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MaxInDHouse:
Stop saying the highlighted because even Jesus himself will never speak against what his father said!

These are the words of Jesus' father:


All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. ‭Psalms 14:3 NIV‬


This is what Jesus had in mind when he said:


“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19


What you need to ask is God's criteria for quantifying GOOD!

DeepSight, you and LordReed, come and see for yourself o. He's now agreeing there are different kinds of "good"! It's no longer one word, one meaning, it's either only the Father is good or Jesus was lying, one size fits all!!

DeepSight:
His explanations suffice.
I am now too afraid of you to bother explaining anything too much myself.

As the saying goes, the guilty are afraid. You ought be afraid being so inconsistent and dishonest, cherrypicking and isolating verses!

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

You are the one tiring yourself by being dishonest and inconsistent. Stop isolating verses, combine all the places Jesus said he and the Father are one and that once you see one you've seen the other. Did he ever say once you've seen Peter you've seen Jesus or anybody else??

MeetDx:
Clean. I don't even understand what all these confusion in Christianity means. With all these glaring truths they will still be arguing!

Is Jesus good or not? There's something to explain, right?
What is there to explain in this statement:
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

DeepSight:
Stop this. Jesus himself explained what he meant by this.

My GOOD friend, the only thing in all this that requires explanation is his saying that only the Father is good because we all know people who are good including Jesus himself, and Jesus cannot lie!

DeepSight:
As I said, if you cannot see the clarity of his explanation, who am I to explain better. I leave it to you.
After all you are someone who can say that a word does not mean what it means, so I have no hope of getting to you.

My friend, who do you think you're trying to confuse?? You have decided everything Jesus says is to be strictly construed - no explanation, no addition, no subtraction.
YET you leave something he said that actually makes NO sense and needs explanation, and instead trying to explain something that needs no explanation!

What the heck do you need to to explain in this:

John 14:9
New International Version
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

DeepSight:
Stop this. Jesus himself explained what he meant by this.

John 17:11
"And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one."

John 17:21
"that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

John 17:22-23
"The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

If the foregoing explanations by Jesus himself of what he meant by "one" and "I am in the father and the father in me" - are not sufficient for you, then no wahala.

Where does he say that he was lying when he said he and the Father were one and that seeing him was seeing the Father, and that he was actually Angel Michael just pulling our legs, he-he!
Point us to exactly where he said that

MaxInDHouse:
God chooses loyal people as His friends but whether they will remain loyal to Him largely depends on their FREEWILL:

“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.” Hebrews 10:38

The highlighted shows God's friends do whatever they did out of their own FREEWILL!

Yet he could foresee Esau in the womb but couldn't foresee grown-up Abram with established patterns. I begged you to spare me infantilism!

Dtruthspeaker:
No need for repetition. Some posts back I already pointed out that you used your freewill to pick up your phone or device and to say exactly whatever you wanted to say. It is as simple as that and that is when this girl was caught for killing another person, no one here said "it is not her fault she did not mean it or she did not have the freewill to not kill".

https://www.nairaland.com/8471561/teenager-sentenced-life-imprisonment-over#136056785

So, you are talking like one who is filled with colozonia

It's all part of the predestination!
Can't you see? I'm predestined to NOT stay in bed and expect that predestination will take care of everything!
A seer will see you picking up your phone and calling - and that's exactly what you'll end up doing. With free will there'd be no addictions and prophesies will not be possible!

Ruke1990:
If your girlfriend tears your university certificate now then you have no right to be mad at her because it was your destiny to have it torn. Not her fault, not her making. I do hope you adopt this attitude in real life when relating with people and never ever get angry or hurt for what wrong they do to you. Afterall, it's not their fault but yours. You are the one who came to life with such destinies

It was your destiny to be cheated on, to be stolen from, to be defrauded. It was never their fault. So you don't ever get to be angry with people or hurl at them for the bad destiny of yours which they had no power over

Bible says, the spirit and the bride says come. Let him that is WILLING come... Does that sound like predestined people should come?

Bible says, whosoever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved. Does it take predestination on your part to simply call on the name of God right now?

That's the point - it's all part of the predestination. I'm predestined to get out of the bed in the morning. I'm NOT destined to stay in bed reasoning predestination will take care of everything.

Just reason it with your own commonsense. Between where you were born, to whom, circumstances and experiences of your growing up, the type of brain and personality you were given, where then is the space for freewill? Add to that, you don't know where your thoughts come from, and it has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven that your decision is already in your brain before you are consciously aware of having made a decision!

MaxInDHouse:
I don't say a word against what my Lord, Master and King declared.

To whatever Jesus say i bow!

Yet you don't believe him when he said he and the Father are one, and that the Father is in him and he in the Father, and that once you've seen him you've seen the Father. Oh no, instead he's Angel Michael that he never mentioned!

I think I need others to help me ask you this.

Janosky, LordReed, DeepSight,
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina

MaxInDHouse:
I quoted God's word to show you what Esau later did that gave us an insight into what God foresee about him but you just want to claim that God is partial!

So now God can suddenly forsee things! I thought he couldn't forsee whether Abraham would kill his son.

The question is HOW and WHY is it Esau-in-the- womb's fault he is bad?

MaxInDHouse:
Use it against what he declared openly shey?
Thank you!

It is called discernment. Use it to discern not against. The expectation is that you are not totally mumu

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is against Jesus' word so if you choose that as you own position i am no part of it!

Jesus does not expect you to be mumu. He expects that u have some common sense and sometimes actually use it!

MaxInDHouse:
The baby's fault not it's maker!

