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PeterObiGuy:
The Million March for Israel: A Question of “God’s People”


A million march for Israel with locations in Abuja, Lagos, Port Harcourt among others Is making headlines — but one must ask, what do people really mean when they say “God’s people”? Does that mean your own hometown people are not God’s people?

We are all Gods people but when we refer to Israel, we mean the people through whom God made Himself known to the world.

Israel being called “God’s people” comes from a book written by Israel themselves. Africa’s religious brainwashing seems to have gone far deeper than many realize.

Israel makes no such claim. Israel wrote no book. The Bible is just a collection of Israel's history, prophetic sayings and inspired writings. While many of the writers were Israelites, Israel never claims to be the author of the book.

You don't know God, and that's why you think spiritual matters are synonymous with brainwashing.

It’s time to think critically. Israel should seek peace and settle things amicably with Palestine because the Palestinians deserve to be heard too.

What exactly do Palestinians need to be heard for? You can. Help them.get heard too! Who's stopping you?

Ironically, many African Christians don’t even know that Palestine has more Christians than Israel, and that Israel actually has more Muslims than Christians.

All lies. Dom think Christians are ignorant. It's suicide to be a Christian in Palestine. Israel is safe for both Christians and Muslims.

Let’s stop worshipping foreign narratives and start seeking truth and justice for all humanity.


@Ditari of Ijaw

Worship local narratives if you so wish. Who are you to tell others what to worship?

Nobody is worshipping any foreign narration. You're deeply ignorant.

The one million man march would hold. Even you, the spokesman for terrorists cannot stop it.

MrPresident1:
Peter is one of the Angels of Christ (Messenger, Disciple, Servant). These are the elect who shall not suffer any mental or spiritual devolution and cannot be deceived by Satan's shenanigans; they will not die.

Christ will be revealed from heaven with his mighty Angels, Peter being one of them

2 Thessalonians 1:7
King James Version
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

1 Peter 5:1 KJV
King James Version
5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

And there you have it, your proof.

Your fathers called Jesus Heretic when he held them tight and forcefed them with knowledge, it is like the saying, the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge. In those days they were so mad at Jesus that they put their hands on their heads, and pulled out their hair from the roots in mad rage!

Now next time you speak, just speak for yourself, especially when you are asserting without proof that [we] you cannot prove that Peter is not among the 'some', it doesn't portray you as someone that knows what they are saying, so don't do that again.

Also, your reaction is exactly what to expect from people who come into contact with the fire of the inspiration of Holy spirit, it confounds them completely.

All Believers are partakers of the Glory that shall be revealed. Jesus said some of those standing would witness His coming in His Glory. He made no reference to Peter or any angel!

You are a known heretic. All your posts carry high marks of inferior reasoning, derailed theology and conspiracy theories.

For example, how can Peter be the 'Some' of Jesus' statement here? Your answer is that it's because he's an angel and Jesus would be revealed with His angels. Tell me how exactly this illogical statement explains your falsehoods?

Jesus was talking about those who'll be on earth, or would not taste death when He'll be revealed. You're saying Peter is the 'some' as he's an angel that'll be with Christ at His revelation. Meanwhile , even if Peter would be an angel (which is a lie because the scriptures established that Jesus would be revealed with thousands of His saints and many archangels. Saints would remain saints, and angels would remain angels. Peter is a saint), he'll still have to taste death to become an angel. Infact, Peter already tasted death.

Please go and sit down humbly and learn the Word of God from those who'll teach you sound doctrines.

Actually, I don't think anyone takes you serious on this platform. I'm just engaging you to help you see that you really need help.

If you can't see that, it's left to you.

MrPresident1:
Here is your proof that Peter was there when Jesus made that statement. This is verse 22 and the chapter continues to verse 28 when Jesus makes the statement

Matthew 16:22-24
King James Version
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.



I have given you the Scripture evidence of Peter's presence. Now, you too, quote the place in John 20 that you are referencing so we can all examine it together.

Use KJV Bible

Don't you understand English?

I never said Peter wasn't there. I said Jesus' emphasis was on 'some'. When you say 'some', you are not speaking to everybody or anybody present. You are speaking to an unknown group among those present.

Peter was there but there's no way we can prove he was among the 'some' Jesus was referring to.

Jesus said "There be some that stand here... " You have misinterpreted 'some' as 'all'.

Almost all your posts on this platform are theological flip flops. Please sit down and go learn from the Holy Spirit. Stop bring an heretic.

Was Peter the only one there? There were several of the disciples present.

MrPresident1:
You remember Jesus told us that some of the people standing with him will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God?

Matthew 16:28 KJV
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Well Apostle Peter is one of such people

1 Peter 5:1 KJV
King James Version
5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

Peter is long dead. But he says he will be a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed.

