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[quote author=EMILO2STAY post=127026908]the scriptures of 2 thessalonians2 you just quoted even proves me right and you wrong.
it shows that the antichrist will come before the rapture and not after as you think.

the greek word used for "falling away" is apostasia. which means a departure from the true church or body of christ. here paul is saying the same thing as in 1 john 2:19 which reads "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." this is not some global event but it refers to a group of people who left the true body of christ and founded a corrupt one. this is also the reason why john said there are many antichrists
the book of daniel and revelation exposes the antichrist these scriptures agree with mathew 24 ,2 thessalonians and the book of john.

The antichrist would come before the rapture. There's nothing in my post that says he'll come after. 1John 2:19 is not talking about the apostasia of 2Thessalonioans 2. The apostasia Paul was talking about is an extended one corroborated with the sayings of Christ in Mathew 24 that "the love of many will wax cold." In 1John 2:19, there were a few people who left the church and created their own doctrines as I explained earlier. The apostasia Paul talked about is massive one expected to occur at the end time. There are many antichrists, yes but but they are not the antichrist.

the book of daniel and revelation exposes the antchrist as a system headed by a man, and the book of revelation exposes the antichrist as a woman drunk on the blood of the saints and also literraly interpretes the woman as the city that reigns over the kings of the earth , a city that sits on seven hills and this parallels the book of daniel 7 which shows the antichrist as a little horn which means a political kingdom also headed by a man.

You are confusing yourself and it seems you don't even understand what you're saying. At the bolded, you still came back to my position. The antichrist is not a system. He is the head of a system. He may be a Pope, probably the last Pope that would head the vatican before the close of this age. He is a man. Not a ssytem.

both symbols of a horn and a harlot in the book of daniel and revelation persecuted the saints and had control of the entire world and it population. both systems where also doomed to destruction so you are wrong to say it is not a system

there is no man who can do that without a political system or platform think mr think.

The woman drunk with the blood of the saints is not the antichrist. It is a system. Stop muddling things up for yourself. And who told you that the antichrist won't have a political system or platform? Your comment, asking me to think is unreasonable. The antichrist is the head of a political system conjoined with a religious system at the same time. However, while there are many antichrists, there is also The Antichrist. He emerges at the consummation of time. In the final end of all things.

obviously this is not a single man. although it is headed by a man at the top. and this is the man the bible refers to as the man of sin.

So why are you still arguing? You should admit your error for calling the antichrist a system. You keep contradicting yourself. I have said the antichrist is a man much bigger than mohammed, you came here to say it's false doctrine, and that the antichrist is a system and not a man. Now you're saying the antichrist is the head of a system, further affirming my earlier assertions. You seem confused.

every single characteristic of the antichrist described by both daniel and john has been met by the popes and the vatican. they changed the times and laws the calender you use today is known as the gregorian calender who is gregory? well it is pope gregory who changed it from the julian calender, they persecuted the saints, they have blasphemed God, they have claimed to be God on earth.[/quite]

The antichrist would come to do these on a greater scale. The Popes have not claimed to be God on earth. No one is worshipping them as God. The antichrist would be worshipped as god in his days.

the pope is literally sitting in the temple of God now. you are greatly wrong when you say the temple is literal, no! it is figurative. there is no passage of the bible that says another temple will be rebuilt. you are wrong.

The pope is not sitting in the temple of God. You're wrong. The temple he's sitting on in Rome is not the temple of God. The Israelites understand the temple of God to be Solomon's temple. God didn't confuse them with the use of the word :Temple.' The clearly understood what Daniel meant. They were not in error. No new testament writer sought to change that narrative because it's correct. You're interpolating. If you say the temple referred to here is spiritual, are you saying the pope sits in you? He does not sit in me!

Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you,
whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at
a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Acts 17:24 (KJV)
God who made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is
Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in TEMPLES MADE WITH
HANDS. acts 17:24. so why will God regard another temple whme christ has died and the temple disregarded and destroyed.

This is new testament temple of God. It was Daniel that made mention of the temple of God. That's an old testament prophecy with a literal interpretation. You mean the Pope would sit inside the people of God and rule as God?

[quote]the new testament temple is the body of christ which is the church.
and the pope is in the church calling himself the head of the christian faith. the pope is not the head ,christ is the head.
if you think that a second temple will be rebuilt so that the antichrist will go in there one day then you have been decieved. all that is actually a distraction from the vatican itself since they own the land of israel since the days of the crusades.

this is why christ have to be the high priest because he is in us through the holy spirit

if you miss the symbolical representation of prophecy you will miss the point.

Now, you see where you missed it. The pope claims to be the head of the church but he's not the head. The Bible didn't say the antichrist would claim to be the head. The Bible didn't say he'll make any claim but rather, he'll sit as God in the temple! Not just making claims. He'll literally promulgate himself as God. He'll force people to worship him. Has any pope done that?

the image of the beast is actually another nation and not a literal image that will be made. this image is the united states of america but that is a discussion for another day.
it is america who will enforce the mark of the beast. because the vatican founded and developed america, the american flag is actually the flag of a jeusit company and that country is the company of the vatcian. go find out. that is the reason why the white house is patrerned after saint Peters basilica. google it.[quote]All these conspiracy theorists. Even if the pope founded America as you claimed, that does not make America the image of the beast.