Most people don't know the virtue that's in loyalty and decisiveness that is why God is telling indecisive people:

Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you INDECISIVE ones. James 4:8

Note that God is far away from indecisive people who can't take their stand firmly so that trait comes not from God but humans!

Please educate us how it is the unborn baby's fault.

(We are NOT discussing indecision here. You're throwing it in to confuse the issue)

MaxInDHouse:
Well he has answered for himself so from my end no addition no subtraction!

He expects you to use spiritual discernment and your own God-given common sense!

MaxInDHouse:
Says you not Jesus!

Nope, says the statement. We all know many people are good and Jesus is the epitome of GOOD indeed!

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
It's about loyalty and from his attitude in the womb he is indecisive nothing evil other than God doesn't like indecisive people! James 4:8

Please pity me, don't make me have to deal with infantile talk.
Whose fault is a baby-in-the-womb's attitude - the baby or his maker?

Dtruthspeaker:
With all due respect, screenshots of what somebody said is bad evidence of Truth Clearly you have not heard of something called hearsay evidence.

Meanwhile we all have eyes and senses we use to perceive and see Truth

So then use your own commonsense. Between where you were born, to whom, circumstances and experiences of your growing up, the type of brain and personality you were given, where then is the space for freewill? Add to that, you don't know where your thoughts come from, and it has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven that your decision is already in your brain before you are consciously aware of having made a decision!

Dtruthspeaker:
Please leave f*****ness. Are you not the one creating and developing it? Is it the same Google of 2000 that you are using today? So as cars can drive themselves today, do you want to now say that 1980 Datsun has developed itself enough to drive itself today?

As I said, I have very low tolerance for people who do think very well

With all due respect you don't know what you are talking about and I don't think you read any of the screenshots. Where do your thoughts come from? The first screenshot says that your conscious experience of decision-making is an illusion. Studies of the brain have shown that your decision are already there before you become consciously aware of them - which is why addictions are possible. Please study these screenshots. First set is why free will is likely an illusion. Second set is is why AI will likely eventually develop consciousness

MaxInDHouse:
You should ask Jesus himself because he has mouth to speak for himself so don't expect me to contradict what he himself has said about himself and others, this is Jesus speaking:

“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19

What you supposed to ask is why Jesus Jesus questioned the man for addressing him as "GOOD" not trying to contradict what Jesus said himself!

I don't have to ask Jesus anything. As God he can see the heart of men. He could see what was in that man's heart and those standing around looking for a reason to arrest him

MaxInDHouse:
Discernment belongs to everyone who is wise God did not say humans don't have the spirit of discernment that's what i mean!

So also "good" belongs to everyone who is good. But a certain kind of good only belongs to the Father

DeepSight:
The word circumstance does not mean circumstance.

Exactly! If you say, "among his brothers he's the only one with circumstance", circumstance does not mean circumstance.

MaxInDHouse:
Loyalty has nothing to do with freewill it's just the nature of some humans to be loyal but where freewill comes in is whether such a person will be loyal to God or Evil for me i chose to be loyal to God!

Esau was seen from his mother's womb to be a disloyal child that's why God said He hates him but love Jacob and their life shows that only Jacob was loyal to the family's spiritual heritage!

I knew if I left you alone you'd figure it by yourself. So now keep going... since it's NOT a baby's fault he's disloyal, the fault must be due to something Esau did before entering the belly. Combine that with God telling the prophet he knew him before he entered his mother's womb - resultant meaning: life does not start here!

So you really think God that exists outside time cannot see your life from beginning to end b4 you were born?

Dtruthspeaker:
Stop changing the argument the real eyeity is clearly what we have seen and experienced, which I have already described and you have no answer.

HOW can you prove you are not lying somewhere with wires attached to your head and feeding you all these experiences you think are real? In other words, how are you sure all reality is not happening only in your head?!

DeepSight:
1. Genetics. 2. Circumstances. 3. Causal chains. 4. Capacity.

Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God." Luke 18:19

So Jesus lied shey?

Hence I asked you, is Jesus good? You never answered. Jesus is obviously good. The "good" here is an attribute thst only the Father has

DeepSight:
The word "God" does not refer to God.

Exactly! Now you're thinking a little bit. The word "God" does not always refer to God. A word does not mean same in every circumstance!

MaxInDHouse:
Highlighted is your own word not Jesus' words so no one will drag that with you!

But outrightly contradicting Jesus is your problem now!

What do u mean? It's just to illustrate that a word does not mean same in every circumstance

Maximus692:
God hates Esau because he will not be loyal to the spiritual heritage of the family.

I was the chosen one out of six children because my own father was a politician so whenever a child is born their group used to call a sorcerer who will look into the child's future to know if the child will be loyal and as a child i was chosen to continue with my father's political career. I'm telling you this to know what is happening in the world of politics.

Though i grew up to be what the sorcerer saw about baby Max but when i grew older i chose to be loyal to the true God and not Satan the god of politics, this made my father cry bitterly because he felt his journey as a politician has ended because the child chosen by their Oracle refused to be a politician rather he is loyally preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom!

So i know exactly what you are trying to say but it's not what you think even Satan knows what a child will become when he grows up as both God and Satan are interested in anyone who will be 100% loyal to them. It's the loyalty aspect that God knows perfectly but as for to whom the child will be loyal depends on the child that's where FREEWILL plays it's role!

@bolded, you just admitted you don't have free will, then tried to talk yourself out of it!😅

As for Esau, when/how was it determined he'd not be loyal to the spiritual heritage? Not from anything he did in this life!