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Maynmann:
If you didn’t abuse me first, I wouldn’t have abused you.

You can go through all my mentions with you. Even when you abuse me, I don't immediately react until it gets to a point where I can't take it anymore.

Maynmann:
I don’t start the insults, i don’t like it when people can’t take what they dish out.

Imagine calling me son of one character in your storybook but if i also do the same na problem.

I have always been cautious in all my discourse on this forum. I respect myself and therefore respect everyone I have dealings with. But on several occasions, you've abused me for no just reasons. And I've decided to let you be.

Maynmann:
Why not Gods exist?

Maynman, I have had encounters with you in which I have every cause to conclude that you do not engage in mature, intelligent and clean discussions. Your mantra is to cause unnecessary provocation using vulgarity and abusive languages. I do not have the time for such.

Wilgrea7:
I've explained in the past that the existence of a god does not solve the moral problem. I created an entire thread on it.

But okay, for the sake of this discussion, i will agree that a god exists.. so please go ahead to the secondary stage.

Prove god A or B

We're not talking about the moral problem. The existence of a government, presidents, judges as well as criminal laws don't solve the crime problems. But the existent of the laws themselves prove that someone higher than the criminal exists.

The secondary stage is not what we would discuss just because you're agreeing for the sake of this discussion. It's better discussed with someone who strongly accepts the existent of a God but is unsure of which God is the true God. I don't see you at this stage yet.

budaatum:
This is so not true. Just as you would not say please and thank you if your parents never taught you to, so too would you not learn not to lie and cheat and steal if no one taught you not to.

Please and thank you are not the moral laws where discussing here.

You and I know that universally accepted moral laws exist. The universe itself operates on some scientific laws which were not set by man. Someone higher than man set them.

Those universally accepted moral laws and the scientific laws that govern our universe are pointers to the existent of a God.

Wilgrea7:
This thread is about morality, not the existence of god. The reason i asked you to prove god A or B, is because it would help us define the arbiter of the alleged objective moral laws you believe exist.

The thread is not just about morality but the existent of moral laws which were not created by man. I posit that Someone higher than man made those laws.

Aemmyjah:
Oh
My bad
U did not mention scientific laws

Don't mind this atheist
They don't want tk believe in a Creator ao they can pursue their selfish desires and not feel accountable to God
Just as a child delights to do all sorts of nonsense when the parents are far away
Where does it leave them? No guide, nk purpose, no future, no hope. Animal living

Oh, I mentioned that our universe operates according to certain rules and laws. I suppose everyone would understand that my reference was to scientific laws.

And you're very correct. When you present Atheists with strong arguments against their viewpoints, they start to dribble around the point, setting baits to subtly divert the discussion into their
individual areass of strength. Their atheistically induced notions of God is weak because it is based on science which stands on ever shifting grounds. Just one new discovery could make science review a lot of its positions today. Anyone who does not have total, infinite and absolute knowledge cannot make a bold statement that there's no God. The Atheist himself knows that he's deceiving himself.

Wilgrea7:
This thread is about morality, not the existence of god. The reason i asked you to prove god A or B, is because it would help us define the arbiter of the alleged objective moral laws you believe exist.

The thread is about morality and targeted to atheists who say there's no God.

I can't prove God A or B until we first both agree that at least a God exists. This is the right order.

My point is that there are moral laws as well as laws guiding the universe in all its operations. Man discovered those laws, he didn't set them. Someone higher than man did. Laws don't enact or promulgate themselves.

Aemmyjah:
Your point is very logical but i did not agree at all with the highlighted
What has science got to do with moral laws or morality
It is built in
It is like a inner guide
Just as it is wrong to say science discovered love and hate, hunger and thirst.
Moral laws guide a person or community

Please read my post again. I spoke about science in relation to the scientific laws and rules guiding our physical universe in my second paragraph. The first paragraph referred only to moral laws but the second paragraph does not.

Wilgrea7:
Care to enlighten me on how you arrived at this conclusion?



I never tried to use the multiplicity of gods as a way to invalidate anyone's existence. If you want to claim your god is the creator of the universe and thus the arbiter of the moral laws within it, then you need to prove it.

To use your king analogy, prove that person A is indeed the "king" as he claims to be.