[quote]now concerning the revealing of the lawless one. even though paul used the word he. studies from daniel and reveltion shows this to be a system headed by a man. any man who assumes this position is the man of sin because this man is to come up at the fall of the roman empire untill the end of time.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
-- Daniel 7:21

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom
-daniel 7:22


do you see the above verse parrallels the book of 2 thessalonians?

obviously the little horn is a small political kingdom so this is talking about a system but headed by a person. same entity with revelation17:18 in that passage it is clearly revelaed to be a city.!/quote]

I have said the antichrist is a ma. Not a system.

[quote ]now concerning the restrainer , one part of scripture explains and gives more detail about what another scripture says. and this is true when we study the book of daniel, we see where the antichrist arose from. the little horn came up among the ten horn which are part of the fractured roman empire.
the restrainer has been for long interpreted as the holy spirit, this is not true. the bible never said that. paul told the early christians what the restrainer was. now lets go back and find out

Look at the words of TERTULLIAN 150ad. Quoting
Thessalonians, he says : ” Now ye know what detaineth that he might be revealed in
his time, for the mystery of iniquity doth already work ; only he who now hinders must
hinder until he be taken out of the way. What obstacle is there but the ROMAN STATE ;
the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce
antichrist, CHRYSOSTOM 347ad- ‘he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.’ That is, when the Roman empire is taken out of the way, then he shall come ; and naturally, for as long as the fear of this empire lasts, no one will readily exalt himself; but when that is dissolved, he will attack the anarchy, and endeavour to seize upon the government both of men and of God. For as the kingdoms before this were destroyed, that of the Medes by the Babylonians, that of the Babylonians by the Persians, that of the Persians by the Macedonians, that of the Macedonians by the Romans, so will this be by antichrist’, and he by Christ.

HIPPOLYTUS -on the great image and four wild beasts of Daniel : ” The golden
head of the image,” he says, “is identical with the lioness, by which the Babylonians were represented ; the shoulders and the arms of silver are the same with the bear, by which the Persians and Medes are meant ; the belly and thighs of brass are the leopard, by which the Greeks who ruled from Alexander onwards are intended ; the legs of iron are the dreadful and terrible beast, by which the Romans who hold the empire now are meant ; the toes of clay and iron are the ten horns which are to be;the one other little horn springing up in their midst is the antichrist


the above shows the belief of the early christians before this doctrine was corrupted by the vatican through their jesuits.


the book of daniel shows us where and how the antichrist sprung out from and this is the fourth beast which is the roman empire of which without its fall the little horn or the antichrist would it have sprung up to persecute the saints of God through the inquisition. if you think that the restrainer is the Christians or the holy spirit then you are wrong.

the antichrist has already decieved the world with lying wonders go research the apearance of fatima in Turkey. nevertheless more of that holographic appearance will still be use to stage a final deception.

the bible never said the antichrist will make peace in israel. the peace and safety refers to world wide peace treaty after a world wide catastrophic event in other to usher in the mark of the beast. this event is known as the great tribulation of which christ will come immediately after to render destruction upon the earth.

In few words:

1. The scriptures say "He who hinders will hinder until he be taken out of the way." If it were the Roman empire as you claim, there's nothing stopping Paul from saying "That, which hinders would hinder until it be taken out of the way." The word 'He' as used in the verse was not a mistake.

The appearance of Fatimo does not make the whole world to follow after the pope or worship him. Does it?

The Popes as well as many other figures in history have fulfilled a fractional part of the antichrist prophecies. This does not make them the antichrist. When the antichrist comes, he would fulfil all his prophecy to the letter. So much so that there'll be no need to argue because it would be very clear.

[quote author=EMILO2STAY post=127027159]

you are wrong. the roman empire fell in 476 amd the popes where granted state power in 538 by justinian hence the rise of the antichrist who revealed himself by the persecution of the saints.after the fall of the roman empire so you wrong here.

Absolutely wrong. Ever before the fall of Rome, the papacy had gained a lot of political power so much so that the Popes were more respected than the Emperors. After Rome fell, the popes were granted significant temporal state power with the Donation of Pepin in 756 AD. This donation was a formal grant by Pepin the Short, the King of the Franks, to Pope Stephen II, providing the Pope with territories in central Italy. The donated lands formed the basis of the Papal States, a political entity directly governed by the Pope.

The Donation of Pepin was later reaffirmed by Charlemagne, Pepin's son, who expanded the territories of the Papal States. The Pope's temporal authority over these lands continued for many centuries, and the Papal States played a crucial role in the political landscape of medieval Italy.

It's worth noting that the popes' control over the Papal States persisted until the 19th century when the Italian unification process led to the capture of Rome by Italian forces in 1870. This event marked the end of the temporal power of the popes, and the Papal States were gradually incorporated into the newly unified Kingdom of Italy. The Lateran Treaty of 1929, between the Holy See and the Kingdom of Italy, established the Vatican City as an independent city-state, ensuring the continued sovereignty of the Pope within its borders.

the bible says the image of the beast cause all both small and great to recieve a mark. in bible prophecy the symbolical representation of a beast is a kingdom or political nation so the image of the beast must be a poilitical nation resembling th first beast which is actually a political nation. so this is not talking of a single man that came out of no where so you are also wrong here

you say the pope does not have any global power? now I know how naive you are. the roman empire was the strongest kingdom on earth in its time and this empire gave that power to the catholic church through justinains decree and constantine who literaly left rome to constantinople in turkey. leaving the popes to control what was left of the roman kingdom. you need history
the popes controlled the world and the kings of this world untill napoleon arrested him in 1798.

