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MaxInDHouse:
I told you already that you are free to call anyone good but what my teacher taught me is that nobody is good except JEHOVAH! Luke 18:19

Still using the mistaken name which is meant to mean "I Am".
You say Jesus is sinless. So you don’t believe he's good?
Use your head sometimes my GOOD man!

MaxInDHouse:
Incoherent verses after showing you what God's only begotten Son himself said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21

Paul said:

Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you. 1Timothy 4:16


James said:

Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. James 2:16

Guy me i no be I AM worshiper that will say "bless you" when you say rubbish o!

Poor guy. Still trying to fight a fought and won battle. I guess no one ever told you of
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank God you see that the prophet did not do anything to ensure that that which he said would happen, happened by his own hands. So, it is not the prophet you should look at to see who made it fulfilled.

Point is, it is predestined, and everyone MUST do what they're meant to do to have it come true. So where's the free will?

LordReed:
So the Jesus you are arguing is a god was dishonest when he said only the god is good? See how we know you are a troll. LMAO!

We don't have "a god" in Christianity. We only have one God and Jesus is an incarnation of that one God.
Use your head sometimes. This is someone they just accused of claiming to be God

MaxInDHouse:
Why saying such nonsense to when i know only God is good?

See blatant dishonesty. People call people good all the time including you, and no one complains

MaxInDHouse:
Says you!

You just think life starts here

MaxInDHouse:
What is the meaning of this?

So you think Abraham was happenstance? God just happened to pick him??

MaxInDHouse:
You're just trolling jọ̀ọ́ you know nothing about God's word!

Here's Revelation 7. I hope you know what sealed means:

144,000 Sealed
7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

MaxInDHouse:
Irrelevant quotations.

Please what correlation has these got to do with predestination that you want to teach?

Just trying to show you that salvation is mainly a gift, and that your "works" can't come close to saving you

MaxInDHouse:
If you honestly believe nobody knows everything then you shouldn't be arguing over doctrines nah!

At least you should agree that every wind of teaching or doctrine could be right!

We have evidence to go by. If prophets tell you God is coming and God actually comes, you don't start arguing if he's God - because you don't know!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is their TEACHER i'm not your own teacher so you can say whatever you like!

So if you tell your teacher he is good he'll correct you that only God is good??!

MaxInDHouse:
You just keep wrapping up many things instead of simply admitting you goofed!

Answer the question. Do you believe God is confined to heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
God knew Jeremiah will do what?

You just keep complicating issues for yourself!

God knew everything about him and what he'd do before he was born

MaxInDHouse:
You just love deceiving yourself when the scriptures is totally against what you are saying!

God knew Abraham at the end of his life before he had lived that life

MaxInDHouse:
They were supposed to rule with Christ as his corulers in Jerusalem {Isaiah 9:6-7} but Jerusalem was profaned by Jews {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why the invitation was blown open for others nationalities {Matthew 22:3-14} and the central unit of control of God's Kingdom was taken to another destination! John 14:1-3

Go read again. They're predestined and nothing they do can change it

MaxInDHouse:
You just love deceiving yourself!

Here's Acts:
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Combine it with Isaiah:
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags

You getting the picture?

MaxInDHouse:
So you mean Jesus lied so that you are the one saying the truth now shey?

My good friend use your common sense sometimes.
Don't people call people good all the time?
If I say "You're a good man" do you correct me that only God is good?
There's an obvious reason Jesus said that

Everyday247:
This is not my strong suit. I tap out 🙌

Honest man. There are people that'll never admit they don't know

tctrills:
Honestly I don't have an answer to this. Just like asking what will happen if Satan repent. I don't really know.

Very Good answer. Some people know everything

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted you fabricated yourself the Bible never said such things!

Ok, you don't believe God is everywhere. He is confined to heaven like a man. Do you also believe he only can listen to one prayer at a time like a man?

tctrills:
I don't have the answer to that. But as I said, life began before our birth. I don't know what he did that made him evil.

Good answer. Some people will never admit they don't know!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never said Judas is evil o!

Rather Jesus called Judas a devil which means Satan has gotten hold of the man just as Satan did to Peter! Matthew 16:23

Does that mean Peter is evil?

You don't cherrypick the Bible and you don't read verses in isolation!
Combine all that with Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee"
And
Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"

So before choosing him, Jesus knew Judas was evil. God/Jesus knew us before our mothers gave birth to us, even before the world began!

Ruke1990:
Your argument makes no sense

Do you believe you had no choice in choosing the university you attended but you were pre-programmed to go to such school before you were born regardless of whether you choose to study hard and prepare for the entrance exam or not.

You believe you could have gotten that University admission regardless of whether you prepared for the exams or not. Or you believe you could have graduated with a 2.2 or 2.1 even if you didn't read for exams and if you didn't attend classes as long as that was your predestination?

You believe you will have still have your biological kids from a woman who has no womb even if you decided to marry a woman whose womb has been removed as long as you were predestined to have kids

You believe your children will still graduate from primary school, secondary school and university even if no one chooses to fund their education as long as it was programmed into them that they will have a university education

No matter what nature has conditioned you into, you can still change your fate by virtue of your life choices and daily decisions. If not people could just wake up one day to discover they are now governors without 'choosing' to contest election, without campaign and without buying party form as long as they were destined to be a state governor in Nigeria

You are predestined to have kids. But if 'you decide' not to f.uck woman and decide not to donate sperm or have IVF, you will never have kids. It's as simple as that

Can't you see that none of these precludes predestination? I'm sure Judas also agonized over the decision. Can't you see that prophecy won't be possible with free will, yet all prophesies must be fulfilled as Jesus always said. Any random person using his will can produce a completely different outcome.

Example, you prophesy the Messiah being born in a manger but at the last minute the manager uses his free will to decide he'd give them room at the inn.

