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Disinfectant123:
I could say the same with other historians and scientist

Why not research as directed, and come back here.

Go research Isaiah 37, Isaiah 45 and the prophecies of Daniel - history written in advance.

Or find out how the Bible wac ahead of it's time in scientific declarations.

If you cannot research, it's alright. Just don't mention me spewing more ignorance. I won't respond.

Disinfectant123:
Again something mentioned inside the bible verse, its not valid.

You must be very ignorant.

Both historians and scientists would vehemently disagree with you.

lightwind:
Is that what he told you, or did you read that from his police statement

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It's in the news here on Nairaland. The son who was in the same car with others narrated the events leading to the crash. It is said that, what the son narrated corroborates what the father wrote in police statement.

brunobaba:
If the driver was actually one of them, would they arrest and convict him
Wetin black man dey do black man ehn!!!

Sure, since he's also a witness.

givedemwotowoto:
I didn't know about that. Which still means "Involuntary manslaughter" because he wasn't supposed to operate a car if he knew the car had brake issues, let alone speed with it.

No. The break failed on the highway. Had no prior issues.

lightwind:
Is this the hediot that killed those innocent handsome men 😥😥😌

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He had break faiiure. He was trying to regain control of the car and park it safely when he rammed into a dangerously parked truck

givedemwotowoto:
When you fight someone and your punch kills them, that's manslaughter. You didn't plan to kill them but you did. In his case, it's involuntary because he could've also died, he couldn't have intended to kill himself unless otherwise proven, he was being reckless with everyone's life including his, so I'd say involuntary

He had break faiiure. According to accounts, he lamented about it in the car before the crash.

Cmanforall:
It was overspeeding. Any forensic expert can see that.

A truck was stationary, if he had not been Onondaga a high speed, he would have noticed that truck on time, and should he eventually hit the truck, the impact would have been on the car and not be this fatal.

However, Nigerian drivers, especially those driving with escorts, usually think the road belongs to them, and therefore pay less attention to some details

Be had break faiiure. He announced it in the car before the crash.

Kingpele:
The guy was careless period..if u are a trained driver ,u should know that u can only overtake a vehicle infront if and only if there's no obstruction in your front expect the vehicle u are about to overtake...but otherwise u should slow down and fall in line until you are free to overtake...running into a stationery truck is the height of negligence as far as driving is concerned....I just pity the man sha...because AJ is just lucky he's sitting at the back of the drivers seat...because is only natural for the driver to try at all cost to save his own life during this kind of chaos

.he had break failure according to accounts.

jaephoenix:
1.So to you,the Causer of all things isn't a god?
So what makes your own favorite Yhwh,both the Causer and god?
2.Oga,for the umpteenth time,you haven't brought evidence that there is something happening at this supernatural frequency.
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No, Earth's distance from the Sun isn't "perfect" because its orbit is an ellipse, not a circle, meaning the distance changes (about 3 million miles closer in January, farther in July), but this variation is small (around 3-7%) and doesn't cause major climate shifts; instead, Earth's position is considered "good enough" for life, falling within the habitable zone, though it's not necessarily the absolute optimal, as the Sun's gradual brightening will eventually push Earth out of this zone in billions of years.
Also humans can survive with air oxygen levels of 19% and up to 22%. We are adaptable creatures. So it's not a fine tuned environment for living,and it's undergoing change as we chat and argue.
Water's unique properties enables life and so does other liquids. Water in the wrong part of the body can spell death. So it's not a function of water being perfect for us, it's a function of us being perfect for water.

And for the umpteenth time,what experiences are you talking about? Tell us about it. Remember anyone can pop up and fib stories. It's what we are seeing from your ilk like Adeboye,Lords Chosen etc.

I'm putting it to you that the the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all things,including your god. It's written in the scriptures.

I asked you a question. Do you believe in invisible unicorns

Jaephoenix, go and read Isaiah 37. Then research the extra biblical accounts of the same events narrated in Isaiah 37. When you're done. Return here.

Or just ask this question of AI: "Is there any evidence outside the Bible for the events of Isaiah 37?"

I.kkow that you're deliberately rebellious. Atheism is actually rebellion. That's why, even after you have been educated to know that there's so much yet unknown of our world and the universe, you still maintain your absolute claims of "there's no God". But, you'll not be here forever, and some day, you'll see things for yourself. If God favors you this year, we'll meet, and when we do, something will surely happen on your insides.

jaephoenix:
The universe is not an intelligent or perfect scenario. Neither is the human body perfect. I don't know how many times I'll tell you that. Please educate yourself
So how do you know every human have a god leaning? What's your proof?