Where exactly did Jesus mention Peter as one of them when He clearly "there be some standing here..." Or Some was Peet's second name?

John 20 clearly tells us that Jesus hinted that Peter would die at a very good old age when he met them fishing after his resurrection. Please stop twisting the scriptures.

LordReed:
LoLz, it was your post I quoted! This is you is it not:


But no matter you will eat your words.

Spontaneous remission in cancer patients is very rare yet it occurs naturally without any treatment. There you have it a rare solution that occurs naturally. Lemme see you change mouth or attempt your usually denial of reality.

Chai! May God give you understanding. I don't know why you like taking a part of what I say without looking at the whole discourse. How many times would I call your attention to these lapses?

So, the only thing you heard me say is that Solutions that are rare are miraculous but you did not remember again that I have defined a miracle for you as something that has no natural explanation, has a mark of rarity, and also has a mark of impossibility with no natural explanation. It is also determined by its premise.

Is this spontaneous remission a SOLUTION? No, it's not a solution but the result of a number of solutions such as Immune System Activation, Hormonal Changes, Reduction in Oxygen Levels, and Genetic Variability to name a few. These are the SOLUTIONS that result in the spontaneous remission of cancer. The real SOLUTIONS are not rare occurences. The spontaneous remission has natural explanations and has no mark of impossibility.

For instance, immune system activation through the body's response system or an internal stimulus such as fever can make the body fight the cancerous cells. This is very explainable biologically. So, what's miraculous about that? These solutions are not rare.

And, even if you think spontaneous remission of cancer is a solution itself which it is not, it has natural explanations. How can something rare but naturally explainable be a miracle?

If mere rarity of a solution alone defined a miracle, then you don't even need to go to science or biology for your objection. There are many rare solutions around us but they do not carry the mark of impossibility, and they do have natural explanations. Their premises are also natural. We are talking of events that have no natural premises. No natural explanation. They carry a mark of impossibility.

The x-rays of the sizable nail and its subsequent elimination in the belly of a 1 year old ticks all these boxes. Spontaneous remission of cancer does not.

MAO! Do you have time? You have time to be arguing inanities for many days but you don't have time to glance at a post in the same thread. Your dishonesty is getting beyond words.

Who on earth told you that everyone who has time set aside to respond to posts and mentions also has time to rummage through Nairaland to find something that was not lost? Only jobless people hang around on social media without time allotment.

I dare you to quote me anywhere I misrepresented what you said.

Do I need to go any far? Even right now, you have done it again. You'll quote me in part and re-present my whole ideology on that one part. All in a bid to win an argument. I have already addressed you on this up there.

My respectful mention of your posts may not make it so glaring. If I too start using words such as 'you are confused', with a shout of LMAO and Bwahahahaha, maybe your lapses would have been more obvious to you. But, I'm above such levels.

What you told me is your personal incredulity is evidence of a miracle and I say that is not how reality works. Because you don't know how something works doesn't make it a doing of your god especially when said thing can occur naturally.

There were caveats to it. Everyone knows when something is absolutely impossible. And when the impossible becomes possible, we know it's not natural. Especialy when it happens after we prayed.

I think I have shared this before. The year was 2014, I wouldn't want to go into details so as not to wear you out. But, there was this lady that passes by us always backing a 4 year old child.

One day, my wife asked her to allow the child walk. "Why back him everyday?". It was then the lady opened the boy's concealed right leg. The mother covers the leg with the clothes she uses to back him. The leg was extra large - elephantiasis. The woman said she has taken him for surgery twice but the ailment returns after each surgery. She was to take him for the third surgery but she didn't have the required 100k as at then. My wife asked her not to worry. "My husband is a man of God. Let him see the child's leg." The lady came to meet me on a Monday morning and I prayed for both mother and child. On Wednesday morning, I saw the woman in my house. "Daddy, thanks so much for the other day sir. See his leg." She wore a brighter countenance this very day. I can still visualize the joy on her face.

The swollen leg had begun to shrink. Drastically reduced in size. Though not yet at par with the other leg at the time, but the size reduction was very obvious. No surgery. Only my prayers. "You spirit of infirmity, I terminate your operations in this leg, and cast you out. You leg, hear the Word of the Lord, take on your normal size, and from now on begin to heal in Jesus name! You Elephantiasis, be gone!" Then, I repeated"Be gone, be gone, be gone in Jesus name!". That was it. The result was a shrunk leg.

A month later, I saw the boy playing around with his mates. Something he couldn't do before. I give all Glory to Jesus. That's what we call a miracle. It happened after prayers. It was an impossible situation without surgery. It had a mark of rarity. No natural explanation.

Bwahahahahahaha! Is this goomba trying to tell me he doesn't know glass bottles are made and not naturally occurring?

