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soetanoreoluwa:
Who? Martins or nacho?

Martins.

Mujtahida:
That's why I say performance matters but sometimes it's not all about performance. True I loved Martins during his stint but I just feel it's time to let him go. That's my own oo. If he were in the team before now I won't even call for him to be dropped unless he is awful but we are clamouring for a recall and I don't buy that.

How can you tell him to go when he holds the right to decide for himself?

I promise you by 2022 many will call for the heads of most the players currently in the National team because they will tag them too old.

soetanoreoluwa:
Why can't he start all the matches if he's really good?

Why was he played out of position? Why can't he displace Yak?

You no like Martins reach me

I am very sure you never followed the 2010 WC era.

soetanoreoluwa:
Why was he played out of position?

And why did oliseh Also played him out of position?

Which kind question be these? Do you know why? Tell me make I hear.

soetanoreoluwa:
Is Martins performing ?

Nacho is performing... How many goals did he score during the qualifier?

Of course.

Did he play as the point man?

Mujtahida:
You didn't see Awaziem, you didn't see Agbo, you didn't see Omeruo it's Thiago you are seeing. They have many contenders and that's why Martins shouldn't be among them.

Why won't I see Someone who has played in the Portuguese league, La Liga, ligue 1 and Championship?

How many of those players have played in all these leagues mentioned?

I don't rate Agbo as a defender and I was not impressed with Omeruo after I watched his game some days ago.

Now, Awazeim could be the only one contending if he continues to play regularly this season

Besides, nobody is saying give Martins shirt. We are saying give him the chance to prove the doubting Thomas like you wrong.

soetanoreoluwa:
And you remember he was very angry for sitting on bench... He had issues with Lars

Almost all the players had issues with Lars and that was why Lars said only a Nigerian coach can handle our national team. This was what he said when resigned offer to continue as the coach.

I remembered Odenwinge said Oyinbow na Oyinbo after the local coach was sacked and had trained with Lars.

The same Odenwinge blamed the Oyinbo for partial selection of players and bad performance.

My point is Lars had issues with almost all the players.

soetanoreoluwa:
What did he offer in 2010 world cup? Remember he was very hot.. I can say he qualified us for World Cup...

He was sparingly played, and when he eventually played, he was played out of position.

soetanoreoluwa:
Last time Martins represented Nigeria in world cup.. How was his performance? Be sincere !

How matches did he start?

He was even played out of position when he was brought on in the second half.

Mujtahida:
The match against Swaziland. That's even what convinced most people that he's done for. Why didn't you call for him since Rohr's coming.

Was those matches part of the qualifiers or not? Answer.

What role did he play?

Mujtahida:
The match against Swaziland. That's even what convinced most people that he's done for. Why didn't you call for him since Rohr's coming.

Was those matches part of the qualifiers or not? Answer.

Where role did he play?

jotey:
we are not talking about past glories here

what has Martins done this season in the first place?

13 matches, 7 goals and 4 assists.

Mujtahida:
Why didn't you call for him during the qualifiers? Every dog has his day. Theirs have come, let them enjoy it. Leave Martins and co out.

Martins was part of the qualifiers.

Humility017:
you see team chemistry is more broad...it also encompassed...team bond and unity...
this young players fits in well....into this category..
there is mutual respect and the team spirit is high...a team of that kind rarely suffer defeat.....will this folks willingly take instructions from mikel?
how will.they feel if they have sit on the bench for younger players?

I doubt the sincerity of the crusaders for Martins inclusion...because if they can sincerely answer the above questions...

the call for martins invitation will be aborted

When was last time Martins played for the national team did you hear him foment troubles?

Mujtahida:
And you want to go with Martins? Hahahaha hahahaha. Carry Aiyegbeni join. The same you that wants Thiago Ilori to go and face this attackers is now afraid for Iheanacho and Ighalo. Very funny

Do we have a better substitute for Ekong and Balogun? I don't think so. Hence, Tiago Ilori can still be considered.

Nacho and Ighalo have many contenders. Take it or leave it.

soetanoreoluwa:
You and if..

Are they not performing in this current season.. ?

How many goals ighalo Don score this season.?

How many Kele don't score?

