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tbaba1234:
Oga, Martins has only had 1 assist since June. 4 Assists in total.

This why i am always scared of believing you. June what?

His last assist was on the 22nd October 2017. prior to that he didnt play for almost 2 months due to injury.

tbaba1234:
Right now, the goals have dried up.

He is involved in most of the goals with his assists.

Icon4s:
What are saying?

Are we discussing based on points each person is presenting?

Martin has no value to add to that team. End of discussion.

Football is not played on the forum. Statistics are not generated from the forum but on the pitch.

His statistics says otherwise that he has value to add to the team. EOD

Kog45:
What can u say about these players coz if Martins get recalled they deserves it too

1.Enyeama coz we lack quality keeper

2Taiye Taiwo cos we lack back up for Echiejele.

3.Ambrose Efe to back up our CBs

4.Emma Emenike to give us more options in d attack

5.Ike Uche too coz is still doing it in 2nd LA liga

6.Osaze coz he is doing well in Indonesia.

7.Oboboana can still make d cut.

8.Plus Obafemi Martins .

Pls what what do u think

I am an apostolic of good things especially inform players.


If any of these players are doing well in a reasonable league, I support their invitation to the national team.

Obviously, I want Enyeama back because he's better than all we have.

2, I have clamored for his invitation here times without number because he's far better than Echiejile but I don't know why they left him out till date. If he's fit and performing well, why not?

3. I think Ambrose is the most experienced CB we have now. Rohr should give him a chance to prove himself in one of our friendlies. It will save us time chasing those German boys we no think about us.

4. He said he has retired. However, his statistics are not impressive.


5. Ike Uche is still miles better than some of our strikers. If he does well why not, but I suspect his case would be difficult because of his current league.


6. Well, I don't think Osaze should be given a chance because of the pedigree of his league.


7. He has been off radar lately.


8. The reason many of us are clamouring for him is because he has been consistent for 6 years now in a role. Now, that is no fluke.

Icon4s:
After that his Cameo showing, no coach deemed him fit to be re-invited. is it now 2 years later when he would have lost more form?

Oh! It is no longer, 'when was the last time he played for Nigeria' it's now 'after his Cameo no coach deemed him fit to be re-invited.....' after you were confronted with 'were there no player that went to the 1994 WC without kicking a ball'!?

Martins has scored two digit goals in the last two years and that earned him multimillion dollars contracts.

It's not an excuse to get him off the team.

Icon4s:
My suggestion is we form a good relationship with him and his parents. Even invite him for training with our next U17s. But you know the NFF policy of recruiting the U17 only from our grassroots here (I don't completely know how true). Leave him to mature while at his base in Germany while keeping tabs with his development and then re-invite for the 2021 U20.

Na wa for this NFF ooooooo if dis their k-leg policy is true.

What is the purpose of grassroots if not to uproot the best, huh?

If a player is good, he is good. No schism should be used to segregate any Nigerian from any of our age grade teams

mank1234:
The summary of your post here suggest that Martins as usual would flop as club form is not same as national team form. So let's move on and forget him. His time is gone.

How did Martins flop?

Kog45:
Yea Chidi Nwanu,Mike Emenalo,Peter Rufai,Efan Ekoku made Us94 team without playing in d qualifiers.

Thanks. So what are we talking about?

I don't know why he fled to the answer this.

tbaba1234:
Komekn, The argument for martins is a recurring decimal. We argued for Martins under Keshi. He was invited but could not justify his invitation on the pitch. Martins has not scored since July so he is in bit of a drought. His present form does not justify an invite. However, he is a Nigerian and can be given a shot.

So, you mean he scored 7 goals in 5 yet he was overlooked. I see.

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chrisooblog:
were rabiu ibrahim, paul onobi and sylvester igbonu not part of the 2017 WC qualifiers?

Of course, they were part but unfortunately their case is different from Martins based on their current form.

As you can see, Martins is still very much active.

Kog45:
I started it but u want to prove me wrong but your source said 75k for Mikel which was his wages at Chelsea,meaning d source was wrong.

Look am not argue with u but want to get Information from u just to update myself.

I just wanted to clarify that Obafemi Martins now earns more than Mikel Obi. I am not proving you wrong about Mikel Obi earnings which you stated was 150£, I just wanted you to know Martins Obafemi earnings hence the need to show you what he earns.

Icon4s:
Yekini participated fully in the 1998 WC qualifiers.