in 1929 they where given the state power napoleon took from them.

the popes run the world through their networks of jesuits. the sinking of the titanic, the first world war, the second world war, the killing of abraham lincoln and jfk the assasination plot of king james of england, the great depression of 1929 was all the handy work of the jesuits. every thing you see today happening is run and controlled by the vatican through the jesuits. the foumder of the jesuit is ignatius of loyola he was actually a member of the spanish alumbrados which you call illuminati today. adam weishaupt the founder of the modern day illuminati is a jesuit and a proffesor of the canon law of the catholic church. I can go on and on but let me stop here .

the antichrist is not just a man but a system headed and succeeded by men otherwise it would not fulfill the prophecy of daniel, Thessalonians and revelation.

You are relating the history of a system that has not been disputed by me. There is a system and there is a man. The man of Sin. The antichrist. Satan's own christ. I mean the counterfeit christ. His number is 666. The Bible says it is the number of a man."

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six." Revelation 13:18

Not the number of a system or the number of some men. The system will produce the man. There is nothing in Bible prophecy that identifies the antichrist as a system. In all Eschatology, the antichrist is a man. A ruler that shall come forth in the very last days. You focus on the system and lose sight of the man that shall emerge from the system.

EMILO2STAY:
FxMasterz .

you still do not understand. the man occupying the position as at the time of the second coming of christ is the son of perdition. thats is the one destined for destruction. also there is actually no difference between antichrist and antichrists because john said they came out of us but where not of us. in other words this antichrist is a system , an organistion. you should understand it is more about a system and not the person. have you checked the numerical equivalent of vicarious filli die?

Yes. The man at the help of the affairs of the works at Christ's second coming is the antichrist.

1 John 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they
would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be
made manifest that they were not all of us.

from the above you can see that john refers to the antichrist as "they"....

No, John did not refer to the antichrist as they. Rather, John was talking about brethren who left the church to go and propagate strange doctrines. These brethren said Christ never died for sins. They also said the laws of Moses and all the old testament rites must be observed. John called them antichrists and said "the spirit of the antichrist is already at work." Surprisingly this people were not part of the papacy whom you called the antichrist.

also you will notice that in the book of thessalonians the antichrist was already here before christ came.

Are you saying the antichrist was already here before Christ was born? No. There can't be an antichrist before the real Christ.

If you meant that the antichrist was here before Christ's second coming, then yes. He'll be ruling the world in a one world government.

[quotethis is in agreement with the book of daniel 7:21-22. but according to the theory you hold it is not so. and also paul said that the apostasy/ falling away must happen for the antichrist to be revealed. this apostasy is what john too is talking about. the bible is in agreement with it self. because the antichrist came out of the christian church but did not behave like the true church and the restrainer which is the roman empire crumbled in other for the roman catholic church to come to power hence the revealling of the antichrist.

Yes, there'll be a falling away, an apostasy. The Roman Empire wasn't the restrainer. Infact the Roman Empire begat the Roman Catholic church and prepared the ground for the emergence of the papacy. The papacy already existed before the fall of the Roman Empire.

do you think a single man will just come out of no where and start rulling the world?

Yes. He'll institute one world currency and cause everyone to have his mark 666. Otherwise no one would be able to buy or sell.

for any man to have any kind of political influence and power then tthey have to occupy a political office. if you are not seeing it this way then you are childish in reasoning.the pope is both a monarch, a head of state like a president and the bishop is all bishops. above arrest ,above prosecution no man is more powerful than the popes. presidents even kiss his hand and feet. open your eyes.

The pope does not have global power. He's respected but has not authority over any nation. His authority dies not go beyond the Vatican. The antichrist has global power and would cause everyone everywhere to receive his mark. They'll not be able to buy or sell without it.

in the book of daniel seven we see ten nations represented as horns arising from the fourth beast. among them a little horn which is a little nation .

there is no nation without a figure head or ruler. this is same with the little horn and it is signified by daniel as having eyes and mouth of a man. this goes to show that there is a man in some sort of prominent way in that little nation. this
little nation arose at the fall of the roman empire and is to continue till the coming of christ.[,/quote]

There are different theories regarding the 10 nations and the little horn. The Antichrist can emerge from the papacy but the papacy is not the antichrist. Also, the antichrist is a distinct individual. Not a system.

now let me ask you do you think that the man described by daniel in the little horn will live on from the time of the fall of the roman empire till the end of the world when christ will come? yet the bible said the same horn made war with the saints untill christ came. the same horn blasphamed God and changed the times and laws. you think all these will be done in the future? no! it has been done already by the popes go find out.

the bible said the same horn that arose at the fall of the roman empire is the same horn that persecuted the saints and is the same horn that was destroyed by christ at his cominng so tell me who will live that long? notice the bible refers to the horn which is a little nation but headed by a man. so it has to be an office or a position which has to be succeeded by men for the prophecy to come to pass

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Where you missed it is that you couldn't differentiate the system that produces the Antichrist from the antichrist himself.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
-- Daniel 7:21

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
-- Daniel 7:22


this same little horn in the book of daniel 7 is what john the revelator also revealed but with a different symbolic representation as the LovePeddler of babylon drunk with the blood of the saints, who rides the beast.