And I don't know how many times I have told you that imperfections do not negate the existence of a Creator.

Virtually everything man creates is imperfect, does that make man non existent?

jaephoenix:
Yhwh does not condone freewill. It's a myth promoted by Christians when Yhwh clearly trample on freewill of several people in the bible like the Pharaoh, Job,Nehemiah etc. Freewill is an excuse Christians give to put their god out of scrutiny but they pray every day for their god to change the heart of their bosses, spouses, governors,presidents etc thereby disrupting the freewill of those folks listed. It's really funny. Also how is there freewill if an all knowing god already knows what we're gonna do? Does it make sense? And finally, let's just assume for the purpose of this discussion that yhwh allows freewill. Then why punish humans for exercising this freewill? It's just like a dad telling his toddler"u can eat ice cream or rice but if you eat rice,imma punish u" of course the child ice cream since rice carries a punishment.

Also how come your god doesn't intervene even when man intensively seeks his help. Example is Nigeria. This is the most prayerful Christian country in the world according to research. Think about it. Does it mean your god doesn't give a fvckkk about prayers?

If God tramples on freewill, no one will do evil. Everyone would be zombies. Even you wouldn't be able to spew all the blasphemies you do spew. God doesn't want zombies. He wants humans who can deliberately take actions and take responsibility for their actions.

jaephoenix:
Stop tryna twist and conjure up a mental gymnastics. It's stated there that he created evil. So the evil deeds you're talking about was created by the dude. Also if yhwh created everything in the world,how did evil come in? Are you saying he didn't know how it came up or he was usurped?

Evil for the wicked. Good for the righteous.

All actions are justly retributed because God created reward systems for both good deeds and bad deeds.

jaephoenix:
You're just making this thing painful for yourself.
Who created Satan? Yhwh! Is Yhwh omniscient? Yes! So why did he create Satan,a being he knew would bring in evil into the world and corrupt his angels and humans?
When you say god has a rescue plan,do you mean flooding the world? Because an all knowing god would not flood the world if he knew sin would comeback. If he knew sin would return,why flood the world in the first place? What was the point?

Vehicle manufacturers know that cars do have accidents, yet they keep creating them.

MaxInDHouse:
God looked at everything he had made. And he saw that everything was very good. There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

From the above scripture it's evident that God never created anything evil purposely rather it's humans who started using the good things God created for their evil intentions.

Cain used either a stone or metal to kill Abel making these things evil as if God created them for hurting our neighbors.

Nebuchadnezzar tried to use fire to kill Shadrach, Meshak and Abednego as if it was created for that purpose.

Well the Creator who made all the gasses that formed fire intervened and for the first time in the history of mankind it was recorded that fire refused to supply heat rather it became air conditioner for the servants of the true God.

Light and Darkness was created by this same Person so when He was dealing with the Egyptians for their cruelty towards His people God made three days passed without the sun supplying light in Egypt whereas there is light in other places.

So the import of Isaiah 45:7 is that God has control over anything evil enemies of God's servants may think of because He created everything.

May you have peace!🙂

That darkness for the Egyptians was part of God's judgement on them.

jaephoenix:
Another day,another scam. Ask this scamster to get proof of healing,and you'll hear excuses

We will meet someday this year, jaephoenix! I'll plan you into my itenerary.

Antichristian2:
Was there any external record of Herod killing such large number of babies? No, there's no independent historical evidence that King Herod ordered the Massacre of the Innocents (killing babies in Bethlehem to find Jesus); the story appears only in the Gospel of Matthew and is considered by most scholars to be theological folklore, possibly inspired by other tales of tyrannical rulers and Herod's known cruelty, but not historically verified by figures like Josephus.

We ought to know what he did as a man. Or is he not a man? Not a script written by unknown authors! You see someone possing as Jesus's disciple Matthew writting about Jesus going to Egypt to fit into a narration from the old testament. Luke, Mark and John were not aware of Jesus's going to Egypt! No be juju be that?

Where is the evidence for this your lie? Was there a time Christians and Jews were using the Gospel of Thomas as a General scripture? Was the Gospel of Thomas translated to Arabic? If yes, when was it first translated to Arabic? Muhammad is unlettered and can not read! You said he had access to Christian Books! What books? Who were their authors? Name the Books?