I don't know where you got that ideology from? Please what exactly did I say that gave you this obnoxious conclusion? It seems you never even understand anything I write. All is well in Jesus name.

Guy your ignorance stinks. A bottle is manmade why would an orange naturally be in it? Can your tired brain not reason that if it is manmade that someone put it in there by manmade means? You reason like an ignorant man from ancient time who thinks everything is done by magic.

I wonder at you o. So, the Tabera people made the glass bottle and arranged the orange inside it according to your superlative brains. Hahahaha! Kudos to you. You are very intelligent.

Ha! I even thought he'll come up with scientific methods such as attaching the bottle to a tree with a flowering orange inside it, then, allowing the orange to grow and ripen inside the bottle. I didn't know it's such level of low thinking he expects me to descend to.

I can give you a few scientific ways to make that happen actually but those Tabera people were stark illiterates. I don't know if they still are. They know absolutely nothing. You can visit the place. Mount Tabera. Along Lagos Ibadan Express Way.

It's hilarious that you even expect them to be bottle manufcturers. Or you thought they know how to contract bottles out to manufacturers in 1999. Did they even have the money?

Your superlative brains didn't tell you that the orange should rot after staying in the bottle for many years? Was it the manufacturer that preserved the orange too? Or do you even think that the orange in the bottle thing was the only weird phenomenon in the place? Lol. Why are you thinking so narrowly?

LordReed:
LMAO! So now you have shifted from "Solutions that are not common are also not natural" to "SOLUTIONS that are rare are rarely natural". This is another of your ways of being dishonest.

Please go and read what I said. I emphasized SOLUTIONS. Solutions. There is no shift whatsoever I said solutions that are rare are never natural. My posts are still all here on Nairaland. Why are you doing like this?

When you can easily go back and check what I wrote? Just stop being dishonest, it's quite easy.

You're the one who is dishonest. I'll say something, you'll say something else, yet I never accuse you. I only clarify myself further. It has happened several times. What's so special about what you've said that I'll need to go check again? What happens to clarification if you think i.misedd something? Do I have that time?

You have misrepresented my words several times. That is the peak of dishonesty. Yet, no single accusation from me. That's because I don't have satan's seed in me. Satan is called the Accuser for a reason.

Which is why you need to tell us how to distinguish between the one that happened naturally and the one that you claim your god did.

I have told you about the Mark of impossibility and rarity. I have also told you about the premise for an occurrence. What else do you want to hear? If it's rare, has a mark of impossibility, has a premise of prayer, then who did it?

Man, your ignorance is outstanding. You mean you cannot think of any way someone can get an orange inside a bottle without magic? Do you even know how bottles are made? Have you never seen the egg in the bottle science experiment? No wonder you think your personal incredulity is evidence that something is a miracle. OMFD!

Hey, you're the ignorant who thinks others are. Please tell us how to get an orange into a narrow mouthed bottle naturally when you're not the producer of the bottle. And for your information, I need to repeat that the bottle is made of glass, not plastic. I already said that, I knew you would miss it.

Perhaps your natural means is to grow the orange into the bottle while it's young. You don't understand. This is a bottle that has been there for many years with the orange inside it according to information. You can still visit the place today to verify. I have not done that.

LordReed:
This is just a very bad take. There are people who are naturally immune to HIV/AIDS but are very rare and had no prayers done for them, so you are so blatantly wrong.

My friend, those people are in a state. A natural occurrence. Their states is not a solution. I emphasized that SOLUTIONS that are rare are rarely natural. These HIV-immune people are not SOLUTIONS.

You twisted my question into something else. Compare your statement:

No. This wasn't the question you asked me. You asked me if objects don't move naturally.

to my question:

Do you think foreign objects in people's bodies only move or change orientation due to prayer?

How can you claim I was wrong when you so blatantly changed my question? This is dishonesty in full display and instead of acknowledging that you got it wrong you're still trying to double down.

BTW I don't care what you inferred, I asked you a simple yes or no question so you can make it clear, but you chose to go on this dodging spree.

My answer applies to both scenarios. I.mighy have wrongly paraphrased your question but I stll answered it. Both questions are in the same category and you cannot expect me to remember it verbatim when I quoted it off hand.

The summarized answer to your question stop.remains that objects change move without prayers and could even change orientations but that does not mean prayers cannot cannot shift objects when they're not shifting naturally. That also does not mean that all movements and orientations are natural. God or doctors could move them in.the bodies.

If nature does not move them, and doctors also didn't, and you.cry to God and then they start movimg in ways they cannot be naturally explained, then who moved them? God of course.

When we didn't know that the explanation for children dying early was sickle cell disease, were we correct in attributing it to Abiku spirits? No, we weren't, our ignorance then doesn't mean there wasn't a natural explanation. You are just being ignorant in saying when something has no natural or biological explanation then it is a miracle. That is pure ignorance.