The antichrist is man. Not a system. Get that right. A system would produce.him but he's distinct from that system. He's an individual.

EMILO2STAY:
FxMasterz .


you still do not understand. the man occupying the position as at the time of the second coming of christ is the son of perdition. thats is the one destined for destruction. also there is actually no difference between antichrist and antichrists because john said they came out of us but where not of us. in other words this antichrist is a system , an organistion. you should understand it is more about a system and not the person. have you checked the numerical equivalent of vicarious filli die?

1 John 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they
would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be
made manifest that they were not all of us.

from the above you can see that john refers to the antichrist as "they"....

also you will notice that in the book of thessalonians the antichrist was already here before christ came. this is in agreement with the book of daniel 7:21-22. but according to the theory you hold it is not so. and also paul said that the apostasy/ falling away must happen for the antichrist to be revealed. this apostasy is what john too is talking about. the bible is in agreement with it self. because the antichrist came out of the christian church but did not behave like the true church and the restrainer which is the roman empire crumbled in other for the roman catholic church to come to power hence the revealling of the antichrist.

do you think a single man will just come out of no where and start rulling the world?

for any man to have any kind of political influence and power then tthey have to occupy a political office. if you are not seeing it this way then you are childish in reasoning.the pope is both a monarch, a head of state like a president and the bishop is all bishops. above arrest ,above prosecution no man is more powerful than the popes. presidents even kiss his hand and feet. open your eyes.

in the book of daniel seven we see ten nations represented as horns arising from the fourth beast. among them a little horn which is a little nation .

there is no nation without a figure head or ruler. this is same with the little horn and it is signified by daniel as having eyes and mouth of a man. this goes to show that there is a man in some sort of prominent way in that little nation. this
little nation arose at the fall of the roman empire and is to continue till the coming of christ.

now let me ask you do you think that the man described by daniel in the little horn will live on from the time of the fall of the roman empire till the end of the world when christ will come? yet the bible said the same horn made war with the saints untill christ came. the same horn blasphamed God and changed the times and laws. you think all these will be done in the future? no! it has been done already by the popes go find out.


the bible said the same horn that arose at the fall of the roman empire is the same horn that persecuted the saints and is the same horn that was destroyed by christ at his cominng so tell me who will live that long?
notice the bible refers to the horn which is a little nation but headed by a man. so it has to be an office or a position which has to be succeeded by men for the prophecy to come to pass.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
-- Daniel 7:21

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
-- Daniel 7:22


this same little horn in the book of daniel 7 is what john the revelator also revealed but with a different symbolic representation as the LovePeddler of babylon drunk with the blood of the saints, who rides the beast.

Now, let's look at the scriptures together for clarity. The scriptures are clear regarding the doctrine of the antichrist, I find it really unsettling that someone is misinterpreting the whole thing and ascribing some super-knowledge unto himself.

Let's look at the Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians.

2Thessalonians 2

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

Summary
Don't fret whenever you're told that Jesus can come any moment, has come or is coming soon.

The following verses tell us why:

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

Summary
Jesus would not come until there's a great apostasy. The falling away. Jesus said in Mathew 24 that the love of many would wax cold.
There'll be serious spiritual lukewarmness enveloping the church, then in the midst of that global apostasy, a certain man is revealed or exposed or made known. This man is doomed for destruction. This is not a system. It's a man. All the systems of the world are doomed for destruction. So, there's no point in singling out a system as being doomed for destruction. We'll see further below that this is a man, not a system.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

[b,] Explanation[/b]
He will exalt himself over EVERYTHING that's called God. Not just the Christian God. He'll claim to be over all.gods. in the book of Revelation, he'll cause the whole world to bow to his image in worship. Revelation 13:15. He would sit as god in God's Temple. This is 100% literal. He'll declare himself a god, and infact, the only god in the temple in Jerusalem. I find it amusing that you said the temple in question is our body which truly is the temple of the living God. The devil cannot sit as god in the temple of any child of God, neither can a Pope. The temple referred to here is a physical temple.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

Summary
Something is holding him back. He'll be exposed at the proper time. He'll be made known at the appointed time. A system is an 'It', a person is a 'he'. He'll be revealed. Not 'it would be revealed.' This isn't a system.


7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

Summary
The system of the antichrist. The spirit of the antichrist. The power of the antichrist is already at work. The antichrist spirit is already in the world. It was in the world even in Paul's days. The system is eager to produce the man of lawlessness but there's Someone holding back the system. Once the Person holding back the system is removed from the scene, then the lawless one will be revealed - The antichrist. The Lord will destroy him by the Brightness of His Coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

Summary
The lawless one would deceive the whole world through lying signs and wonders and lying miracles. The first miracle is that he'll bring peace to the Middle East. The peace would however be short-lived. Paul went further to say "When they shall say peace and safety (in the Middle East), then sudden destruction would come upon them." As part of his lying miracles, he would erect an image of himself. This image would become animated and begin to speak, and force everyone to bow in worship to him. Revelation 13:15.

Now, let me dissect your post above.

advocatejare:
I’m enjoying the submission of the two of you!

It’s highly educating

Thank you brother. Remain blessed in Jesus name.

