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miracle002:
The Bible does not specifically condemn games of chance, gambling, betting, or the lottery. The Bible does warn us, however, against the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Wisdom avoids short cuts to prosperity: “Wealth from get-rich-quick schemes quickly disappears; wealth from hard work grows over time” (Proverbs 13:11, NLT). We are to work hard and earn a living (2 Thessalonians 3:10; Proverbs 14:23). Most gambling is motivated by a love of money. People place bets with the hope of quick and easy riches. Materialism is at the root of gambling.

The Bible mentions events of “luck” or “chance” in contexts other than gambling or betting. For example, casting lots was God’s prescribed method of choosing between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat (Leviticus 16:. Joshua cast lots to determine the allotment of land to the various tribes, and the results were accepted as God’s will (Joshua 18:10). Nehemiah cast lots to determine who would live inside the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 11:1). The apostles cast lots to determine the replacement for Judas (Acts 1:26). Each of these occasions proved the truth of Proverbs 16:33, which says, “The lot is cast in the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.” None of these instances of casting lots have to do with betting or the transfer of goods. The apostles’ casting lots in Acts 1 is no justification for playing craps in Vegas.

One infamous scene of gambling occurred at the foot of Jesus’ cross. Scripture makes note of the Roman soldiers’ callous game of chance: “After they had nailed him to the cross, the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice” (Matthew 27:35, NLT). This was materialism at its most brazen—they occupied themselves with a little piece of this world as they turned their backs on the one who offered them heaven.

Gambling, by nature, takes advantage of the misfortune of others. In order for one person to win, someone else—usually multiple others—must lose. For a Christian to risk money in the off chance that he will gain even more is foolish. But to actively seek financial benefit from someone else’s loss is beyond foolish; it is unethical.

Casinos use all sorts of marketing schemes to entice gamblers to risk as much money as possible. They often offer inexpensive or even free alcohol, which encourages drunkenness—and a decreased ability to make good decisions. Everything in a casino is designed to appeal to materialistic desires. Even in those games that require a certain amount of skill and do not rely solely on luck, the gambler is seeking to benefit from the misfortune of others and playing into a rigged system. The aim of a casino is to take money in large sums and give little in return.

Sports betting is becoming more popular—and more accessible—by the day. Some argue in its defense, saying that sports betting is harmless entertainment. Some say that betting on a team, especially if it’s a fantasy team, requires some research and skill to be successful. Critics point out that gambling of any kind can lead to addiction. According to the National Council on Problem Gambling, about 5 million Americans can be classified as compulsive gamblers (www.addictionhelp.com/gambling/statistics, accessed 5/20/25). And critics point out that sports betting can easily harm the integrity of the sport in question, when players are bribed to shave points or throw a game. So, there are several ethical and moral concerns with sports betting.

State and national lotteries are another form of gambling. Lotteries tempt people with the possibility of quick riches and are marketed as a way to fund education and/or social programs. However, it seems that those the lottery is supposed to help are actually being hurt. A recent study showed that U.S. households in the lowest income bracket spend 13 percent of their annual household income on lottery tickets; in contrast, the highest earners spend just 1 percent of their income on the lottery (Bankrate survey, October 2019). So, those who can least afford to spend money on lottery tickets are often the ones buying them. With the chances of winning the lottery being infinitesimal, the whole system preys upon the poor.

First Timothy 6:10 provides wisdom that directly relates to gambling: “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Greed is equated with idolatry in Colossians 3:5. Those who gamble cannot follow the admonition of Hebrews 13:5: “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have.” Serving God and serving money are incompatible (Matthew 6:24).

Does the Bible forbid a friendly wager between two players going head-to-head on a tennis court? What about paying a dime into the kitty for a bingo card? Entering a raffle? Filling out a March Madness bracket in the office pool? The answer is, no, the Bible does not explicitly forbid these things. When it comes to betting of any kind, followers of Jesus should use discernment in examining their motives, their testimony, and their responsibility to steward their resources wisely.

” (Matthew 27:35, NLT). This was materialism at its most brazen—they occupied themselves with a little piece of this world as they turned their backs on the one who offered them heaven."

Precious Words!

jaephoenix:
U still haven't explained why admitting and believing aren't the same,Mr Dodger.
So u believe your god can be blamed when christians pray and don't get their miracle. Thank you for that

So, I'm the one that should explain? The burden of proof lies on you.

Show us how admit equals belief from a dictionary.