Seems your lies has reached another level!

For Herod's massacre, read from here: https://biblearchaeology.org/research/new-testament-era/2411-the-slaughter-of-the-innocents-historical-fact-or-legendary-fiction.

Then, ask yourself why Herod is known as Herod the Wicked, the Villain.

What He did as a man is recorded in the Bible. If you want to know any more, start relating with Him.

On the book of Thomas. Just go and compare that book with the stories about Jesus in your Quran. Mohammed wasn't inspired.

LordReed:
You literally:



You literally acquiesced to the universe being a "being" which we wouldn't be able to fathom. Yet you claim the god sent you his son to die for your sin.

Fact is the word god is meaningless which is why you can prevaricate like a dying man grasping for straws.

I acquiesced to the universe being a bring and then concluded with "no one can tell". It's alright.

vicmed1:
Very bad indeed. He doesn't have a wife?

This man is not strong enough to rape anybody now. I suspect the woman surrendered to him but lied she was raped when the deed was exposed.

Antichristian2:
[/quote]Where can we find this 3years? If it is related to one unclear Prophecy from the OT i know it will be found in the Synoptic Gospels.

Herod killed babies 3 years and younger just to apprehend Baby Jesus. Get it? All that while, Jesus was in Egypt.

There's nothing to learn from his interactions with the people for all those years? cool Its okay o!

What do you want to learn more about from what is already recorded. We have all we need to get the salvation He brought. The Bible is not a book of mere stories. It is a book of the stories of man's fall, man's degradation, God's plan of salvation and God's execution of that plan.

Jesus' stories that were necessary: God promised salvation true a Son that'll be born of a virgin. The virgin appeared during the days of Herod. The Son was born. Satan attempted to stop Him. God protects His vessel of Salvation. He grew up a holistic child. Demonstrated He was not a mere man. Gave His life on the cross to fulfil the promise of salvation that God had made.

What else would you like to know?

I don't know any Gospel of Thomas. Is Gospel of Thomas available in Arabia as at the time of the Prophet? You don't even need evidence to tell lies! It comes freely!

Hey, you must be ignorant. Many Christians and Jews surrounded Mohammed in his days. The Gospel of Thomas was in circulation among some Christians. One of Mohammed's cousins even got converted into Christianity from Islam during the days of Mohammed himself. Mohammed had access to Christian books. The Gospel of Thomas included.

DeepSight:
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Interesting submission.
But it does say he creates evil. Not just judge what is evil.

When you read Isaiah 38:22-23, you'll find God said He created those evils and stored them against the day of war.

The day of war means the days of judgement. God's war is God's judgement. God's judgement is God's war.

DeepSight:
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What then would you say of manifest evil in nature which man has no part in?

Before man existed, animal predators existed so you cant blame predatory nature on man. Mosquitoes existed. Diseases existed. Dinosaurs had cancer and this has been proven with science. Natural disasters exist which dont discriminate. Tragedy and misery are inherent to the world even if you remove man from the equation.

The Bible has an answer for that but it's a broad topic which I'll just summarize.

Satan is the source of all manifest evil. He was in the world before man. In fact, man was created as an instrument of judgement for Satan. This is the reason why Satan hates man with fervent hatred.

Satan was in heaven with God, and then aspired to overthrow his Maker. He was a special being. A masterpiece of God's creative expertise. His frame made him proud and arrogant. He then schemed against God and was cast down here to earth from heaven. Then the "...the earth became without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." God then decided to restore the earth, but He created animals before man.

God's purpose for restoring the earth was to create man from dust, and make that dust rule Satan in eternal humiliation. So, God created man and made him the Sovereign on the same earth where Satan dwelt. Satan couldn't stand the humiliation, so he schemed to snatch the Sovereignty away from man. Satan succeeds and became the god of this world. God didn't interfere because man as sovereign has the final say on whatever he does in the world. If man has decided to exchange positions with Satan, then, so be it.

Satan reigned from a position of authority over the world, and began to multiply evils as he pleased.

Furthermore, how can an omniscient God create a world which he knows will end up in evil and punish man for the evil he knew was inherent in what he created?

A creator, surely is responsible for the evil he created. The created being cant be the one responsible. I know you will divert to freewill, which is highly questionable.

No, not freewill.