EMILO2STAY:
you clearly have not sudied your bible. the popes have a title it is known as "vicarious fili dei" go find out the numerical equivalent of that word.

of course the bible calls him the man of sin. the man of sin is that same as the little hrn with eyes and mouth of a man in the book of daniel. a horn represents a political entity or kingdom the significance of the eyes and mouth in that little horn is that the little kingdom has a man sitted in great positon with authority.

clearly you have not studied the bible when it comes to the issue of the antichrist ,when you do ,you will discover that it fits no other than the vatican.

in case you dont know the vatican has been running the world since 538AD untill now.

My brother. We're not talking about antichrists but the antichrist?

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the brightness of His coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:.

We're talking about the lawless one and not the lawless ones.

EMILO2STAY:
that is where you are wrong. the antichrist is not just one person as the bible says there are many antichrist. also the bible said they came out of us but where not part of us.
see the fact of the matter is that this anitchrist position has more to do with the position and not the person. its an office , a system occupied/ governed by a person or a man symbolized by the eyes and mouth of that little but stout horn of daniel 7. that is why they have to exist from the fall of the roman empire untill the second coming of christ. the last man standing in that office when christ comes is that man of sin who will be destroyed by christ himself. read the book of revelation about the woman riding a beast. this woman is referring to the system / the entity run by the antichrist which is the vatican. the bible also said that the woman is that great city which sits on seven hills. lo and behold the vatican city state literally sits on seven hills. and one of the hills is called capitol hill which the white house of the usa government is named after. america is actually the lamb like beast that arose from the earth. let me stop here .

but I am looking forward to engage you properly tomorrow.

You're muddling things up and confusing yourself!

The Bible clearly calls him the man of sin, gave his number as the number of a man - 666, told us clearly that he'll head a one world government and several other prophecies like that. Why are you turning the script I upside down? I'll find time for you today. I'll be back.

EmekaStanley:
I just saw a video of Pa Adeboye testifying that God paused winter for his sake in the US because he has issues with cold, and that about 2 hours after he left, everywhere was covered with snow.

Well, as expected there were comments, including from 'Christians' making mockery of the testimony. The reality is that 'wetin person no know or experienced pass am'. There is nothing God cannot do to preserve those who love him.

I was not there when this happened so I cannot attest to it or doubt that it happened but from experience, there is absolutely nothing God can't do, including what he testified.

Many years ago, I stayed with an uncle in a 3 bedroom apartment. For some reason, I had to share a room with his younger sister who was elderly to me.

So this meant that I set boundaries for myself; I had limits to things I chose not to do so I don't have any kind of issues with her, including turning on/off the air conditioner in the room whenever she is around.

On a fateful day, I was feeling slightly feverish, and the Air conditioner was on. I couldn't put it off or ask her to put it off because she needed it after the day's hustle.

When it was time to retire for the night, with the AC blowing at 16 degrees Celsius and room chilled, I didn't know what to do.

I went inside the room, I silently prayed to God that I wanted the air conditioner to blow hot air so that I can be warm and sleep well. I curled myself together and slept off.

I woke up few hours later sweaty and warm and the air conditioner was still on. I looked at my Aunty, she was still covered with the blanket.

What I cannot tell is how I was sweaty when the AC was still on, and someone in the same room was wrapped with blanket.

The point is, there is nothing too difficult for God to do, in his own ways.

Unless you have great discernment to spot lies in testimonies, don't doubt the testimonies of people no matter how impossible they may sound or appear.

Being impossible in your own understanding doesn't mean the same with God.

God parted the red sea for the Israelites to cross over. It sounds unbelievable but early videos of Ron Wyatt exploring that area found evidence that this happened.

Summarily, there is nothing impossible for God. Period.


ES

God bless you brother. I would share an unbelievable testimony I have always kept to myself because people would never believe it if you share it with them.

The year was 1988. I was home from school. It was during the Holidays. My dad had just resigned from his job to float a business jointly with my mum at the time. Dad left money for the home one of those days and travelled. He kept longer than expected on the journey. The money he left us finished and there was nothing for us to live on anymore. We prepared the last meal for the home that morning and set out with mum to the business place.

My sister, the last born was still young at the time, so mum used to arrange foods for her in a plastic basket whenever we were going to the business office. I was the one who cleaned and tidied the basket that morning before arranging food inside it. Then, we set off. As I said, we prepared the last meal that morning and there was no hope for the afternoon. We just became Christians a few years back. We were formally freethinkers after dad abandoned Islam. When we asked mum how we go take chop for the rest of the days, she replied "God will provide."

We got to the office and set to work. Around 9am when my sister said she'll like to eat, we offloaded her food from the basket to give to.her, only to find ₦30 at the base of the basket after packing out the foods. 3 ₦10 new notes. Mints. ₦30 was not small money in 1988. Till today, nobody can explain how that ₦30 got there. We were all dumbfounded that morning and knew it can only be God.

God is infinite. Nothing can limit Him. When He decides to act, He doesn't have 'impossibility' in His dictionary.

Pastor Adeboye's testimony is true. He can't share such a testimony in falsehood. There are Canadian witnesses before whom his credibility may be called to question if he had shared the testimony in deceit.

Pastor E.A Adeboye is not an ordinary man. You need to visit Redemption Camp in Lagos to know more about him. The level of supernatural manifestations in his life is beyond ordinary. Don't take my word for it. Go and verify. You don't know why all men of God in Nigeria and outside respect him. He doesn't shout or make noise. This testimony he shared was shared during a sermon in the church. It was not given to pressmen. You wouldn't have heard anything if it was not relevant to the sermon he was preaching. He didn't share it to brag.

