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jaephoenix:
I knew you'll apply the poor logical reasoning you apply in religious matters in your daily life.
Those handwritings are learned right from med school. Mine was right from pharmacology classes. Also from ward rounds. You have to keep up with rapid words of the lecturer or consultant. And s/he won't repeat himself for anyone. If you snooze, you lose.
And you as a patient reserve the rights to ask your doc the names and reasons for the drugs you take. Also ask for side effects. We are under obligations to tell you. If the doc declines, you can report or sue him or her

I know you'll apply your flawed logical reason to my response the way you do all religious matters.

Didn't you see I wrote that those handwritings are part or the training? Why did you have to learn a separate kind of writing from med school? Telling me I have the obligation to ask the doc is balderdash. Why the doc must write in a separate way from his normal handwriting is the only way to answer question.

Kukutente23:
Seems you've mixed things up. Tinubu's fight was for democracy not environment like Saro Wiwa.
You gave that as example of people who were threatened so I explained the difference to you

Of course, people who were fighting for democracy then were regarded as a threat, and the military juntas were after them. The military could seek anyone out for any offence under heaven, and usually, the person's life may go for it.

So, for whatever reason Tinubu was threatened, and for whatever time he ran away; his life remained under threat throughout the military era. Al mustaoha or no Al mustapha.

For example, if Tinubu ran because he came under threat for fighting democracy before Al mustapha became a major player. His life remained threatened even after Al mustapha became a major player because he was still a blood sucking demon like the rest of them. He would'nt dare return home. The suffering continues.

Kukutente23:
Look. Saro Wiwa was not killed for fighting for democracy. A lot of you get things mixed up because you were not of age then. He was killed for activism for Ogoni cleanup which the then govt labeled treason.
Secondly, things fell apart totally between the democracy group and the military junta around 1995. That's when the killings began. Tinubu had already left Nigeria then. I'm not saying he was not in exile but he did not leave because his life was under threat. A good number of those whose lives were threatened were either killed, imprisoned, beaten up or threatened. I don't have record of any of those happening to him.

I did not even state the reason why Ken Saro Wiwa was killed. Did I? The military back then killed for many reasons. Your life could be threatened for any reason whatsoever. Or, did I ever say it was for democracy? I don't know where you got that from.

Kukutente23:
And tinubu told you he was running from Al-Mustapha?
Some of them left because the democracy failed not necessarily because their lives were under threat. Tinubu for example was part of those who held series of meetings with the military junta and he left after those meetings broke down. Al-Mustapha was not yet in the business of killing people then.

No. It wasn't so. Soldiers were actually sent after Tinubu. Gani Fawehinmi also suffered. Ken Saro Wiwa was hung on the gallows. Ran because democracy failed? You don't understand. I've forgotten the full details about Tinubu. He wasn't a prominent figure back then. But he was actually under threat. No one runs just because democracy failed. You'll still visit home regularly if that is the case. You wouldn't be in self exile just because democracy failed.

Enemyofpeace:
Can you read this handwriting? Does anyone understand what is written on the prescription form? Do they write like this deliberately for patients not to understand what they wrote?

They don't want you to know the drugs, so that you wouldn't go and buy them for yourself next time you have the same ailment. They must keep collecting your money each time you consult them. They're trained to write like that. The pharmacists are also trained to be able to read it clearly.

Kukutente23:
What year did Tinubu travel out

I can't remember again. That was in the 90s when everyone including Wole Soyinka were running for dear life.

Kukutente23:
And you know if Was because of Al-Mustapha precisely?

It was during the Abacha - NADECO era. Al mustapha waa a key player during those times.

Kukutente23:
Can you detail how exactly Tinubu suffered in the hands of Al-Mustapha

Aren't you aware that Tinubu went into self exile during those years when his life was under threat?

FOLYKAZE:
I saw the video on Al Jazeera today.

Okay. They might replay it. I've not had the time to watch any news today.

FOLYKAZE:
That is because you want to see only content that vilified Palestinians..

I don't even search for Palestinian contents. I watch Aljazera more than any other news channel, and I've never seen the said video.

Kobojunkie:
I did my own baptism in the bath tub with no chances of drowning and God accepted it for what it is.

You baptised yourself? Lol. You must be a comedian.

FOLYKAZE:
Yes. I saw videos where Israelites attacked Palestinians with a knife and shouting they own the whole territory. Reiterating that those who cannot abide by the seven law of Torah should be exiled or killed. Both sides are hateful.. Let us be sincere here

I'm not saying both sides are not hateful. They both are.

I've never seen any video as the one you claimed. If such a video exists, then, it could be that of some extremists because both Israelis and Palestinians know they do not own the whole territory.

JuanDeDios:
So the head of state was personally instructing a sergeant on who to kill. You're funny.

What's funny? When did I ever say that?

Abacha instructs Al mustapha and Al mustapha passes the instructions to Rogers. Who doesn't know this?

FOLYKAZE:
Total annihilation of Israel, that is another dimension.