Don't compare abeg.

Fully or not, Martins contributed his quote. Shikena!

Were there no player that went to the 1994 WC without kicking a ball in the WC qualifiers?

tbaba1234:
Tyton had a terrible performance for Deportivo in the cup game. Uzoho might get the chance to return in the league but i fear that the new coach might be looking at the more experienced keepers instead.

If that is the case, Uzoho will return to the youth team and wait for his chance. That kills any world cup dream.

Those goals were never his fault. The defence let him down.

Icon4s:
A cameo appearance against Swaziland. Almost 2 years ago.

Cameo or not he was part of the qualifiers. Period.

That can't be changed from FIFA or NFF records.

Kog45:
FALSE

Odion Ighalo £190k

Mikel Obi £150

Obafemi Martins £100k

Note:that was Mikel(75k) wages at Chelsea,old V.Moses (45k)wages and your source owngoal

Pls give me correct source and I w keep shut.

I gave that source to inform you about only Martins Obafemi earnings per week. If this is what Mikel earns then Martins Obafemi earns more. That is my point.

Kog45:
FALSE

Odion Ighalo £190k

Mikel Obi £150

Obafemi Martins £100k

Note:that was Mikel(75k) wages at Chelsea,old V.Moses (45k)wages and your source owngoal

Pls give me correct source and I w keep shut.

And which source are you using? Yourself?

Icon4s:
Yekini was actively part of the 98 WC qualifiers.

When last did Martins play for Nigeria?

Let's call a spade what it is and move on.

Was Martins not part of the 2017 WC qualifiers?

Humility017:
yeah...him, the other guy born in las Vegas...omijiji i think so and one other one in Austria.....

the only problem we will be having are the greedy coaches handling out cadet teams...

Your last paragraph has already been the problem.

Unless, somebody's Pam is greased they will never give him a chance.

safarigirl:
lol....only Ighalo will be in his thirties by then and I can assure you that he has a 10% chance of still being in the fold by then, what with the rise of players like Dessers, Tammy, Awoniyi, Orji Okonkwo and co.

Kelechi and Iwobi will not be tagged grandpas as they will be around 26 at most by then....they will be in a similar position as Mikel was in 2014. They will certainly be nowhere near 30 and as long as they remain within the fold till then, they will be the ones doing the initiation Onazi is currently in charge of.

So, I disagree with your false assertion

Na today we don dey see am! I will call you out if God keeps us till then.

mank1234:
The ingredients you mentioned are subjective. It depends on the evaluator. To you Martins is more talented, feared by defenders/teammates, and more consistent. But to me, he's not. I've not heard of his exploit not until now. But Ighalo, I have.

It's this subjectivity that makes the choice between who is better between Messi and CR7 difficult.

Hahahahahah! Only to you but to the world he is because statistics are there for all to see.

If you have not heard then you are not current. Simple

Kog45:
new deal right,$ or £ coz $190 means £147 per week

Martins is earning twice as much as Super Eagles captain John Mikel Obi in China, with the Chelsea man second in the list of highest earning Nigerian players.

Leicester City big money buy Ahmed Musa is third on the list, while Mikel’s teammate Victor Moses is fourth with Fenerbache Emmanuel Emenike rounding up the top five.

1[b].Obafemi Martins £180,000[/b]
2.Mikel John Obi. £75,000
3.Ahmed Musa. £60,000
4.Victor Moses. £45,000

https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/11/19/highest-paid-nigerian-footballer-obafemi-martins-earning-twice-as-much-as-mikel-musa-in-top-5/&ved=0ahUKEwiDzJfj8ZDXAhWCJ1AKHWB9AgYQFggsMAI&usg=AOvVaw2tytkW_EXApuLH0axtwdOB




Currently, he earns more than Mikel Obi

Icon4s:
I don't even know why this argument is coming up in the first place.

The era of Martins and his classmates is gone.
Its like we did not learn from the mistakes of having Rufai and Yekini at the 1998 WC.
Yekini was even in a better position to make the team than Martins is right now.

We have to move forward with the crop of Attackers we have.

Ighalo, Iheanacho, Nwakaeme, Kayode we have now. I have sadly dropped my case on Abraham.

Let's move on with these ones and any other strikers that may sparkle this season. And as usual we'll also depend on the abilities of our AMs and wingers for us to get goals.

Different scenario. Rufai was a bench warmer while Yekini had gone into oblivion after the first world cup.