EMILO2STAY:
it the same thing, 7years of tribulation is same as 7 years of covenant with israel. neither is found in the bible . and yes I am actually puffed up because I kbpw what I am talking about, I can only boast in these and nothing else.

for your info there is nothing happening in the middle east that concerns the antichrist and his emergence. if you doubt me prove it with scripture.

the antichrist has already emerge sinceover 1700years ago.

the four beasts represent four world powers that will emerge starting from babylon. as at the time of this prophecy daniel was in babylon which is the most powerful nation as at that time. then after babylon the medo persians overthrew the kingdom of babylon to become the world power. after medo persia came greece and after greece came the roman empire which where in power as at the time of christ.

is rome still standing today? you know the answer.

looking at daniels prophecy about the fourth kingsom which is rome. indeed the fourth kingdom scattered into ten different kingdoms. which are in europe today. and among these ten european kingdoms came a small but powerful kingdom in there midst. it came last but very powerful that kingdom is no other than the vatican city state.

the vatican rose to power at the fall of the roman empire when constantine the left rome and handed over control of rome to the popes. this era marked the start of the holy roman empire controlled by the popes.

the popes has blasphemed God and claimed to be God on earth , am sure this is not new to you. plus the vatican through its inquisition has persecuted the saints of God for over 1000years and will still do so. the world you amd I live in is owned and controlled by the vatican. the popes is the very man of sin whom christ will destroy with the breath of his mouth.

pls go read the book of daniel and then do your research

Tomorrow, I'll engage you comprehensively as I need to go to bed right now. But, for now, you need to understand that while the antichrist is a singular entity who heads a one world government, the papacy has seen several popes since the the Roman Catholic church was founded. While the Popes are indeed antichrists, they are not the antichrist because the antichrist is one person - a man. The man (not the men) of sin.

EMILO2STAY:
lol funny you. you have believed a wrong doctrine. to start with where did the bible mention a seven year tribulation?.

now to inform you, the book of daniel starting from chapter 7 revealed the truth about the antichrist and where he will emerge from.

in daniels vision he saw four beast which represent babylon ,medo persia, greece and rome. rome beeing the fourth kingdom scattered into ten kingdom represented by the seven horns and among these seven horns came up a litttle horn with the eyes and mouth of a man. these little horn blasphemed God and persecuted the saint untill christ came and destroyed him. these events chronicled by daniel has already played out in reality remaining just the final persecution of the saints and the return of christ.

these events are the same thing john the revelator spoke about in the book of revelation abouth the beast that rose out of the sea and the woman riding a dragon are one and same antichrist entity.

now concerning the things you listed every thing there is wrong. the new testament temple is the body and not a physical place.
daniels 70weeks prophecy has been fulfilled at the destruction of jerusalem the abomination of desolation is idolatry. there is no single passage in the bible that says antichrist is making a covenant. go read your bible.


but if you still doubt me I can school you more.

First, I never mentioned a 7yr tribulation. So I don't know the source of that question of yours.

Would you please prove that the events surrounding the emergence of the little horn which blasphemed God have already played out in reality?

This doctrines you hold are unbalanced and false. You need to explain yourself with relevant scriptural and historical references. There's still no peace in the middle east as we speak. Perhaps you don't know that one of the major marks for identifying the antichrist is that he'll bring peace to to the Palestinian conflict. You're studying the Bible alone without allowing yourself to be taught. You can't be a lone ranger in these things. School me? You're puffed up.

EMILO2STAY:
this is false. the beast has since emerged and the antichrist which is one of the ten horns has already emerged. the next thing to follow is the great tribulation after which christ will descend. there is no where in the bible where antichrist is making a covenant with israel that is a false doctrine.

You're the one peddling a false doctrine. You need to prove your strange doctrine by the scriptures. I'll be open to that. There's no eschatological foundations for any doctrine that says the Beast has emerged.

Where are the two prophets that stand as witnesses before the God of the whole earth? Where is the Temple in Jerusalem where the antichrist would make a 7yr covenant with Israel? Has that temple even be built? Where's the abomination that maketh desolate? Does the antichrist now rule the whole world? Is the mark of the beast 666 now in effect? Are we now in the last week of Daniels 70 weeks? All that I just listed are contemporary events with the antichrist. Now, prove your doctrine. I'll be willing to hear you.

AntiChristian:
Same thing!
Your gods too are deceivers too!

Why is it difficult for your holy spirit to accept

My gods too? I have no gods!

And speak for your god okay? There's no same thing. Your god says he's a deceiver. Deal with that. Don't drag my God into it saying my God too.. it's your god who's a deceiver. Not mine. Thanks though for now confessing the truth about your false god.

AntiChristian:
Your interpreters too couldn't be telling lies too!

Deal with that!

They're not my interpreters. They're islamic interpreters. Even wikilslam interpreted it as "Allah is the best of deceivers." Look at the screenshot again. I reattached it.

Your chosen Interpreters, in order to hide the truth, deliberately mistranslated the verse to say '"Allah is the best of schemers." Meanwhile, there's no Arabic dictionary in the world where Al-makr is translated to mean scheme.

