₦airaland Forum

Parachoco:
Nobody is stoping Abia State from building a River Port with her money.

There's Onitsha Port in Anambra State too.

Ships can not move in any of the Rivers in the South East and they can't be dredge. The Rivers didn't start and end in the South East.

Other than that, opening shipping routes is not down to the state governors but the federal govt .



Is it Otti that will announce a new shipping route to his useless state or the FG after due consultation by the NSA and NIMASA.

They underate the power the federal govt wields in this regard .

Amaechi even barred shipping vessels in Nigeria's territorial waters in the Bight of Guinea claiming insecurity.

These he goats have no clue in what they are proposing.

They think opening a sea port inland is down to opening another shop branch .

TheboyGhost:
You saying trash while the elders on your villages are saying otherwise.

Feed your Ego and live with your thoughts, we have more important works on ground to handle.

Which elders ?

Even in Asaba that you are now recruiting palm wine tapping losers to speak on your behalf do not occupy any stool in their own ramshackle hut in their community.

Name one prominent Niger Delta who has aligned with your Ohaneze and Biafra rubbish.

The only prominent Niger Delta person to do so in the past was Asari Dokubo who only claimed Biafra to infiltrate IPOB and dislodge it as he has done. And for this you idiots are all calling for his neck.

Lolz.

Sense is far from you and your delusions are making it worse.

Cooly100:
Greedy vile little man...How would you feel if your son call you old mumu?

You hardly say a word without insult.

You must have missed loving affection of a parent...

..and here you are teaching people maritime spaces...

Mention your tribe so you can be tied to it so we can see how you need to carry all the seashore from Bayelsa all through to Awka-cross area...

You have been properly schooled .


You have no direct access to the ocean so stop all these nonesense.

Even your Aro chukwu slave raiding cannibal cult dared not cross into any of the territory of the lower Niger Tribes.


As it was in the past, so shall it be now and forever.

We will decide your fate and be your unwanted middlemen .

mbaise1000:
I understand from your post that it's possible, that the only one of the biggest obstacle is that the federal government and the other states which it might pass through will will not allow it, if I am right, who built the port in Lagos, and port Harcourt? Was it Lagos state or rivers state? This is what the poster is saying and we know it, that as far as nigeria govt and it's people are concerned, it will not be allowed, and the next question is why, like I keep saying, the IGBO question in nigeria is a very simple one and the solution is simple, two things, you allow them in or you allow them out, and I think they prefer out, there is no middle ground here, I will think that THOSE of you that went to school would have figured this out, educated people should also know that there are things you don't hate away or wish away or insult away or kill away, IGBO people in nigeria happen to be one of THOSE..

You said nothing.

And who is opposing your Biafra ?

I am only telling you the harsh reality that you will face and for you to stop claiming what you don't have .

LOVEALAIGBO:
Dude, i know EXACTLY who you are so quit with the ‘we south-south’ pretence! Your ‘Jewish slave traders’ quip in another post on this thread gave you away! Why someone like you is so invested in trying to undermine Igbo economic interests says all that needs to be said about Nigeria!

So my anti Zionist stand makes me non Niger Delta ?

You think we are Zionist drones like you in the yeast ?

Do you see us claiming Jewry like you ?

Ewu

mrvitalis:
Bros boundary adjustment happened that was now Akwa ibom won it's oil wells 90% of Akwa ibom oil wells is in the ocean

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/5997-76_oil_wells_belong_to_akwa_ibom_supreme_court_rules.html?tztc=1

Read the supreme Court ruling pronouncing cross river landlocked state

Mumu, because oil reserves are located over the high seas adjourning Akwa Ibom mean Cross River had no coast ?

FYI, most of the oil and gas wells that belonged to Cross River were ceded not to Akwa Ibom but Cameron , Sao Tome and Equitorial Guinea.

That's where they lost out owing to Bakassi being ceded to Cameron.

Go and get a map and see Nigeria 's territorial border to the south extending along the coast of Cross River to Cameron


That body of water in the Bight of Guinea is land abi ?

gidgiddy:
How do you think you got your territorial water? It is UNCLOS that gave it to you. And when the independent State of Biafra emerges, 25 nautical miles to the Sea, UNCLOS will grant it its own

Dont worry about it all, when Biafra comes, you will all understand international law very well

Mumu

When you get your dot Republic, it will be encircled by Nigeria if not Niger Delta Republic.

