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MaxInDHouse:
TRINITY is the topic please if you don't know where it's written in God's word i'm OK with that there is no need changing the topic of discussion!

Do you know that the Lordship of Jesus as that of Yahweh is the core of the Trinity argument?


Kindly answer the questions.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK if you can't QUOTE TRINITY in the Bible there's no need changing the topic.

Can you quote witness or kingdom hall in the Bible?

I have explained Trinity in my OP. You just need to pray for divine illumination on your soul, If you just do that, your eyes will open because the scales will fall off.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Please help me ask him why his organisation is filled with child abusers

Abi, he must answer why his organization abuses children like the pagans do.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala jàre since it's not written in the Bible God warned His worshipers not to copy anything from pagans:


The Lord your God will cut off before you the nations you are about to invade and dispossess. But when you have driven them out and settled in their land, and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” ‭Deuteronomy 12:29-30 NIV

So if Trinity is not found among God's people but history reveals that it's pagan traditions i rest my case!

So, the Lord your God that iis cutting off the nations you are about to invade is one Lord, and the one who saves is another Lord?

MaxInDHouse:
Prove wetin?
Ọmọ it's prove prove prove that led to thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so continue proving yours that's another religion on its way all in the name of TRINITY.
Jesus has given faithful people the saving grace! Matthew 7:15-20
So i don't need to prove anything at least i know TRINITY is nowhere to be found in God's word that's enough for me!

Jesus gave His faithful people the saving Grace? I thought Jesus is not God. How can Jesus give His faithful people the saving Grace when the Bible says "In the Lord God Jehovah is Salvation. "

Keep whining yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
Scriptures can be misconstrued as you wish to interpret it to suit whatever you want to believe first let the scripture mention the word then the rest will be how to convince the listener why it has to be so but claiming something that's not mentioned in God's word and to worsen the matter it's known among ancient pagan traditions.
Haba! Think about it nah!

Prove the misconstrued Scriptures. That will suffice much more than all the noise.

MaxInDHouse:
OK i understand you better now so there is no reason to condemn any pagan tradition since all were photocopies of what is practiced in heaven!

Except photocopies and counterfeits are the same things as originals in your dictionary.

MaxInDHouse:
Just QUOTE the word "TRINITY" in any version of your choice and save yourself the stress of all these epistles!

Interestingly, the images you uploaded confirm that the Trinity is indeed a Godly doctrine, because what satan does on earth is to counterfeit whatsoever is done in heaven.

Image123:
i wish you good luck brother. You are literally speaking to blocks.

We will tell them the truth and leave them to it. The end will tell. Thank you brother. You have also tried.

MaxInDHouse:
Just QUOTE the word "TRINITY" in any version of your choice and save yourself the stress of all these epistles!

The day you understand these Scriptures below, that day is the day your eyes will open.

Proverbs 25:2
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings"

Deuteronomy 29:29
“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things which are revealed and disclosed belong to us and to our children forever.

1 Corinthians 2:10
"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God."

If you are still looking for the surface things of Scripture, keep searching for the word Trinity. If you are looking for things beneath the surface-the deep things of God, read what you called an epistle above.

Skeptic: But the Bible says Jesus is a prophet. Even Muslims accept Him as prophet, nothing more.

Reply: If Jesus is only a prophet, then explain Hebrews 1:3. It says: “The Son is the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person.”
Now pause. When Moses asked to see God, God said: “You cannot see my face, for no man shall see me and live” (Exodus 33:20). God only allowed Moses to see His back as His glory passed by (Exodus 33:22–23).
Ezekiel too, when he saw the throne of God, all he could describe was the likeness of the glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 1:28).
Yet Hebrews tells us plainly: Jesus IS that very Glory. If God’s Glory is God, and Jesus is God’s Glory, then who exactly is Jesus? A prophet? Or the very God men tremble to behold?

Skeptic: But the Old Testament shows the Lord God Almighty, while the New Testament shows Jesus as Lord. Maybe there are two Lords?

Reply: No. The Bible does not allow that. Ephesians 4:5 says: “There is one Lord.”
Now notice this: Throughout the Old Testament, God is called “The LORD” (Exodus 6:2–3, Deuteronomy 6:4). But in the New Testament, when the disciples write or preach, the title “Lord” is used almost exclusively for Jesus (Acts 2:36, 1 Corinthians 12:3, Philippians 2:11).
So if there is only one Lord in all heaven and earth, then the Old Testament LORD and the New Testament Lord Jesus are the same Person. The Bible didn’t say “two Lords.” The God of Abraham = the Lord Jesus.