AntiChristian:
Since you accept this post here you should accept mine too!

But you're simply a hypocrite!

A Christian liar and supporter of lies!

I didn't accept this post completely. I made my objections known in the spirit of honesty. Can you ever do that?Where is yours? You never said anything but lies. Lies upon lies. Can't you see? Is Al-makr not deception? You couldn't even defend it. Does calling us liars make us one if when we have not lied? We called you a liar with proofs. You brought scriptures verses out deceptively, you were exposed! You claimed Israel was an aggressor against Palestinians,you were exposed! You claimed Israel is a land grabber, you were exposed! You claimed my brother misinterpreted Al-makr, you were exposed. I've attached the screenshot again with several Arabic dictionaries telling you that Al-makr means deception! Can't you see or can you not read? All 10 Arabic dictionaries cannot be liars!

AntiChristian:
I knew you will shift the goal post you said I shouldn't shift! You'll have excuses for everything but Muslims shouldn't have excuses as they don't have one as you have the Hollywood spirit!

When you mistranslated and misinterpreted our text it is not hypocrisy! When your Christian friend lied it was a misunderstanding!

Only Muslims are liars!

Anyone seeing this thread will immediately accept Jesus as Lord and saviour that can't save LIARS!

Thread of Hypocrites and ignoramuses!

Which goal post did I shift? Which excuses did I give? Where is the misinterpretation I gave? I even supported my stand on Al-makr with screenshots. Why are you guys so deceptive and earnestly allergic to truth. I have uploaded again the screenshot for the translation of Al-makr. What's really happening with you? My brother made an post and accepted correction after I pointed things out ti him, you insisted he's a liar ? What lie did he tell? Are you not truly an antichrist? You lifted verses out of scripture without explaining their context because you wanted them to say what those verses didn't say and I exposed your devilry. Is that hypocrisy? Is it that you hate truth this much? Some people don't want heaven. They deliberately chose hell for themselves. Am I concerned whether someone reading this becomes a Christian or not. Proselytization is the obsession of Islam because hell is the goal. I want people to make heaven! I want people to know that Jesus Christ is real! I want people to escape the torment of hell! I want people to know God! I want people to come to the knowledge of the truth! I want them to be saved! It doesn't matter whether they profess religion or not. What matters is that, they're heavens gain and hell's loss. I would not deceive people to think that Al-makr means something else when it most certainly meant deception.

AntiChristian:
Okay I won't shift any post, you too don't shift the goal post below!

This shows that you're very devilish. Instead of you to tackle the obvious exposure of Allah as deceiver by the tranlation of Al-makr as deception from several Arabic dictionaries, you decided to cover up by lying against the God of the Bible.

You've brought up these lies several times before in some of your antichrist threads, and each time, you were shown to be a liar. You abandoned those threads and ran away. You can only repeat the lies here just because you're the son of your father Satan - the deceiver, aka Allah.

Even the scripture.where Jeremiah thought God lied because some false prophets were prophesying falsehood in God's name saying Jerusalem shall not be destroyed. Meanwhile God told jeremiah that Jerusalem shall be destroyed. Jeremiah upon hearing that was asking God why He deceived the people through those prophets, and God told him 'I didn't send them. They sent themselves.' You now lifted it out of context to say only what jeremiah said without pointing out exactly what happened because you wanted to lie against the Almighty God. You're just doing the work of your Father , the deceiver.

I wouldn't discuss all those other scriptures you lifted out of context. I already exposed your satanic mission. Would you show me clearly where the Almighty God called Himself the deceiver like Allah did call himself?

AntiChristian:
Od course you will most likely. It's not today you guys have been mentioning taqqiya about Muslims!

And your bro mentioned in his post that Allah is a deceiver.

Did he asked for clarification before making the post?
He made the post based on the falsehood you call misunderstanding...

Allah is the truth wallah!

You're only friends to yourselves!

Are you trying to shift the goalposts?

Why do you love deception so much? My bro didn't make any mistake in calling Allah a Deceiver. Allah himself called himself so.

Al-makr in Arabic translates to what again? Do you want to change the meaning of the word?

AntiChristian:
I have posted a video link where I watched Joe Biden say they funded Isreal to be in that place strategically with $3bilion!

Israel wasn't supposed to be there!
After WWII, they were rejected in France, everywhere! They had to settle them in between the Arabs.

And Palestinians accepted them but they kept occupying more lands and fighting them since they've got the support of god USA and most of NATO!

Stop lying. Palestinians never accepted them. They've been enemies of even the local Jews from day 1. Jews have always been in the area, just that they were very few because of the dispersion. The area is Jewish land. Even the Alaqsa mosque in the area was built on the ancient site of Solomon's temple. The place called Jerusalem is known throughout history as a Jewish state. What are you talking?

AntiChristian:
If your Christ can pull people why blame me?
I don't need to understand but the truth is that you are a supporter of lies. A hater of truth!

Lies are understood as misunderstandings just because the culprit is a Christian!

You're now coming out of your shel. If you were the one who misunderstood, should I call you a liar just because you're a Muslim? You see how blindfolded you are by your false religion? I would not call you a liar if you asked for clarity and accepted correction. You just proved that you're dishonest.

I'm not blaming you for anything. Would you point out the blame? I'm only calling you.who you are- antichrist.