The real contention here, you admitted there is no way there will be no conflict, guess even with the two state solution been proffered by outsiders.

The argument on the sides of the Palestinians is that own the whole space Israel people occupy today..

The claim of them owning the whole place is premised on the fact that they don't want Isreal's existence at all. It is an enmity that has been there for millennia. It didn't start in 1948. That's why the two state solution is rejected by Palestinians. The want the whole place. The standard is 'Death to Israel.' Have you ever seen Israelis shouting 'Death to Palestinians'?

JuanDeDios:
Are you kidding?

That's the truth bro.

nairalanda1:
All you have said does not make his appointment right.

Other people exist who do not have the same taint. Make them appoint them

Well, you're right but Tinubu should know better because he himself suffered so much in the hands of this man back in the days. He would have died if he had not run for his life.

KnownUnknown:
Here’s another slavish devotee of Hebrew nonsense. They keep trying to paint the Jews as victims even as they kill and destroy while being backed by the most powerful military on earth.

This shit would be funny if people weren’t being killed and suffering.

Who cares about your opinion? You can only cry for as long as you may.

Both the Israelites and Palestinians are always at each other's throats. Israel is the one on constant defence mode because while they're ready to tolerate the Palestinians, the Palestinians are not ready to tolerate them. Palestinians and Israelis constantly fight and kill themselves. The Palestinians often are the ones who stage violent attacks to which Israelis retaliate with raids. Go and find honest reports about these people. Stop being fed by propagandists.

nairalanda1:
Which makes him all the more unfit for the job.

Some of you Nigerians too dey forget.

Yeah, he could be remembered as a major player in a very murderous and blood-sucking military junta. But we must understand that in the military, an order from a superior cannot be defied. It's a military law. In this case, if Al Mustapha defies Abacha, he'll be a dead man himself. We cannot hold him accountable for Abacha's misadventures. Al Mustapha and Rogers were once tried in court and freed on this very basis. They were merely acting out orders. They're not liable to any crime. Abacha is the one to be held accountable for the crimes.

However, I personally dislike Al Mustapha because he definitely has the blood-sucking tendency in him. You remember, even after Abaxha died that morning, that same morning, Al Mustapha still wanted to carry out the ordered execution of the prisoners (Obasanjo, Diya, Adisa, Yar'adua and co). If Rogers had not opposed him on the basis that the person who gave the order was dead, Al Mustapha would still have executed them that morning. That's why I dislike him But on the flip side, we need such blood-sucking demons to flush out the bandits and those wicked murderers terrorising our land. Since he's not at the helm of the nation's affairs, he's not a threat to anybody. Let's use him and dump him afterwards.

FOLYKAZE:
I learnt that from somewhere yesterday and also learned how the West Bank is partitioned into three with the two nation taking control of two sides, while the third side is controlled co-jointly. I may be wrong though.

But the Palestinians are claiming Israeli occupied their land. That they are the original owner of those spaces occupied by Israelis today. If this claim is true, why would you even think Palestine should side their properties to 'aliens'?

If we look at the land 2000yrs back in time, what the Palestinians said is partially true.

Places like Gaza, Ekron, Askelon, Gath and Ashdod were all Palestinian lands. Israel occupes some of those places today. Meanwhile, places like Jerusalem and other ancient Israeli lands are today under Palestinian occupation. So, the dividers of the land actually muddled up the whole thing, giving Israel some Palestinian lands and also giving some Israeli lands to Palestinians. There's no way there'll be no conflict. However, the Palestinians are not even after recovering their own ancestral lands. What they want is the total annihilation of Israel.

nairalanda1:
Rogers was acting under the instructions of al mustapha who was his superior.

Lest we forget

Al Mustapha was instructing Rogers by directives from the then head of states - Abacha.

sweerychick:
hehehe the same Al Mustapha that murdered Abiolas wife Kudirat this is gonna be interesting

It was actually Rogers that murdered her on the instruction of Abacha.

FOLYKAZE:
Lord Reed.

This issue is very complex. It is difficult to have a clear cut of who lived, or are the aborigine of the current Israel state when we go back to Assyrian exile. Because the Israel we know today is not an entity but a community that lived among Canaanite who are known today as Palestinians.

Watching some documentary on Al Jazeera recently, I think the engraved hatred on both sides will not give room for two state solution. I saw some Jew quoting Torah and insisting that Israel state is their land, they owned and inherited the space from God, and that any non jew who cannot abide by the seven laws should be exiled or killed.

I mean these guys follow a particular rabbi, burnt an eight month child, openly attacked Arabs with knife, brandishing guns and even attacking Israeli securities because they don't believe in democracy. They are so convinced and determined that they will conquer and occupy all the God given land.

So how can two state solution works when both sides do not agree to accommodate each other? It is just like putting enemies in a cage. That is fight till death.

Israel actually accepted for the land to be divided. The Palestinians said no. They just want Israel extinct, always shouting "Death to Israel."

CC: lordreed

This puts the Palestinian situation in the right perspective, challenging the false narratives that paint the Israelis as land grabbers which has become mainstream.