I already messaged you on telegram.

MaxInDHouse:
Carefully read my comment again i never said anyone can relate with the father without the son.



Rather you are the one who excluded the father as if He shouldn't be in the picture:



In the above post you made no mention of the father whereas Jesus clearly stated that it's his father that connects him to rightly disposed persons:

No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day. John 6:44

So no one can have a relationship with Jesus without the father it's God who draws us to His son.

My friend, you said there's nothing like starting a relationship with Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
Nothing like starting a relationship with Jesus he didn't send himself it's God we can start a relationship with but the first step is to believe what God's Son teaches {Matthew 17:5} that's why many believe in Jesus but they can't start a relationship with God {Luke 18:18-23} as they finds it really difficult to act on what Jesus taught! John 6:66

I'll address the bolded. Don't be deceived by the JW falsehoods please. Iare these verses of Scripture in your Bible?

1 John 1:3

"What we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.

John 14:3

Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

You can't relate with God without relating with Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
The man believes but his not convinced enough to do the works Jesus assigned to those who believe in him. James 2:19

For instance the man who walked up to Jesus and humbly knelt down before him {Mark 10:17} surely believe in Jesus but is he ready to do what Jesus told him to do? Mark 10:21-22

So believing in Jesus differs from obeying Jesus! Matthew 7:21-23

Believing in Jesus is the first step in starting a relationship with Jesus. Afterwards, you move to the second stage which is obedience. Only those who believe in Jesus can move on to the next stage of obeying Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what you typed:



So the question is:

Do you think he doesn't BELIEVE Jesus cured his wife?
If he doesn't BELIEVE why do you think he freed his wife and children to follow you to church?🤔

Believing Jesus performed a miracle is different from believing in Jesus.

You can believe Jesus performed a miracle without following Jesus. But you cannot believe in Jesus without following Him.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what i couldn't understand:



Note this excerpt:

He only said his wife and children are free to follow us to church if they want.

His action afterwards is evidence that he BELIEVES Jesus saved his wife otherwise he wouldn't have agreed for his children and wife to attend church!😟

A Muslim does not understand salvation. So, he couldn't have beoueved Jesus saved his wife. Perhaps, you wanted to say he believed Jesus cured his wife Whether he believed or not, no one can tell.

My own father was once a Muslim turned freethinker. He, at a time instructed my mother to go to church if she wanted, but should allow his children to choose whatever they wanted. He later met Jesus and converted.

So, from the example I cited of my old man of blessed memory, believing in Jesus cannot be done without following Jesus.

From my personal experiences in evangelism, miracles are not the only thing that bring people to Christ. I have seen miracles upon miracles and yet the people who received the miracles remain unsaved. It was the same crowd before whom Christ performed miracles that still cried "crucify Him". Jesus even had to ask them at one time "For which of the good works are you stoning me?".

Unbelief is a very powerful demon. It has a strong grip on its victims. The Holy Ghost needs to break its grip before his victims can see clearly. For example, the Muslim guy here called Antichristian would not become a follower of Jesus by just seeing miracles. I can assure you that. He'll admit that Jesus indeed performed the miracles but he'll never leave Islam except the Holy Ghost arrests him. In most cases, Muslims like him will tell you that the miracle happened by the permission of Allah and that they know Jesus more than you do (ignorantly thinking that the stories of Jesus' childhood in their Quran is a knowledge of Jesus). He'll say he believes Jesus is a prophet and nothing more. The miracles he sees notwithstanding.

So, admittance of miracles is not the same thing as belief. You cannot believe in Jesus and not be saved. Not possible

MaxInDHouse:
My point is if he admits that Jesus saved his wife.
So did he BELIEVE that Jesus saved his wife?

He didn't say Jesus saved his wife. It was healing actually. The wife had mental issues. He admitted what he saw but probably still had doubts. Otherwise, he'll follow Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying anyone who doesn't follow others to the church doesn't believe in Jesus?
Because if someone agreed that Jesus cured his wife it means such a person believes in Jesus just as demons believe in God but will never do any works that goes along with their beliefs!😟

When a Muslim tells you he can't follow you to Church, it means he cannot serve Jesus. His statement was well understood. He even added that he cannot leave Islam as he came from a generation of strong Muslims.

jaephoenix:
One has to believe before admitting,oga. No how can someone admit what he or she doesn't believe. All these dodgery no go help you.
So you admit your god wants some folks to die? Thank God(pun intended ) u have admitted this one. Make I take snapshot cos u go deny next time.
So u also agree your god does his things irrespective of prayers. Cool. So why do we pray then if your god has already made up his mind about us? I mean we can just say 'abeg god do wetin dey ur mind' no need for all these fasting and prayers.
And then the same bible says pray without ceasing? Dey confuse yourself
I thought u said god does his thing irrespective of our prayers and then the next sentence u say our prayers gain weight from our compassion and faith? Who are you trying to confuse?

