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MaxInDHouse:
So the one Paul talked about here:

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17

And the one John talked about here:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 1:10-11

Committed what crime o?

This is NOT what JW practices
Like I said before, none of these has anything to do with choosing to belong to a different congregation!

DeepSight:
What evidence is there that all those things happened. Let's start with evidence that he was born of a virgin. Then move to evidence that he was resurrected from the dead.

What evidence do you have of all the miracles.

I hope you know that many miracles are listed in Hindu scripture as well. Why don't you accept those as true?

This thread is predicated on the assumption that the Bible is essentially true. There were eyewitnesses and they or their associates wrote about the miracles.

Give examples of the Hindu miracles. Probably some far-fetched fairy tale you can see right away is ridiculous.

DeepSight:
1. The fact that people worship anyone as God does nothing to make that person God. People have deified many fellow humans as God throughout the ages and worshipped them as such. This is a common thing with humanity.

2. Many people have claimed to be God. I am sure you have heard of even Olumba Olumba Obu right here in Nigeria who claims the same and is so worshipped. The writer of the Grail Message makes the same claim. Many many others do and are so worshipped.

3. Look carefully at the red bold. You claimed its not by attributes. What then is the red bold.

4. Look carefully at the blue bold. A manifestation you said. Tell me what in this world is not a manifestation of God. Even an ant is.

God incarnate, you know exactly what I mean, not ant.

The red bold is NOT necessary for my belief but it happened so, so I put it there.

There is no one else in human history that has ALL that happened with Christ happen with them!

muyico:
It may be true, trust no Man, anything can happen, release him

Ok, why would police want to do that to HIM. Does he owe them money

DeepSight:
Are you not also a son of God?

Didn't you see where I wrote manifesting of God?

DextrousD:
i pray that the eyes of their understanding will be enlightened, as well as others who refute this truth.

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isn't it amazing? I don't know how anybody can study the Bible and escape the conviction that Jesus is a manifestation of God!

DeepSight:
In short you accept what you are told and shown without reasoning right? Na you talk am oh. Don't deny what you have just said.

Now, I hereby tell you and show you that I am your lawful master, your liege lord. As per your standard, there is no need to reason this out.

If someone told me hundreds of years in advance God is coming. And you come and say you are him and have things I'd associate with him, and 2025 years later you're being worshipped as him and your worshippers blessed, YES I'd accept you're a manifestation of God!

Both! You know it is metaphorical yet trying to force it into what it's not nor meant to be!

DeepSight:
There is something seriously wring with you. You say you arrived at the conclusion by evidence and at the same time you say it required no reasoning.

I am not sure you are well.

There is a huge difference. One way is having to figure out if someone is God by matching them up with attributes you have in your head and calculating what percentage they meet and if that percentage qualifies them as God. The other way, which is the way here, is being TOLD and SHOWN someone is God, and you don't have to calculate anything.
You get it now, my son?

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Exactly like Tinubu fighting corruption!

Mr Corruption dey fight corruption!!

She better give that boy a sibling. She's young enough to have at least two more

DeepSight:
So how then did you conclude?

Remember the title of the thread - Why Jesus Christ is DEFINITELY God.

By EVIDENCE viz:
Hundreds of years in advance, Prophets said God was coming. Someone came and said he was the God, had no sin, did miracles, forgave sins, accepted worship, rose from dead. 2025 years later he's still being worshipped as God and his worshippers blessed.

Do you see anywhere I have to do any calculations?

MaxInDHouse:
This is really funny walahi talahi!

There is nothing to reason but you keep saying others aren't using their heads.
Abeg if there's nothing to reason then in what way should people use their heads?

Well I AM worshipers understands their own people no matter what they say it's always in line with their god I AM!

Simple. Hundreds of years in advance, Prophets said God was coming. Someone came and said he was the God, had no sin, did miracles, forgave sins, accepted worship, rose from dead. 2025 years later he's still being worshipped as God and his worshippers blessed.
If same thing happens with ANYBODY I'd also believe they're manifestation of God. Nothing for me to reason!

MaxInDHouse:
So if you have heard it in other religions why hype the ones you've heard about JWs as if it doesn't happen elsewhere?

You are the one harping on "works" when that's NOT what we're discussing. So I finally gave you one of the famous works of JW

MaxInDHouse:
There is nothing like three persons in one God Jehovah is one person! Mark 12:29

There you go with the false name again. YHWH is ONE God with different manifestations. One of them is the Son, Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
The question is did Jesus initiate such a thing among his disciples?
YES or NO?

We're talking of two completely different things. Every community ostracizes. I was reading of a man ostracized and banished from his community for impregnating his own daughter. Quite different from ostracizing him for deciding he no longer wanted to live in the town thus coercing him to stay - that's the JW practice that causes accusations of cult!

DeepSight:
So since you did not use your reasoning, what did you use to arrive at the conclusion that he is God.

There is nothing to reason. There is no calculation involved. Quite different from me deciding what attributes God must possess. I didn't have to reason anyhting

LordReed:
LoLz. Where did I say it depends on your reasoning? Have you started going blind or your reading comprehension is regressing? I said you believe a story book without evidence despite saying you are unable to properly evaluate the world around you. It is unfortunate that you cannot recognise how insane that sounds.

