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macof:
Which God? Jehovah, Allah, YHWH, Brahma, Amenominakanushi, Mawu-Lisa, Mulungu, Chineke, Olorun
Tell which God I believe in since you know me so much

Btw I am nt atheist but I rather associate with atheist who are generally intelligent folks than dumb zombie minded Christians and muslims

There you are wrong bro. To believe in God or not to believe in God has nothing to do with your intellect. It comes from deep within an individual. I have a big laugh when I see the way atheist pride themselves as intellectually superior to arderents of other religion. Faith is what guides every soul. While the Christians/muslims choose to put their faith in God throu the tenets thought by their various religions you macof chose to put yours in the gods your ancestors worship while the atheist put their faith in the idea that God doesnt exist. To each his own belief. Now how does where one chooses to put his/her faith add to his intellect. Even if an atheist tries to sell the idea of atheism to me with all the strongest of arguments he can conjure for some reason I still will choose to be a christian. The same is expected if the roles are reversed and I was the one trying to sell christianity to an atheist. We both know that we have individuals of high intellect in both sides of the divide(theist and atheist) so lets come to terms with reality that atheism doesnt make people smarter.

Pr0ton:
Tell me one world mystery that God helped man to unfold

The mystery of humanity. Despite our differences in language, ethnic background and race all himans cry the same, laugh the same, rejoice when there is a new birth and cry when someone dies....Shows we are all creatures of the same God

urheme:
Thanks bro but the problem is people are no longer seeking the face of God, they are being led into delusion by business men who they call men of god.

Do you really think religion is a way to God?

Jesus Christ has given us the sure way to the father. He said it himself that not all that call him Lord Lord in this world will make heaven. No man can decieve God. So its foolish to lose you connection with God because of the hypocrisy of your fellow man who parades himself as a "man of God"

Pr0ton:
Everything is senseless. Errors and absurdities started right from the fall of man, and it will continue that way till religion becomes extinct.

That can never happen. As long as there are still so many things out there left un-explained, man will continue to seek for the face of God-who knoweth all things

plaetton:
In the same that every electron in the universe came into existence, through the perturbations of energy.

Of course I quite agree with you. How did that electron come into being. From whence did it have it's mass and charge. Can energy be made outta nothing?

macof:
God knows you would lose your only child but allows it to make u suffer
Then he is evil

This guy you believe there is a God but if baffles me why you always choose to pitch tent with atheist to attack xtians in every thread.

Idrismusty97:
↑↑↑ LOL! He is proudly telling us god is a tyrant...Take it or leave it .

Job questioned God and he wasnt smithed was he. You spite his holy name daily on this thread and yet he hasnt lifted a finger against you. Our God is no tyrant my friend but there is surely a limit to his patience.

plaetton:
Try to think about this for a second.

Your omnipotent and omniscient god creates a chaotic world for you, a sort of turbulent ocean, buts asks you to swim well and steadfastly because a paradise island, a paradise kingdom is waiting for you on the far horizon, if you manage not to drown in this turbulent ocean he has created for you.
Is that your position?
If so, does that make god even sensible?

Funny when you say your God. How do you believe you and everything around you came into existence?

Pr0ton:
If GOD simply allowed it why does He blame us then?

He never programmed us to be good yet says, "without holiness no one shall see him". He is excepting the impossible from us yet will throw us into hell if we don't turn up.


If your saying God is not responsible for the terror we face then you contradict yourself and don't even understand what your saying.

God has no plan to throw you in hell because even though you may not believe it he is full of mercy. Mercy for mankind drove him to send his only son to die for you so that you may share in a covenant that makes you inherit eternal life. Rather than waste your life denying his existence it will do your soul well to come to know him, love him and serve him. Yes holiness doesnt mean you will not err occasionally but trust in God's grace to save you soul and you will be fine .

I am very afraid for the church at this time. I don't subscribe to the kid glove approach the vatican is giving to the issue of homosexuality. The church does not need to tone down on the language it uses to qualify gays and their practices. I feel more uncomfortable with the way western media are buzzing about an impending change in catholic doctrine to welcome gays. I pray that doesn't happen. We do not need to go against God's law because we want to make the Church more acceptable to sinners.

We all should pray earnestly for the holy spirit to guide the Church @ this trying time. I fear for the vatican!

urheme:
holy communion is not a criteria for everlasting life, Jesus no ever talk so, dem lie for im head.
these deluded brain fagged wannabe cannibals and barbarians preserved this barbaric practices in the name of worship and holiness in order to make the roman citizens governable and newage preachers just follow stupidity.