God's will cannot be changed. Whatever is then changeable depends on your faith, love and compassion to make God take actions on your behalf.

If admitting equals believing, leave that for the subject. I said, admit and not believe. Those are two different things.

I have seen someone , a Muslim who admitted that indeed Jesus cured his wife of insanity but yet never believed in Jesus. He only said his wife and children are free to follow us to church if they want.

jaephoenix:
So tell me,what's the difference between admit and believe, in this context? Mr. Lienus?
I also asked you a question which I said you'll dodge and indeed you dodged it lol 😆
Lemme repeat that question. If a christian doctor prays and a botches a procedure leading to a mortality, who should be blamed? The doctor, Yhwh or the patient

It's alright. You would have made a more honorable person if only you can admit your mistakes. You need to first show me a dictionary where admit is same as believe.

I think I already had enough of you. I always like it when individuals can be truthful and honest in their dealings. I always know you be one who lies. But today, I can see that you lie without remorse.

And for your question which you lied that I dodged, I already answered you that prayed don't force God to do anything against His will. All Christians acknowledge that. If God wants someone's to die and you pray, the person will still die anyway, but, if the person's issue is from the devil, prayers can stop the person from dying.

Your own compass ion and your faith will help your prayers gain value before God. If it's missing, you have a great void to fill for your answers to come.

Let me add that prayers are answered dependent on God's will, a person's relationship with God and/or God's mercy. And all are connected through Love and Faith. Prayer is not a game of blaming anybody.

Thanks for your time actually. I'll get in touch with you on telegramn latest by tomorrow.

jaephoenix:
Read what you said. Or are you also grammatically challenged? You said all doctors believe in the supernatural when an unexplainable event occurs. Now u r denying it.
So if it's not the place of a doctor to say a miracle occurred, why do doctors pray? Isn't it for a miracle to happen? You see how you're twisting yourself into pretzels? A doctor not knowing how a particular event happens doesn't mean that event is supernatural. It could mean the specialists know about it. That's how the referral system in healthcare works. You send to consultants who know more. And if the consultants dont know,they research

Jae, your lies are reaching unprecedented new heights. I can't believe you even lie this much. I said "all doctors admit..." But you're saying I said "all doctors believe. " Why can't you just hold on to truth and stay by it?

I don't have any further arguments to make with you. Just keep lying and deceiving yourself thinking you're deceiving others.

Or, were you not the very person who highlighted my words below? Even if you don't have the fear of God, where is your civility and courtesy?

jaephoenix:
Anyhow you twist it, it's the same thing
And correction,not all doctors believe the supernatural when unexplainable stuff happens. As a doctor,that is malpractice. It's only in backward countries like Nigeria that a doctor can tell a patient that their god has healed them and get away with that. Tell that to a patient in the UK. GMC would have your license in an instant. US state boards would descend on you

So, I am the one twisting it because I told you exactly what I said and asked you if it meant the same thing as what you accused me of?

It is not the job of a doctor to tell a patient a miracle happened. But when the unexplainable happens and the patient asks for explanations from the doctor to no avail, the patient would insinuate it, and the doctor could answer "probably". He will go about asking his senior colleges for answers and when no one can offer him an explanation, he admits it within himself that a miracle just occured.

No one said he'll say it to a parent. I have seen doctors awed at the turn out of events. They cannot explain what happened. They know a miracle occurred.

jaephoenix:
Mr Lie lie,look at the highlighted text

So, by your own understanding of English All doctors admit the supernatural when the unexplainable happens is the same as "all doctors admit the supernatural"? You've seen your lies but you still want to run it on my face?

I've gotten your telegram. Will reach you by tomorrow.

Kindly remove my email from your mention. Thank you.

jaephoenix:
You keep on lying and when you are caught, you change tact. You boldly said all doctors believe in the supernatural. Your lying is getting outta hand. I remember you now in my previous threads. You lie without compuction.
So you don't want to believe anything I post here even when I quote scientific articles? And you don't want to research the articles to conclude. You just want to believe whatever your mind tells you. And then add a sprinkling of lies when you're caught. Tomorrow you'll tell me you're christian
I have sent my telegram

I don't need to read everything you said. Please screenshot where I said All doctors believe in the supernatural. You claimed I said that, and I corrected you. If you insist, please screenshot it and let me see.