My intent here is not to prove that God A or B is the true God. That's a secondary issue. The primary issue is that a God exists.

Wilgrea7:
The issue of morality isn't that simple. Even if you bring gods into the equation, the problem still remains.

There are different religions today, with different gods who claimed to be the creator of the universe, and hence the source of the moral laws, if any, in them.

So far, no god has been proven to be the creator of the universe, and therefore, no god can lay a claim to objective morality.

Morality among theists is still highly subjective, but it moves from being subjective among humans, to being subjective among gods.

god A says eating pork is wrong. god B says it's okay. That's the case we have today.

If you want to make a case for objective morality, you need to first prove the source of it, A.K.A, the god, and then prove that the moral laws set by this god are indeed from it.

Because from what it seems, moral laws, are a purely human thing. And rather than seen as subjective or objective, they appear to be somewhat progressive.

The issue is not a matter of what God a or b says. The matter is who is the true God. There obviously one God but there are many impersonators.

Someone set the universally accepted moral laws that man uses as a standard to judge right and wrong.

The universe itself operates according to set laws and rules. Scientists discover those laws. Someone higher than man set them. Laws don't create themselves. They're enacted and promulgated.

The multiplicity of gods is a lame argument against God's existence. There could be two persons claiming rulership over a city. The question is, "who is the true and substantiated king?" It's folly to conclude in this scenario that there's no king anywhere.

MaxInDHouse:
Humans supposed to distinguish between evil and good because we were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} but due to sin we have fallen below God's glory {Romans 3:23} hence we need a counselor {Isaiah 9:6} to connect us with our heavenly father {John 14:6} without this our sinful nature will continue to distort our thinking ability no matter how kind-hearted we may be. Romans 7:15-25

POLITICS was introduced by Satan so that those following Satan's idea will always like to rule over others as demigods {Genesis 3:4-5} that's the beginning of mankind's woes.
Satan's agents have set their own standards and infused it in the brains of their subjects.

If you observe carefully you will notice that toddlers from different races, cultures, language whether rich or poor mingle together as ONE but by the time they begin attending schools (Satan's set-up to infuse his standard in their brains) things begin to change, those former toddlers who don't have any reason to discriminate will start accepting prejudice as normal.

Well that's why Jesus of Nazareth said:

"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.” Luke 18:17

So we supposed to know what is good and what is evil but after growing up under Satan's system i'm sorry billions have lost that sense!

All I want the Atheists to know is that Someone higher than man set the moral laws that are universally accepted by man. Laws are enacted and promulgated. They're never self existing.

This alone is a strong argument against Atheism.

This is also further strengthened by the fact that, the entire universe, not just man, operates according to set laws and rules. Scientists discovered those laws. They didn't set them. Man didn't set the laws of the universe. Someone higher than man did.

budaatum:
The wrongness of murder, lying, fraud, cheating does not depend on individual choice. Before your Yahweh was created, Egypt, Rome, Greece, China and Yorubas along with most societies, all had laws against those wrongs. Most societies figured out for themselves that those things are detrimental to society and are therefore wrong and did not need any gods to tell them that.

Moral laws are unwritten universal laws. Everyone automatically knows what's morally wrong or right. That means, a universal entity who created the space we occupy galvanized those laws into our existence.

Moral laws are not man-made. Therefore, there's an entity higher than man.

kinkonp:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3297/3652690702_aa0e962a62_z.jpg

In spring of 1872, noted photographer Eadweard Muybridge devised a method of fast-motion photography that allowed him to see a horse running in slow motion. In doing that, he effectively invented the motion picture industry. One hundred and fifty years later, Muybridge’s moving-picture efforts inspired a curious experiment for me: What happens, I wondered, if I linger among the images of Jesus in the gospel accounts? What unexpected lessons will I find if I risk viewing God in Slow Motion? I decided to find out.

Unexpected Lesson: Humility = Glory. Jesus, in his birth, thumbed his nose at all human expectations of greatness. In that first breath, He redefined what glory is and means. He constructed a brand-new equation that only makes sense if God is truly God: Humility = Glory. Christ chose humility underfoot – arriving as a helpless, reliably incontinent infant – as the most resplendent setting for the opening act of his grand redemptive work. In that moment, God’s reputation in human eyes meant nothing. His saving purpose was all that mattered, and the result has been greater glory than humanity could have ever imagined.

