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helinues:
Those who know about economy, those who are into economics and policies, those who are in the position of economy guidance have been praising president Tinubu for how his reforms and policies are changing things yet the so called opposition are claiming they have lost their vision hence can't see a single thing this government has done.

We will campaign the reelection of president Tinubu with projects and achievements. That's the only method we know to win the election without rigging

This is the more reason I do not trust the opposition anymore. Especially Obi and Atiku. If they can still badmouth the good things the president is doing, they're not worthy of leading Nigerians.

Boomark:
quote author=FxMasterz post=136445322]

You also know that what you said is not true.

Here is it, even in your own language.

Great is the mystery of Godliness who was manifest in the flesh ..

So, who is that 'Who' in that verse, and why is the mystery so great? Who is that Godliness that was manifest in the flesh, and is a great mystery?

Hope Boomark is following?

Janosky please come and tell our brother who Godliness is.

Me too I want to learn.

When I told them the spirit of blunder is of antichrist they don't want to hear. I will help him to commit more soon. That's the lot of those who have rejected Christ.

Janosky left it for you, you too left it for Janosky. Are you guys not jokers?

Answer the questions I asked, my brother. Once you answer the questions sincerely, your eyes would open and you would see that you have been frolicking with the spirit of error.

I have not yet shown you the scriptures I have in my stack, yet you're seeking help from one another for simple questions.

Boomark, tell ChatGPT to quote the original Greek of John 1:18 and translate it to English. Afterwards, be bold enough to screenshot it and attach it here.

Boomark:
quote author=FxMasterz post=136445322]

You also know that what you said is not true.

Here is it, even in your own language.

Great is the mystery of Godliness who was manifest in the flesh ..

So, who is that 'Who' in that verse, and why is the mystery so great? Who is that Godliness that was manifest in the flesh, and is a great mystery?

Hope Boomark is following?

See your reply in the screenshot

So, why did you screenshot and make your response unaccessible? I couldn't find your mention relating to the screenshot below.

Why didn't you answer the questions?

Who is the Who in that verse? Why is the manifestation of that Who a mystery? And What is the mystery in the Godliness of that who? You can't understand scriptures if you read letters without asking questions.

God didn't give us letters to consume. He gave them to us to unravel.

John 6:63:

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh (the letters) profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life."

2 Corinthians 3:6

"The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life "

I'm even alarmed that you were mocking the Word of God about the letters that kill.

Boomark:
You called the Words of Jesus Christ kindergarten scriptures? You are even worse than those you are supporting. You mocked the words of Jesus and called it kindergarten sayings. The spirit of the antichrist is no longer difficult to identify.

Boomark, you are very ignorant and you need to learn. You don't even understand simple spiritual language.

The Bible says:
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil "
Hebrews 5:13-14.

You don't even understand simple spiritual language. By kindergarten word, I mean milk of the Word. You're partaking off the milk of the Word and bragging in your little and insufficient knowledge. That's spiritual language.

Here is God's advice for you:
"As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby," 1 Peter 2:2.

Yes, there are kindergarten scriptures and the Bible calls then the milk of the Word. You need to grow and start eating solid food.

The spirit of the antichrist used Apes to teach you things of the spirit

Would you also blaspheme? Keep it up!

Screenshot:
This one is even funny. It was very easy for you to be talking out of point. No wonder you didn't understand the simple thing I asked you to identify.

Now I was talking about those who abandon the teachings of Jesus Christ and you responded with, Jesus teaching is that anyone who has seen him has seen the Father. Which kind of out of point comment id this? Is this how we are going to do the discussion? With off point comments?

No, that response was about those who Jesus rejected even though they called Him Lord. My response was for that post of yours.

The teachings of Jesus Christ is that no one has seen the Father. Oya tell him it's a lie.

You lied!

Jesus never said no one has seen the Father!

It was John who first said in John 1:18, "No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is HIMSELF God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." NIV.

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." - NLT.

New Living Translation
"No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us."

Berean Standard Bible
"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has [/b]made Him known[/b]."

By dwelling on one part of the verse while neglecting the other parts of the same verse, you prove it further that you are feeding on kindergarten scriptures.

You only remembered that no one has yet seen the Father, but your forgot that the Only Begotten has made Him known.

I have screenshot the Greek Interlinear of that same verse to you. See it in the attached image below. The original Greek writings read:

"No one has ever yet seen God. THE ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD, the One Being in the blossom of the Father, HE HAS MADE HIM KNOWN."

These all are what John said in John 1, further corroborated by Jesus in other parts of Scripture.

This is what Jesus said below. Boomark , please read very well.