I have gone back to read all you said. You you tag me a liar like yourself? I will prove you as the liar today. Just screenshot where I said all doxtors believe in the supernatural.

jaephoenix:
Wait oh. You're saying that all doctors admit the supernatural? So what am I? Do I admit the supernatural? You well so?
So what if I tell you many doctors that DONT PRAY have higher chances of successful surgeries? What do you say? I'm sure you'll ignore this question and run like you have been doing.
Oga which doctors have lower surgical outcomes? Name the hospitals. At least I have my data. I don't pray and I have better outcomes in my procedures. So your god works with or without surgery. Now answer this question.... WHAT IF ONE DOESN'T BELIEVE OR PRAY,DOES HE GET WELL AFTER TREATMENT? Please don't dodge.
Christian doctors pray out of habit. I have seen several Christian doctors pray and end up with mortalities. I have seen an obs and gyne pray during resuscitate of a woman with post partum hemorrhage and she didn't make it. I have seen the same obs and gyne try to resuscitate a woman that had pulmonary embolism after surgery and she still died. In all instances, he prayed and he's a Winner pastor. He is now in Bayelsa. He did his residency in UPTH. I have seen 2 doctors who are pediatricians pray and lose babies. What are you talking about? You're just an outsider that know nothing in medical practice.
So spiritual controls physical? Eeeh. So which spiritual powers are controlling Nigeria?
So you walk in the spiritual realm? Awesome. LordReed cuman see something oh
We have spirit walker amongst us
So tell me,Mr Spirit Walker, what did the spirits tell you today? Are you getting the spirit from a bottle?

I have sent you a mail request. Respond so I can send my telegram handle

I know you'll lie over many things. All you said above cannot be believed. God is the one who works when we pray. Prayer does not force God to work. But it can make Him work. If God decides for a person to die, no prayer can stop it. But if it's the devil that is taking the person's life, then prayers can stop the devil.

I never said all doctors believe in the supernatural. You can choose not to believe it, your ignorance of the truth does not make the truth less a reality. The spiritual controls the physical.

Anyway, I'm done with you. Thanks for your time.

Please send your telegram contact to m

jaephoenix:
Correction,not all doctors admit the supernatural. Even the ones that admit the supernatural are Christians and it doesn't mean it's supernatural. For example, when spontaneous cancer remission(which i used as an example before but u r too blinded to read) happens in a Christian. A Christian doctor would say it's god. But scientifically we know it isn't. It's due to multiple factors which include patient immunity. Also I agree we dont everything about cancer remission,however it's not enough to insert god into that knowledge gap. There was a time we attribute a lot of stuff to god like babies,floods,lightning. In the end science came through
For you to say a scientific journal is lying about peristalsis and mass movement shows how religion has eroded your brain and made it poor.
So if a doctor prays before surgery,it was his prayer that worked. So what or who do we blame if there is an anesthetic issue or hemorrhagic shock or a cardiac arrest leading to death? Do we blame the doc or your god for ignoring the doc?

Why are you changing my words? I repeat All doctors admit the supernatural when the unexplainable happens. And you quickly said the ones that admit the supernatural are Christians and it doesn't mean it's supernatural. You see yourself?

If a doctor pays before surgery, the surgery has a higher chance of success than the ones for which he didn't pray. A doctor who has learnt this by experience will continue praying. Those praying doctors are known to have higher success rates and low mortality rates in their hospitals. They often become popular because of the God factor.
God works according to your belief. If you believe God for healing through a safe surgery, you'll get it. If you believe God for healing without surgery, you'll get it too. I have gotten it many times for myself and for those around me!

The most important thing you've said here now is that some Christian doctors admit the supernatural. But you who KNOW BETTER THAN THEM AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTAND OF THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE THAN THEY THEMSELVES now have the final say on their person professional experiences. You yourself wouldn't even know that you're under a very strong satanic manipulation, yet admitting that the same Satan who is manipulating you does not exist. What an irony? That'd the exact like of an atheist. It a spiritually foolish thing to be an atheist. I do not mean to insult you pls. Just trying to let you see the reality of things. The world is strongly spiritual and you're walking ignorantly thinking everything is physical while the spiritual continues to control your life.