3.Unexpected Lesson: God loves a mystery. If you don’t believe God loves a mystery, just read his book. In chapter one of Genesis you’ll find an eternal, self-existent, all-powerful being – Someone in need of absolutely nothing. And yet, He created. He spoke and everything that exists was formed, from the awe-inspiring, mammoth sun to the mitochondria that inhabit your very cells. Why would God do that? He had no need. He wasn’t looking for a hobby – and He certainly could foresee the heartache and sinfulness that would run rampant in his creation over time. So why create at all? It’s a mystery.

Unexpected Lesson: Sometimes, we don’t listen to His voice … thinking we do. How? Because the sick need a doctor, and – often really – we refuse to admit we’re sick. I hear Christ calling and I say to myself, He’s talking to someone else. After all, it’s the sick that need a doctor, and surely I’m not sick, am I? It’s a mistake of vision – and the reason we Christians are so often un-Christlike in the way we live, the way we love, and the way we represent our master to the culture in which He’s placed us.


Unexpected Lesson: Jesus is one scary dude. In case you didn’t notice it last time you read “Jesus Calms the Storm” in your Bible, you should know something the disciples obviously recognized: Jesus is (in the best sense possible) one scary dude. After Christ stilled the deadly storm, the Bible says of his disciples: “They were terrified…” That used to confuse me, but as more and more gray hair appears in my beard, I’m beginning to understand. It is both terrifying and exhilarating to serve our mighty God. How awesome is that?


Unexpected Lesson: Christ’s compassion is bigger than my vision. Our job is not to define God’s compassion in miracles or specific blessings. Our job is to trust fully in the complete working of his compassion – to trust Jesus with the keys to our lives even when his vision for us appears to be radically different from our expectations of Him. The Woman with an Issue of Blood desperately wanted healing. But she desperately needed: Restoration. Acceptance. Affection. Belonging. And Jesus refused to let her leave until her heart got all it needed – even though it scared her nearly to death.

Unexpected Lesson: Sometimes God Refuses a Miracle! Did you notice that in all the fuss of Matthew 11:1–6? John the Baptist’s disciples asked Jesus if He was indeed the hoped-for Messiah. Jesus responded with miraculous, incontrovertible evidence: Miracles abound, dripping freely from Christ almost like sweat on a workman’s brow! And yet there is no miracle for John. No miraculous prison break. No relief. Nothing…but faith. A literal reminder that hardship will invade our world, that miracles may or may not come. But in every circumstance Jesus will always be Christ. That truth is enough to create faith to withstand anything.


Unexpected Lesson: It is no sin to feel sad. When her brother died, Martha fell weeping at Jesus’ feet. She actually blamed Him for the death! Yet, Jesus never scolded her for this. Instead, He reached into her grief with a promise of comfort. Why didn’t Jesus rebuke her for lack of faith? Tell her to stop blubbering and start living? I’d guess it’s because God’s not threatened by honest emotion; because it was no sin for Martha to feel sad at the loss of her brother – even when that sadness was multiplied by a perception that God had let her down.

Unexpected Lesson: Greatness is the DNA of Service. Jesus washed his disciples’ feet. There have been great men and women throughout history. There have been great deeds as well. But only One was able to take the ultimate insult of his time (washing feet!) and turn it into an image of everlasting greatness. Only Jesus could do that – embody greatness of service – because only Jesus is truly great. As for you and me, then, we must learn: One is not great because he serves; one serves because He is great.

Unexpected Lesson: The Cross means we are not safe. The enemies of God are not happy about the freedom Christ created for you. Like wicked slave masters, they want to see you returned to helplessness under the influence of sin. Spiritual and physical forces alike will seek to treat you like they treated Jesus, to mock you, to condemn you, to discourage and abuse you. This is simply the way of life, especially for a Christian. But you must also know that, because of the love that Jesus displayed on cross, you will never be helpless in the face of hardship. Not ever again.