My friend, the abiku issue was rampant. It was not a rare occurences.

You just love quoting me in part. That's not good. A miracle has a mark of rarity, unnatural explanation due to established notions of impossibility. It is humanly impossible to be solved or resolved. The sicke cell situation does not fall into this category. A miracle is a special act of God or of spiritual forces.

For example, a friend of mine visited Mount Tabera along Lagos Ibadan Express Way years ago. He told me that there's a bottle he saw on her place that had a large size orange inside it. The bottle has a narrow opening, so he could not imagine how the orange entered that bottle. I have not gone to verify this myself but that's a typical impossible situation that has no natural explanation of his testimony is true (and he's not someone who.lies, neither has he any reason to tell me this since we were not even discussing anything related to it at the time). He told me about this in 1999. Such is a rare occurence of found to be true. That is something with a spiritual edge. No.natural explanation. No room for the lack of knowledge escuses. There's no knowledge that can explain how I large orange can enter a glass bottle that has a narrow opening. The sickle cell scenario does not fall in this category.

LordReed:
You seem to be confused. In this same post of yours you acknowledge that something can be natural but not common so why then would expect me to able to bring multiple cases to refute your one case on a phenomenon that is not common?

Did you read me saying that 'solutions' are an exception? Something natural and uncommon is always hard to find. And when it's found, it's very valuable. Such as rare metals and minerals. Solutions that are not common are also not natural. I repeat AN UNCOMMON SOLUTION IS NOT A NATURAL SOLUTION. Go and find out. We are talking about a SOLUTION to a problem. A rare solution is never natural.

If THE SOLUTION is common, then, it is natural. If the solution is uncommon, it is always unnatural. There's no rare solution that is natural. Prove me wrong.. This particular solution further authenticated itself as a miracle after turning up only after prayer.

If you know that then why did you dodge my question? That's the dishonesty we are talking about.

This is the question I asked you:

Yes, foreign objects change orientation and move due to prayer. However, I don't infere that foreign objects ONLY move and change orientation due to prayer. The premise of the movement will determine why it moved.

Stop trying to twist things that are easily verifiable.

What exactly am I twisting?

Very simple question, tell us how to distinguish between a miracle and a natural occurrence that is not common.

A miracle has no natural or biological explanation. The events are not initiated by man. In most cases, they are naturally impossible situations turned possible. When they happen only after prayer, that provides an explanation.

LordReed:
You are the one who falsely accused me of saying the case was simple. True or false? Was it you who said the case I cited was simple or not.

Someone else said that. I mistakenly attributed it to you. I apologize. I didn't say the case is simple. I was saying it's simple to dispel the miracle side of things by simply supplying evidences of multiple cases that are similar.

Your dishonesty is in telling me to answer a yes or no question that has nothing to do with what I said but when I ask you to answer a yes or no question you turn around and claim you won't answer it because it has nothing to do with what you said. Can you see how dishonest that is or are you still feigning innocence?

I did not ask that question on the basis of what you said. It was just a straight question. Is the case simple? Am I not free to ask questions again? What's dishonest about asking you a question? I just wanted to know your opinion about the simplicity of the case.

Yes they have the right if it appears I am claiming exclusivity. I asked you to clarify if your claim is that foreign objects do not reorient in the body naturally. It's a simple yes or no answer that is required that you have been evading for 3 days now.

No. This wasn't the question you asked me. You asked me if objects don't move naturally. I answered that my emphasis is on 360° orientation. Not just movement.

This is a failure to understand simple English. That something can occur naturally does not equate to it being common. Have you never heard of rare diseases or illnesses? They occur naturally and are yet rare so understand simple English and stop twisting it to what I didn't say.

Yes, something can occur naturally and not be common. When that uncommon thing happens only after prayers, turn you cannot dismiss it. If a disease happens after prayers. You cannot dismiss it as mere natural occurrence. Moreso, solutions rarely happen haphazardly. They are always the result of a direct action to induce the solution. So a solution happening in rarity cannot be dismissed as a mere natural occurrence when prayers were said to make it happen.

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[quote author=LordReed post=137090968]You see how dishonest you are being? I asked you a question did you respond? When I previously asked you a simple yes or no question did you respond? No to both times yet you wanna come here act like someone else is being evasive.[/quote,]
Do you think you can win an argument by falsely accusing your opponent of dishonesty? You've been singing this song as though it's the latest music in town.

What is dishonest in clarifying to you again and again that my position is not object movement but rotation. Please go through my initial first post on this thread. My emphasis is on rotation.

Let me ask you a question. If you claimed that a white bulb shines brighter even on low current. Is it right for anyone to come and ask you if colored bulbs shine on low current? That's an unrelated question because you never said coloured bulbs don't shine. You only said white bulbs shine brighter. This is the very case with your unrelated question.