Same way; a seer sees you standing up in a room in two days. You go into the room in two days and agonize whether to sit or stand but always end up standing - yet it seems like your decision!

MaxInDHouse:
Judas miscalculated he wasn't evil!

Throughout his discipleship he wasn't focused on what Jesus promised them collectively {Mark 10:29-30} Judas was determined to be rich seeing that he had such chances as a close confidant of the Christ. 1Timothy 6:8-10
Note what Jews believe about being a close associate of the Christ each of them is nursing the thought to be Christ's coruler {Act 1:6} so Judas was more engulfed in what he could become as one of Christ's corulers than whatever Jesus is teaching them {Matthew 7:24-27} but after three years of following Jesus up and down without achieving anything materially speaking Judah decided to make it big after all the Pharisees wanted to get Jesus at all cost so he could strike a deal with them thinking Jesus will still disappear just as he's been doing before then! Luke 4:30; John 8:59; 10:39
He strongly believe Jesus will forgive him after all that's what he taught them {Luke 17:4} but he was devastated when Jesus refused to escape this time!
And finally realized he has played the role of the one who will betray the Christ! Psalms 49:10
So don't think Judas was evil no evil one will kill himself due to remorse after making such huge money! Matthew 27:3-5

But Jesus said he was evil, even the devil himself, and you can't know better than Jesus.

John 6:70
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

John 17:12:
Jesus, in his prayer to the Father, mentions Judas, saying, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Maximus692:
You keep jumping from pillar to post just because you don't want to admit you goofed.

Well congrats to you and your fellow worshipers of I AM as you guys can't reach a reasonable conclusion on this at least your I AM god loves such confusion among it's worshipers!

You are also an I AM worshiper. Except that in your case you convoluted "I AM" (YHWH) into "Jehovah", a mistake made by some ignorant folks in Mediaval times, that you have perpetuated till today!

Maximus692:
Ọmọ God never claimed He knows everything o that's what Satan wants you to think so you can blame God and justify for your disobedience.

What God knows perfectly is His own purpose which nothing can change {Isaiah 55:11} but as for what each person will do regarding His purposes that He leaves to your own freewill.

See what God said about Abraham:


“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
Genesis 22:12 NIV‬

If God predestined Abraham to do that then what's extraordinary in what the man did?

So you really don't believe God knew what Abraham would do??!! Wow!!
Even a common psychic would tell you "I see God giving Abraham a ram so he won't kill his son"

Maximus692:
because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30

God purposed that salvation will reach all other nations of the earth by means of the Jews! Zechariah 8:23 compare to John 4:22

That's what Paul meant in his letter not that God predestined anyone in person apart from Jesus all those who embraced Christianity did so by freewill {Matthew 19:27} when other Jews turned back after getting annoyed over Jesus' teachings! John 6:66

So it wasn't automatic otherwise that would have mean God is partial! Act 10:34-35

So what do you call the 144000 guaranteed to be saved in Rev 7?

Maximus692:
Jesus is not God incarnate rather he was given orders on what to do that's why he said:

“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19

His thoughts, words and actions were like SCRIPTED as given to him by his SUPERIOR whom he doesn't want to displease! John 5:30

I told you Jesus in his prehuman existence wasn't such a gentleman he acted just as his father taught him in his real self none of those rubbish they did to him could have gone without those people paying dearly for their errors but because he was given a role to play that's why he told that man:

"I'm not good o, it's my father's attributes you are seeing in me not my very self" Luke 18:19

This is a typical example of what I keep saying about cherrypicking the Bible. Jesus was constantly trying to prevent them from killing him before the appointed time. These are all part of that.

Here's John 10

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

Maximus692:
If there's no works attached Jesus won't say:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the ONE DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21 compare to James 2:18-26

The highlighted in blue shows you don't understand what you are saying!

I said "mainly".
And where does it say doing the will is not destined? God already knows whether you will do the will or not. Also the will is to BELIEVE. That's 99% of it.

Maximus692:
Ọmọ you are just deceiving yourself!

Nobody knows anything about Jesus and his disciples until we listen to the message brought {Romans 10:13-15} and it's by listening and REASONING we accepted whatever we believe today! Act 19:8

We CALCULATED what we heard and put the fragments together before coming to a conclusion.

The two thieves killed beside Jesus were opportuned to use their brains, one thought of escaping the torture and death while the other focused on what the scriptures said about the Christ {Isaiah 53:12} that's why he concluded that Jesus is truly the Christ and started begging him for mercy even though both of them are dying on the torture stake! Luke 23:40-42

Jesus expected people who heard about him to use their heads to calculate and come to the right conclusion! Matthew 16:20

You know full well that's not what I meant. What I mean is reasoning things you're too limited to comprehend - like how God can be in heaven and in earth at same time or how Jesus can be God if he prays. We know Jesus is God Son of God because of what was said about him, what he said about himself, and how he's worshipped and those worshipping him are blessed. Or do you think God the Father is powerless or doesn't know he's being worshipped??

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course.

We all predict that Korra Obidi, Tacha, Tuface must cheat on their spouses but it is still upto him to confirm whether we shall be right.

So how come all the words of the prophets must be fulfilled when a different choice by any random person using his freewill can lead totally different results. Example, you prophesy the Messiah being born in a manger but at the last minute the manager uses his free will to decide he'd give them room at the inn.

Dtruthspeaker:
We all know what freewill is The problem is people think that freewill means that they must be free to exercise their will all the time and in all things.

Also they confuse free will with doability. A person can freely will to fly like a bird but he finds he cannot do it. Nevertheless, he has exercised his freewill.

Question is, just as example, how come a seer sees you standing up in a room in two days. You go into the room in two days and agonize whether to sit or stand but always end up standing??