Unexpected Lesson: Joy waits in wounded hands. You might think that upon seeing a deity returned to life, the devoted would be trembling in awe, or hushed to silence, or scared out of their wits – any number of sober, serious responses. But the disciples were overjoyed. Seeing Jesus alive again was both a miracle of resurrection and a happy family reunion. And why shouldn’t it be? Great joy is the fruit of great love, and Jesus’ return from the dead delivered them both. Amen

http://aimtoget.com/board/Others/10-Things-You-Really-Dont-Know-About-Christ.287.html

Highly inspired writings. I'm blessed beyond measure.

LegalWolf:
Lol, yhwh is a true god ehn 🤣🤣🤣🤣💃🏽

Again: do you think you made sense to reasonable thinking humans ?

You just remembered what I said to have made a reverse to ask a question on the basis of the same post that you claimed made no sense to thinking humans? Since you drew out your question from there, do you consider yourself a thinking human according to your own words?

LegalWolf:
Said so much without saying anything. Or do you think you made sense to reasonable thinking humans ?

The same form of rhetoric the defenders of false gods are known for when hit with hard truth.

LegalWolf:
Sweet! We are getting there

At least, you could swallow your world shameless and accept that Arabic is not based on Aramaic, contrary to the initial fabu you dropped on the timeline.... Hahahah future thief!



Yes, I am very empty of the knowledge of aramaic, hebrew and arabic. But I was not the one shameless lying that Arabic is based on Aramaic, or was I? Ehn potential thief

And which of these languages being the oldest is irrelevant to the conversation. Completely irrelevant. I never said one language is older thanthe other or one did not influence the other... So it is your own problem whether Aramaic is older than Arabic ooo not mine! It is your wahala whether Hebrew influenced Arabic not mine...




Dumb, stup1d and an ignorant buffoon! Because they are pre-fixed by the qualifier automatically means the qualifier translates to 'God', ehn? So because I call myself Al-Kwarawiyy, I am god kwara? Or Al-Fulani, I am god Fulani? Ehn TenQ

cc: FxMasterz is this the dumbo you look up to? And stray advocatejare is the imbec1le you expect me to be rating highly and having a conversation with?

You're still expending all your energy in defending Islam in spite of its numerous red flags?

Going by the violence, (Even in your writings, you exhibit the same violence your religion is known for), Mohammedian facism, paedophilia, flawed science, unacceptable logic (or you believe that Satan enters your mouth when you yawn except you cover the mouth, or that Satan sleeps in your nostrils when you sleep as said by Mohammed?), etc. The red flags are too numerous to mention.

Most times, when I read your comments and the violent languages you love to use, I can conclude that it's better to be a Buddhist than to be a Muslim. Buddhists actually have better human relations and more logical explanations for physical events than does Islamists. Meanwhile, they're also serving a false god.

Someday, your eyes would open, and if it never does, I wish you safe journey to your phantom Islamic paradise made solely for your sexual aggrandizement.

AntiChristian:
I shouldn't bother to ask but you have been asking us these asinine questions too?
Plank/speck dey your eyes o!

I have answered all your questions. The only thing I didn't do is to help you differentiate between true disciples and and the synagogues of Satan. You're not a member of Christ's body, so you don't need the answer. It's of no use to you.

Meanwhile, you've not answered a single question I asked you.

Keep deceiving yourself.

AntiChristian:
I shouldn't bother to ask but you have been asking us these asinine questions too?
Plank/speck dey your eyes o!

But, you never answered me. Did you?

AntiChristian:
So which of those Churches have the disciples? Which are Satanic temples?


Na una they talk am among yourselves! You call them non-Christians just like JW call you same!

Yeah! Even those who predicted and failed from election period get temples!

Since you're not a member of the body of Christ, you have no part in the matter of true disciples versus temples of Satan. So, don't bother to ask.

You want to change the topic? Prophetic declarations are words of command in prayers. They're not prophesies about the Future. Prophesies about the future always start with "Thus says the Lord," Or the prophet says "This is what the Lord is telling me right now ". Except there are words like these two above, there are no failed prophesies about the last election.

Men of God can pray their wills or declare their desires but God is sovereign. His will and His counsel will stand at the end of the day.

Now, have you found the solution to the many sordid revelations about your religion on this forum, or have you found a way to reunite the 73 Islamic sects?

AntiChristian:
No be wetin i ask you be this na?