It's really eye opening to even see that Jews never completely left or abandoned their land. They were someowhat subjugated and cheated out of it by the Ottoman empire, and further shortchanged by the remapping activities of Winston Churchill who gave them just 25% of what they were supposed to own.

Judging from the article, a great part of Israel still remains in the country called Transjordan which is now known as Jordan. It would be right to say that their land was snatched from them (they were even paying heavily to repurchase their own land before 1848). The land grabbers, the Arabs left the land desolate. No single development was done on it. The Israelis gave it rapid development after paid acquisition. By 1948, when the nation got its independence, it already had a self-deceloped place it could call a Homeland. The Palestinians wanted to inherit what they never built, and wanted to completely rid the Israelis of what was rightfully theirs. The Palestinians therefore are the ones doing injustice to the Jews.

This article provides a lot of clarity on the matter. The most cogent point is that they never completely abandoned the land. Remnants of Jews totalling about 600,000 in population had always been in occupation in the place. It isn't wrong for these remnants to rise up at anytime to reclaim their ancestral land. The land is rightfully theirs. The resolve of the Palestinians to completely dispossess them of the land is absolute wickedness. There's no justification for that.

To be honest, a review of that area before 1948 is the best way to put the matter in the right perspective. The false narrative which has become mainstream has to be corrected.

Thanks again for this piece.

The life and times of Kathryn Khulman were remarkably filled with the unmistakable Presence of God. Many testimonies still abound today of the encounters of people still living, who had been blessed by her ministry when she was alive.

She is one of the many examples of the unspeakable grace of God in the lives of those who commit themselves to God's service.

Glory to Jesus.

turmacs:
I know some people will come here to say rubbish about AlJazeera. This is one of the few truthful and unbiased news outlet remaining in this world. Aljazeera has never been known to spread propaganda and false news. Unlike CNN that openly apologised to the world for spreading fake news about beheaded babies, only God knows what else they've been lying about.

I stopped watching CNN and all her affiliated stations when i watched this video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI?si=XdDVafRjvjR81ihl


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnIQalprvR8?si=ajfZjhjURW4Oxgg8

Aljazeera also reported the beheaded babies and never apologied.

TenQ:
The Day of the JWs is coming.
I just decided to first concentrate on Muslims and Islam.

Kudos bro.

TenQ:
I will consider it.
I have previously written a post about Islam being a Cult of Mohammed!

Why Islam is a Cult of Mohammed!
https://www.nairaland.com/7715066/why-islam-cult-mohammed#123576940


JWs can waste your time for Africa!
They don't care one bit about the truth of the scriptures as long it doesn't align with their doctrinal position as dictated by the old men of their governing body

Yeah, I can remember reading the post.

You're right about JWs but God would give you the wisdom to handle them.

Courz would readily supply you with quotes from their rules and regulations that would be a big plus for the post. He's very versatile on JW matters.

Saao:
yes ofcuz, I bought something few days ago using wema MasterCard debit.

Bro how do you manage to use your Wema MasterCard Debit for international transactions? I have one but it's not working. Please show me the way.

TenQ:
And this is one of the reasons Islam is a Cult of Mohammed..

Freely you can join but you may disengage at the risk of losing your life.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061
It was narrated that Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.

Chai!!

Please, I believe in God's grace and wisdom upon your life.

Can you make a list thread with a topic such as, 'How to know that you're in a cult.' or 'How to know that the region you're practising is a cult.' or '10 Signs that shows that your religion or organization is a cult.' Then, you back it up with sample verses or verdicts from such cults such as the verse you just quoted for Islam. Both Muslims and JWs can benefit from such threads. Especially when you clearly show them that they're being held for the benefit of the cult. I'll supply points for the thread too if the Lord gives me points.

God will certainly help you bro.

TenQ:
1. A Cult or a Prison is one in which once you enter, it is impossible for you to Freely take your leave if you don't like the place.
Even in the army, except in times of war, I you can withdraw your appointment.

2. A Party or a partnership of a Business is one in which he you can withdraw your membership at will.

The difference between the two groups is this.

In any association that is to the benefit of the Initiate, Allah he is allowed to leave at will.

Any association that need your membership to survive will never allow you to go because the association was not designed for your benefit.


So is the difference between Islam and Christianity!

The bolded is very succinct. Any organization that needs you for its own benefit would never allow you to renounce so easily. All cults are like that.

rolams:


One question will destroy all your faith.

After this, I have nothing to comment here.

Bring me the question please. My answer to that question will shake your Islamic foundation. You'll discover you were lied to.

TenQ:
I have asked them repeatedly :
How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?

A wise man once said:

A Muslim is one who says and live by the mantra :
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!

If only they can sit down and make subjective reviews of what they have been told without allowing any religious bias to becloud their reasoning. Christians are permitted to ask questions in church. They're are not threatened if they decide to leave the faith. This gives room for free thinking. You are never forced to be a Christian. You are a Christian because you chose to. The same does not apply to Islam, that's why Muslims have to reason things out themselves and not be defending Mohammed blindly.