Skeptic: But Jesus Himself said “Before Abraham was, I was.” That just means He existed before Abraham, not that He is God.

Reply: Wrong. Read it carefully. Jesus did not say “I was”. He said: “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58).
Do you catch the weight of those words? “I was” would have only meant pre-existence. But “I AM” is the exact Name God revealed to Moses at the burning bush: “I AM THAT I AM” (Exodus 3:14).
Jesus was not claiming He existed earlier. He was declaring timeless, eternal self-existence. A property that belongs only to God. That’s why the Jews immediately took up stones to kill Him — they understood He was making Himself equal with God.

Skeptic: But if Jesus is God, why does Paul say in Corinthians that we are being changed from glory to glory by looking into the Word?

Reply: 2 Corinthians 3:18 says: [b]“But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory…”
And John 1:1,14 already tells us that Jesus is the Word. So when you behold the Word, you are beholding Christ.
That transformation “from glory to glory” is only possible because Jesus Himself is the Glory of God. If He was just a prophet, He couldn’t make men take on the very image of God.

That Scripture in 2 Corinthians 3 first emphasized Moses face carrying God's Glory after He beheld the Presence of God on the Mountain for 40 days. The Israelites could not behold his face because of the Glory. They had to put a veil on his face so he could talk to people. Now, 2 Corinthians 3 is telling us that the same thing happens to us when we behold the Word of God. Because, the Word we behold which is Jesus, is the same personality that Moses beheld on the mountain. Moses' face held increasing levels of Glory for beholding God's Presence. We also attract increasing levels of Glory for beholding God's Word which is Jesus. Hence the same person whom Moses beheld is the same person we are beholding each time we behold the Word. What happened to Moses will therefore happen to us. We get transformed from Glory to Glory the same way Moses was transformed. This is in tandem with John 1:1 that says "The Word was God."

Skeptic: But Jesus prayed to the Father. That shows He can’t be God.

Reply: And when Jesus prayed in John 17:5, what did He say? “And now, O Father, glorify me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
Again, the word glory. He wasn’t asking for something new. He was reclaiming the very eternal glory He shared with the Father before creation. No prophet dares to say this. Moses, Elijah, Isaiah — none of them ever said they shared the Father’s eternal glory. That belongs to God alone.

In Isaiah 42:8, God says:

"I am the LORD! That is my name! I will not share my glory with anyone else..."

So, if Jesus is not God Himself, how dare He request for the Glory that belongs only to the Father?

Skeptic: But maybe the word “Lord” in the New Testament just means “master” or “sir,” not God.

Reply: If that were true, then Thomas was blaspheming in John 20:28 when he fell before Jesus and cried: “My Lord and my God!” Notice — Jesus did not correct him. Instead, He blessed those who would believe the same without seeing.
Philippians 2:10–11 seals it: “At the name of Jesus every knee should bow… and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Bowing the knee is reserved for God alone (Isaiah 45:23). Yet here the whole universe bows to Jesus. That makes Him none other than God.

Conclusion:
From Moses who only saw God’s back, to Ezekiel who saw only glory, to Hebrews saying Jesus is that Glory, to Paul affirming one Lord, to Jesus declaring “I AM,” to Thomas confessing “My Lord and my God” — the Scriptures are not vague.
Jesus is not “a prophet.” He is I AM, the one Lord, the Glory of God. The very God of Abraham revealed in flesh.

Objection (Non-Trinitarians):
The Trinity is a man-made doctrine. The Scriptures never explicitly state that God is three in one. The Father alone is God; Jesus is His servant or Son, and the Spirit is merely His power.

Answer (Truth of Scripture):
It is true that the Bible does not present the Trinity in a single verse, like a dictionary definition. Yet, throughout Scripture, God reveals Himself in a progressive and interconnected manner. The Trinity is not a human invention—it is the unavoidable conclusion when one follows the testimony of God’s own Word. Let us examine certain unique scriptures often neglected in this discussion.

1. The Throne of God and the Lamb

In Revelation 4, John sees a throne in heaven occupied by the Almighty. In Revelation 7:17, however, this same throne is described as being shared with the Lamb. Two Persons, yet one throne. If this were simply symbolic, it would have been clearer to keep them separate. Instead, the Lamb sits where only God sits.

