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DeepSight:
The word discernment does not mean discernment.

If I said only God has discernment, you'd be a total fool to not know that discernment is not "discernment" as used here. (I'm not saying you and LordReed are TOTAL FOOLS indeed!!!)

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LordReed:
LoLz! Guy your own matter don pass be careful. Bwahahahahahaha!

Bros you really need to get some spirituality into you. Very important. Life is not all physical

MaxInDHouse:
OK you should have put it like this:

Jesus is GOOD but only the father is GOODER!

Many people are good, not just Jesus, but only the Father is "good"

DeepSight:
LordReed! Comman see something oh.

Come and see what? You don't need spiritual discernment to know that anybody can be good, but only the Father can be "good" as meant by Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
At least if everyone is a JW the world will be a place where nobody will have to raise weapons against his fellow in the name of politics and racism!

See convoluted reasoning. If everyone always have anything he needs there also would be no robberies. So why don't you live on that basis and start hanging out at dangerous places at night. You live according to the world you have, NOT according to the world of "if"!

DeepSight:
This takes the cake. I have never seen a line this amazing in my entire life.

By the way I have answer to your quiz ready as I promised:
Yaweh told them to kill everyone because anyone that is left will be carrying unbearable sorrow and guilt and as you'd expect, a merciful, compassionate God wouldn't want that.

You get it now?

DeepSight:
This takes the cake. I have never seen a line this amazing in my entire life.

My friend Jesus is obviously good, very good indeed. But only the Father is "good" (as meant here)

LordReed:
I get frightened sometimes the way these people think.

You ought be frightened. Because u r reading spiritual words without an iota of spirituality

DeepSight:
As in!
Someone can type that with a straight face!

No word is safe from being twisted and buried!

My friend read with spiritual insight. Obviously that only the Father is "good" doesn’t mean that only the Father is good

LordReed:
LoLz! This is why they say interpreting the Bible is just a mirror. You can interpret it to any nonsense you like.

That's because you're not used to reading the Bible with spiritual insight. But this doesn't even require spiritual insight. It is rather obvious the "good" Jesus means here is not the "good" of everyday language

MaxInDHouse:
Says your fellow TRINITY worshipers who are not united in doing anything tangible with their I AM!

What has JW ever invented or achieved? All they do is smugly enjoy the inventions and peace procured by others' sweat and lives while pontificating and criticizing. All these apps and peace you're smugly enjoying, can you please tell us ANY that JW invented, and also tell us HOW they wouldn't all be dead or Muslims right now, but for the blood and tears of those they criticize!

MaxInDHouse:
Your people in Trinity fabricated "I AM" to promote their Trinity in my own Bible there is nothing like I AM!

See below

LordReed:
Ok so it was you who was lying?

How the heck was I lying?? People do call people good all the time, but not the "good" used by Jesus as applicable to only the Father because he alone has that attribute

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted proves that Jesus existed in heaven before his earthly life as one of the spirit sons of God under the control of God in heaven these ones are also Gods because they can't grow old or die that's exactly what the Jews are saying if Jesus claim to exist before Abraham then he must be one of those Gods! Psalms 82:1, 6

Those rebellious Jews actually wanted him killed but Jesus' statement here shows his origin as one of those called Gods (angels)

Where do you get all these from? There is only one "I AM", words Jews never use because they consider it the name of God (not Gods).
At least you'd no longer argue that Jesus never meant to say he was God. Because here he's NOT denying he said it, only that it can also apply to ordinary men.
Where are the other Sons?? There is no one like Jesus in the whole of human history.

LordReed:
That does not answer the question I asked you. The question again: Is the Jesus dishonest because he purportedly said nobody is good except the god?

Don't have me start wondering if u r kuku.
I've long since answered your question.
NO!! NO!!! NOOOOO!!!! Jesus NEVER lies!!!
That the "good" attribute (which is NOT what you think it is) only applies to the Father does not mean he's not God the Son of God!!!

LordReed:
Oga you can keep trying to dodge while I wait for you to answer the question.

I've already answered your question. Geez!
Just because only the Father is "good" does not mean only the Father is God. Jesus was an incarnation of God on earth, and the type of "good" we're talking about is attributable only to the Father

Dtruthspeaker:
And this is where you see that if you refer to you and I as A.i, then it is we A.Is who are talking. And not God our Creator.

So, let if the robot A.I can speak, let it speak it's fellow robot.

And if you human choose to exercise your freewill and stoop so low to start speaking to your paper, shoes mannequins, it's your business. However, we humans know that that means you are going ma* and you deserve to be dropped to the level of your shoes and stuff.

My friend, you don't know what this our reality is, where it is, or if it even exists as you perceive it. All you know is you find yourself here and all of a sudden you're an expert on consciousness. Do you know it has been determined that AI will one day develop consciousness, which is why there is fear it will one day get rid of man as a very antiquated and inefficient system, which could happen within the next 30 years! See it below.
A telltale sign that free will is an illusion is - how can freewill coexist with being able to prophesy or foretell the future with accuracy? I don't know, but that's a question that needs answer, just like why must nothing go faster than the speed of light?