Let me talk you something, anything you have no control over is controlled by someone else. Let that sink please. You have no control over your own line and the experience you have from day to day because someone else controls that aspect your life. Denying it is just too foolish. I just hope you could understand what I'm saying. I'm not insulting you.

See, I have walked thickly in the Reality of the spirit realm. I cannot be arguing with you. It's too condescending.

jaephoenix:
He said he's a Christian, same way you profess to be a Christian. Abi Christian-o-meter dey? The definitive of a Christian is one who follows christ and that's what both of you say. So u saying Ayefele ain't a Christian cos he has an ailment shows how debased u r. I'm sure if I call out many Christians with different diseases, you'll find a way to say they ain't all Christian.
I have told you I'm giving you my telegram handle to post ur prayer. What other options do you want

Smiling. So, you now know who is following Christ and who's not? And where did I tell you that Ayefele is not a Christian because of his ailments? You're not spiritual and Christianity is a spiritual thing. Don't dabble into things you know nothing about. I don't know why you atheists are like this. Always wanting to form authority on subject matters you're completely ignorant of, Even quoting Bible upside down to prove a false point and telling someone who has been reading the Bible back to back for more than 40yrs that he doesn't know the Bible. This is wrong now.

Give me your telegram handle.

jaephoenix:
Oga I know who the bible says a Christian is. By the bible data, Nigerian Christians aren't up to 1% and you're not included in this 1%

Then, why call Ayefele a Christian if you really know who the Bible calls a Christian?

And that I'm not among your 1% is good news. Those 1% you have in your list who don't know Jesus and who have never seen Jesus miracles in their lives should remain with you. I don't belong to that 1%.

Hey, let's have some evidence of God manifesting love to the patients in your hospital. How do we reach them so that God can touch those who deserve His touch?

jaephoenix:
I have shown you my evidence which is a scientific text. You have shown none. Keep arguing
So if doctors pray before treating patients,does it mean it's the prayers that healed the patients? You see how confused you are
Christian scientists won't tell you that a nail that turned in the gut was due to prayers. They won't. They would keep their Christianity one side and conduct research. That's what science is all about

And that's all lies. All doctors admit the supernatural when the unexplainable happens. If that woman has heard a different explanation from the doctors involved, she wouldn't have come on Tik Tok to tell a different story about how prayer helped solve the nail ingestion problem of her baby.

The fact that many Christian doctors pray before treating patients is a sure indicator that they believe in miracles and indeed it does happen.

jaephoenix:
The best scientists may be Christians (even though there are more atheist scientists now) but none of them would attribute any phenomenon to supernatural actions. None!
Did you even read any excerpts from Guyton and Hall that I posted? So you read a scientific article and you're still stuck in 'prayer turn nail' pigheadedness?
You say you're a scientist and you agree that prayers turned a nail? Oh my fvcking days!
This corntree is truly in trouble if truly you're one. No wonder we are backwards scientifically
Science has been at loggerheads with religion
Someone would say he prayed and something happens. Ask them to prove it and it's a problem. Patient would bring a convulsing child at 3am and be praying and disturbing me. I usually tell them to either take the child home and continue with their stvpid prayers or shut up and allow me to do my scientific work. They usually do the later. If truly your god works miracles through medical science,he won't make make medical science very costly that only the rich can afford it
You have no evidence of your god.

I said it's closed.

We talk only evidence. Not argument.

And, take note that I'm not buying the many lies in your response. So many Christian scientists believe in miracles. There are doctors who don't treat patients until they have prayed.

jaephoenix:
Oh really? How do I know you're even a Christian since you don't believe others can be Christians

That's where most people miss it. They think people are Christians just because they profess to be. Please if you want to know who a Christian is, study the Bible.

jaephoenix:
1.He claims he's a Christian
2. He sings gospel songs
What about Cobham? You're denying he's a Christian too? Also i know many like Freky etc who are wheelchair bound. You'll deny them too?