God knew evil will come because man would fail, but nonetheless, God's purpose for man as His medium of punishment for Satan must be fulfilled. However, God also has a rescue plan for man to restore him to his initial position of Sovereignty after giving Satan enough time to repent.

God is not punishing man for any evil. This is a misunderstanding. Instead, God is punishing Satan for his evils. Man would be exonerated if he comes into God's provision for his exoneration.

God wants to cleanse the earth, remove Satan and stop all evils. The earth would then continue eternally as was originally planned - evil free. However, man needs to be cleansed so that the evils of that old world would not be carried over into the reordered world by human carriers.

So, cleansed humans who are of no threat to the new world would pass over into the new world. Satan is absent. God has devised a new form of punishment for him - everlasting fire. In the absence of Satan and human carriers of evil, Good and righteousness continue forever in the new world.

God is not punishing man for any evil in the world, otherwise, He wouldn't make provisions for his cleansing. Men who reject the cleansing are considered a threat to the new world God is establishing, and must therefore be ridded out by quarantining them in the same place where all evils are quarantined.

If antichristian2 understands this plan of God, he'll see the reason why Islam missed it, and also understand why Satan has to deny that Jesus died. Jesus's death is for man's cleansing which is a huge threat to Satan. Satan has to deny it because that's the only way he can stop men from being cleansed.

God intentionally created the world. The world would continue as planned but Satan must be out, men must be cleansed. Then, righteousness reigns forever and ever.

DeepSight:
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Have you read Isaiah 45:7? KJV.

Isaiah 45:7 is talking of God's place as Judge. The good are created to reward good works, and the evils are created to judge evil.deeds. A judge creates death and life. That does not make the judge a good man or a bad man. God is Judge. You can do what you like as per your sovereignty but you cannot determine the retribution that would come unto you afterwards. Every cause has an effect which could be either good or bad, and they're all the creations of God.

DeepSight:
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This is well said and appreciated. I find it hard though, considering the evil of the world inherent in creation - or whatever we call this strange and contradictory reality.

It isn't contradictory. You just need to understand that God created the world for man and to be under the total control of man without any external inference. God created man as a totalitarian over the world. Whatever man permits for this world is man's choice for the world, and God does not interfere except when His intervention is deliberately sought.

You actually need to start relating with God to understand that man allowed the evils he's seeding in his world, and are majorly orchestrated by man himself. God does not interfere in man's leadership of the world. Man can enjoy whatever he created for himself if he considers it good for himself. God does not interfere except when invited, or when He decides to intervene occasionally for special reasons.

Man is a Sovereign over the world, and that sovereignty is respected by God.

DeepSight:
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Very well said.

In these things, I align with you.

But please here is my own: how do you cross from a cause to a personal, concerned, loving and good God?

The truth is that, knowing that there's a Cause is a good starting point especially if the intelligent order of things around you is not sufficient enough to convince you. Then, there's the Cause option to explore.

God is not hiding away. He is there in nature, in your conscience and in your intuition. Every human naturally have a leaning towards an unseen supernatural Being. Atheists work hard to shut down this intuition in themselves. Every human has that sense of God in his heart.

Now, when you genuinely seek to find and to know this God, and make all necessary efforts to find Him, He'll naturally draw you to Himself. He'll help you to differentiate between Himself and the myriads of fake gods out there. It all starts with desire. Over time, if you seek God sincerely, no matter where you are coming from, He'll draw you to Himself.

jaephoenix:
You said the the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't make sense,then next thing u call it god.

I didn't call it god. I said if it's the Causer of all things.... This is one one the readings why I don't like engaging you because you never stand on truth.

A theist tryna argue logic with atheists? Interesting
Someone that believes in talking donkeys and bushes,mass zombie resurrections,sun and moon standing still is claiming to be logical? Your dealer is good.

That may be beyond you. That they can't happen at your frequency doesn't mean they cannot happen at a supernatural frequency. I wouldn't want to educate you on all those because I won't digress.

What things around us was calibrated? I'm waiting....

Are you this ignorant? Even screening 'I'm waiting' as if what I said is a farce.

Let me briefly educate you about the Anthropic Principle - The idea that the universe's fundamental constants (gravity, speed of light, etc.) are "fine-tuned" or calibrated for life on Earth.

Examples:
- Earth's distance from the Sun: Just right for liquid water.
- Oxygen levels: Perfect for life as we know it .
- Water's unique properties: H2O's quirks enable life

Go and make further research. There are many more. Go research and educate yourself.