John 14:8-9 (NIV)

8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

Philip was making a seemingly important request. "Lord, show us the Father."

9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

Jesus was apparently alarmed by Philip's request. He said Philip, don't you know me? Why asking me to show you the Father? After so long a time of being with me? Don't you know Phillip, that anyone who has seen me as seen the Father?

Janosky? Don't you know that anyone who has seen me has seen the Father? Why are you saying no one has seen the Father when many have seen me? ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER.

Hey, these are not my words. These are the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself.

Jesus is saying? Boomark, why are you distorting my Words? By saying no one has ever seen the Father, you have distorted my Words. Don't you know that anyone who has seen me has seen the Father, Boomark?

[37] The Father who sent me is himself a witness about me. You have never heard his voice. You have never seen what he really looks like.

He was talking to the unbelievers here. There's no unbeliever whoo has seen the Father.

Check that Scripture well, that statement was made to unbelievers and not to believers. Are you an unbeliever, Boomark? You have never heard the voice of God? God has never spoken to you by His Spirit?

Even those unbelievers who saw the physical Jesus had not seen the Father. To see the Father, even after meeting the physical Jesus, is by Revelation. And that revelation does not come through flesh and blood.

I just pray your eyes would be opened to be able to see this. A revelation of Jesus Christ is a revelation of the Father.

Have you ever read that Jesus said:

John 14:10: "Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?"

Don't you believe, Boomark? Don't you believe? Janosky?

John 6:46 NIV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who has come from God. Only he has seen the Father.

Half truth, very dangerous kind of truth! Why turn a blind eye to John 1:18 that made the same statement and progresses to say "THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, WHO IS HIMSELF GOD, HAS REVEALED HIM."? Or, is this one not part of Scripture? We balance Scriptures with Scripture to get the gems out. Not quoting disjointed verses without their other counterparts in other parts of Scripture.

It's there in the very NIV that you quoted from. John 1:18. No, you're the one on errand for the Antichrist. Why stand on half truth? Half truth is falsehood! Stand on the Whole of the Bible, not just a part of it.

Its like your job as minister of the antichrist is to make Jesus a liar? He said no one has seen the Father. But I will not tell you what he meant by what you said. The answer is that chapter but you are blinded to see it thats you believe contradictions. I have already seen a great poor and lack of understanding in the things you wrote.

But all I see is empty boasting without deep knowledge of Scriptures, and a leaning to that part of Scripture that soothes you and supports your ideology while neglecting the rest. The Antichrist preaches half truth. He says "Eat the fruits, you shall not surely die." That's half truth because indeed you shall not die physically, but the second truth is that you shall die spiritually. The Antichrist hid the second truth from them.

The half truth is that no one has seen the Father. The second truth is that The Only Begotten Son had revealed Him. For whoever has seen the Son has seen the Father.

Ndi Jesus disciples fellowship

Says Boomark who feeds on half truth and brags on kindergarten scriptures.

If a man writes a book and says in one place, I have 2 ducks and 2 goats. And he says in another place, 'I have 2 goats'. Is it right to for you to conclude only in the second statement, and posit that only the 2 goats are the livestock the man has? You need to remember his first other statement about ducks, and make the right judgement that he has 4 livestocks.

Jesus said no one has seen the Father when talking to unbelievers, but you need to remember that He also said those who see Him have seen the Father. John also testified that Jesus came to reveal the Father.

So, before Jesus came, no one had seen the Father. But before He left, He revealed the Father. He Himself is the manifestation of the Father, and those who see Him have seen the Father.

If you cannot see the Father in Jesus, it's because you don't know Jesus.

Janosky:

In the Greek manuscript of 1 Timothy 3:16, "GOD" is not there .
Trinitarians inserted ,ADDED "God" to the verse to pursue an agenda the bible does not approve.

The Greek rendition is "HE/WHO/WHICH was made manifest in the flesh".

Please go & verify this fact.

You also know that what you said is not true.

Here is it, even in your own language.

Great is the mystery of Godliness who was manifest in the flesh ..

So, who is that 'Who' in that verse, and why is the mystery so great? Who is that Godliness that was manifest in the flesh, and is a great mystery?

Hope Boomark is following?

Janosky:

Hebrew 1:8 was copied from Psalms 45:6.
NIV distorted Hebrew 1:8 is not original copy of Psalms 45:6-7 in the Hebrew language Masoretic texts.
Hebrew 1:8 was copied from Psalms 45:6.
Oga,Go and read Psalms 45:6 in the Catholic new Jerusalem Bible, The Message Bible as well as Hebrew language Masoretic Text (because Psalms was translated from Hebrew language).
Then, you would discover the lie ,distortion ADDED to your NIV rendition of Hebrew 1:8.