Those who control the coast , are the only ones with territorial claims to the ocean extending from the coast up to 22km into the sea.

Even that river you claim is yours will terminate at the existing state boundaries.

The lowe half will form part of Nigeria's territorial water ways and you dare not step an inch into it or risk gunboat action on you.

TheboyGhost:
You are not from Niger Delta cause you don't even know what Niger Delta is and what makes Niger Delta what it is.

So you can't possibly be from where you know nothing about and there is no Identity called Niger Delta.

Next time move pass me and my mentions if you don't want to be Embarrassed.

My message has been passed very clearly to you.

Is there any nationality or tribe in the Niger Delta that is captured under the umbrella of Ohaneze ?

Even the Ikwere and Anioma Ibos are not with Ohaneze but prefer to be under PANDEF.


If you like call me whatever to suit your delusions.

I am only here on this forum to ensure you fools are reminded on the SS and Niger Delta people's position.

We are not Ibo nor Biafrans.

You can not dictate to us our political trajectory .

Last I remember, when the struggle was going on in the Niger Delta we did not invite you to join us in our struggle for resource control and it is on record that your legislators , political elite and traditional rulers all sided with the north against any talk of resource control to the SS.


We know you as the greatest enemy of the Niger Delta and this jealousy of seeing a new cultural identity being forged among several distinct nations with a similar cultural background is what is paining you guys as a strong United Niger Delta is dangerous to your Zionist ambitions .

gidgiddy:
And later you Nigerians will find out that your sovereignty does not extend to international waterways nor the independent state of Biafra. The government of Biafra will build River ports on its land, then you Nigerians can show us and the world what gave you ownership of the River Niger and the Atlantic Ocean

Olodo.

So international shipping vessels will not be subject to Nigerian territorial waters claim and they will just breeze into our waters , enter our harbour and use our river route deep inland to your port in Onistha ?


You see as you no get sense.

gidgiddy:
And later you Nigerians will find out that your sovereignty does not extend to international waterways nor the independent state of Biafra. The government of Biafra will build River ports on its land, then you Nigerians can show us and the world what gave you ownership of the River Niger and the Atlantic Ocean

Oga gidgiddy,you are land locked and have no territorial waters on the high sea.

Territorial waters does not mean International waters.

I thought you were educated but it seems you are grossly ignorant

TheboyGhost:
What is Niger Delta please?

What is the common identification of those classified as Niger Delta?

Please give me answers to this Questions.

I see this statement regularly by you ewus.

You deginerate the nationality of each Niger Delta tribe to be seen as lower Ibo tribe which is never the case towards forcing us to see ourselves as Ibos when we are not and will never be part of you.

You also promote this as a divisive antic to drive a wedge in our ongoing solidarity to each other.

Yes we are not one homogenous body but we are united against Ibo expansionism.

And that is all you have to disturb yourself over.

mrvitalis:
Calabar is on a river... Cross river is actually a landlock state by definition that's the reason they lost their oil wells to Akwa ibom... From oron it's Cameron straight

Cross river port os a river port
Port Harcourt is a river port
Tincan is a river port
Onne is one the same river the Abia port is proposed
Warri is a river port

You are really dangerously ignorant.

Go and get a map of Nigeria and see that Calabar has a long sea coast bordering Cameron.


Why are you guys so daft ?

The port in Calabar is in the inland harbour a few kilometres from the ocean.

It served Jewish slavers well as they could anchor close to land instead of using canoes to get inland if they dropped anchor on the high sea .

gidgiddy:
A lot of people seem to think that Sea ports and whafs are built on the Shorline, they dont know that its rarely the case. Sea ports are usually built further 8n land to mitigate the effects of ocean currents

Thats why they keep thinking that having coastline is a must to have access to the sea

That's because most shorelines do not offer enough depth as the continental shelf rises as you move towards the coast.

Secondly ,most sea ports today were built and have been in existence since early maritime expeditions.

A Harbour , as the name implies, offers sanctuary from the rough sea waves crashing directly on the shore line.

It did not make sense to berth directly on the shore line with crashing waves and dangerously low water depth that required ships to be anchored some distance from the coast.

