,the best if you cannot have healthy arguments with him you move on.Let him name any player it's his opinion he can't force them on Rohr and is free to criticise him,nobody business.

Remember have come here several time to analyze factors that can be responsible for players invitations and you make your own contribution, so what is big deal in what Forgiveness is saying regards player invitation.

I have some monikers i take delight in having discussion with regularly,some very rear,some i don't quote cos it w end in insult.If i quote and i noticed our discussion is losing basic respect i cut off i can even say am sorry or OK just to end it.

Mujtahida,Jobie, tbaba1013,Junnyake,four of you belong to a class here if you don't know and you guys are too big for this distraction cos we source a lot from you.

Joebie:
haha badt guy!

Joebie:
We all know he is just sneaking Onomah in there. Not like he would celebrate if Rohr gives Onomah a call up
I hate to even think about tribe for a second.

enigmaticmotik:
You make good contributions but you just need to be more careful of your environment. I am proudly Yoruba (though I didn't choose to be one), the very thing that always bring people to this thread is the fact that we can share out opinions without getting into a tug of war like the politics thread. Let's try to avoid the use of words like marginalization, nepotism and any other word with "tribe" as the base word. The player I look forward to seeing in the NT is still Joel Obi.


God bless Nigeria

junnyjake:
I deserve a place in Rohr’s World Cup team –Ebuehi


https://www.ripplesnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/tyronne.jpg

Dutch-born Ado Den Haag right-back Tyronne Ebuehi believes his display during the Argentina friendly would convince Nigeria coach Gernot Rohr that he is worthy of joining his team to the World Cup.


The 21-year-old, who made his international debut in a 3-0 friendly win over Togo on June after switching his allegiance from Holland to Nigeria, was fielded in the 4-2 defeat of Argentina in a friendly affair in Russia a week ago.


Ebuehi came on as a 46th minute substitute and stamped his authority on the match within moments of his introduction by nullifying the threat of Paris Saint-Germain star Angel Di Maria.


The Haarlem-born defender expressed his delight at having the opportunity of playing against one of the best players in the world.


“I played against Angel Di Maria, a great player of course, and I cannot quite realise that I can play against him,’’ Ebuehi was quoted by voetbalprimeur.nl as saying at the weekend.


“Defensively, I stood my ground, and offensively I tried to do as much as possible, and it all went well, I think.”



Now, the player, who has a Nigerian father and a Dutch mother, says having proved his class in the clash against the star-studded Argentine side, he should be considered for a spot in Rohr’s World Cup squad.


“All of a sudden you play against world stars, normally you see them on TV or you play them with FIFA on the computer,” Ebuehi was quoted by Dutch outlet NOS as saying on Monday.


He believes his trademark speedy runs down the right flank, which have helped him cement a regular starting spot at ADO Den Haag, would help the Eagles in Russia.


“I think it (playing against Argentina) went well, I have a lot of speed and I try to get a lot of the ball,” Ebuehi told NOS.


“I think I left a good impression, it would be nice, that I play at the World Cup next year.”
RipplesNigeria… without borders, without fears

zuchyblink:
Rohr is not a Nigerian. He selects players based on merit. You cannot feature kayode, ademola, Solanke, tammy, nwakaeme etc over nacho knowing nacho's exploits in SE. Lets stop this bigotry. We cannot afford to bring it to sports

Icon4s:
The thing is people are often afraid to call a spade what it is.

His SOLE mission has been clear right from his first post on here.

Mujtahida:
I hate to go down this road but I have to: Amaju Pinnick is from Delta State, the first vice president of the NFF S. Akinwummi as well the NFF media officer Toyin Ibitoye are yoruba. The second vice president is Shehu Dikko from the North. Rohr has three Nigerian Coaches Salisu Yusuf from the North, Amapakabo is an okrika man, Alloy Agu is Igbo.

So if a Yoruba man is crying that yoruba players are not given a chance(and it's so clear now to me that that is what it is) does he know better than S. Akinwummi and Toyin Ibitoye who are in a position to influence things?

We have the strange case of Uche Agbo who has been invited for almost a year now without even a single game time. Nobody talks about him. Even the press is silent about him. Yet it's like the guy is a patient man waiting for his opportunity.

Rohr doesn't invite Kayode, wahala. He invites him even more wahala.

It makes me sad when accusations of tribalism begins to be made against this team.

If the teams likes let it be populated by gworo [sup][/sup]chewing abokis. Just play good football and win games. To hell with whatever tribe.

Daejoyoung:
We can't call everybody, maybe an Aluko though, but Ademola's position is a competitive one in the SE at the moment. He can only be called if he is clearly better than what we have already. I agree we need Aluko though cos we need more creative midfielders.

tbaba12345:
Rohr must be from Uzoho's village. Nepotism

junnyjake:
Sorry, but I'm not going down that road with you.

junnyjake:
None of my tribesmen had ever played for the NT. Should I now gather my kinsmen, assemble ourselves in front of the Lagos lagoon taking a leap one after another crying marginalization??


The closest player I'd say we ever had was Stephen Odey, but how many times have you seen me pushing for his callup? I care about performances not representation from different ethnic groups of the country.