I did NOT say I don't believe the world around me. Of course I do! Only that just my senses and reasoning are NOT the final proof of anything.
In case of Jesus, things writen in a book that has been in existence since forever are the deciding factors NOT my senses and logic!

MaxInDHouse:
But have you heard of child abuse among Catholics in far away lands?

Of course, exactly same as I have heard of JW. Except that JW actively cover it up, conspiracy of silence!

FreeIgboho:
Yes I did. The flaw is that they don't claim Paul was also not a real person. The problem with claiming Jesus never existed is the existence of people like Paul!
Maxindhouse and Janosky will like it. Lordreed, DeepSight, Moremii will love it.
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, what you think of it?
Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina
https://www.youtue.com/watch?v=EEcZtMhj4Jw

Figures. 53% of Americans are dumb! See below

Gabrielshow24:
"cross the line"? What line?😅 Max is an asymptote 😂😂👀, he will always be closer but never get there 🤣🤣🤣!

Well done, by the way!

It's only a matter of time. I feel it in my bones!😅
Thanks abunch

CharlotteFlair:
When Nigerians sack tinubu by 2027, must watch him closely to avoid stories that touch.

Nigerians can't try it


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Righteousness2:
PEACE after Suicide?
You are Deceiving yourself sir.

Suicide is Murder.
Suicide is Expressway non stop to Hell.
There is NO PEACE in Hell

Meanwhile,
This photo was taken on the beach of Gaza City last Friday, July 4.

I'm having trouble spotting any famine or genocide.

Photo: Ali Hassan/Flash90

Except, he didn’t commit suicide. Putin killed him

MaxInDHouse:
You still don't understand what we are saying!

The personality of God is revealed in Christ Jesus as he put on the attributes of his father but that doesn't mean he is the same person!

I see you're getting closer and closer. Maybe this will help you cross the line:
They are NOT the same person. One God in three persons. Remember?

MaxInDHouse:
Wow!
And i expected much more from you o!

Well there is no single person who leaves the church without first having an issue with someone in the church so it's when such a person refuses to resolve the issue that he or she will stop attending the church completely.

Note how Jesus laid down the procedure then ending it with all members of the church shunning the person.

Well at least you've seen that members of the church shunning one of them is supported by Jesus you may now choose what to say or do about it.

Not true at all. Many JW want to leave but scared of shunning

DeepSight:
Recitation is merely making the sounds of words as a mantra.

And how do you get to that without first reading the words

Maximus692:
I told you:

"that post is not for you"

It was for FreeIgboho.

I deal with each person according to the level of your IQ, the way you've responded to my posts in previous times has shown me your level of understanding that is why i don't engage you anymore.

Just look at the way FreeIgboho went silent when i asked him if he has seen a JW sexually abusing a child in his own neighborhood or if he can mention any church or religion where such a thing could'nt be found.

Instantly he realized that was a blunder because there is no religion where sexual scandals can't be found neither has people in this side of the world come out to say JWs in their area are child molesters.

But you will just continue talking back to prove you are not giving in to what you condemn.

Why can't you just answer the two simple questions?

Is it based on some tools you called JWs a cult or based on the fact that we shun rebellious ones?

Are you now saying any group of people who shun rebellious members must be in possession of some tools?

That's the same way you spoke without thinking the other time only to start rearranging your words after realizing it!

No mind am DeepSight.
I didn't go silent at all. I just haven't gotten to it because I have so much to reply. Here's the reply:
I haven't seen any Catholic Rev Father on my street abusing a little boy either.
Now you say it's in every church - same way works are in every church, my buddy!

DextrousD:
Very correct sir,

The very person of God is revealed in Christ Jesus

Thank you very much. JWs MaxInDHouse and Janosky argue against it like their life depends on it

DeepSight:
I once told my boss years ago - like 20 years ago - that "perception is reality."
He swiftly corrected me, saying, "No, perception is cognitive reality."

Your boss was a smart man

Maximus692:
Jesus initiated SHUNNING among his disciples! Matthew 18:15-17

This never said stop associating with people who leave the group. It is talking of wrong-doing

LordReed:
LoLz. The tone deafness of this post is why I think you're playing with less than a full deck. How are you saying you are unable to properly evaluate the reality you are experience right now but you believe a story book from 2000 years ago which have no evidence of? Don't you think you need to count your marbles?

The book is not dependent on my reasoning. If I were told to use my reasoning to decide whether Jesus is Son of God, I can't.
Unlike you that use solely your faulty reasoning to decide such things

Maximus692:
Jesus taught us that if there is any case that warrants settling among us we should encourage the two persons involved to resolve it between them but if it's not resolved we must take two other members to the one insisting on his own idea if he still disagree then the body of elders should intervene but if he still disagree with the body of elders in the congregation then we should SHUN such a person! Matthew 18:15-17

Jews used to SHUN people of other nations and tax collectors Jesus said that is the same way we should treat whoever disagree with what the entire congregation concludes as best decision!

I asked you show me where Jesus said if someone leaves the church they should be shunned, instead you showing me dispute settlement