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Ladies too should tread with wisdom. Don't jump on the neck of a man that may make you dissappear. Verify this person very well before making any move. Tell your relations where you're going before going there. Take pictures of the person and show everyone around.

OP, I wish you well but just as someone has told you above, you may get trapped with the wrong lady. Pray well before you leap.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2;8-9

"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men," Titus 2'11

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John 1:17

"Then, if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God had raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." Romans 10:9

Explore2xmore:
I had assumed you were jesting as you tend not to believe in Allah, Muhammad s.a.w or the Qu'ran.
Q2:97
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel should know that he revealed this ˹Quran˺ to your heart by Allah’s Will, confirming what came before it—a guide and good news for the believers.

I was offline till now.

No, he didn't confirm anything that came before him. Rather he denied them.

All the prophets that came before him prophesied of a Messaih who would be born from David's lineage, and who would be the Saviour of the world.

The Saviour came. He Performed his duties. He Fulfilled all the prophesies. Mohammed came to deny it all. I don't have any reason to believe in such a person. He does not carry a single mark of Prophethood. He told so many lies and distorted so much histories. His character was nothing to write home about.

There's no single prophet before him who killed people in order to force them to believe in his God.

Would you now show me how Mohammed and the said angel that visited him were verified?

Explore2xmore:
Never mind. It was to clarify since you wrote:

Okay, hope I've clarified?

You've not told me how Mohammed and the angel that visited him were verified.

Explore2xmore:
Interesting though, did a spiritual Jesus say:
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have

41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, Do you have anything here to eat? 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

A resurrected Jesus said so. He demonstrated in those passages that He resurrected with His physical body. If He didn't present His physical body, then He didn't resurrect. I spoke of a ressurected Jesus. Not a spiritual Jesus. However, the resurrected Jesus can operate spiritually because He is God in His Spirit but man in His body.

Truthday:
I've not seen anyone respond to Reno is Jesus was a christian or God or confirm if his name is truly jesus

How can Jesus be a Christian when He is the Christ? A Christian is a follower of Christ. Christ cannot be a follower of Himself.

Yes, Christ didn't create any religion. Christianity isn't a religion. It is a just a name for recognizing or identifying the followers of Christ. A true Christian is a disciple of Christ. Anyone who calls himself a Christian is deceiving himself if he's not a disciple of Christ.

Jesus is God. The same Creator God who put on human flesh in order to save man from Satan his enemy. Thomas exclaimed "My Lord and my God" when he saw the resurrected Jesus. The Bible says Jesus is the Word of God which has been from the beginning, and the Word was with God, and that Word was God. God and His Word are one. It was this Word that became Son when it was covered with flesh. We cannot start discussing spiritual mysteries right now.

If His name is not Jesus, why can't the foolish Reno tell us His real name? His name is Yeshua translated as Jesus in English which means Yahweh saves or Yahweh is Savior. The name was given Him by an angel before His birth.

Explore2xmore:
I updated my previous post.
A resurrected Jesus is not physically visible to many people by my understanding. Outside dining with the 11( I believe) apostles.

Christianity is not a religion of physical things. It is spiritual. Anytime you take a step of faith to invite Jesus into your life, He would manifest Himself to you.

Explore2xmore:
I was hoping you will share where Jesus appeared to 12 apostles and Paul or 11 since Judas is reported to have killed himself.


Ananias too is a later apostle of Jesus not mentioned amongst the original 12.

Remember too Peter or Cephas had denied Jesus thrice before in fear of the authorities I think. Paul or Saul is someone who was associated with the authorities in some way though a persecutor of Christians.

Yeah, Peter denied Jesus but after Christ's resurrection, He met Peter and restored Him.

Paul was a fierce persecutor of Christians. Hw was on his way to met out severe persecutions against Christians in Damascus when he encountered Jesus. That encounter was what changed Paul. No satan can make anyone to become a servant of Christ the way Paul was. Paul became a strong spiritual force against the forces of hell in his days. One can understand why satan would do everything to discredit him.

Explore2xmore:
I was hoping you will share where Jesus appeared to 12 apostles and Paul or 11 since Judas is reported to have killed himself.


Ananias too is a later apostle of Jesus not mentioned amongst the original 12.

The resurrected Jesus is who we Christians worship.

The resurrected Jesus is the One whom Thomas called "My Lord and my God", not the physical Jesus. That's where Islam misses it. An encounter with the physical Jesus without the resurrected Jesus cannot make you a Christian. The physical Jesus lived only 33yrs. The resurrected Jesus lives forever, and is alive today. He is the One whom Paul met. He is the one all Christians meet. He is the One who returns to reign.

Now, tell me how Mohammed's encounter with angel Gabriel was verified.

RelevantSolutio:
I've just responded to one of tenq's post.

Alright brother.

Liked and shared.