AntiChristian:
You lack knowledge and holy spirit! Hama is a political force accepted by Palestinians because of the brutality of the Zionists Israel.

Israel has been terrorising Palestine for over 75 years! So even if Hamas respond it's just a microcosm of what Isreal has done!

It seems you just learnt about Hamas from October 7 just as you learnt about 9/11 and Osama when it happened!

Even the main Jews aren't in support of Israel!
You're a Zionist Christian!

Hamas is the political administrator of Palestine. There have been conflicts in the area from time to time. Israelites have died due to Palestinian assaults. Palestinians have died due to Israẹli assaults. Lives have been lost on both sides. Stop watching Aljazeera alone.

Hamas attack on the 7th of October was unprecedented. I can't blame them. They wanted war with their perceived enemies so they triggered it. Therefore, let them fight. You can't expect Israel to be praising Hamas for what they did.

AntiChristian:
Cordial relationship? Just because you do miracles?
You're the biggest Ewu here!

Infact! The first two words in Galatians 3:1 should be reserved specifically and specially for you!

How can I prevent people from coming to Christ, does that mean I'm more powerful than Christ as he can pull the people he wants to himself?

I'm talking about your actions and intentions. You work to prevent people from coming to Christ, yes, but Christ continues to pull people unto Himself even in chronic islamic countries.

Miracles are never the yardstick for measuring closeness with Christ. You didn't get it. You don't know Him. How can you understand?

AntiChristian:
Israel too burn down churches and killed Christians but you still supported them instead of calling them Terrorists!

Meshionu! Who are you to judge?

The more reason I'm antichristian and not antichrist!
Christ will have to deny Christians when he comes!

You guys are a series of cancer!

Christ can't deny His disciples. You don't get it.

Israel isn't a terrorist nation because they were not the aggressor
If Hamas has not attacked them and brutally killed over 1000 people, there'll be no war in Gaza today.

Hamas has it as part of the many clauses in their constitution to continue fighting Israel until they wipe the nation off the earth. Now, tell me what you'll do to Hamas if you were an Israelite.

Muslims never stand on the parth of justice. They're blinded by religion. If Israel was the first aggressor who attacked Palestine like Hamas did on the 7th of October, no Christian would support such action.

AntiChristian:
Meshionu, Anuofia!

Quote Bible verse that calls everyone antichrist like this!

Na so Jesus will come and deny all of you liars, wolves in sheep's clothing!

You quote the Bible to insult me but prevent people from coming to the knowledge of God through the Bible by lying that the Bible has been rewritten? Can't you see your hypocrisy? If Christ would deny me, He wouldn't have a cordial relationship with me as He does today.

AntiChristian:
I'm the mischievous liaright? When someone opened a thread based on falsehood and you still support the falsehood without evidence from your Bible!

May you be judged as you judged me!
It's not a curse but Matthew 7:1-2 which you believe in.

Now State your evidences for small and big antichrists now you're ranting and wailing!

Do we have to open the Bible before we know the antichrists? Do we not know the people who burn churches and blaspheme the Holy Ghost? Do we not know those who make void the sacrifice or Christ by saying He didn't die for sins? Do we not know the fellow in whom the spirit of the antichrist dwells who goes by the monicker antichristian on this forum? Come off it man.

AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible did Jesus mentioned small and big antichrist? I will like to see Islam as small antichrist in the Bible! I will like to see Allah and Muhammad there too.

“Do not judge, or you will be judged. For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:1

I knew you will do a mental gymnastic here!
If he was a Muslim you'll call that taqqiya!

But now he's your friend you call it a misunderstanding!

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. Revelations 21:8

Thats the reason all terrorists need to be Muslims!
All Christian terrorists are sick and need rehabilitation!

Your Ignorance is legendary. You're a small antichrist because you hate anything that has to do with Christ and His followers. You even blaspheme the Holy Spirit on a daily basis. Meanwhile the Holy Spirit is the very anointing that makes Jesus the Christ. There's a bigger antichrist than you in the future. He'll attack everything that is called God and do wickedness against the followers of Christ. While you're a low key antichrist, the real antichrist is still coming.

AntiChristian:
You've already accused him of peddling falsehood!
It's just that you'll never agree that your brother in Christ lied while trying to blame Muslims as usual!

You're the liar to say he lied when he actually asked for more clarity after my comment. And he in good spirits accepted the correction. You're the mischieve maker calling him a liar.

AntiChristian:
Show me where those he ate with specifically shouted "crucify him"?

He allegedly fed thousands, were they antichrists too?

Jesus did good both to His friends and His enemies.

AntiChristian:
So Jesus ate with antichrists?

Even one of his disciples was antichrist right?

Good!

Yes He did.

He ate with antichrists who even shouted 'Crucify Him'.

AntiChristian:
Define antichrist directly from Jesus?
Don't run yet from that question!

Tell me, are you not anticipating? Don't run from the question.

AntiChristian:
So he lied already?
What has never happened you put it on Islam using fake biblical allegations!

He didn't lie.

He misunderstood that, that particular verse was talking about a bigger antichrist. Not the small antichrist which is Islam.

AntiChristian:
You'll never correct yourselves when you err!

Not so. Islam is antichrist. You yourself, you're antichrist.

AntiChristian:
Define antichrist with your Bible?
And show me how Jesus was winning and dinning with sinners!

Are the very Jews and sinners with whom Christ dinned not antichrist?