Whether it is common or not has nothing to do with what I said you are just jumping to another thing I made no reference to.

My friend, we are considering a miracle and a miracle is a special case always. No Christian calls common occurrences miracles. If it happens commonly, then it's not a miracle. To disprove a miracle, you need to present common natural occurrences of the same case. This you obviously know. That's why you turned to the net to go.find cases to prove that such cases are common. But you were disappointed. You found one dissimilar case and brought it here as though we are arguing about mere nail ingestion. Don't you know that there are different types of nail injestions with different levels of severity? How can you compare a lame man with a man who has no legs? They have the same type of disability but obviously not the same condition of disability. Your counter-case must match 100%!

You are so discombobulated that a case where the nail rotated twice is what you say is not comparable. Dishonesty pro max.

Give us many other cases where the nail rotated once, twice or a thousand times!

LordReed:
No you did not even when I said say yes or no you still refused but you had the temerity to ask me to say yes or no to which I answered. See that is the difference between us, I don't have to lie or be evasive because I want to defend a fantasy. I can point to reality everytime and be certain of what I am saying unlike you who needs to twist it, lie and be evasive.

How do you want me to answer a question that has no relationship with my assertion? That question is only necessary if I had said objects don't move in human bodies except through prayers. Objects movement is not what prompted me to create this thread. I have told you several times that my position is not object movement but 360° rotation. And for emphasis, a rotation that happened ONLY after prayers. For you to come and then ask me an unrelated question and me trying to explain my position to you more clearly, is standard. You can't argue with me on claims I did not make. I have answered you that objects do move. For more clarity, the basis of this thread goes like this:

1. Objects move in human bodies but no guarantee that the movements will eliminate the need for surgery.

2. Objects move but they don't rotate 360° in most cases. Your argument that the rotation happened twice is inconsequential. Whether it happened twice or a thousand times, the rotation puts the nail in a safe position in the child. This is the case. Let me make it even more clearer. The rotation putting the nail in a safe orientation in the child is NOT GUARANTEED. THE PROBABILITY OF THIS SAFE POSITION HAPPENING IS VERY SLIM. All these happened only after prayers. I am repeating myself because it seems you're not getting my points.

3. The child is a baby. One year old. The length of the nail in contrast to the size of the baby's stomach should make a rotation absolutely impossible. How did that rotation happen? The walls of that Baby's stomach are very tender. The risk of perforations is very high.

4. Is there any natural or biological process that can induce such a safe rotation? No!

5. Are there similar cases that tick all the boxes from 1 to 4 above? No!

Your refusal to accept that the case cited is identical to your miracle claim is emblematic of your thoughtlessness. Keep denying reality, it's what you are good at.

I will accept once you prove that your lone case ticks all the boxes from one to 4 above.

LordReed:
I never claimed it was, it was you who claimed that the case I cited was simple. Do you deny that?

NO, it is not simple.

I have no idea how common or uncommon it is.

Yes, it is not simple. Thanks for that confession.

Google has been your friend including AI. In this age, you can never claim you have no idea how common it is. Information is always at your fingertips. The only reason why you have no idea is because there is no replica of this child's nail rotation out there.

It is not common. That's a miracle.

LordReed:
Asked and answered.



I didn't mention peristalsis so that has nothing to do with me.



My first question to you was:



Where in it do I mention miracle?

Here is my other question to you:



One which you have failed to answer.



LoLz. The only person getting emotional here is you. You are so discombobulated you started lying and trying to deny what we can both see with our 2 naked eyes. LMAO!

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I have answered all your questions. I never said foreign objects don't move in tummies. Read the OP. The claims was that this one only moved after prayers. This is premises on the fact that not all objects move. Many never moved. And it's significant that this one moved after prayer. Not only did it move. It made an unusual 360° rotation. Not just a movement.

I have asked you to bring a similar 360° rotation incident relating to a 1 year old or any age within such range. You didn't find one even for adults. The adult case you brogh was not a rotation. That nail had to do 360° rotation, otherwise the child would be in danger. It was that rotation alone that could resolve the issue, and it's not commonplace. This rotation happened only after prayers.

This is my position which you never addressed. Your questions were all of point because they didn't challenge my position in anyway. You're asking questions regarding assertions I never made.

LordReed:
LoLz. Guy I asked you to quote where I said it is common you cannot because I never did. Your attempt to put words in my mouth is beyond thoughtless.

The nail orientation in the case I cited changed visibly twice but you are losing your mind so incredibly that you are denying what you are seeing. Such a sodden pity. Bwahahahahahaha!

Please answer a simple yes or no to whether the nail swallowing case is simple or that the nail ejection case is common.

Mind you, Gabrielshow24 has challenged you that peristalsis does not make objects move 360°. Do you have any other natural explanation for the occurrence in the child's tummy?