I worship wherever the disciples are. I don't worship in synagogues of Satan that pretend to be the temples of God.

And mind you, you have no right to tag all those denominations you listed as synagogues of Satan because I never said so.

There are disciples even today. It didn't end with the 12. Get my point please.

AntiChristian:
Which disciples Does that include Saul who became Paul after Jesus was no more on Earth? Which Shephard did Paul feed from? Even Peter wey feed with Jesus 24/7 still deny am three times not to talk of Paul wey no meet Jesus!
So what was the quoted verses about?



This is funny! Sect or no sect. I can still pray in many mosques in Lagos depending on where i am at Salah time!

Can you worship with Catholics, Anglicans, Celestial or Cherubim and Seraphim?

Jesus is the One and only Shepherd. The disciples know themselves and are known to the Shepherd.

Have you found solution to the sordid things about your religion for which you always require the help of the mods to help you repress? Have you united the 73 Islamic sects you have around you?

AfonjaScud:
Where ignorance is bliss, knowledge is lacking and not valued.

This doesn't work. I never made any conclusion regarding your sect. I only asked you to tell us your extra-biblical source for the things you do.

Walk the path of honour and defend your sect rather than making unrelated statements.

AntiChristian:
Yeah i agree you are all united! That's why Catholics can attend RCCG and Celestial Church attend Christ Embassy!

You should have mentioned the divisions like i mentioned some of your denominations! You gave over two thousand different Church names and still counting!

The Mosque i pray at home is not the same one i pray at work! And anytime i go out i pray in the nearest mosque! Can you attend C & S or Cele? Catholic or Anglican? Methodist or Baptist? Presbyterian or Lord Chosen?

Sorry o! Deal with the crises here!

Cele no be Christian!
C&S no be Christian!
Catholics no be Christian!
Anglicans no be Christian!
Jehovah Witnesses no be Christians!

Jesus's prayer will never be answered till the world ends!

Jesus never prayed for 'Christians' to be united. There was no such word in His days. He prayed only for the unity of His disciples. All disciples are Christians but not all Christians are disciples. His disciples are united because they feed under the same Shepherd. How can you know the difference?

You should find solutions to the divisions among Muslims and the many sordid facts about your religion.

AntiChristian:
All Christians are supposed to be united in what they believe about Jesus (right?)

[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Paul said:
I appeal to you . . . that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.(1 Corinthians 1:10)

That’s a nice thought, but has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Christianity is more than just Roman Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, 7days Adventists, Anglican, Redeem, C&S, Celestial Church of Christ, Christ Embacsy, Synagogue, TREM, Harvesters, Winners, Deeper Life, Apostolic Faith Church, CAC, Lord Chosen, Dunamis, and maybe a few hundreds more—there are now 45,000 denominations, and Christianity is fragmenting at a rate of two new denominations per day.

Has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Jesus said ask and you shall be given Mathew 7:7.

But here Jesus asked but was not given!

HAPPY "YOUR OWN CHURCH BETTER PASS THEIRS" FIGHTING!

Yes, all Christians are united. A true Christian is one being discipled by Jesus Christ. There are many wolves in sheep clothing who call themselves Christians and are not. The Lord knows them that are His. The Lord has said, ',By their fruits, ye shall know them.' All things were already prophesied.

You should bother yourself with the many divisions in Islam and the problems of your religion that always push you towards the mods here to pull down threads that make sordid exposures of your religion.

MightySparrow:
Jaw - breaking, demonic, unscriptural names. All these white garment churches with their weirdness.

Don't mind them. Can you read what that AfonjaScud said. It claims it smacks of inaccurate knowledge to claim anything without scriptural reference is unchristian. He should tell me the meaning of the word 'unscriptural'. He should also tell me where they got those names from, since those names aren't in the Bible. We'll love to know the source or sources of those weird names.

Wagwanbrethren:
You Neva hear of the term." Na who Dem catch na em be criminal" 🤷‍♂️

You've heard it said that 'Time will tell'. 40yrs of ministry isn't beans.

Wagwanbrethren:
Was he not a pastor before he was caught?
Which wan come be fake? 🤣

When em dey preach una go dey clap,dey call am man of God, but the moment he committed a crime una don ditch am dey call am fake!🤣

There are true pastors, many in Nigeria here who have been in the ministry for more than 40yrs. No crime has ever been pinned on them.