Literal Standard Version

"...because the Lamb that [is] in the midst of the throne will feed them, and will lead them to living fountains of waters, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

2. The First and the Last — God or Christ?

Isaiah 44:6 records the words of Yahweh: “I am the First and I am the Last; apart from Me there is no God.” Yet, in Revelation 22:13, Jesus declares: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

If Yahweh alone is the First and the Last, and Jesus also claims that title, then either Jesus is committing blasphemy—or He is Yahweh Himself. We have only these two options, if Jesus is not committing blasphemy, then He is Yahweh Himself.

This same passage further states: “I am He who was, and is, and is to come, the Almighty” (Rev. 1:8 ). In verse 17, Jesus repeats the exact words: “I am the First and the Last.” The inference is inescapable: the Almighty and Jesus speak with the same eternal self-identity.

3. The Glory of God — Is Jesus that Glory?

When Moses asked to see God, he was told: “You cannot see My face… but you shall see My back as My Glory passes by” (Exodus 33:18–23). Similarly, when Ezekiel saw God on His throne, all he beheld was the likeness of the Glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 1:28).

Now, Hebrews 1:3 says: “The Son is the radiance of God’s Glory and the exact representation of His being.” Paul also teaches: “We all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s Glory, are being transformed into His image with ever-increasing Glory” (2 Corinthians 3:18).

So, if God’s Glory is God Himself revealed, and Jesus is called the Glory of God, then who is Jesus? He is not merely a messenger—He is the very Glory of God manifested in flesh.

4. The One Lord of Both Testaments

The Old Testament constantly repeats: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One” (Deut. 6:4). Notice, The Lord is One. Meaning there is no other Lord. Only The Lord, There is no Lord any other thing. Yahweh is called the Lord God Almighty. Yet Ephesians 4:5 affirms: “There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism.”

Now, in the New Testament, the exclusive title Lord is applied to Jesus Christ. For instance, “No one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12:3). If there is only one Lord, and Jesus is constantly called Lord, then the Lord of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament are the same Person.

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is called The Lord - a definite article. Jesus is not called a Lord or just Lord. He is called The Lord. Which Lord? The One Lord of cause.

5. Before Abraham Was, I Am

Jesus did not say: “Before Abraham was, I was.” which is the correct and most logical way to talk as a man who has existed before Abraham. But, that would only suggest pre-existence. Instead, Jesus said: “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58). The Jews perfectly understood what non-Trinitarians cannot understand. They knew what He meant, for they picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy—He was claiming the same eternal Name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14: “I AM THAT I AM.”

Only God can say, “I Am.” Jesus is not a created being. He is the I Am, eternally existing from everlasting to everlasting.

6. The Spirit — Spirit of God or Spirit of Christ?

Romans 8:9 says: “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” Notice that the same Spirit is interchangeably called the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Paul did not say “two Spirits”—it is the one Spirit (Eph. 4:4), belonging equally to God and Christ.

Thus, the Spirit is not merely “God’s power.” He is the divine Person proceeding from both the Father and the Son, uniting believers with God Himself.

7. Rebuttal Shield — The “Servant” Argument

Non-Trinitarians argue: “But Jesus said, ‘The Father is greater than I.’ Does that not prove He is lesser than God?”

Answer: Scripture speaks of Jesus in two ways—His eternal divine nature, and His incarnate human nature. In Philippians 2:6–7, we are told that though He was in very nature God, He emptied Himself and took the form of a servant. In His humanity, He humbled Himself under the Father. But in His divinity, He remains equal with the Father from eternity. He speaks both as man and as God because both natures resided in Him. Hence, these truths must be held together.

You do a great disservice to the Person of Christ when you hold one of His natures and reject the other. Both natures explicitly appear in Scripture.

Final Statement

From throne to Glory, from Lordship to the Spirit, the Scriptures leave us no room for the simplistic claim that “the Trinity is man-made.” The testimony is consistent: the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God. Yet, not three Gods, but One God.

The revelation of the Trinity is not a philosophical invention—it is the self-disclosure of Yahweh in the Old Testament, fully unveiled in Christ and His Spirit in the New.