In a nutshell, Psalms 45:6-7 Hebrew language rendition:
"Your throne is from God/ God is your throne".

Distortion of Hebrew 1:8 is unacceptable.
The correct rendition of Hebrew 1:8 copied from Psalms 45:6 does not support Trinity .
Screenshot evidences

My friend, there's no way you want to put it.

Even if you claim distortion, there's only one throne in the universe, and that throne is God's throne. There are no two thrones in heaven. And of that same one throne, the screenshots you attached called it the Son's throne. By talking to the Son and referring to God's throne as 'Your throne ' while talking to the Son, makes the one throne the Son's throne, and this same throne is God's throne. If God's throne is the Son's throne and there's just only that one throne, then the Son is the same God who owns the same throne.

Jesus called Himself the Son of God in John 5, the Jews who have better understanding than you, took up stones to cast at Him because they know from the above verse that if you claim to be the Son of God, then you are God by implication.

John 5:18: "Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him; for not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

The Jews didn't want to believe Jesus is the Son of God because they know that believing Jesus is the Son of God means Jesus is God. This is one reason why the Jews rejected Him.

If you tell a Jew that you believe Jesus is the Son of God but He's not God. To him, you're a massive joke because he knows that the Son of God is God.

So, how do you want to put it? That throne is God's throne and the Son's throne.

I believe Boomark could help you.

Janosky:
Oga, are you missing the message of John 4:24 & John 5:37,43?
Yes.
According to Jesus, Jehovah God the Almighty Spirit NEVER became Flesh.
Jesus his son another spirit being became flesh, confirmed by Romans 8:3.
This fact is not rocket science nau.




Oga, your own Bible @Hebrew 6:13, 1 Corinthians 11:3,John 14:28. Ephesians 4:6,Oga record this scripture into your brain.

Oga,Your own Bible says Jehovah God the Almighty Spirit Being is GREATER THAN Jesus and ALL spirit beings.
Oga,Allow this Bible truth into your heart.

My friend, is this in your Bible:

Hebrews 1:8, which says, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever...". That's KJV.

I'm sure Boomark too saw this and thought it's a mistake of Scripture.

This verse is translated in NIV as "Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever" (NIV) or "But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever'" (ESV).

I can bring you hidden scriptures that are not even commonly used by Trinitarians. You'll need to create a dedicated thread and invite me. I have a lot to reveal. I am one of those privileged to be thoroughly taught of the Lord and not by man.

Boomark:
The doctrine of trinity is falsehood that is target against God by satan and the antichrist.

No, the doctrine of God not being a trinity is falsehood that is target against God by satan and the antichrist.

Let them continue thinking of me the same way while they continue rejecting Jesus' words. At least I have proven they are doing the will of the antichrist by rejecting the words of Jesus Christ.

But they'll be right to think of you so because you're actually the one rejecting the Words of the Lord Jesus.

Meanwhile the bolded up there is wrong. I will soon make you people see your errors. We can discuss it somewhere else or you can make a claim here and I will counter it.

It's the other way round my brother, I'll make you see your errors rather.

Any spirit that reveal things that make people to reject the words of Jesus Christ is from satan. Those who don't continue with what Jesus Christ said does not have God. He came and told us what God said through him, the will of God.

Absolutely correct. The doctrine of God not being a Trinity fits very well into this narrative.

2 John 1:9 HCSB
[9]Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.

And Christ's teaching is that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father.

You go beyond to form a name(Trinity) and doctrine for yourselves. Something Christ never taught and is not found anywhere in the scripture. You think God forgot to say it through Christ.

A name could have been formed but not a doctrine. The doctrine itself is fully grounded and established in Scripture.

If you have left these Christ sayings and teachings or twisted any of them, you don't have God:

Apparently applies to you.

1. The Father is greater than I, (John 14:28). Instead you people make him equal to God.

We didn't. The manifestation in the flesh cannot be as the real Glory in the Spirit. So, the sayings of Christ is true that the Father is greater than Jim but the Father is the One who manifested as the Son in a much lesser form than His real self to serve a purpose. An a for that acts an ape in a movie is greater than the ape he is acting, isn't it? Jesus was was the Father acting on earth.

"[b]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory," 1 Timothy 3:16.

2. The Father is My God and your God, (John 20:17, Revelation 3:12)

Absolutely, the same way the Actor is the man of the ape he is acting as well as the man of everyone around the ape.

3. I have come to do the will of my God, (Psalm 40:7-8, Hebrew 10:5-7)

Jesus is God's Word and God's Word is God's Will.