You cannot say it's not a miracle by just saying it's not. You've got to prove it with natural explanations and multiple samples of similar occurrences. The multiplicity of similar cases will be enough proof to back up your dismissal of a miracle taking place.

Stop being emotional and face this issue headlong my friend.

LordReed:
First you claimed I said it was simple meanwhile it was you who said it was simple. Next you jump to I said it was common yet you cannot quote where I said so. You are so discombobulated you are even denying the change in orientation of the nail in the case I cited. Man you need help to calm your nerves. LMAO.

Now, do you claim it is not simple?

This girl's nail swallowing case is not simple. Yes or no?

This girl's nail ejection case is not common. Yes or no?

Please answer in simple yes or no.

LordReed:
Kindly quote where I claimed it is common.

What do you mean by 'it is not special'? I drew inferences from that your statement. An event that is not special is common. So, prove to us that it is not special by bringing us multiple such events to show commonality.

Also, note that the single event you presented is not similar scientifically speaking. You brought an event of an adult while we're examining a 1 year old. That's inscongruent. The nail orientation too was not the same. The threats were dissimilar both is nature and in severity. The only similar thing in the two events is that they both swallowed a nail. And I have not said that any mail swallowing event needs a miracle or surgery to be ejected.

LordReed:
The one who is emotional here is you. You are jumping from pillar to post losing your mind over this. LoLz.

Tell me the pillar and post I jumped to. Did the topic change? No. I have bright several points of arguments. You've got no answer for any. My last point was for you to tell us how the common event could only help you find only one slightly similar event. There should be multiple similar events if that event is common. Is that another pillar or another post?

LordReed:
And I showed you a well documented case. To bad if it is making you lose your mind.

Listen to yourself or you love dishonesty more than truth.

You said something is not a miracle, I said it is. Yet, you couldn't bring multiple occurrences of it to prove it's not a miracle. The fact that you have only obe documented adult case of a nail turning in an adult, and not even doing 360 degrees like the one we have in this one year old baby is enough to expose your dishonesty.

If I'll prove to you that your case is not special, then, I'll give you multiple cases that are similar. Only a dishonest person would respond to such assertion with "special ko, medal ni.' It's the height of dishonesty to say the list. Whatever is not common is special. Prove that it's not special by showing us how common it is. Period!

Leave the talk talk. Show us how common it is!

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahaha! Save your crocodile tears my guy.



Like I said you've lost the plot. It shows that foreign objects reposition in the body naturally. The fact that after 2 days you are still dishonestly dragging this just shows you've really lost your mind.






Bwahahahahahaha! Special kor medal ni.

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It was you who called it simple so you go swallow some nails. LoLz.





Your god is as ephemeral as a dream and is not real. I on the other hand I'm real no matter how briefly my time on earth. Your god has no privilege of existing. LoLz.

You've grown really emotional. It's the sign of unease within your soul.

But how does your mockery count? Valueless.

LordReed:
What is this one saying? You brought a situation that I showed has a natural explanation and you start losing your mind how is that my fault?

Whatever has a natural explanation will gave several similar incidents, and would not happen only after prayers.

LordReed:
LoLz. This is so funny. Something that we can see koro koro with our eyes that the nail turned twice you are coming to say this illogical heap.

You're even getting worked up. What's pricking your heart, my friend?

Who cares about how many times the nail has turned? Is that what we're discussing? You're the one arguing with yourself about that, not me. I don't care about how many times the nail turned. I repeat. I only care that the nail turned to put the child out of harm's way- after the mother prayed.

You brought only 1 case but I am supposed to bring 5 to counter your 1. It just shows you are not engaging in good faith. You will move the goalposts as many times as you like because you cannot engage truthfully.

My friend, my one case is a special case. If it's not special, you need to bring many cases to prove that. What makes my own case special is the hand of God. The only way to prove it's not special is for you to submit several similar cases. By not finding several cases like mine, the speciality of the case is established.

A simple case that rotated 2ce and still had no complications

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If it's simple, you can try it out many times yourself by swallowing nails to show us how simple it is but my friend, you don't want to do that because you know it's not simple.

Your god is as ephemeral as a dream, no matter how pleasant it is still not real.

No, He existed before the Mountains and would be the there after the mountains are long gone. But, you are just like a vapour. For a time, you exist to make boast in yourself. You who do not know whether you'll wake up tomorrow if you sleep tonight.

Give God all the Glory!

LordReed:
Who said anything about it being safe to swallow nails? Stay on topic.

It is better for him to be silent than to be like you displaying your lack of honesty.

You're the one who has not been honest.

When we claim miracles, you say bring evidence. When we bring evidence, you say something else without any substance. When we counter you, you start saying we're not being honest.