You say our world is a spec of dust and we don't know much. So how come you are confident that you yourself know anything?

We don't know much but when we touch unnatural frequencies, we experience more. And those of us who have tasted the more can confidently tell you what you don't know. Your denials and rejections cannot delete our experiences.

But, at least we all know there's a Cause. And we call that Cause God, while you illogically say you don't know what the Cause is, therefore no God.

Answer this question. DO YOU BELIEVE THE the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of the universe? And why

If your flying spaghetti monster means the Causer of all things, then yes. If it means something else, then no. You can call the Cause of all things whatever you like as long as you acknowledge that you're referring to the Entity that caused all things to exist.

Call Him what you like but you can never tell me that all that exists was caused by nothing.

jaephoenix:
You saying you don't know doesn't make one stvvpid, it actually makes one smart. If you say we cant see beyond a point,how do you know there is something beyond that spectrum? Ok,let's assume there's a creator. Which one outta the 1000s gods claim should we believe and why

If you've said you don't know, then no one would query you, but to say "No God" means you know. You know absolutely that there's no God.

Meanwhile, what you don't know is infinitely more voluminous than what you know.

You contradict yourself when you say you don't know and turn back to say there's no God

I wouldn't go into any detailed arguments with you because I can see clearly that you atheists don't want to be logical at all. If what you know is infinitesimally small considered to what you need to know, how can you talk in absolutes?

Your flying spaghetti monster mockery doesn't make any sense too. If the flying spaghetti monster is what you call the cause of all things, then, though it's invisible, then it's God. What we mean by God is not anything other than the Causer of all things because it is indisputable that there's a Cause for everything that exists.

There are things all around us that couldn't have happened or exist by accident. There are some that even require very precise calibrations to keep the earth in shape. You can't come and tell me that such numerous instances of precise calibrations were accidental. Atheism is practical nonesene. That's why most scientists don't subscribe to it.

Our world is just like a spec of dust in an ocean in comparison to the universe. We don't even have the knowledge of everything that exists in our world as we humans can only perceive things within certain frequencies. There are frequencies that we know nothing about, and which our instruments cannot detect. Then, there's the vast universe of which our knowledge is 0% approximately.

You,a tiny spec of dust in the scheme of things with all your limited capabilities to perceive cannot rise up to talk in absolutes. It's practically illogical. Very unwise.

The best you can do is to say "I don't know" and keep investigating. The moment you claim there's no God, you've already crossed the threshold of balanced reasoning because you don't know what exists within the frequencies you're unaware of, neither do you know what exists in the universe trillions of light years away.

Disinfectant123:
So WHY can he not reveal himself to me? Which evidence?

He is not in.your realm and does not believe to your frequency. He has revealed ways you can use to approach Him.vut you rejected them.

Disinfectant123:
Mate if an all present god cannot provide the smallest evidence of him existing then why should anyone worship him?

Look around you, His evidence are everywhere around you. Nothing you see around you came into existence by accident. An intelligent programmer programmed them into being, and that includes your body.

Disinfectant123:
You worship jesus/God all Im asking is that you should PROVIDE at least some evidence that he exists. Not some "miracle" (which you seemingly thank god but not the doctor?)

No one provided evidence for me before I found Him. You can search Him too if you desire to know the truth. I do not owe you any evidence.

DeepSight:
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The thing is also that there were hundreds of such writings, also the councils where these things were decided were a few centuries later and not by the said persecuted Christian sects but by powers and bishops set up under Roman authority after Christianity had become the State Religion of Rome courtesy of Constantine the Great.

My brother, all what the council compiled is the Roman Catholic Bible.

And a few hundred years after the writings of a book is not enough to loose the sense of its authorship.

The Roman Catholic Church selected their books but the real Christians had theirs. The Eastern Orthodox Church for example was not part of what the Roman Catholics cooked. The Council of Nicea itself selected the New Testament books with rules. Only books written by the Apostles or their disciples were canonized (And they had knowledge of the books that were and were not in this category). Every other book was contemned.

Right from the days of the first writings of the new testaments, the writers of each book were known among the Christians. It wasn't hard for the council to decide what to be canonized and what shouldn't be.

Disinfectant123:
Thats the thing lmao
How do you worship a thing that you are not sure that exists?

No, I know what I worship.

I operate at a frequency you cannot perceive because you cannot bring yourself to the exercise of the tasks that could make you perceive God.