All you talk about is probability.... Talk present

Apart from Ighalo, is Nacho performing?

Mujtahida:
I am even shocked. It's not like Martins is burning it ever so frightfully where he is oo. There's nothing he's going to bring to the table that Ighalo, Iheanacho, Kayode will bring. Our success for this world cup will start from team selection. Once Rohr fails in that regard everything else will fail.

Are you going to the world Cup to win with Ighalo and Nacho when some teams are parading Mbappe, Griezmann and co, Neymar, Coutinho, Gabriel, Messi, Aguero and co, Diego Costa, Morata and co etc?

Mujtahida:
Which World Cup did Martins single handedly qualified us for? Do you know the meaning of single handedly cos you like throwing that word around.

I said Martins and Odenwinge. It was 2010 WC of course.

Oga, Martins scored an impossible acrobatic goal that qualified us to the world Cup that year.

In short, the coach brought a one legged limping Martins from the bench to rescue us.

safarigirl:
lol...Mikel knows how to give Martins pass to score

And when Mikel is not giving him the passes?

At least, with Mikel blending go begin, na.

Mujtahida:
Romario was in form for Vasco da Gama. Ronaldo resumed from injury straight to the World Cup. My question is if it were you who would you chose?
Who is Martins better than? For me as far as Martins is concerned it's not a question of performance. Coaches regularly drop performing players. And my contention is simple: he's had his time.

I know but Ronaldo was class and that is what i and talking about.

You have to consider many factors before you decide on who is better. Talent, experience, performance etc

If we consider all these, Martins is far better than some players currently in the National team.

Why was Rohr keen on having Mikel during the world cup qualifiers despite lack of game and injuries?

But the same Rohr who was keen to play Mikel despite lack of game and injuries for a season claimed he didn't invite Kayode for the Cameroonian games because he was not in form even though he just won the best player and highest goalscorer in Austria league. Why?

tglobal:
One recurring sentiment I think has been a serious setback for african teams over the years, has been this clamour for "new players" at every turn. Keshi was the coach for 3-4 years and up until he left, we still had a feeling that we were "building a team". I can assure you all that going by what I am reading on this thread and past trendss, these same players we are tagging as "fresh" and claiming to raise for 2022 will quickly be discarded and classified as "tired legs" by 2021. It's a cycle that never ends and I have been seeing this in play since our past golden generation of players. We have always been rebuilding and discarding players not based on what they do or do not offer but on perceived need to "inject new blood"...

Onigbinde did it, same with Christian Chukwu, Eguavoen, Siasia, Keshi and Oliseh.

I simply don't understand why the first hurdle for player invitation is age as opposed to performance. It's the National team and not an age-restricted competition! No team gets remembered for how young they are but rather what results they can produce at the time.Aime Jacquet didn't drop Ginola and Co because of their ages. He simply chose players that fit into his game plan.

Whether Martins receives an invitation or not is not my issue (I don't think he has anything better to offer than what we have). However, rejecting the idea of extending an invitation to him based on age alone is what I find puzzling.

Tell them. Thank you very much.

safarigirl:
he will not blend. I know because I know.

Like I said, most of you only concern yourselves with whatever happens on pitch, I connect based on their off pitch personalities. Everybody has someone or people they link with and Martins will not fit into any group.

Na to follow Mikel and Rohr dey waka e go dey do?

What do you know about Martins off pitch personality?

He will blend wella because wherever he went he did. Why not now?

Now, be aware that Martins and Mikel Obi blended wella when they played together. Mikel knows how to give Martins pass to score. Watch the 2010 WC qualifiers then you will know better.

Mujtahida:
You don't get it. Ronaldo had not played football for two years. Romario was in form (plus remember he was already a World Cup winner) yet the coach dropped him. If it were you plus your obsession with stats you'd have pulled out Romario's stats for the last season and pit it against Ronaldo's own which was zero and you would have gone with Romario. My emphasis is as a coach you will just have to leave out some players. And I'm hoping Rohr leaves out Martins and Osaze and who else Okocha abi

Ronaldo had won the world best player of year twice prior to that world cup. He was a tested, tried, trusted and experienced player.

With the little matches he played before chosen, he showed class.

That's what I am talking about. Performance, experience and talent. You can not buy those in the market.