This brother you can lie ooo!!! Should I post the passages from the scriptures before you will agree that Jesus himself said it.
Luke 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
John 6: 26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.


Those who have ears let them hear

@ OP: The way you sound I doubt you paid any attention in catechism class during your First holy communion.

Keluong:
What if I came to you with a bottle of coke and a slice of big treat bread give you a phrase like "this is the body and blood of Jesus ..... and some prayers" Then tell you that you are about to drink a spiritual/physical person. How do you feel when drinking the coke and eating the bread? Come to think of it; is the body and blood you are eating physical or spiritual?

The bread that Jesus broke is not you everyday big treat bread but a special kind of bread the jews used for their passover....remember the passover in d book of exodus. Consult that to see how it is made. Definitley I need not tell you the wine is not coke. Thirdly only an ordained catholic priest has the power to effect this paschal mystery because he has been anointed into the order of Melchizedeck of which Christ was. And again when a priest is saying mass he is standing in the person of Christ. Likewise when he does confession. So it doesn't matter if the priest is holy or in sin because it is Christ whose power is at work throught the priest's words.

OLAADEGBU:
Did His disciples begin to take a pound of flesh and sip His blood while He said this?

He was speaking about what he will do at the last supper. That was the very first time he gave us his body and commanded that we do this in remembrance of him.

Keluong:
Crazy, I want to know how you believe that. I clearly remember the night before my first holy communion, wondering how the bread and wine tastes, imagine something special. But to my suprise, there is nothing amazing about it. What is strange is how people believe it.

Your case is pretty complex bro. Ok lemme see if I can help you. What do you think Christ did at the last supper? Do you believe that he changed the bread and wine to his body and blood before he offered it to his apostles to eat/drink? Can you state whether the bread and wine tasted 'specially' to the apostles when they ate it? I would advise that you consult your bible thoroughly before responding. Thanks

Keluong:
As for me, I am born catholic, baptized with first holy communion and confirmed. But still, I cant get to believe how that bread and wine becomes body and blood. The thing about all these magic and mysterious beliefs i that it just has to fit into your fantacy realm otherwise there will be doubts. Especially with the case of catholic transubstantiation. I am having a hard time comprehending and believing what was previously bread and is still apparently bread becomes body of someone, who is dead or a spirit or immaterial. The magic is not even appealing cos the priests only says a few confusin words which in which you re not sure whether it should be taken literarily a directly talking to us or they are simply restating what Jesus told the desciples. Its so confusing and very doubtful.
The second is when I am being told to say one hail mary for someone who is maybe ill or people in disaster. I am like confused that is it when I say the words, that the prayer gets redirected and spiritually rephrased to me to mean mary help those people?
Really confusing. I know many others here have those doubts, so lets share them

The holy eucharist as you know is the paschal mystery. It is the one miracle that happens everytime @ mass when the words of consecration are pronounced. If you do not believe in it there is no point receiving it because you will only receive condemnation to yourself. You don't have to understand the mysteries of the kingdom of God for you to believe. That is what Faith is. For those that study the word of God and the knowledge of it brings them to understand it makes their faith even stronger. Christ @ d last supper didn't say this is like my body when he broke bread and gave to his disciples. He said this is my body. Take and eat because it has been given up for you. You can see here that if you do not accept that the bread is the body of christ then it follows that you reject that Christ's sacrifice for you on the cross(which is what he meant by saying the body is given up for us). Everything about the catholic faith centres around the holy eucharist. That's why I said it is the paschal mystery. Everything from the holy mass to the sacraments to the creed leads up to this. That is why as a catholic if you are not receiving holy communion u are @ danger of losing your soul. You cannot receive this eucharist if you are in sin. You need to be in a state of grace and believe in its power to save your soul b4 u can receive it. Anything short of this you would be receiving condemnation on yourself.