RelevantSolutio:
Liked, Shared and Followed.

I'll have Muslims to respond to your comment on whether "They Believe in The Holy Spirit or Not".


I want to believe that The Muslims are also very Spiritual People Who Get Spirited from The Source of Life.


They may not refer This Spiritism to be "Holy Spirit" - however.

There are several Muslims here on Nairaland who blaspheme the Holy Spirit on a regular basis. Foremost among them is a guy called antichristian. They do so because they do not believe in the Holy Spirit. Yeah, every religion has its own forms of spiritualism. The most important thing is to be able to shift the wheat from true chaffs.

To learn more about Muslims and their beliefs contrary to the falsehood they spread regarding the religion, you can check TenQ's post and that of Advocatejare. You would be stunned to see how much cover-up that religion has, as well as the deep seated deception in which its adherents have been plunged. You might want to start from the links below:

https://www.nairaland.com/tenq

https://www.nairaland.com/advocatejare

RelevantSolutio:
Liked, Shared and Followed.


I concur with you.


I am a Christian.



However, All you wrote doesn't mean that Many So-called Christians Tend To ABUSE The Substance of GRACE As They Hypocritically Commit Endangering Atrocities To Their Fellow Beings Whist Hiding Under The Pretence of Being Christians.




According To The Life Experience of Vanessa, She's clearly lived and observed that Much more Muslims are Not Pretenders and Evil Like Many Christians are.


Hence; She has been able to Feel The Holy Spirit Amidst The Muslim Brethrens that She Pray and Worship with - For Wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in The Harmony of Love and Understanding; HIS Presence is Always with Them.






I want to believe that you can resonate with what I've explained above ?

No brother, I do not concur with you, and this is why:

The concept of holiness is alien to Islam. They believe in good works but the said good works have a lot of human imperfections accompanying it.

Vanessa cannot be feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit amongst Muslims because the Muslims themselves don't believe in the Holy Spirit. And no, the Lord Jesus was the one who said "Wherever two or more are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them." The Holy Spirit does not come into a gathering that is not convened in Jesus' name.

However, I'm with you regarding the notion that some Christians see grace as a license for sins. If I were posting for a Christian audience, I would have made more clarifications while attenuating the fact that God Himself does the work through us when we yield and submit ourselves to be led by the Holy Spirit and not by fleshly desires (Romans 8:14). There's great repercussion for anyone who despises the Spirit of Grace and uses it as a cloak for licentious living.

A Christian is someone who has genuine encounters with Christ and has mortified the flesh to live according to the leading of the Spirit of God. A Christian is not necessarily someone who goes to church, preach behind a pulpit or bears a Christian name. The world finds it difficult to spot the difference.

AntiChristian:
1. Paul didn't meet Jesus.
2. Paul claimed he met a bright light which called itself Jesus.
3. Paul claimed in 2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light"
4. Paul wrote almost half of the new testament even more than the 11 disciples combined!

If you want to learn about Islam and Muhammad, go to Islamic section.

A brother of yours Explore2xmore wisely asked questions rather than put forward the false Islamic narrative they give you about Paul. I had initially told him that the Christians of Paul's days verified Paul's claims while nobody verified Mohammed's. He asked me for further clarifications about Paul, and I provided him the details below:

Please patiently read through. Also understand that Paul's real name was Saul. His name was changed to Paul sometimes after he became a Christian.

See, in Christianity, we're commanded to try all spirits. Except you're ignorant, it's very difficult for anyone to deceive Spirit-filled Christians. We're given the Holy Spirit who gives us discernment. If Paul lied, he'll be bursted. Elymas the soccerer couldn't succeed even though he tried all he could to make himself look like a Christian. Verification usually takes place before acceptance. Then, the Holy Spirit confirms that person. For Paul, this was how it happened:

After his encounter with Jesus, he was blinded and led by the hands into Damascus. Then, the Lord Jesus Himself spoke to one of the disciples in Damascus about Paul as seen below:

Acts 9:10-19

" 10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”

“Yes, Lord,” he answered.

11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”

13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said
“Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

Please, take note of the words in Italics. Paul wasn't the one who went about telling Christians about his encounter.

And, that wasn't even enough. Paul was rejected when he attempted to join the disciples in Jerusalem on his return from Damascus."


Then in Acts 9:26:

"When he came to Jerusalem, he tried repeatedly to associate with the disciples; and yet they were all afraid of him, as they did not believe that he was a disciple.'

It took the efforts of Barnabas, one of the top disciples to interrogate Paul and afterwards present him as a true disciple to those in Jerusalem. Upon verification of his Damascus encounter, the testimonies of the disciples in Damascus, the confirmation of Ananias and the recommendation of Barnabas, he was accepted under probation before he was later commissioned by the Holy Ghost to preach. He didn't push himself forward. A word of prophesy commissioned him and Barnabas to preach in Acts 13:2.