A Harbour solves this challenge.

Must we school you illiterates everything now?

mrvitalis:
Name one Nigerian port that's on the sea I dare you

Sense is far from you .


Lekki port is one and there are two other proposed ones in the making : Calabar and Akwa Ibom deep sea ports .

gidgiddy:
Dont worry about it, Im not a Lawyer but the international law of UNCLOS is there and very clear. When the time comes, we will know if the government of Nigeria will keep to the law it is signatory to, or show the world it is lawless. Thats when you Nigerians will know that the River Niger, its tributaries and the Atlantic Ocean are all owned by nobody except God

In the meantime, study section 125 of UNCLOS and read it well if you can read



Article 125

Right of access to and from the sea and freedom of transit

1. Land-locked States shall have the right of access to and from the sea
for the purpose of exercising the rights provided for in this Convention
including those relating to the freedom of the high seas and the common
heritage of mankind. To this end, land-locked States shall enjoy freedom of
transit through the territory of transit States by all means of transport.

Lol.

The UN has no sovereignty over Nigeria .

Having right does not excuse you on forming diplomatic Relationship in trade and access to the sea.

Even the UN charter you quoted does not explicitly state what "access to sea " means.

If your goods can pass through our ports fine.

But we have the right to designate which port and route it will take within our territorial sphere.

If we say no to you having direct shipping route through our rivers there is nothing you can do but revert to using any of our ports .

proeast:
We don't mind who collects the tariff at the ports, but SE urgently need to have functional seaports that will compliment/rival Lagos. That's the only way to reduce tension in Lagos before they start killing themselves out of envy and bitterness.

Igbos are aggressive capitalists, while the ronu bigots are docile socialists. They will always lag behind and then start hating on the progressive ones.

There are three other sea ports in Warri , PH and Calabar that you can easily use but you don't.

You know why ?

Because the market is first in Lagos and every other place is secondary .


Who stopped you from importing through PH or via the bonded dry port terminal in Enugu ?

You guys no get sense.

Calabar, Warri and PH ports are open for business

The only thing they can't handle is a RORO port which only Tin can has and is meant for car imports.

The question to ask is : why are you not importing through PH or Calabar or Warri?

A bonded terminal is located in every SE state that can generate revenue for your states through direct importation to these destinations but only a handful of your businessmen use them.

Why ?

Because as I stated earlier, Lagos is where the market is and every where else is secondary.

As long as you keep importing through Lagos ports targeting Lagos markets you will continue to enrich Lagos state.

Mumu

Cooly100:
How does this affect you in SW?

This is why I want to you to mention your tribe so I can address you popularly but you scammers are always hiding under Niger delta to perpetrate you evil schemes..

One of you said they Igbos are claiming your entire land...

From where exactly?

Stop claiming rubbish..

What have you done to those who have actually taken what they don't owe in your claimed region?

Idiot, before I was Fulani now I am Yoruba .

So Niger Delta people's silence is seen as complacency on their part by you land thieves.

We will remind you of Oyigbo and Bonny banning Igbo vernacular since the abandoned property saga is lost on you cretins.

Cooly100:
Where did they claim that entire river stream in far away Bayelsa is their property?

Mister, you have been bewitched by generational hatred.

You have not done ZILCH for those who not only claimed but have taken all your oil...

See how fowl dey bend neck for boiling pot..come leave the knife why kpaa am..

Okoro, you claim that as the Ebonyi river drains into the Atlantic it thus gives you unfettered access through its route to the ocean.

Is that not claiming what you don't own?

Cooly100:
Niger Delta man...what is your tribe?

Is the man from Asaba also Niger Delta man?

I haven't seen you bigot call out those who have taken your places in the oil companies in your backyard.

I have never seen you call out those who are in charge of your oil in Abuja and Lagos?

Once Igbos are mentioned, na so your red ogogoro eyeballs go dey poop out..

Take am easy..Niger Delta man

Ewu, gidgiddy that created this useless thread has been properly schooled by me that he ran away from it

If dem purchase you from that baby factory you were manufactured from and not the stolen product you sound like, come and claim Niger Delta is Biafra .


Slave

Cooly100:
How have the Igbos grabbed your land and you oil?

I know your type...