Mathew 24:11 says concerning these days:

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

udede:
But why do you guys always add "popular" to every criminal "pastor"

Don't mind them. They're just being mischievous. Rather than say 'Fake Pastor', they'll say 'Popular' just to ganner more clicks.

Salvation2:
Prophet Dike Power (+234907 716 8959)


The next morning, her siblings and dad came to see her at the hospital. Her father is a DECON in their family church but does not believe in most men of God especially when they talk or prophesy. He is the old and dogmatic type of christian. As they were there with her, Prophet Dike Power traced the hospital located along stadium road Port Harcourt and came to her room.

As he stepped into her room and greeted everyone, he introduced himself as Prophet Dike from brother Stephen. Without being told anything either by my wife or my self, he immediately turned and called me and said it was a SPIRITUAL ATTACK and it was 2 women!
But the siege is over as he has stepped into that room!! He said they have failed!!! That they came to put an end to her life but that can never be possible again as he has come into the case...


While this was going on, the medical team comprising of a medical doctor and some nurses came in that they want to operate on her heart. That they should excuse them from the room. Prophet Dike asked them to leave her alone, that there is nothing wrong with my wife. The father of my wife didn't believe or agree with him. He got angry and started looking down on the Prophet because of his dressing/appearance. But he laughed and told them that they will never find her vain to insert anything. They checked and checked and looked everywhere on her wrist, arm and laps, but couldn't see a single vain according to what the prophet said. They got angry and left my wife because they felt prophet Dike was a hindrance to their work.

This reminds me of an incident in 2017. There was this woman who was possessed by marine spirits. They actually wrecked her life. Her father, a new member of our church in Ilorin brought her in from Lagos.

According to the dad, a retired DPO , several attempts to help her daughter had been made since she was young. All to no avail. They've been to many deliverance centers. Nothing changed. Even though they were Catholics, there's been no church denomination they have not sought help from.

The lady was then married and things really got harder. This was complicated by the fact that the husband's mother was a very powerful witch. The family suffered to the extent that the wife was literally begging on the streets of Lagos with her two children to feed the family. The husband who was a banker got sacked few months into the marriage, and ever since then, getting a job became impossible. Satan is very wicked! These people couldn't even afford a home for themselves.

During deliverance, it was revealed that the lady was dedicted to a river goddess in their village in Cross River during a crisis the lady had when she was about 6yrs old. As time passed by, both the girl and the parents reneged on the terms and conditions attached to the help they received. This made the river goddess angry. Their lives were turned upside down.

By the power of God, she was delivered. The husband was called in from Lagos and got delivered too. This was in September 2017. I made a decree to the husband that he'll get a good job before the end of September. The day was a Wednesday. That same week, he received calls from 3 different organizations to come and resume work with them. These organizations have had his application for many years. They ignored it until the day the Lord visited this man. I pray that God would visit the reader of this post in Jesus name! The man weighed all his options for the now available jobs, and settled down with Nigerian Breweries in Ibadan. A new dawn had come but the devils were angry.
They were determined to annihilate the family, starting from the wife.

The husband had gone to Ibadan to resume work but the wife and children remained with the wife's father in Ilorin.

One night, the father ran panicking to my house which was just a stone throw away from his, and was shouting for me to come and help her daughter.

I hastily rushed down to their house only to find the lady suffocating on the bed in her room. The Spirit of God told me she was being strangled. So, I uttered a word of command in the name of Jesus. Immediately, she got relieved and started narrating how she saw some beings strangling her, saying they would never allow her to live. She was the only one seeing them. She said they intensified their efforts as soon as I stepped into the room.

After praying for her that night, declaring her and her family a 'Touch Not' for the devil and his agents, peace and comfort was restored, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.

I pity anyone who visits this thread only to read for entertainment. This life is more than meets the eye. Only a true connection with Jesus Christ forms a perfect bulwark against the wickedness of this world.

I hope atheists like Jaephoenix, lordreed, hopefullandlord, francistown, maynmaynmayn and all those antichristian Islamists who are being deceived are following this thread and taking notes.