Dtruthspeaker:
Stop making St**** arguments a 4yr old would say and adults would hiss and nearly insult the child because of his apparent intelligence deficiency. And I do not have patience for adults who argue like toddlers.

A robot does not have perspective because we created it as your statement in bold clearly shows. And we are talking about things that we did not create.

So if you do not have any intelligent thing to say, then it is good you keep quiet

So nobody created you?
The same way you can create AI and make it think it has free will, who creates you can also make you think you have free will, and in such a way you'd never, ever suspect you don't!
I'd give example with simulation theory. If this our reality were a simulation whoever designed it would make sure we'd never suspect it is a simulation. Infact it'd seem so absurd. But the telltale sign is that nothing can go faster than the speed of light - likely the speed of the "processor". Same also with freewill, one telltale sign is that things can be prophesied and foretold! Another is addictions!

LordReed:
Oga answer my question stop trying to change the subject.

I'm just trying to show you that "good" is NOT what you think it means. Besides, where does it say that "good" precludes one from being God. God Son of God is an incarnation of the Father, but is not the Father!

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you not typing out of your freewill? No one forces you to type and that is why you say whatever you want to say in your freewill. But A.I is just an a seemingly better Google library search robot. A robotic slave created to serve human beings and that is why it must answer you whenever you call. But you Mr freewill have often exercise your freewill to be disobedient.

So, please stop all these rubbish talks

But that's from your perspective not from the AI's perspective. AI can also be designed to be 100% sure it has free will. But if it pays close attention there'd be subtle signs it doesn't. My take is, the fact humans can suspect their freewill is an illusion likely means it is, because they must have been designed to never, never suspect they actually don't have freewill.

sonmvayina:
Scientific?

I don't understand. I can choose to do what I want to do. Who is stopping me?

AI can also be designed to be sure 100% it has free will. But there'd be all sorts of evidence it doesn't. My take is, the mere fact humans can suspect freewill is an illusion likely means free will is an illusion, because they'd have been designed to never, never suspect they don't have freewill.

LordReed:
Don't change the subject with inanities. Is the Jesus dishonest because he purportedly said nobody is good except the god?

I answer you with a question, was he lying when he said he and the Father are one, and when you see him you've seen the Father?

And is he lying here?

John 10
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

Maximus692:
Knew the person as what?
Chosen in this context means those who falls in the category of faith in Christ Jesus that's what God foreordained before this world of evildoers exist not before creation.

Note that Satan is the God of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} doesn't mean he is the Creator rather the world of wicked people and unbelievers! John 17:14-16

Meaning life doesn't begin here. Which will explain a lot of things. I mean, how can God hate Esau from birth unless something happened before birth. Same way, that you were born in Nigeria is not happenstance!

Maximus692:
Who taught him how to be sinless among humans?

Come on man, if Jesus didn't follow strict guidance from his father surely Satan is ready to make him sin.
So Jesus is giving the credit to the one who taught him!

You were asked a simple question. Is Jesus good or not?

Maximus692:
The highlighted shows you what Paul is saying!

We must be saved through WORKS but is it the works of self righteousness or that of the Mosaic laws?

The answer is "NO"

So through which works are we to be saved?

By the WORKS Jesus commissioned due to the undeserved kindness of God who gave us His only begotten Son to lay his life down for us to learn from him. John 3:16

This means if Jesus never engaged in the preaching and teaching that could save humans from our sins Satan won't gather enemies from among his own people against him. So it's the teachings that Jesus laid down that's going to save us and it's only those exercising faith in that teaching that will be saved.

So it's not just by saying "I believe in God or Jesus" that will save anyone {James 2:19-20} rather it's by WORKING in line with Jesus' teachings with faith that you are on the path that leads to everlasting life! Matthew 7:21-23

Did you actually read the quotation? How does it agree with what you wrote above? And how about the robber at the cross.
See, just because it makes sense to you that things be a certain way doesn't mean they are that way. God is NOT man!

Dtruthspeaker:
Which predestined? Who cannot predict that a woman who loves money and enjoyment too much will not be in the sex for pay business?

Is it not her freewill that took her there?

But funny how freewill disappears when it's time to pay the price eg when you are caught cheating

There's too much tendency to attribute to God the evils that man does of his own free will.
Agatha Christie

Of course I don't know, but it'd SEEM to me human free will is an illusion though we'd swear we have free will - same way AI will swear it has free will yet we know AI is not even alive!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ human life starts with Adam and Eve before Adam and Eve there was no human or life existing in any form that later became Adam.

That's what the Bible teaches!

So how does this your view fit in below:

Isaiah 64:
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee"
And
Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"

Dtruthspeaker:
You have to ask the seer not me!

Things unfold exactly the way they are meant to unfold, though it seems to us 100% it'd have happened a different way but for us!