Then, Ronaldo was better than Romario.

Who is better than Martins in our team currently?

safarigirl:
no, we don't do well because we pack a bunch of old legs and expect them to perform magic.

Rufai, Yekini, Ameobi, Yobo, and God knows which other grandpa we will be taking next year.....

Y'all keep messing up the team's chemistry in your quest to find an individually good player forgetting that football is a TEAM sport, not an individual one and being great individually, does not make one great for a team.

If you must fortify this team, do so with players that will blend in seamlessly, not some grand dads that will struggle to find their place in the current set up

This is a very different case because those players you listed above were not performing as at the time they went to the world Cup.

Rufai and Yekini in 1998. Yobo and Ameobi in 2010.


Besides, how many games did Ighalo played before he was called for the match against Cameroon?

How do you know he will not blend if given the chance?

Mujtahida:
Forgiveness where are you Ooooo. Ehen, please put this foreign born inside your cart with them Thiago Ilori. *winks

Hahahahahah! Done.

Mujtahida:
Don't you guys get it? Are these young guys a flop? Between your Kayode and Martins who would you rather - as things stand now- should go to the World Cup?

Understand wetin?

I will pick the one that performs better in the club and in the National team.

Mujtahida:
Ighalo is within the frame of the current Super Eagles even Brown Ideye, even Omeruo, even Oboabona but Martins' time is past. Leave him there. Even if he scores ten goals for us something inside me will fail even while I am rejoicing. Scolari stood staunchly against calls for an in form Romario against a Ronaldo who had not played football for close to two years. Brazil were handsomely rewarded for that. Leave Martins, he's now a relic of the past, his records have entered the museum of our national football history.

Ronaldo was a better player than Romario. It is understandable. But who you wan compare Martins with? Is it Ighalo or Iheanacho?

Fear God ooo.

Goke7:
both martins and osaze that messed us up at the 2010 world cup? osaze tried in 2014 but to bring these old pales back in 2018 may just show how backwards our football is andwith the emergence of players like moses, iwobi even ihenacho, why are we still discussing folks like martins and osaze for christ sake haba. with old players like musa and mikel already in the squad, its a shame to be talking about osaze and martins. smh

Where you expecting the coach to drop Osaze and Martins who singlehandedly qualified us for the world cup?

Osaze did very well in that world cup but Martins just came back from long injury.

Mujtahida:
I agree with merit but at the same time merit among the new crop. Seriously even if Martins(and before I am accused of hate, just know I like obagoal) is scoring 100 goals per season I'd really not want to see him in Russia. We clamoured for him and Keshi gave him an opportunity and his performance was ineffectual. There's nothing he is doing so special that Ighalo or Iheanacho cannot do. But that's even beside the point. He's done his time. Let him rest.

Na wa ooooooo. This is one of the reasons we don't do well in the world cup.

Placing age above performance.

Humility017:
how about Paul...?
mind you...rohr see nacho as a striker..so whoever gonna come after ighalo and nacho gonna be the 3rd chioce striker...

Na wa ooooooo. So, if these two players doesn't perform (God forbids) this season, they have automatic shirt, ba!?

tbaba1234:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNEt_kmVQAA1aAC.jpg

18 year old German-Nigerian left back prospect Deji-Ousman Beyreuther has declared for Nigeria ahead of Germany.

He has made the bench of Eintracht Frankfurt once this season.

See free kick by Deji:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vg7BtYe_ho

Under 20 coach take note

Wow! German machine breed.

If an academy player could be invited to the National team and later turned out to be the one that scored the goal that sealed our place in the world cup, then I think Rohr should call him for the Algeria and Argentina match to see if he's matured enough.

I hope they will dish him declaring to play for us ooooooo, because that has always been the norms

Once you declare, no call but if you do yanga, dem go purse for yanch like say u be Sisi.

We just need to cap him now before Germany notice his talent.

Mujtahida:
Let this not happen but it seems Martins is pressing. I have no concrete evidence but his name(apart from Enyeama) has popped up more than any other player for come back. He's had his time please. Nothing to hanker for there.

Since, Martins was part of the w/q, he deserves to be given a chance to prove himself. That is if he performance well in his club.