He was no longer consistent.

However, Martins Obafemi has been consistent over 6 years in a role. The difference is clear.

Kog45:
Honestly i don't want to say much on this coz am not FORBES but i want to tell u starting football early does not determine richness.



Martins earned peanuts at Inter but started earning his mega buck when he move to England which is not upto 40k even in MLS,Spain,Germany,Russian,he didn't earn close to 70k.

On tax I want to tell u there is no European countries u go to u pay heavily for tax or d u want to talk of Spain tax even Germany.

If I may ask u,if UK tax is unfriendly do u think players w be going there for mega pay,though a lot might castigate d league but when it comes to pay pls forget it,EPL is number 1.

Mind u Mikel spent close to 11 years at Chelsea with his last contract earning close to 85k.

Do u know what pushed Martins out MLS,it was MLS salary cap.

In China Martins is on weekly £100k while Mikel £150k even Ighalo £190k

Thanks,u have said it,u are looking at his flamboyant life

It's like saying Emma Adebayour is richer than Drogba coz he always display his wealth for everyone to see.

I don't know know how true it is that Mikel left Chelsea with £2m package for his longevity.

Well,both Mikel and Martins are rich and as i said am not Forbes to tell u d richest.

The 32-year-old will pocket $9 million wages (equivalent of N4.1 billion) in the new deal that he signed, $2.4 million more than he was paid in 2016.

Martins has also represented Seattle Sounders, Rubin Kazan, Levante UD and Birmingham City.

https://guardian.ng/sport/obafemi-martins-signs-new-n4-1b-one-year-deal-with-shanghai/amp

That is about $ 190 per week.

terzurum5:
Operation Capture German Youth Internationals

EXCLUSIVE: Germany-based younsgter ready to play for Nigeria.

International Edition By: Ayodeji Tunde | 25/02/2017
www.nairaland.com/attachments/6166689_midhatjpg_jpeg183e34bc88f041c255b6796c79953eee

At 15 years old, Midhat Bajric is already carving a niche for himself in the round leather game, little wonder he has been nicknamed the new ‘David Alaba’.


Churning out a wonderful performance for the youth side of FC Nurnberg week-in-week-out, Bajric may just be the next big thing on Nigerian football scene as he is already one of the top-rated prospects in German youth football.

Already Nigeria football officials are said to be looking at the direction of Ademola Lookman at Everton and Chelsea loanee, Tammy Abraham

In this exclusive interview with .com from Germany, Midhat through his representative, Kennedy Chukwuodii opens up on his desire to don the Nigeria colours very soon even though he is eligible to play for as much as three other countries.

Excerpt.....

: Can you please tell us about yourself:

My name is MIDHAT BAJRIC, my father is a Croatian and my mother a German with a Nigerian father, possibly from Lagos. I am 15 years old. I started playing football when I was just 9. I was afraid of injury then, but my brother encouraged me to push even harder. It wasn't easy at first, so many young players like me and it has to be competitive. And the training becoming quite difficult at first but now I am very comfortable and enjoying it a lot.


There are reports that you are keen to play for Nigeria, what informed your interests and how has your parents reacted to your planned choice?

Yes, that has been my dream; I am white by skin but Nigerian inside. I am a Nigerian, I like to watch Nigeria football players, like Kelechi Iheanacho, John Obi Mikel, Ahmed Musa and others, so many of them. I want to say that I will be very proud to play for Nigeria and make Nigerians proud. My parents support my choice, though my parents are no more together but they still support my dream of playing for Nigeria. I want to visit Abuja, Lagos one day.


How much of Nigerian football do you know, and who are your role models?

I have been following Nigeria football, recently I watched them in Rio Brazil, I was so proud when they performed well. My role model is Kelechi Iheanacho, Victor Moses, John Obi Mikel and so many of them I can’t remember their names.


What target have you set for yourself... Are you keen to start with the age grade sides or you have a tall dream of giving the Super Eagles a shot?

I would mind starting with the big boys, it depends on where I am called to represent, but if I should be gambled to the senior team, I play the game of my life to pick a place and make the coach trust me. But if I am called to play in the junior team, why not? I can grow from there. But German football is very strong, we are given big training.

Does the likes of Leon Balogun who was raised in Germany and now doing well with Nigeria inspire you in any way?

Yes, Leon is a very good player, in FSV MAINZ, He is quite a strong player, I look at him and I think I have got a chance in the Nigeria team.