If you say Jesus is only God and not man, you are committing a great fallacy berceuse that is not the complete Bible. Similarly, if you say Jesus is only man and not God, you are committing a great fallacy as well because that is not the only thing the Scriptures say about Jesus. When the complete Bible is upheld as truth, you cannot but come to terms with the fact that Jesus is both God and man, and that the Spirit of God is the same as the Spirit of Christ. If you believe the whole of the Bible to be God's Word, then the doctrine of the Trinity is a Bible Truth.

CC: Ken4Christ, Image123, Gabrielshow24, TenQ

FreeStuffsNG:
In the meantime, deaths from starvation continue to mount – every day.
-Haaretz Magazine


And the world looks on. Smh.
Btw, Haaretz is a leading Isreali newspaper. This is not a report by Al-jazeera o.

Hamas is the enemy of the Palestinians. Why can't they release the hostages and allow their people to be free?

Hamas is wicked!

Your people are starving to death but you prefer them to die than to release hostages.

God1000:
This is heartbreaking, Israel is deliberately starving Palestinians to death


Imagine what the hypocritical america would have done to any country aiding and abetting such genocide, but they see nothing wrong in this

Palestinians also deliberately holding Israelis to death. Imagine the hypocritical God1000 who never asks Hamas to release people's loved ones held by Hamas but is asking Israel to forget the hostages and look away.

Ken4Christ:
I am beginning to wonder if you are born again and filled with the Holy Spirit.

My brother, he's not a Christian. Stop discussing scriptures with him. Instead, preach to him, perhaps God will save his heart. He needs Jesus in His life.

You can see how he rubbished the reliance on the Holy Spirit for scripture interpretation. No believer talks like that. And, there are many other statements of his that gave him out.

Preach the word to him. Tell him to give his life to Christ. I do not see him as a Christian. I stopped all discussions with him because of this and his lack of good comprehension of discourses.

I'll create a thread next week on this same issue and mention you also.

God bless you my brother. God bless Boomark too.

Image123:
Well said brother. i wonder if Boomark is deliberately deceiving himself by manually scoring himself. One would imagine that he'll make AI do it.But that'll probably expose how many times he had to reprompt.

The guy's not a Christian. I'll stop engaging him. I even found he uses AI to interpret scripture. I saw a screenshot in which an AI was explaining a verse to him. Hilarious.

He doesn't depend on the Holy Spirit, so, there's nothing to discuss with such people. Then, he's never civil and does not apologize for his errors. He'll accuse you of lying when he's the one lying, and he'll still quote scriptures to condemn you for the lies you didn't tell. And when you show him he was the one who lied or misunderstood, no apology. Also, his propensity to misunderstand, misrepresent, stray off course and misjudge is very high. You will have to constantly be correcting him about what you said versus what he thought you said. Discussions like that will become boring especially when he would have called you names before you are able to show him he misunderstood.

That's not someone worthy of intelligent conversations. You have tried, my brother. I do not want to waste my time discussing scriptures with someone like that. I will no longer respond to his mentions.

However, I'll create a thread on this topic very soon and mention you on the topic.

God bless you brother and God bless Boomark too.

Boomark:
John 8:2, 44 NIV
[2] At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
[44] You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

See your your father here. The screenshot and the bolded proved it. During temptation in Matthew 4,satan has fear of God but you, you don't have any atom of fear of God in you.

You mentioned reveal. Something that was never there. Now you are denying it.

Was it 'reveal' I said you check on ChatGPT ? Point out in the screenshot how I said you should check reveal or stop mentioning me. I underlined with green the words I wanted you to check in screenshot telling you that the original Greek will give you one of God/Son in it's translation of who revealed God.

Please if falsehood is your domain, desist from any further mention me. I don't have time for such useless things.

it is obvious to every thinking person that the ChatGPT challenge was the God/Son appearance in the verse!

There are many other words in my mention, why did you pick reveal and not the others? Please stop me me henceforth. I hate falsehood!

Common sense would let anyo6know that I did not create a separate post to to discuss reveal with you!

A separate and dedicated post that only said 'Boomarl, ask ChatGPT to give you the original Greek of John 1:18 ' is all about 'reveal'. Common sense now. And apart from common sense, the sentence underlined in green below shows the cogent point of the challenge.

Stop mentioning me please!

Boomark:
You quote one scripture and design it with long, empty, contradictory lies.