4. Pray to the Father, (. John 16:23-27, Matthew 6:6-9)
5. Worship God the Father in spirit and truth, (John 4:21-26). The Messiah explained it, Vs 26.
6. Make them one just as we are one. (Join 17:21-22)
7. The Father is the only true God, (John 17:3).
8. I come from God. (John 16:27,30).[/b][/quote]All the above are kindergarten verses that are used by people who read only the letters of the Word without the revelation of the Spirit.

If you have turned away from these things to believe a certain revelation from any spirit, the scripture said it clearly that you don't have God. And you don't also have the Son of God. You have abandoned what the Holy spirit inspired and is written in black and white to follow personal revelation.

But you are the one who turned away and abandoned the true word of God by limiting your knowledge to letters. Hey, my brother, "The letter kills. The Spirit gives life."

See those who have abandoned the will of God revealed through Christ and have been missled and deceived by prophecies, casting of demons, signs and wonders.

If you're not misled then you should be able to do all.these things. If you're not doing them, you're not a believer. Those are Jesus' own Words.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

Yes, because there are those who started with Him that might not finish with Him. The fact that they worked miracles showed whom they started with. The fact that Jesus rejected them shows whom they ended with. Bit if you never started with Him, you can never have the experience except you got ithe counterfeit from Satan.

See the condition to enter the kingdom of God in bold. You can't reject God's word that came through Jesus Christ and still want to enter his kingdom. Did you see how those people think they were pleasing Christ but Christ turned them towards God the Father's will?

But you reject God's Words like the Pharisees who read only letters, and who thereby lacked the knowledge of Scriptures and had no access to the power of God. Mathew 22:29.

Those who disregard the words of Jesus Christ don't have God. They don't also have Christ.

This is why you need to sit down and be taught the ways of God more perfectly, otherwise, you'll think you mow God when you don't know Him at all.

Janosky:
Don't project your false claim on Janosky.
You don't want to allow John 4:24 to stay in your heart.
Oga, continue deceiving yourself [/b]

Jesus is now a Spirit Being, and has always been until the WORD BECAME FLESH and DWELT AMONG MEN. The Word was not always flesh. It BECAME FLESH.

John 4:24 & John 5:37,43,John 14:28 God the Almighty spirit is greater than Jesus in the spirit realm.
God the Almighty Spirit NEVER became flesh.
Please allow John 4:24 , John 5:37 & Romans 8:3 to stay in your heart.
Oga,please don't be deceiving yourself.

Was the Word plastic before it became Flesh?

Even if the Word was a god before it became Flesh, is a god plastic?

Answer me!

Jesus became flesh for a while and returned to being Spirit as He is today. You false prophets even calm Him a mighty Spirit King.

Your assumption was that Jesus is not God because God is Spirit. Now, do you agree that Jesus is Spirit? Nobody is asking you about greater spirits. You didn't say God is greater spirit.

Janosky:
Jesus taught me John 4:24 " God is a Spirit " being.

FxMasters: "God is triune beings."
Oga,John 4:24 is not in your heart.
Stop deceiving yourself.

So, Jesus is not currently a Spirit Being? This your lopsided thinking regarding Scriptures is why you misinterpret and mis represent Scriptures. Jesus is now a Spirit Being, and has always been until the WORD BECAME FLESH and DWELT AMONG MEN. The Word was not always flesh. It BECAME FLESH.

Janosky:
Did Jesus Christ teach you that God is triune spirit beings?
John 4:24. John 5:37,43 ,John 13:16 & Hebrew6:13.
Oga stop deceiving yourself.[/b]


Jesus Christ teach you hierarchy in heaven @ Revelation 1:1 ,Revelation 3:5,12.
Oga, stop cleaving to man made conjectures built on human philosophies.
From Genesis to Revelation, Jesus Christ is not a Trinitarian.

There's nothing to teach you. So, please stop mentioning me, because when you are shown the truth verbatim, you'll always look the other way and abandon the thread while you continue in your own delusions.

I'll like to discuss with Truth seekers only. Not those who love their own lies and have made liars their gods.

Boomark:
I know what I am saying my brother.

See how this trinitarian Gabrielshow24 mocked Jesus Christ while trying to defend Trinity. He didn't know there was no escape for him for being either against me or against Christ.

He tried to push the false dichotomy to me until I showed him that he is still against Christ. He is telling us that asking people, "do you believe in what Jesus and his words?" After claiming he is intelligent, he failed woefully.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_OdAWggZAU?si=zkzyF2lZhGOqq2Jq

There are many others like him who ignored and refused to believe Christ. They opposed me as people who have another master. I know the one they are serving and I have already told them.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood/4#136398543

I believe they're thinking the same of you, my brother.