Most who claim christians don't even know anything about Jesus.

jaephoenix:
I used the milieu of a vacuum cos it's an environment that is not affected by external factors like movement (which happens in the gut) and wind. So if we put the nail in that vacuum no other factors like the above listed can impinge then prayers are done. Unfortunately it's difficult discussing science with religious folks cos it seems strange to them just like this is to you. That's why you believe prayers can turn nails
And what do you mean your god ain't a magician? A magician is one with supernatural powers. So if he 'supernaturally' turned a nail then he's a magician. End of
I'm a doctor. And I have explained myself (along with another doctor on this forum) that yes the nail can turn due to gastric motility but we don't take chances cos of the chance of perforation. Our profession works on pragmatism. Somehow this explanations cannot penetrate your religious skull. I have even dropped scientific materials explaining how peristalsis, mass movement move intestinal contents. E no enter your head. You said nobody was expecting the nail to turn but we doctors know and we know other cases where nails turn but no one is taking chances.
Now lemme assume(for the sake of this discussion) that it was her prayers. Was it prayers that turned the nails in other cases too? Those cases weren't even christians. So logically reasoning the claim that prayers turned this particular nail is dead on arrival since it has been proven nails can turn WITHOUT PRAYERS. The mother can claim anything, she is not a scientific person and doesn't understand human physiology.
So all the time I wasted in posting a scientific article on peristalsis, mass movement etc was a waste of time?

I don't have time arguing with you folks anyway. The best scientist in the world are Christians, okay?

And as a scientist myself, I can teach you science. So, rest your boasting.

Peristalsis doesn't do rotation. There's no verified scientific source that says it does. Simple.

I've closed this discussion. I may not.longer respond. It is foolishness for a two legged man to be arguing with a one legged man that men have two legs. If the one legged man believes that men have one leg just because he has one leg, let him. What I can give you is evidence of God. Not argument.

jaephoenix:
I meant the claim that it moved AFTER PRAYERS was not verified. Also the fact this cannot be properly verified is due to the movement of the gut. A good way we verify is if we put the nail in a vacuum and you pray,if if it moves,then we can agree prayers work

Prayers are not magic.

God answers prayers only when there's a problem that is beyond you. Not when there's a problem that you can solve yourself. So, you vacuum analogy does not cut it. You can only use that for a magician.

The issue is that only surgery could save the baby, and that's exactly what doctor's wanted to do. Nobody was expecting anything else. The mother prayed, and the nail turn upside down pass harmlessly through the body's intestine out of her body. It happened ONLY AFTER prayers not before. The mother came to testify online but you sit down here denying her testimony.

Tell me how you'll verify apart from the X-ray? You that even lied that peristalsis can move it when you know that peristalsis can't. You deliberately lied because you're bent on denying the miracle.

jaephoenix:
Give me an example of a HIV patient healed? Those reports are not signed by any doctor that's the point. At least u r educated,if a document isnt signed by an authority, it would not be credible and not admitted in court. Anyone can forge any document.
There are many stricken Christian celebrities eg Cobhams Asuquo,Yinka Ayefele etc. How come they ain't been healed despite copious healing news we get everyday? If they are healed,then that would be a good evidence for miracles cos their ailments have been well documented,one is blind and the other paraplegic

You guys don't understand many things. Who told you that Ayefele is a Christian celebrity? Is it because he sings some Christian songs?

jaephoenix:
I'll play it for them

Where will you get it? How will.you receive it?

jaephoenix:
Again,I can't drop my number for you. Deeply sorry,but I barely know you.
However, u can create prayer notes and I play it for the patients. How's that sound

How would the patients receive the prayer notes?

jaephoenix:
This is science. It has been tested and can be retested anywhere,anytime and anyhow and they'd still work. Can we say the same for those healed of HIV? No. Why do you think no doctor has come out to back any claims of healing from pastors? Cos they all turn to be lies. Simple

Yes we can say the same for those healed of HIV. Some bring their medical reports to the altar. Even science was created by God.

God specializes in things science cannot do.

jaephoenix:
Was your claims that the nail moved verified by anyone? No. Was the claims that stem cells heal HIV verified? Yes.
That's the difference. Science works by verifiable evidence

The claim that the nail moved was not verified by anyone? Even with all X-ray evidence?

You atheists live by denial. Simple.

When verified reports are presented for things pertaining to God, you deny it, but if presented by science, you'll quickly embrace it.

LordReed:
My first question to you in this thread was:



Why would you try to say otherwise?

It was an irrelevant question because nono one ever said Foreign objects move only by prayers in the body. You blatantly rejected the fact that the object moved only AFTER prayers but believed without questioning that HIV was cured AFTER applying stem cells.

LordReed:
Nope that's not how atheists behave. You are just being flippant.

The question I would ask is how can we verify that this is true.

Nope. You don't ask such questions. You always try to let the narrator see his own personal experiences as fake.