You should also tell me if it satan that said this.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father

Answer me



Your understanding of what Jesus said contradicts other scriptures including the things Jesus said himself. That is a bad understanding centred on just one verse. You must prove that other scriptures are not contradictory.




Screenshot:
From the screenshot, I want everyone to see what I said in capital letter which I marked with orange colour, "THAT NO MAN HAS EVER SEEN GOD". And see how he lied against me in the blue colour, saying that I said "NO MAN CAN SEE GOD. It is obviouse that this fake pastor is seeking promotion from satan and the antichrist.

When I said Trinitarians lie a lot I knew what I was saying. It is from satan. You will not escape being like your father and coach.

John wrote that thing long after Jesus resurrection and he is telling us it is past tense.




Jesus has no business with your poor understanding. Or probably you are working for the antichrist and their father.





You have only 1 scripture. I have 7 solid scriptures. Paul saw Jesus but he still address the Father as invisible God. So tell us if all these scriptures are telling lies.

1 John 4:12 RSV
[12] No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.


John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.

John 1:18 LSB
[18] No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

1 Timothy 1:17 LSB
[17] Now to the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:16 LSB
[16] who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal might! Amen.

Colossians 1:15 NIV
[15] The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


Paul saw Jesus

1 Corinthians 9:1 NIV
[1] Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?

1 Corinthians 15:7-8 NIV
[7] Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, [8] and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.


You must prove that these scripture are not falsehood.

Whoever has seen Jesus has seen God. That's what Jesus said. Jesus is God made manifest in the Flesh. Jesus is the physical manifestation of the God who is spirit. Men have not seen God because God is Spirit. But Jesus has revealed Him through His own manifestation.

The bottomline of the whole discussion is to let you see that Jesus is a representation of the Father.

If Jesus says, whoever has seen Him has seen the Father, who are you to say whoever sees Jesus have not seen the Father?

Boomark:
You quote one scripture and design it with long, empty, contradictory lies.

When would you stop lying, Boomark? I quoted one scripture and provided several versions of that scripture, is that a lie?

You should also tell me if it satan that said this.

John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father

Answer me

Lack of English comprehension again.

If I say, no one has seen Boomark on Nairaland, does that mean no Nairalabder can see boomark?

How many times do I have to explain to you that before Jesus came, no one had seen the Father, but He revealed Him before He left as shown in the scriptures.

Now, let's apply common sense.

1. Statement 1:

No.one has seen the Father.

2. Statement 2.

The Song has revealed Him.

3. Statement 3
Whoever has seen Jesus as Seen the Father.

Now, draw your inference from all 3 statements.

Even a 4 year old child will tell you that, at first no one had seen the Father but the Father was eventually seen through the Revelation of Jesus Himself.

A list is someone who takes half of what Jesus said instead of the whole.

Your understanding of what Jesus said contradicts other scriptures including the things Jesus said himself. That is a bad understanding centred on just one verse. You must prove that other scriptures are not contradictory.

It's your understanding that is contrardictory. Unbalanced interpretation of Scripture as I've shown above. Your interpretation is to take half words of Jesus and neglect the rest because you don't want to believe the whole truth.

Screenshot:
From the screenshot, I want everyone to see what I said in capital letter which I marked with orange colour, "THAT NO MAN HAS EVER SEEN GOD". And see how he lied against me in the blue colour, saying that I said "NO MAN CAN SEE GOD. It is obviouse that this fake pastor is seeking promotion from satan and the antichrist.

Obviously, you're a fake Christian. A son of the devil to tell such blatant lies with gusto.

As the screenshot has shown.

I maintained you said no one has ever seen God. I.posited that, Jesus didn't say, no man can see God but that is what your position implies, and that you probably have 'no man will see God in your head."

I don't like dealing with people who are poor in English comprehension. I.want more intelligent discussions. Not this brickering here and there.

Now, since you said you never said "No man can see God." Do you now believe that God was seen through Jesus?


No.man has physically seen God but we have seen God through Jesus.

When I said Trinitarians lie a lot I knew what I was saying. It is from satan. You will not escape being like your father and coach.

You've been exposed on this platform as a big liar. Image123, Gabrienshow24, Emusan and the rest of Nairaland readers can already testify.

John wrote that thing long after Jesus resurrection and he is telling us it is past tense.

Quoting John halfway again, isn't it? Half Bible Christian!

1 John 4:12

“No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.”

Why does God abide in us?