Before he was commissioned to preach, he was further verified. He himself submitted himself for further verification. It was a serious grilling. You can read the whole account in Galatians 2. Paul stated the results of the grilling in Galatians 2:9:

"James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised."

Note that the person called Cephas here is Peter.

Now, tell us how Mohammed's encounter with the said angel Gabriel was verified.

Explore2xmore:
School me on how the apostles verified this please? I really want to understand.

Please patiently read through. Also understand that Paul's real name was Saul. His name was changed to Paul sometimes after he became a Christian.

See, in Christianity, we're commanded to try all spirits. Except you're ignorant, it's very difficult for anyone to deceive Spirit-filled Christians. We're given the Holy Spirit who gives us discernment. If Paul lied, he'll be bursted. Elymas the soccerer couldn't succeed even though he tried all he could to make himself look like a Christian. Verification usually takes place before acceptance. Then, the Holy Spirit confirms that person. For Paul, this was how it happened:

After his encounter with Jesus, he was blinded and led by the hands into Damascus. Then, the Lord Jesus Himself spoke to one of the disciples in Damascus about Paul as seen below:

Acts 9:10-19

" 10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”

“Yes, Lord,” he answered.

11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”

13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said
“Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

Please, take note of the words in Italics. Paul wasn't the one who went about telling Christians about his encounter.

And, that wasn't even enough. Paul was rejected when he attempted to join the disciples in Jerusalem on his return from Damascus."


Then in Acts 9:26:

"When he came to Jerusalem, he tried repeatedly to associate with the disciples; and yet they were all afraid of him, as they did not believe that he was a disciple.'

It took the efforts of Barnabas, one of the top disciples to interrogate Paul and afterwards present him as a true disciple to those in Jerusalem. Upon verification of his Damascus encounter, the testimonies of the disciples in Damascus, the confirmation of Ananias and the recommendation of Barnabas, he was accepted under probation before he was later commissioned by the Holy Ghost to preach. He didn't push himself forward. A word of prophesy commissioned him and Barnabas to preach in Acts 13:2.

Before he was commissioned to preach, he was further verified. He himself submitted himself for further verification. It was a serious grilling. You can read the whole account in Galatians 2. Paul stated the results of the grilling in Galatians 2:9:

"James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised."

Note that the person called Cephas here is Peter.

Now, tell us how Mohammed's encounter with the said angel Gabriel was verified.

TenQ:
He says Qur'an 4:24 is not about Temporary marriage contrary to the statements in black and white narrative from two hadiths by Muslim 1404a and Bukhari 5075

It's not him. Actually, he doesn't know what he's doing himself. He's under the influence of the spirit of Islam.

TenQ:
He refused to answer my questions.

He has denied his hadiths now and want to turn Qur'an only!

Lol.

TenQ:
Muslims will throw Allah, the Qur'an and Mohammed under the bus to protect Islam by hook or crook: and they don't care a hoot about doing it!
No conscience!
The truth doesn't matter with them!

Their conscience is seared with hot iron. Their ultimate goal is to make allah and Mohammed look good. The fate of their own souls do not matter to them.

Explore2xmore:
And you rely on what neither Allah nor his prophet say muslims should refer to?

Perhaps it's a lot like Paul's encounter with Jesus pbuh after his passing that significantly controls the new testament.
What irrefutable proof is there that Paul indeed met Jesus? Did Jesus appear to the living apostles to affirm the status of Paul?

Paul's meeting of Jesus was first verified by the disciples of Jesus before he was finally accepted into the fold! Who verified the meeting of Mohammed with the said angel Gabriel? I really want an answer to this question.

Also, your Quran and your hadith are your holy books. Do you now want to deny your hadith because they're not the sayings of Allah and Mohammed? Are your hadith now filthy books?

Thirdly, keep your pbuh to yourself while referring to Christ. He is the Prince of Peace. He needs no such prayers. Mohammed needs such prayers as his fate was actually uncertain to him. He was even afraid to face death. Unfortunately for him, prayers don't work for the dead. Once you die, your fate is sealed.

TenQ:
Don't mind him.
If Al-Bukhari is comprehensive enough, why use

Sahih Muslim
Sunan an-Nasa'i
Sunan Abi Dawud
Jami` at-Tirmidhi
Sunan Ibn Majah
and several other hadith collectors?

His argument was that I should produce hadith from Bukhari or Muslim on drinking of Mohammed's urine rather than the hadith by Imam As-Suyyuti referenced below

Imam Suyyuti narrates an authentic report in his al-Khasaa’is al-Kubra, vol. 2, page 253 (published by Daar al-Kutub al-Arabiy — some other online editions have this narration in vol. 2, page 441):

That's how they do. In one breath they'll reverence their books as holy books, in another breath, they'll deny the same books whenever incriminating evidences stare them in the face. You'll quote from their Quran directly, they'll call you a liar. Very funny guys.

