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MaxInDHouse:
You keep falling my hand!

How many historians penned down any event about Jesus (Truth) àbí there were no historians in Jesus' time?

Ọmọ God's people are no part of the world {John 17:14-16} that's under Satan's control {1John 5:19} so learn from that!

What do you call the Bible then?
What you're being told by ALL historians is that there was no Jehovah in the original manuscript. That it is a mistake added durring Mediaval times

DeepSight:
What arrogance!

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It is NOT arrogance when you actually know the correct answer

Everyday247:
I've already given my answer

It depends on what you define as freewill
Maxindhouse, Janosky, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Ruke1990

Not that. Here's what is being refered to:

So as not to derail the other thread from discussing its specific issue - to wit - the deliberate disemination of falsehood by Yahweh, I am interested in looking also at some of the other interesting attributes of this deity.

A key one is extreme brutality.

Genocide, and brutal injunctions to stoning to death in odd circumstances.

Start with Genocidal Commands -

Wikipedia -

Deuteronomy 7 is notable because it contains one of the most overt instances of God ordering the Israelites to commit genocide against neighboring societies.

1. When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations -- the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you --

2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,

4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.

5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. (Deut 7.1-5)

However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them -- the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites -- as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God. (Deut 20.16ff)

Later Yahweh admonishes the Israelites for not killing each and every inhabitant in these lands.

LordReed:
If by free will you mean completely free from any influence or causal determinants then no we do not have free will. We have wills that influenced by causal determinants. This doesn't mean all our choices are predetermined but that there's a certain chance they will follow a predetermined outcome.

So how come a seer sees you standing up in a room. You go into the room and agonize whether to sit or stand but always end up standing?

DeepSight:
It feels like we do, but I have absolutely no idea.

I have three reasons for this.

1. Spiritual. This I cannot prove. However I have from childhood experienced predictive dreams of such detail and accuracy that I cannot deny that some things about the future are set in stone already. As I said, I can't prove this to anyone. But it gives me reason to doubt our freewill.

2. Genetic. As long as it is true that we inherit certain traits, that already limits our freewill because it means that there are certain proclivities and predispositions we are born with. Like a program.

3. Cause and Effect. If the law of cause and Effect holds true, there is an unbroken line of cause and effect from the dawn of time till this very second. And that again limits what may be thought of as freewill.

Not only that, your "choice" is determined by where you were born, to whom, and circumstances you grew up in, plus the kind of brain and personality you were given - none of which was chosen by you!

Everyday247:
That depends on what you define as freewill

Simple: we know Judas probably tossed and turned all night b4 finally deciding to betray Jesus.
Free will is: could he have chosen not to betray Jesus?

DeepSight:
FreeIgboho & Image123.
Justify.

I know the answer but I want Maxindhouse, Janosky, tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, to give their input b4 I give the correct answer

sonmvayina:
What I know about is freedom of choice. We make our own choices and live with the consequences.
The story says Judas betrayed Jesus. It's a story. Nothing more.
Does okonkwo have the slightest chance of sparing Ikemefuna's life?

Actually you THINK you have freedom of choice but it has been scientifically proven you don’t!

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
The prophecy says someone very close to the Christ will betray him {Psalms 41:9} and Judah loves money to the extent of STEALING from whatever is given to the group {John 12:6} Jesus purposely chose Judas so that as the treasurer of the group he could always have money in his possession and Jesus never queried him even though he knew that Judas always steals what is kept in his care.
So Judas has the freewill to be loyal but he allowed the love of money to destroy him! 1Timothy 6:9-10

So you really think there is a chance God would leave such a monumental and momentous part of his plan to the whims of the fickle mind if a man??

LordReed:
LMFAO! Damn! You have lost the plot. Who is talking about translations? Translations have their own problem but we are talking about origins. Are you sure you are alright? Do you need a cup of coffee to focus?

Know the difference between mere translation and a whole new version

MaxInDHouse:
Father and Son simply means one is higher as in superior to the other! John 14:28

Nope. Higher in the sense one peak of same mountain is higher than another

MaxInDHouse:
In ancient times how many nations agree with Israel?

We're talking about people who's entire job is to document the past. They all say the same thing about the name "Jehovah". What has that to do with Israel??

MaxInDHouse:
Why did you dodge the question nah?

I asked you to give examples

DeepSight:
Freewill is incompatible with predestination and this represents another contradiction in the bible.

While much of the Bible alludes to freewill, check out this verse which suggests the contrary:

Romans 8:29-30 (ESV):
> "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."

So what is your own take? Do we have free will?
Let's also hear the take of our other discussants:
Maxindhouse, Janosky, Lordreed, DeepSight,
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina

FreeIgboho:
Yes I did. The flaw is that they don't claim Paul was also not a real person. The problem with claiming Jesus never existed is the existence of people like Paul!
Maxindhouse and Janosky will like it. Lordreed, DeepSight, Moremii will love it.
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, what you think of it?
Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina
https://www.youtue.com/watch?v=EEcZtMhj4Jw

Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?

LordReed:
LoLz. Go read up on the history of these books. You too ignorant of them to be having this conversation.