"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God[color=#000099][/color]. and eternal life.”

Jesus has no business with your poor understanding. Or probably you are working for the antichrist and their father.

You have only 1 scripture. I have 7 solid scriptures. Paul saw Jesus but he still address the Father as invisible God. So tell us if all these scriptures are telling lies.

Very childish talks. It's unprofitable to discuss scriptures with you. It's better I avoid you and talk with more intelligent people who would like to embrace the truth. I'll create a thread instead. I think I Already have enough of you. You ended up doing the exact thing for which I said I do not want to be arguing scriptures. You even tell lies without conscience.

1 John 4:12 RSV
[12] No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.


John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.

John 1:18 LSB
[18] No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

So, you looked the other way when you saw THE ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD in the scripture you quoted?

1 Timothy 1:17 LSB
[17] Now to the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:16 LSB
[16] who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal might! Amen.

Colossians 1:15 NIV
[15] The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


Paul saw Jesus

1 Corinthians 9:1 NIV
[1] Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?

1 Corinthians 15:7-8 NIV
[7] Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, [8] and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.


You must prove that these scripture are not falsehood.

Ignorance is not bliss.

From the above scriptures, I can deduce these things about you:

1. You have not seen God. You don't know God because you don't know Jesus. Since you're unable to see God through Jesus. Then, you.obviosly don't know Jesus. Hence, you're not a Christian.

2. You.habe never heard the voice of God. You are teaching yourself the Bible. God is not teaching you. You're not worth listening to.

Boomark:
John 8:2, 44 NIV
[2] At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
[44] You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

See your your father here. The screenshot and the bolded proved it. During temptation in Matthew 4,satan has fear of God but you, you don't have any atom of fear of God in you.

You mentioned reveal. Something that was never there. Now you are denying it.

Obviously, you are very weak on English Comprehension. I'm the one who should call you a liar and the son of your father the murderer. Since you are so uneducated that you cannot be civil in conversations.

Where in that your screenshot did I point out that 'reveal' was the word to look for in ChatGPT? Just be sure 'reveal' appeared in a sentence?

With this rate I see you lacking understanding of basic English conversations, you.will.be a serious mess in understanding scriptures.

Here's the screenshot again. See what I underlined in green, and learn how to spot cogent points in entire conversations.

Boomark:
Normally I am not supposed to reply you in that challenge thread because it is against the the rule for you and Janosky to post there. What I should have done was to remove everything thing. This place is meant for discussion.

But you were the one who mentioned me there, or was it Janosky? I was waiting for you to finish with Image123, I did not post on your thread for that reason.

There was no where in my screenshot where it says "reveal". It says explain/ make him known. And these are are still inline with revealing him.

I did not refer to anything such as 'reveal' in your screenshots.

But please say things as they are. I will do what you asked for and post screenshot.

Best advice for you my brother. You did not post the screenshot I asked. You did something else entirely.

I said you should ask ChatGPT to quote John 1:18 from the strongest and most reliable Greek manuscripts only, and translate it to English.

That is what I said, I never said you should ask ChatGPT about 'reveal'. That is your own idea.

Boomark:
I told you to hit your point straight. I am not the one to be deceived by long empty talk. Too many lies hidden in long words. More words more mistakes. I see them all clearly.

So, those various versions of scripture I quoted are long and empty? Who mocks the Word of God that Boomark?

Let me now show how you are similar to satan in quoting scripture.

You can show me how similar you are to satan in quoting scripture and I will show you the true Word of God.

1. You started by twist what Jesus said that "no one has seen God" to mean he didn't say "no one can see God." We all know that Jesus and Angels CAN see God. So focus on what Jesus said to the people listening to him and stop making him a liar.

So, that Jesus has revealed God and the whoever has seen Jesus have seen God are not the Words of Jesus? Tell me it was satan saying that or satn was talking through Jesus when He said "anyone who sees me have seen the Father"? Answer me!

2. You twisted "to reveal" and "to make known" to mean "Seeing God." So if I make people to know God it means they have seen God and I am God? If I reveal Jesus to those who are perishing for them to receive Christ, then it means that I am Jesus and they have seen Jesus? Making someone known is not equal to seeing the person. This is Satan's pattern.