Explore2xmore:
Fortunately Tenq himself says what he uses in arguments are not comprehensive

It only means your religious books are not comprehensive if you unwittingly accept that position. He can only use what your religion presents to make his points.

Explore2xmore:
We are then free to conclude to not take Tenq seriously as his sources are not comprehensive in their hearsay reports.

Point to note is the hearsay status.

Tenq is simply a hearsay specialist and spreader

Meanwhile, you're unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that TenQ is a hearsay speaker. We have no reason to take you seriously.

Explore2xmore:
Interesting view. However The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” (Daniel 4:17).
Or you say this is a saying of old testatment.

Hope Tenq reads that only God can create life and understand. Jesus says in John 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Also John 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

The scriptures you're quiting don't correlate

God is a Creator. He gave Humans, angels and Satan a sub-creator ability. For instance, a man created Nairaland. Or was it God that created Nairaland? Satan created Islam. Not God, and I have shown you the main purpose for which he did that.

Satan is an intelligent being with whims and caprices. He has created many religions in order to confuse human beings regarding the true God. His major purpose on Earth is to take as many people as possible to hell, and to achieve that, he must work deceptively to make men reject Jesus the Saviour's sacrificial offering for their souls, or to make them believe He never died for their salvation.

Explore2xmore:
Your earlier reply quoted and point of interest bolded. Does Satan have the ability to create? This ability is only Allah's (the almighty). Saying another has this ability is equating him to almighty God.

Only God can create life. Humans, angels and Satan can create organizations, designs, fashions, weapons even new terminologies, technologies, religions, etc.

What we can't do is that we cannot create life. Only God can create life.

Explore2xmore:
I appreciate your response. Who knows the nairaland technology for bans in full detail.
Your letters are of very large font size.

You rightly wrote in agreement with the concept of words having different meanings dependent upon context of use. It seems you are more inclined to the negative verb or word forms which you will agree does not eliminate a positive meaning. Varied meanings of the noun form of ماكِر (Makir) are presented.

You stated yesterday that Allah was satan which indeed is extremely far from the truth however your Bible seems to clearly indicate an equivalence of the two.

In 2 Sam 24:1 it is written that the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah

Yet in 1 Chron 20:1 it reads Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Was it Satan or God that incited David and are they alter ego to each other?

I'l answer the biblical question you raised but I wouldn't want to digress on the topic being discussed.

I never said Allah was Satan. I only showed you a video that demonstrates how words were wrongly translated in the Quran. The content of that video wasn't my focus.

Now, let's take the word makir as an example. You can't give it a meaning it never has just because of the context in which it is used in the Quran. It can't have a different meaning in the Quran other than the meanings for which it is already know in the Arabic Dictionary. See it's meaning in the screenshot below.

Now, regarding the Bible verses you raised, please understand that the Old Testament was never intended as a religious book. It was written only as a book to record Israel's history as well as document the activities and gemology of Israelites, their kings and Prophets. They were later adopted as religious books because of the spiritual insights they give on how to walk with God. The main religious books are the 5 books of Moses also called the Torah.

Now, there are two recorders of same events in the verses you referenced. These two people wrote according to their understanding of what God is. In Hebrew theology, it is generally believed that both good and evil come from God. The writer who holds this ideology wrote that God did move David to number Israel. The other writer who holds a different ideology, wrote that Satan moved David to number Israel. So, the verses don't express God as being Satan or vice versa. The Bible was not written verbatim by God. God moved people to write, and while they did so, God did not take their understanding from them. That's why the Spirit of God dwells in us to give us the true message and gems of scripture. The letters of the Bible kill, it is the Spirit that gives life.

The above explanations do not hold for the Quran because the Quran claims to be the verbatim word of God.

Ajakaiye83:
Good evening.

I received some payment in USD on my Cardify virtual card and unfortunately the withdrawal button has been disenabled.

I need to convert the dollars to naira ASAP.
Please assist with a legal and verified means.

Why don't you contact their customer care?

chiagozien:
We Yoruba Muslims are 93% here.


So there's nothing you Christians can do.

The guy is Igbo. He's just trying to sow discord among Yorubas. He's not speaking for Yoruba Christians.

Explore2xmore:
This video is more straight forward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjTIN2Ipxw?si=UVUQk_b9v98roLN8

I actually replied you yesterday but bots banned me. I don't actually know why. I screenshot the post after I was banned. Please read my reply in the screenshots below:

Explore2xmore:
Fortunately you have a brain and an intellect. Perhaps these videos will further educate you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnFp-AlABwI?si=PKtcMzIEmU9CVPEq


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJDPXhK22o?si=ZEoPg1Xoy7RGA4nE

Yeah. The videos further buttress my points.