What is the dishonesty in the fact that a nail is turning 360 degrees in the tummy of a 1 year old to put the child out of harm's way. A miracle that happened only after the mother prayed. A miracle that you cannot replicate. And infact, it's hard to find its replica online. What is the dishonesty about making you aware of your own unfounded denials?

Give God all the Glory!

LordReed:
Kindly demonstrate how a nail head can change position from down to up without first getting into a lateral/horizontal position.

Whatever position change you think occured in your miracle claim happened at least twice in the case I linked so please save us your completely transparent duplicitous display.

At least Gabrielshow24 is honest enough be quiet instead of being so transparently duplicitous.

See, I do not care about how many rotations the nail made. I have already made my position clear.

I hope you saw the length of the nail. It's at least one and a half inches long if not more. The child is a one year old for heaven's sake. How wide is a one year old's intestines or stomach for nails that long to be making rotations without injuring the kid?

If you think it's safe to swallow nails since they can always be ejected without a miracle, can you willingly swallow some and even advise others to do the same? Since a natural process can always push the nails out.

Gabrielshow24 is ignoring you, not silenced. He knows you have made up your mind not to accept the truth. He doesn't want to waste his time arguing with someone whose mind is already made up. No amount of evidence can change such minds. They're better left alone. I continue to engage you instead of ignoring you because those who really need God will see this post as we continue to argue.

Give God the Glory due to Him!

LordReed:
Kindly demonstrate how a nail head can change position from down to up without first getting into a lateral/horizontal position.

Whatever position change you think occured in your miracle claim happened at least twice in the case I linked so please save us your completely transparent duplicitous display.

At least Gabrielshow24 is honest enough be quiet instead of being so transparently duplicitous.

Gabrielshow24 already passed his message to you. That doesn't mean he accepts your denial.

You couldn't even produce at least 5 evidences of people who survived such incidents without surgery, yet you're here trying to disprove an occurrence that is not so rampant, and that happened only after prayer. Or, how many incidents of 360° nail rotation in the tummy have you seen yet in the whole world? All reports online show complications, perforations, surgeries and deaths. The case you brought yesterday was a simple case that never needed a surgery.

Keep denying God. You'll still meet God some day.

LordReed:
They very clearly show that the nail which was down in the 1st set of pictures is now up. I dunno what you are trying to say here.



LoLz. I am glad we have established that foreign objects can reposition naturally.



Bwahahahahahaha! You now want to claim this is also a miracle. This is duplicity in full display. You initiallywere saying repositioning was not possible naturally now you want to claim it as a miracle too.



Bwahahahahaha! Na now you know that one bah. I hope you can clearly see how underhanded you are.



Nothing you say will erase the fact that foreign objects naturally reposition without prayer. You perfidious attempts to reframe it as miracle is so transparent.



Bwahahahahahaha! I successful showed that these are natural processes so the person with the lying fantasies here is you.

From my initial post, I never said foreign objects don't change positions. I was even the one who mentioned peristalsis to you. If you don't understand my line of argument, this should give you more clarity. I have never said they cannot change position They can change positions even dangerously. What I have said right from the beginning till now is that a 360° change in a harmless position that didn't happen before prayer happened after only prayer. And that it isn't a coincidence that instead of changing positions more dangerously (,that probably is very high), it rather changed position to take the child out of harm's way. This probability is slimmer than the dangerous position probability. It happened only after prayer. Definitely God worked as He had always worked.

LordReed:
Did you even look at the xrays? The nail rotated at least twice. In the 1st set of xrays the head is down, in the 2nd set it is up then in the 3rd set it is down again. And the 1st was taken 8 hrs after he swallowed it so we don't know if it rotated in that period.

Your incredulity is getting the better of you such that you cannot even see what's right in front of you.

Absolutely wrong inferences.

The second set of images are not two different images but the same image from different perspectives for better visibility.

The nail turned and repositioned itself in the way to the anus.

Now, even if it rotates 1000 times, have you ever thought of the probability of it ending its rotation in a harmful direction?

If you think that alien objects naturally leave the human body without external interventions; is the human body intelligent enough to purge itself of alien materials? Who gave it such an intelligence? Or that intelligence, similar to the way the body tries to heal itself is just accidental?

If there's a biological process that the body uses to do such things naturally, who programmed that process? It's just by accident and adaptation?

Whatever your theories are, it does not dispel that facts that:

1. God caused delays in the surgery to allow time for prayers to be answered. If this has happened to your child (God forbid), the child would have had surgery same day he or she was appointed. And, who knows what the results could have been. There are many who have died from less complicated matters than this. Give Glory to God!

2. By the time the surgery was to be done, the nail had already rotated unexpectedly because the mother prayed. Was the nail expected to harmlessly change orientation? NO. Nobody expected it. The mother herself was just asking God for intervention. She didn't know how God would do it. Infact, there's no guarantee that any change in orientation would be safe for the child!