No, Jesus specifically said "Anyone who SEES Him have SEEN the Father. That was twisted too? Which other Father do you want anyone to see? Did you read what Jesus said to Philip? Jesus said "Why are you still asking me to show you the Father? Don't you know that anyone who has SEEN Me has SEEN the Father?' (Paraphrased). Go and read John 14 again. If we quote it here now, you will say the Word of God quoted is long and empty. Is the word 'SEEN' twisted too?

3. Your stand contradicts what Jesus said and also what John who was with him when he said "he who has seen me has seen the Father". JOHN CLEARLY SAID "NO MAN HAS "EVER" SEEN GOD." He was a direct witness when Jesus said what he said in John 14:8-9.

No man has seen (Past Tense) God. Simple English o. But you have twisted the Word of God to say 'No man CAN SEE God.' I don't know maybe you also have "No man WILL See God" in your head. Before Jesus came, no man has seen God, but the only begotten Son has REVEALED Him. How did He reveal Him. Whoever has SEEN JESUS has SEEN the Father." SEEN, SEEN The Father.

So John and the scripture has proven that all your long exegesis and essays are falsehood and that you don't know what you are talking about. I have not even shown the ones written by Paul.

John and the whole of Scripture have proven that all your loud talks are falsehoods and you don't even know what you're talking about. Jesus said whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father but boomark says Jesus is lying.

1 John 4:12 RSV
[12] No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

John 5:37 NIrV
[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like


John 6:46 NIrV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father


So you still have work to do. Your problem has been compounded.

You must prove to us that both Jesus and John who was a witness when Jesus made that statement don't know what they are talking about.

Bring all the scriptures in your stack and do it, not with twisted words. Make sure you go straight to the point because I will fish out twisted words hidden in long comments.

Whenever you are tired, you can then ask me to tell you what Jesus meant in John 14:8-9 that does not contradict the scripture.

You guys who take half the Word of God and neglect the other things said are the greatest tools in the hands of satan. This is what Jesus said, I just hope you will not call it long empty words:

John 14:7 -
"If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. [b]From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

Now, make of Christ's Word what you will. These are not my own words but Christ's.

Question
If Boomark should ask Jesus to show him the Father today, will He answer him in any way different to the way He answered Philip?

Boomark:
Let everyone answer your question. I am not everyone. Whenever you are ready ask me the question. I was supposed to delete those things you people post on the main challenge thread but I left it because I was on focusing on mentions and didn't see it on time.

So this is the screenshot you asked for. What do you want to ask or have I destroyed it in my previous post?

Unfortunately, your definition of everyone is contrary to the dictionary meaning of it. By saying you are not everyone when you were specifically mentioned, the same way you mentioned me on your thread, you are being hypocritical. I responded to Janosky and mentioned you. Janosky referred me to you saying you will answer me. You again refereed me back to Janosky. Your alibi already failed.

Now, regarding the screenshot, can you see that ChatGPT interpreted that the only begotten God/Son has revealed Him? Now, tell it to give you the Greek and translations from only the most reliable and strongest manuscripts. Instead of using God/Son, it would use only one.

Boomark:
What did I say to you when you told me about creating a thread? A pastor that enjoys twisting people's words.

Lyinq.... Is it the actual word if not for the bot.

Ha!

I leave that to you and God. You never read that I said you could create a thread so I can discuss with you using unconventional scriptures? May God judge between me and you!

Boomark:
Don't you see that you have a very big problem. You are calling me a joker as if I am the one you asked that question. The spirit of lie and deceit is at work in you.

Use all the scriptures in your stack and answer the question I asked you on the teaching of Jesus Christ.

I will not overlook any single mistakes which includes not understanding english. Later you letters that keel and spirit that gives life.

I have asked you questions you refused to answer. The questions were not for Janosky alone. Is janosky the only one claiming God is not a Trinity on this thread? That question is for everyone of you, Boomark. A question for one is a question for all!

I challenged you to take a screenshot of ChatGPT's original Greek rendering of John 1:18, where is it?

You don't know the Scriptures but you know how to abuse people. If course, those who don't know scriptures always know how to abuse. They have unstable emotions and cannot discuss anything respectfully.

Now, answer the questions and face the challenge. I'll even create a thread soon as you are both afraid to create a thread and invite me as I asked you to a few days ago.

Boomark:
This is what you should be talking about.

In the screenshot, I was talking about remaining in Jesus teachings and you came from no where and brought he who has seen me has seen the Father. As opposition or what?