Personally my unshaking faith in the catholic doctrine is because of the prescence of the eucharist. No other xtian denomination is that blessed to have this blessed sacrament. Yes, others may have variants which isn't the same as the real thing. So you better wake up and understand what the church teaches before your ignorance will cost you your own salvation. Abi you wan argue with Christ himself? God bless you as you see the truth in this post.

urheme:
my dear, we are in the same shoe except that my is not a doubt but it rather conflict with my spirit

I cannot eat human flesh and blood and I cannot imagine eating it (is barbaric, disgusting and very offensive) to programme the human brain to think like this is detrimental to the brain, it may likely pose a mental imbalance in some persons.

eating bread and drinking wine is not and will never be regarded as flesh and blood because it is not, be it imaginary, spiritual or otherwise, Jesus in his Devine nature can never ask anybody to eat human flesh, that part of the Bible is off point.

we are not cannibals or are we?

any religion that indoctrinates people to eat human flesh and drink blood even in imaginary term in this modern age must be ban, it imbibes the idea of human sacrifice in the heart of their followers. the tendency of killing a real human for communion is eminent, after all not all communion practitioners are sane.

Na Jesus talk am ooo no be the Catholic church...."If you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Your ancestors ate manner in the desert yet they died but if you eat my flesh and drink my body you will have life everlasting". Even the pharisees wanted to lynch Jesus after he said this. You are supposed to be a xtian and believe not a pharisee that doubts.

Ubenedictus:
i asked you a simple question.


You said mary was saved before the birth of Christ, so why then did she go for purification?

Stop beating about the bush

Just ignore that fellow. The only thing he knows how to do is telling lies and using the scriptures as references to back it up.

Sweetlemon:
Regression o. Conversion o. Whatever you want to call it. Catholics are damn stubborn.

Its not stubbornness my dear. Who will see truth and rather embrace falsehood? It's just common sense. Just learn to respect their beliefs even though you don't agree and stop trying to 'convert' them. Like the case of christ to d pharisee remove the log from your own eyes before trying to help your brother with a speck in his.

kelnas:
the truth hurt right?....Jesus.the son of God is the only way to the Father..no shortcuts!!! sorie.

Which truth hurt? I hope its not the bunch of fallacies u scribbled earlier. YES....The Catholic church TOTALLY agrees with you that JESUS is the only way to the Father....NO SHORTCUTS!

kelnas:
you Catholics can't deceive anybody. You worship Mary and it is very wrong. The Holy Bible condemns all your actions, no wonder some of you say the Bible is not the only word of God. You worship mary by praising her, also observing some kind of rituals bowing to her statue....you burn incense to ur god(Mary) followed with the chanting of some mysterious incantations......Jesus is the only way to God.

Yours is a classic case of ignorance! Seek knowledge my friend and embrace truth.

Sweetlemon:
Hell no it doesn't

Forgiveness of sin and baptism are different things. Also, John the baptist recognized Jesus as the saviour of the world.

my dear teacher John's baptism was for forgiveness of sins.

Sweetlemon:
It's easier for a muslim to covert to Christianity than for a Catholic to become a protestant.

I have counted more Muslim - Christian converts than Catholic - protestant

why should a catholic convert to protestantism....isn't that a regression? The protestants came out of the cathoic church for crying out loud.

mbulela:
She does not need to point us to Him.
The revelation of God in Christ Jesus is complete.
He has already pointed us to himself via the cross. The intercessory role of Mary is redundant.

Of course she does not need to point Christ to us just as Christ did not need to be baptised by John the baptist. We both know the significance of the baptism of Jesus to christianity as it is today. Now it is universally accepted that baptism is the pre-requisite to xtianity. Alas if Christ had not embarked on that 'redundant' exercise your likes today will argue that there is no need for a christian to be baptised.

The catholic church's teaching is not based on the scriptures alone(sola scriptura). She also incorporates sacred tradition as passed down from the apostles(those that lived and walked with Jesus Christ) and their successors. Maybe this knowledge alone will help some of your protestants to understand some of the church's teachings.

IyfeNamikaze:
My God! so Mary was the one who choose to be the vessel and not God! so she can do and undo the plans of God because she has the freewill to do so? YOU Are lost! and by the way, she is not the mother of Christ in heaven. the risen Christ has nothing to do with her.

The way u understand written text is quite pitiable. I'd say one thing clearly in Englishh only for u to ascribe sumtin I didn't say as ur own interpretation of my written text. We aren't having this discourse just for the sake of argument. We are trying to uncover the truth. I neva said its not God who chose Mary to be d vessel. What I said was that God made her specially because he had destined her for the purpose of being the vessel. But she also had to surrender to God's will because she has free will and God doesn't make robots. She had a choice and she chose God's will.
You are revealing your true nature now by saying the risen Christ had nothing to do with mary....listen to yourself. Na u the risen christ have anytin to do with. I won't indulge u any further cause I now know you r only here to slander Mary and not learn. Quick advice....u dnt have to honour her but don't insult her person because you never know...Have a blessed day!