What’s your favourite position on the field?

I am a central defender, that has been my position and enjoy it so much. I look forward one day to wear green white green. Maybe they will invite me, I don't know but I am so crazy about it.

Thank you for your time and all the best

The pleasure was mine... Thank you very much.

http://.com/exclusive-germany-based-younsgter-ready-to-play-for-nigeria

He is very young, nevertheless, I think we should invite him for the U17.

soetanoreoluwa:
Yes he is to some extent and Ighalo is a better performer in thesame Chinese league at the moment

How?

soetanoreoluwa:
How sure are you?

Because you are not giving me the full picture of what transpired then hence my submission you are not sure about what happened during the 2010 WC.

mank1234:
Statistically, Ighalo is better.
Take both to same terms:
Ighalo: 13 matches, 7.5 goals, 3 assist
Martins: 13 matches, 7 goals, 4 assist

If you're going by statistics alone, then Kanu Nwankwo was a flop for super eagles.

Statistics does not really tell true picture. An example, a very powerful short that hits the upright is counted as off target whereas a very feeble pass to the keeper is on target. A team with 70% more possession may actually have performed woefully if such possession was 80% in its own half.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

However, statistics do matter most times. Looking at that statistics of both players they are par but when we consider other ingredients like talent wise, experience, fear factor, consistency over 5 years etc Martins Obafemi is better than Ighalo by far.

Joebie:
Just because somebody call for Martins, no mean say they believe in old legs. enough of the tagging. Forgiveness for example have always clamored for young players.. so just because he call martins that means say he is in #TeamOldLegs. Me i'm in #TeamPerformance oh.

so much talk about building for the future. The inclusion of Martins can never derail that. I'm not clamoring for Martins but why are we crying as if should Martins manage to make it to the mundial the career of the plethora of 21 year olds we have will end. In fact i'm impressed with the pool of players we have in that 18-22 age range oh.. And I must say so much can happen before Qatar 2022. Team building is a continuous process with a mix of young and old (that are relevant). And it should always be so. Show me 3 solid CFs today that are proven in SE shirt, then I will say forget Martins. But let's truth be told, even at his age many of these young kids can't match his recent stats. Well, but I will be fair, let them battle it in camp. Rohr will not accept bribes.

I totally agree with you on this. So, much can happen before 2022 Qatar World cup.

komekn:
GBAM !!! True word

There are many of the so called current future potentials that cannot achieve those stats. Indeed this could be peak of thier careers. Do people think if KC was to go to Chinese league that he would be the numero 1, I don't think so.

In my opinion the Chinese league is longer a moi moi league you have some if the best players in the world there.

You cannot say you have many if any top World class players in the Turkish, Belgium and Dutch leagues if the truth must be told.

They will still do the same with Ighalo, Iheanacho and Iwobi as soon as another future potentials are discovered prior to the 2022 World cup. They will tag dem great grandfafa.

Truth must be told and you just said it all.

Mujtahida:
I no sabi maths ooo and that's why I avoid stats.I see that Ighalo has played twice the number of matches Martins has played, scored double the number too. Martins has more assists than him But how come Ighalo has played more matches than Martins. Are they not in the same league?

It may be due to the Chinese league rules that limit the number of foreigners in a team or due to injury.

Mujtahida:
Yes I didn't deny that the Swazi game no join. I am saying that game even let us his supporters down cos my guy no show.

Na lie. He came and many were impressed he played the no 10 role better than Mikel Obi.

I can't forget because many people around me praised him.

In short, people blamed Iheanacho at lot in that game and were not impressed with his game.

Mujtahida:
Ronaldo was not better than Romario. No be una dey use stats? Romario was playing and in form too for Vasco da Gama. Ronaldo hadn't played football for two years. There was no stats for Ronaldo to compare with that of Romario. If Ronaldo had history, Romario also had history and as a World Cup winner sef. But the coach picked Ronaldo. Point is it goes beyond performance sometimes
Who is Martins better than? Between Martins and Ighalo who is raving in China?

Are you serious about that?

Romario better than Ronaldo!?

Oga, Ronaldo was the best player in the world twice before the world cup.

Do you really know why Romario was dropped?

He was omitted due to indiscipline and not because of old age or lack of performance.

Martins case is very different.

Ighalo statistics is 26 matches, 15 goals and 6 assists while Martins is 13 matches, 7 goals and 4 assists.

Statistically speaking who is doing well?