You the one talking crap. See all these versions of the Bible below, most of them by competing interests and from original sources, yet they all say approximately the same thing

LordReed:
You mean you don't know the Bible is a compendium that was put together by committee? Men you really need to go and rethink your life.

The OT (ie the Torah and Tanakh) used by the Jews was not put together by any committee. There are different versions of the Bible not just KJV, all derived from original sources and they all say approximately the same thing

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said it again and again that he is the Son! Son!! Son!!! Of God not God himself o!

Christ's relationship to the father does not have human equivalent. From human perspective a single male cannot have son. You can't have son without a mother. Jesus is an incarnation of the God, a manifestation of the father NOT son in the human sense

MaxInDHouse:
Please expatiate on the highlighted!

I know you have Google like everyone else.
See below

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't understand what is happening on the Internet!

Many articles has been written against Jesus on the Internet claiming he never existed why don't you believe such articles?

Ok, there is a grand conspiracy amongst all historians in the world to say that "Jehovah" is a mistake - a mistakenly totally made-up word that has little to do with the name of God!
Keep deceiving yourself

MaxInDHouse:
Those that turned against the Christian doctrine {1John 2:19} what should other members do to them? Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

My friend, if your mother decides to join JW and after a while decides it's not for her and leaves, you treat her exactly as you treated her before she joined. Otherwise you're a cult and you bear that title with pride!

almarthins:
Me I wey don dey here for 18yrs go come get wetin?

Na true o. You try no be small bros, upon say none of your many topics ever make front page

MaxInDHouse:
Irrelevant questions!

God told the Israelites:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} just as Moses served as God's representative {Exodus 7:1} Jesus also served as God's representative and throughout he keeps telling everyone that his father is the only true God! John 17:3; 20:17

I wonder how three people forming one god could be quantiified as ONLY o!

Jesus clearly told you who he was - right after he told you who JohnTB was. Do you think you know the scriptures better than him, that he did not know about the prophet?

Why don't you wonder how God can be listening to a billion prayers at once or be in heaven and in your heart at same time??

MaxInDHouse:
See how your arguments is incoherent!

Did i accuse Catholics for such a thing as the works of their faith?

Ọmọ i will keep telling you that you know nothing you just feel like arguing.

The works of a group should be what they does everywhere you find them not what you heard but can't confirm when members of that same group are in your own neighborhood!

And I asked you to give example of such "works" and compare to Catholics. And told you a group that stands aloof while people are tortured should NOT be talking about "works"!

LordReed:
The way it happened in a storybook? What are you 12? LoLz.

Of course it was. I was using it to rib you.

Why did the person who produced such an enduring masterpiece of a storybook produce only one?

I actually appreciate the ribbing. Didn't know you have a sense of ribbing!

MaxInDHouse:
You can repeat it a million times that's not what my own Bible says, JEHOVAH is the name of our God so continue with your I AM we are OK with JEHOVAH!

This "Jehovah" below or another one?

LordReed:
LoLz. Dude this is still crazy talk. In what way are supposed to receive evidence if not your senses?

2000 years is not forever. See why I think you don't know what you are talking about,you can't even properly evaluate the age of a storybook. Bwahahahahahaha!

See the way it happened with Jesus, that's the way. Instead of using your puny human reasoning to decide whether God exists and who is God!

Forever is a figure of speech!

MaxInDHouse:
You called it "denominations" but those Christians back then called it apostasy because they all have the same line of thought regarding doctrine {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} so if any of them decides to go back to worship in the temple with Judaists after baptizing as one of them they will SHUN the person!

Give an example. That's just one of the cultist means of isolating members and it is one of the main signs of a cult

MaxInDHouse:
When Jehovah said:

"I will go down to Egypt in order to rescue the descendants of Jacob" Exodus 3:7-8

How come it was Moses Pharaoh saw and not Jehovah o? Exodus 7:1

We told you that Jesus served as God's representative just as Moses did {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} but you keep say your I AM is three in one!

Who foretold the coming of Moses? Did Moses ever tell anyone once you've seen him you've seen God.l? Did the Jews ever tried to stone Moses for claiming to be God? Did any kings come and knelt to Moses when he was a child? Did any Simeon the old man or Anna the old Widow recognize him as a child, was Moses ever after anyone's soul or tell anyone to allow him into their hearts or say that he was one with God, or say he was the righteousness and the life, did anyone ever worship Moses as God after he died?

MaxInDHouse:
So you don't know what works means a group can't have a work that's not what they are known for everywhere they are.

That's why i asked you if you've known JWs in your own neighborhood practicing what you called "their works"

Neither do I know Catholics practicing pervasive either

MaxInDHouse:
Your friend on the other thread even said Yahweh is a demon yet he agreed with your I AM God nah so let your own God be whatever you want our own God is JEHOVAH!

"I Am" is simply Jewish shortened name iof God. They can't be writing all the time: "I am that I am". They simply shortened it to "I Am"

DeepSight:
And the miracles in the Bible are not far fetched fairy tales?
No one can take you seriously.

You are not objective.

You know what I mean. Refer to Moremii tale about who rules the world and how he was born.

Raising a man from dead in presence of witnesses is NOT fairy tale!