So answer the question. I will also touch the part where the spirit of the antichrist led you mocked God. I am waiting... Remember to focus on the teaching of Christ. If you like act as if you don't understand english. I will not overlook such ignorance.

So, you expect me to be talking about remaining in Jesus' teaching instead of addressing what you called Jesus' teaching which was indeed contrary to Jesus' teaching?

Jesus said 'No one has seen the Father' . Did He say, 'No one can see the Father'? Jesus' mission was to reveal the Father whom no one has seen. You didn't understand all the explanations I gave you previously? Was it too long for you to read? I took my time and explained. Are you making Jesus a failure and a liar? Here are Jesus' Words:

"All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" (Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22).

Did the Son reveal the Father? Absolutely YES!

He told Philip "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father'. Simple!

Or, you don't have eternal life?

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3.

Knowing Jesus is knowing the Father. You cannot separate them. They're one.

So, you left all my long exegesis I gave on my previous mention to keep pushing your Antichrist and satanic narratives? Your 'No one has seen the Father' falsehood? Continue pushing these lies. You're liar if you propagate one part of Christ's Word to establish a doctrine instead of His Whole Words. Whole Words of Jesus is what we call Sound Doctrine.

Constantly leaving the part of the scriptures that say boldly:

...BUT THE SON WHO HIMSELF IS ALSO GOD, HE HAS REVEALED HIM.

HE HAS REVEALED HIM

HE HAS REVEALED HIM.

Bookmark, HE HAS REVEALED HIM

After Jesus has revealed Him, only the Blind would still say "No one has seen the Father "

John 1:18

Before Jesus came, no one has seen the Father. But Jesus has revealed Him boomark! Jesus came to reveal Him. That's why He said "That they may know you, the only true God ..."

How can you know someone who was not revealed? And how can someone be revealed without him being known?

"Have you not known me Boomark? Anyone who has seen me has [/b]SEEN[/b] the Father. John 14:9

So, stop lying that no one has seen the Father because ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN ME FATHER.

Or

You do not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me?

Jesus said no one has seen the Father. He didn't say 'No one can see the Father Did He say, no one can see the Father? Tell me!

No one had seen the Father, so Jesus came to reveal Him - John 1:18. And now, those who have seen Jesus have seen the Father because Jesus is not separate from the Father.

Jesus revealed the Father by saying 'Whoever has seen me has seen the Father' - John 14:9.

Do you even read to understand or you simply read to abuse? Are you sure you're a Christian?

lexy2014:
I did not ask you about food or God.

since you are not a kid, I am surprised that you cannot answer the simple question.

did you not know that "The regime is barely two years" before you said



how has tinubu used his "reforms" to successfully tackle corruption, nepotism, cronyism, hunger, unemployment, hardship, poverty, inflation, wasteful government spending, budget padding, insecurity, bad governance, failing public infrastructure, poor medial services and falling standard of education?

amaridigital yarimo ibrahimcoomasie datola elsudani buhariguy AyeMoJuba MaziObinnaokija EmperorIsaac fxmasterz soil4soil

So, it takes more than two years to see the good things the president is doing?

Guy, how are you reasoning?

I didn't say, the good things the president had done, but he's doing. What's your problem with that?

The question you asked is childish because except you're insincere, you would see that investors, economists and all those who are knowledgeable are praising the reforms. The economy has stabilized. I can't waste my time discussing with kids who cannot wait long enough for the food to be done.

This is not fast-food. So, be patient.

lexy2014:
but that is not what I asked you.

how has tinubu used his "reforms" to successfully tackle corruption, nepotism, cronyism, hunger, unemployment, hardship, poverty, inflation, wasteful government spending, budget padding, insecurity, bad governance, failing public infrastructure, poor medial services and falling standard of education?

amaridigital yarimo ibrahimcoomasie datola elsudani buhariguy AyeMoJuba MaziObinnaokija EmperorIsaac fxmasterz soil4soil

A government is not God. Don't expect Tinubu to be a perfect president. Nobody is. Even yourself have no perfection within your sphere of leadership. And, always remember that big problems such as that of national decay must be tackled systematically. The regime is barely two years, and you're expecting that it would have tackled everything and make Nigeria a párádísè. Please stop the joke.

All of you kids should allow the food to cook well. Elders, who know what's cooking are already waiting patiently for the outcome. Rome was not built in a day.