In this same useless thread you were all over yourselves claiming the entire river streams that flow from your region into the Niger Delta and drains into the Atlantic as your property.


Is that not stealing ?


The rivers you are even claiming are sourced from both the Benue and Niger River.

With such logic, Guinea and Cameron where these rivers originate from have rights to all shorelines and coastal basins were the rivers flow and drain into.

Una no get sense.

And it shows you idiots did not understand why it was us in the Niger Delta that resisted Buhari's satanic water bill that attempted to control the water ways and declare shorelines as federal land .


You see why I say there is absolutely no difference between you goats and the Fulani ?

Cooly100:
First of all there is nothing like Niger delta man...

There is where you evil people hide to perpetrate your wickedness.

Mention your tribe...and we will take it from there...

If it is for NSA and NIMASA to decide...why are you spitting everywhere...

Ofcourse only you Okoro goats refuse to accept SS as a separate region because you still see us as territory to be conquered and occupied.

Hence why you refuse to accept the SS as a separate geopolitical and cultural entity.

I have warned you.

Stay off the Niger Delta .


What your grandparents lived to regret you are stil hell bent on repeating.

Gidgiddy just purge that thought in having any direct access to the sea through any riverine route.

The FG will define which access port they deem fit and not you in Biafra.

If we decide it is through a dry port in Asaba or a bonded rail line from PH then so be it.

Nigeria can even deny what passes through her port. You want to import weapons in a build up to militarisation and we will seize that consignment.

It will be explicitly stated in black and white which goods can pass through our ports.

I hope you guys will tell yourselves the truth one day and see that you are in no position whatsoever to dictate or leverage against the Nigerian state.

Your Biafra will be a vassal of Nigeria dependent solely on Nigeria for everything .

We will dictate who rules or doesn't rule you


We will dictate your foriegn policy and where we see you alligning with hostile nations will treat you as one and do the needful.

You will have less freedom and opportunities than you can ever imagine.

We can easily limit or cut food imports . Block air access, divert rivers or engineer dams as a future weapon to control you.


You don't seem to understand that your worst option is Biafra and the only option you should accept is to join the bettersouth in restructuring Nigeria back to Pre Ironsi Zikist one Nigeria.

Cooly100:
I want to know how this affect you from far away SW?

Okoro I am a Niger Delta man and it concerns me more than the Yoruba you are dragging here for you are claiming you can waltz into any state in my region and start dredging as you like.

Also do you think that after doing the near impossible dredging , you will direct shipping lanes as you like ?

That power belongs to only the federal govt through NSA and NIMASA.

Go school Una no gree.

gidgiddy:
Mr man, Nigeria is a signatory to the UN charter of which UNCLOS is part of. This is the law governs the sea's.

As for your water resources bill, it will become null and void at the independence of Biafra and you will have to come up with a new one that does not prevent Biafra from access to the sea, or Nigeria will violate international law

Ok. Let's assume you are right .

Which landlocked nation has unhindered access to Nigerian ports ?

Secondly, if we give you your Biafra , we will need to sit down and iron things out as your Biafra does not exist and isn't recognised by the UN.

You will have to get Independence first then granted admission into the UN and begin the strenuous process of establishing diplomatic relationship with Nigeria before Nigeria will recognise any useless charter with you.

If there is no charter , your goods will be subject to triple duties - import duty at the port of entry and export duty at the point of land delivery to Biafra.

Your businessmen will rely on Nigeria shipping agents and port restrictions in what you can import and export from their territory . Your businessmen must also have accounts in a Nigerian bank that will be subjected to outflow and inflow restrictions and reparation taxes. It is at this point that your merchants will have to look into having partnership with Nigerian businesses to reduce the tax burden.

You won play international trade politics abi?

We go school una

Cooly100:
Why is the sea then? Only in the SW?

Do you know geography at all or are you using the coinage by the military regime.

How does what happen in the eastern Nigeria affecting you two face evil people from the other side?

You should be happy these Omo ibo is setting very far from yourselves.

Pls show us direct sea access in your Biafra .

proeast:
You just wrote a lengthy nonsense that shows how shallow you are.

Oseakwa and Oguta ports are only 18 nautical miles to the Atlantic while Lagos ports are over 50 nautical miles!

Oseakwa and Oguta ports are naturally deep and requires very minimal dredging!