This is just God. Give Glory to God! Yeah, we even have cases where such strange objects would disappear after prayers. But just because unlike this woman, most Christians don't do xrays to document issues, people like you would call it a lie. For example, when my daughter grew a tooth in an odd place, I didn't take pictures. I only prayed, smd the tooth changed direction. You can call that a lie if you want. All I know is that the tooth repositioned itself, and my daughter and her siblings who were around at the time are living witnesses of the miracle they experienced. Your own doubts and denials don't amount to anything. They do not stop Jesus from continuing to manifest Himself.

So, my friend. Keep denying and allowing the devil to keep desceiving you. Hey, do not believe the Gospel, and keep calling Jesus names. Call God all types of unprintable names. You own your mouth but someone else owns your ife. That's why you don't have any authority or power to retain your life or determine the time you'll return to the grave? Why? Because it's not yours. You're living on a leased breath. Whenever the owner is ready, He'll take what is His, and then, by that time, though too late, your eyes would open in eternal regrets.

We are telling you all truth about our personal experiences with God. You keep validating your own lying fantasies and standing on false scientific premises that don't last.

LordReed:
The question is how do you know it is a miracle?

Here is someone who ingested a nail and pooped it out: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8891944/

In this case the nail rotated at least twice. No prayers involved.

So,you have only one case of someone who had a nail longitudinally inside a person who then passed it easily because the nail wasn't in a dangerous position in the tummy. The nail didn't even have to turn for it to be rejected. That has happened many times and does not require prayers to change anything.

It seems you didn't even see the difference in both cases. This is not a matter of just ingestimg a nail but that the nail established itself in a dangerous position and had to change orientation to be able to move out of the body. Otherwise, surgery is the only solution, and that could result in death. After the mother prayed, the nail turned 360° and came out without surgery.

You need to be able to produce a very similar occurrence to this to disprove this miracle

Anyone lost in a jungle can walk out of it unhurt. That wouldn't be a miracle but when that jungle is full of wild and dangerous beasts, any escape is a miracle.

LordReed:
You avoided answering the question so as to not ruin your interpretation of this as a miracle.



How do you know that?



The doctors are there to be pragmatic and do the least harm, not wait for a situation to turn ugly before acting.



How can we know it was the prayer that caused it if foreign objects naturally move and reposition in the human body?

You don't need to do much talking my friend.

I have produced evidence of a miracle that happened only after prayers.

Please produce evidence of nails turning 360° in a body without prayers. I mean one in which the sharp end suddenly turns upwards.

ComeComing:
Good day everyone. Plumbers in the house I recently opened our toilet chamber and noticed that the water does not flow down through the pipe connecting to the soakaway.

I'm confused if the soakaway is full (because whenever i pour water inside the chamber, instead of flushing down, some waste products will come out from the pipe leading to the soakaway) or if our neighbors children have used p@d to block their own chamber.. thereby causing water from ours not to pass?

Who has a solution to this please? 🙏🙏

Let’s work collectively on this project as it promises financial breakthroughs.

The biodigester is a new sewage management system where you will never need to evacuate faeces. It is a system where you can convert energy generated to electricity and/or cooking gas. Every builder is interested in it. But it’s funny many don’t even know it yet.

Let me intrudruce you to a company that produces this biodigester if you will need one for your house or to introduce to landlords in your neighborhood.

LordReed:
When people don't want to answer a simple question it usually indicates to me that they know the answer will crush their argument. You aren't different here. You can see that you cannot lie and say it only moves when prayed on nor can you say yes it can move without prayer which will destroy your miracle take on this matter. LoLz.

You mean you are expecting me to say what you want me to say? Is that what you mean by saying your question was not answered?

No now, I have answered your questions. I gave you a comprehensive answer.

Look at that nail very closely. It's sharp end faces downwards. Anyone who says there's a biological move that could make that sharp end face upwards is obviously a liar. Whatever turned that sharp end upwards is a miracle. You can only live in denial.

Now, if you think that could happen without prayers, kudos to you. The doctors already wanted to operate the child. They never expected the nail to turn. Neither did the do anything to activate any biological process. As far as the doctors were concerned, the ONLY solution was surgery.

Now, the mother prayed and the entire situation changed. Satan is still whispering into your head that the situation that didn't change before prayer has now changed naturally. How long will you keep denying the truth of God while celebrating the lies Satan tells you daily?

LordReed:
No you did not. The question again: Let's be clear are you saying they never move unless they are prayed on?

Quite a simple yes or no question.

And I gave you a comprehensive answer that says this one only moved when the mother prayed. We don't generalize like you atheists erroneously do. "Be one moved, all moves". Or, "Because one never moved, all never moved."

There are no generalizations. What we know is that this one never moved until the mother prayed.