IyfeNamikaze:
OK let me get this straight, you pray to Mary to intercede on your behalf... she does what you asked her to do, the she gives you feedback, telling you to know do whatever Christ tells you to do? is that how the whole thing works or am I missing something?

Read what I wrote and stop implying something else. Read it slowly and understand afterall its written in English.

IyfeNamikaze:
this is even more serious than earlier stipulated.

well that's an argument for another day or should I say another thread. This one is on the Blessed virgin mary. If you want to understand the church's teaching on why we ask for intercession from saints I suggest you open another thread for it

IyfeNamikaze:
she was a sinner. unto sin was she born. her father knew her mother and thus she was conceived. she prays for forgiveness.
if she was spotless, why did Christ have to come and die for us? why didn't God use her instead?

you are sounding like an atheist already. God's ways cannot be understood thru human logic. If I'm to join in ur skewed sense of reasoning I'd ask u "why did God even hav to send Jesus Christ to save us....he's omnipotent isn't he? He shud have just yellled hakuna matata and whoosh Mankind is saved!

geniusbami:
What I'm about to show here will offend many & surprise many more. But I appeal that whatever anyone feels, kindly read some books before commenting this way or that way. Hope we understand ourselves.

"If you know your history, then you will know where U're coming from"

Know this, the Catholic faith did not start the Mother & Child or Mary worship. They are ancient Babylonian pagan practise, which shows the influence that paganism has had in the Roman Catholicism development. That's why they create dogmas and all forms of beliefs to find a way to bring the Babylonian religions as close as possible to scriptures, an impossible marriage.

The Chinese had a mother goddess called Shingmoo or the Holy Mother. The ancient Germans worshiped the virgin Hertha. The mother goddes was known as Venus or Fortuna to her devotees in the olden days of Rome, and her child as Jupiter. Regardless of her name or place, a writer says "she was the wife of Baal, the virgin queen of heaven, who bore fruit although she never conceived.

In Ephesus, the great mother was known as Diana. The temple dedicated to her in that city was one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world. In Egypt, the mother was known as Isis and her child as Horus.

Those are not my findings, but those of historians. There are many books on the evolution of the Roman Catholic religion. But my reference is titled Babylon Mystery Religion, Ancient and Modern by Ralph Edward Wondrow.

Buy, read and clear your doubts.

what is this one saying. Ur unbelief in the catholic doctrines are your own dogmas. Every denomination have their own tenets and belief pattern. There is no truth in your write-up neither do I see any correlations between the pagan practices you listed above with the catholic church's theological teachings on all matters of xtian faith! Face it the Church is the teacher of all the faithful on earth and the fact that some of yo choose to pick and choose what you accept from the church's numerous teachings doesn't make you better than the Mother Church

IyfeNamikaze:
to set the record straight, what happened in cannan was a result of the people fearing to approach Jesus, so they had to ask Mary. there was no saying that Christ would have denied them their request if they had come in person. They just didn't know him Well enough. and whoever that asks Mary to pray for them should be ashamed to call themselves Christians because that person actually doesn't know Christ and has no business associating themselves with Christians.

Christ is open for all to approach at any given time ! he gave his life for us and after that he is still knocking on the door of our hearts, He wants to come into our lives. he is meek and gentle. he ascended to heaven and still sent the holy spirit to us and he also promised to always be with us.
if you actually are a Christian, you would have known better. Oh... I have never asked anyone to pray for me. you can preach to me and close the prayers ( as long as there is room for a general AMEN )

You are wrong brother. Canaan was Christ's very first miracle as portrayed by the scriptures. You think its by chance that he performed that miracle on Mary's request even when he made it clear that his time had not yet come? Also Mary in that part was clearly showing to the people present her son who she knew was the saviour of men. That's why she said to the servants...."Do whatever he tells you". That's the same way she points Jesus to us today and tells us to "do whatever Jesus tells us".

mbulela:
So when are you going to give Joseph similar honour for not forcing Mary to abort and listening to God's counsel on a pregnancy he had no knowledge of bit had to accept?

St. Joseph is also highly honoured by the Church because he is the foster father or Jesus. We acknowledge that he is a saint and he can also intercede for us.