If 50 to 60 miles of deep dredging didn't destroy flora and fauna, is it 18 miles that will?

Why are you guys so ignorant and full of hate?

Go back and read my post slowly.

You think as an independent Biafran state you can dictate to Nigeria who enters and leaves through their territory ?

Even if it is a one mile river route to the sea it will be subject to full Nigerian sovereignty .

Go school Una no gree.

gidgiddy:
Guy, stop this your blind arguement, there are many lanlocjed countries already using UNCLOS to gain access to sea. You will come and tell Biafra not to use Azuminu blue River in Abia state that is only 15 nautical miles to the ocean? Thats even closer to the ocean than Portharcourt wharf

Oga, you think the UN has sovereignty over Nigeria ?

Is Nigeria even signatory to such charter and do you think such charter is binding without diplomatic agreements being ironed out between nations ?

So you think UN will fore Nigeria to allow international vessels go as they like in their territory ?

You have no sense at all.

Even if this is the case, what if Nigeria refuses to dredges the river or divert it totally in a way that it becomes unnavigable in their end ?

Will you tell UN to sanction Nigeria on how they manage their water resources within their territory that has no environmental bearing on you upstream ?

Una go learn by force.

gidgiddy:
You guys simply dont get it, Nigeria does not own the River Niger or the Atlantic ocean, it is designated as "common heritage of man". You only own the land

So how can you claim sovereignty over what you do not own? Should the South East become the independent state of Biafra, the law expressly states that that Nigeria has no right to deny Biafra access to the sea

Yes there may be negotiations that have to be done over security, tarrifs etc, but this thinking that Nigeria will have blanket powers to deny Biafra access to the sea via its many waterways is sheer fallacy

Let me respond to your ignorant post on what the harsh reality of a Biafra will look like.

See this post below I responded to another useless Okoro thread

FSBoperator:
I laff.

Sea port ?

You mean inland port utilizing the rivers that flow into the Niger Delta estuary .


Now let me school you why Onistha port remains moribund

For start you will need to dredge the shallow and silt filled rivers you intend to use.

This has been proposed but dropped owing to two major reasons :

1. No be beans to dredge the rivers . The rivers are inundated yearly with high volumes of silt . It will not be cost effective to continuously dredge these rivers as heavy silt build up is an annual occurrence during the rainy season.

Even Calabar port is heavily restricted owning to its location in the Calabar marina harbour that can only manage shallow berth vessels thereby restricting the volume and types of vessels it can handle. The Calabar channel is relatively very wide but most of it isn't navigable owing to high silt deposit . Only a very narrow section at the middle is navigable and it is restricted to lighter and shallow berth vessels. Tidal swings also limit its use even at its deepest end as the tides move in and out. It is for this reason the FG in partnership with Cross River state is constructing a deep sea port in Duke Town as Calabar harbour that is even wider and deeper than any of your proposed river routes is not efficient in modern trade.

2. Resistance by Niger Delta states to this misadventure based on the very potent threat of sea water encroachment caused by such dredging is what has stalled the dredging in the first place.

3. Moving heavy container ships and oil tankers deep along these shallow river routes pose a future environmental disaster and blockade of inland ports if any of them run aground .

4. Your states have no powers nor resources to carry out such a project as it cuts across several states with waterways and shorelines along the route firmly in control of the Niger Delta states.

Are you going to forcibly dredge another man's backyard without his consent ?

5. The Federal govt has the final say on international shipping lanes within her territory . If the office of the Nigerian Security Adviser refuses to allow new shipping routes there is nothing you can do about it as international vessels will not be allowed access through these water ways.


Go school Una no go gree.

gidgiddy:
Ignoramus, this is not about what you think in your head, this is about international law. Nobody owns the Rivers, same as nobody owns the oceans, you can only own land, not international waters. It is UNCLOS that gives Nigeria territorial waters, and it will change should the South East become an independent country

Article 125 of UNCLOS states:



Article 125

Right of access to and from the sea and freedom of transit

1. Land-locked States shall have the right of access to and from the sea
for the purpose of exercising the rights provided for in this Convention
including those relating to the freedom of the high seas and the common
heritage of mankind. To this end, land-locked States shall enjoy freedom of
transit through the territory of transit States by all means of transport.

In the event that the South East becomes independent, Nigeria has no right to deny it from using Oguta, Ebonyi River, Obuaku Azumini blue River or any tributaries that run through the South East to the ocean, to gain access to the sea. That is the law

There may be certain terms and conditions that the South East may have to negotiate with Nigeria, but their right to access to the sea remains sacrosanct

Olodo.

That rubbish does not cede sovereignty of the lower Niger to you in Biafra.

The FG can designate Lagos port for you and a dry port in Asaba as your only access.

Will you dictate to another nation how to utilize their resource ?

You no well.

I laff.

Sea port ?

You mean inland port utilizing the rivers that flow into the Niger Delta estuary .


Now let me school you why Onistha port remains moribund

For start you will need to dredge the shallow and silt filled rivers you intend to use.

This has been proposed but dropped owing to two major reasons :

1. No be beans to dredge the rivers . The rivers are inundated yearly with high volumes of silt . It will not be cost effective to continuously dredge these rivers as heavy silt build up is an annual occurrence during the rainy season. Them there are seasonal tide and water levels to consider which will see most of the river unnavigable during the dry season owning to low water levels .

Even Calabar port is heavily restricted owning to its location in the Calabar marina harbour that can only manage shallow berth vessels thereby restricting the volume and types of vessels it can handle. The Calabar channel is relatively very wide but most of it isn't navigable owing to high silt deposit . Only a very narrow section at the middle is navigable and it is restricted to lighter and shallow berth vessels. Tidal swings also limit its use even at its deepest end as the tides move in and out. It is for this reason the FG in partnership with Cross River state is constructing a deep sea port in Duke Town as Calabar harbour that is even wider and deeper than any of your proposed river routes is not efficient in modern trade.

2. Resistance by Niger Delta states to this misadventure based on the very potent threat of sea water encroachment caused by such dredging is what has stalled the dredging in the first place.

3. Moving heavy container ships and oil tankers deep along these shallow river routes pose a future environmental disaster and blockade of inland ports if any of them run aground .

4. Your states have no powers nor resources to carry out such a project as it cuts across several states with waterways and shorelines along the route firmly in control of the Niger Delta states.

Are you going to forcibly dredge another man's backyard without his consent ?

5. The Federal govt has the final say on international shipping lanes within her territory . If the office of the Nigerian Security Adviser refuses to allow new shipping routes there is nothing you can do about it as international vessels will not be allowed access through these water ways.


Go school Una no go gree.

The level of illiteracy and arrogance combined in this thread is so tiring.

Let me school you ignoramuses.

1. Assuming the stupidity of Gidgiddy to be correct where he stated but did not quote a non existing UN charter that guarantees every nation access to the sea.

For starts , the Nigerian govt that has sovereignty over her coast and territorial waters will be the one to decide from which of their ports your goods pass through.

You can not dictate to someone else how to utilize his resources in a diplomatic negotiation.

If Nigeria insist that all cargo to and fro Biafra pass through Lagos port with a dry dock at Asaba crossing, then there is no way they will allow ships free access through their territory using the river route to your Biafran ports in places like Onistha .

2. If Nigeria agrees to you using these designated river routes, it will be heavily restricted to the kind of vessels that can pass through unless the rivers are dredged. Now this is where the wahala will start because those in the lower Niger Delta will resist this as they have been doing since it was first proposed in the late 90s over concerns of sea water encroachment into fresh water streams and loss of shoreline settlements along these streams.

Following on 2 above, the Nigerian govt can decide what kind of cargo can pass through these routes. For example you want to start drilling your oil for exports, the Nigerian govt can deny heavy tankers access through these rivers on environmental grounds and force you to pipe the oil and gas through a joint trans national pipeline from where the Nigerian govt will get a hefty commission.

So all you ignoramuses believing the highly deluded and greater ignoramus, gidgiddy need to go back and understand what you are discussing here.

Idiots

TheboyGhost:
He is here, a Yoruba fool always seeking for threads about Igbo and Ibo for your informative correction.

How you manage to sneak into Igbo threads and constitute nuisance amazes me.

Thank God you defined it as an Ibo thread and one I will define as one attempting to colonize sea fronts in the Delta.

This thread says a lot about you people and your unrelentless attempts at expanding into the Niger Delta.