You don't need to address them they way you did.

The doctrine of the Trinity is a Bible truth. The evidence of Scripture is indisputable. I serve the Lord Christ, abd His power is manifest in and through me in all His fullness. And this Christ of the New Testament is the Jehovah of the Old.

The truths of Scripture are the gems of the Kingdom. You can't get them by mere surface study. These are the deep things of God. God by His nature is a triune Being but your inner eyes needs be opened before you can see that in Scripture. If you deal by Revelation, you will see. If you deal by mere sense knowledge, you will never see. It is the Spirit of God that reveals the deep things of God.

Image123:
i didn't accuse him wrongly. Admitting that will be the lie. i used a double negative, which i admit can be confusing but is not wrong.
Boomark said ChatGPT's default program favour Trinity. i told him no, and gave him picture proof from ChatGPT itself proving him wrong. This is the incident that i clearly referred to later in a double negative. Boomark knew this and quoted it but somehow wanted some brownie points as typical. i am very sorry that he is offended but i didn't lie against him. He simply didn't understand the double negative statement that i used.

Alright brother.

The Lord will be glorified in Jesus name.

Boomark:
I was falsely accused in the post I made in link below.
I would like you to check if it is a false accusation or he is right. What I said was marked with pink and what image123 accused me of saying marked with green

What I said about ChatGPT in the first screenshot:

Me: It's default program favours trinity.

What I was accused of saying in the bolded:

Image123: Prior to my corrections, you erroneously denied ChatGPT's default program doesn't favour Trinity.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/3#136385350

See another place where he made the same statement. So I want you people to honestly tell us the truth. Thank you.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/3#136380242

gohf, Janosky, Emusan.

In all honesty, Boomark posited that ChatGPT does favour Trinity, while Image123 claimed It doesn't.

Image123, please kindly admit as a true child of God that you wrongly accused Boomark. I know it might be an oversight. It wouldn't have been deliberate but be mature enough to admit it and apologize.

I must commend image123 for the good efforts he has put into the discussion and all his contributions so far. However, I would want him to honorably admit his wrong and thereby continue gaining the trust and respect of readers.

Personally, I can attest to it that ChatGPT favours the Trinity doctrine. It is trained in whatever is popular. The Trinity doctrine is more popular than the no-Trinity doctrine.

I'll counsel my brother, Image123 to apologize to Boomark in the spirit of love and Christian brotherhood.

However, I would advise my brother, Boomark to stop making absolute assertions on the matter. Calling the Trinity doctrine a false doctrine when you are yet to prove it so, is uncultured.

I still have a lot to show you from the Scriptures once you're done with Image123. Do not make definitive remarks because the Scriptures say of us: And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 1 Corinthians 8:2.

I've moved my response to the main thread.

Response moved to main thread..

Image123:
Ask Boomark, he called you. i don't have enough to say.

Okay.

Boomark:
Please check the screenshot I posted and tell us if he actually said what i said. Don't mind him.

Please kindly briefly explain better so that I can know what to verify.

I don't yet understand what you're vith dragging because I've been away for sometime now. I just logged in yesterday.

Image123:
Job_5:2  For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one.
Hos_7:11  Ephraim also is like a silly dove without heart: they call to Egypt, they go to Assyria.
2Ti_3:6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Not saying you should go and start name-calling anyone, though, just proving all things. If a kid is misbehaving, there's nothing wrong with telling the kid not to be silly.

But, the situation right now is different. All those silly ones mentioned in the scriptures you quoted are not believers.

Jesus said if you call your brother 'Raca' you'll be in danger of hell. Please be guided. It's not good to call a fellow believer or even anyone whatsoever such names.

I do not understand your points on contention yet. Please can you briefly explain? I've been away for sometime, just logged in again yesterday.

Boomark:
It means lied.

I couldn't post because of it.

I will call on gohf, Janosky, FxMasterz, and Emusan to tell us for the sake of truth. In all honesty, if what I said, is the same as what Image123 is accusing me of saying. 2 non-trinitarian and 2 trinitarian.

We will continue when we see what they say. Its like Image123 has a problem.

What are you guys even fighting about? You're discussing scriptures and still have the guts to call one another 'silly' and referring to yourselves as having a problem. Who do you guys really represent?

Great testimony.


May your victory be permanent in Jesus name.

May God use this testimony to liberate all readers who are currently held in bondage to the spirit of lust.

Boomark:
Good evening bro

Let me finish with him first.

Alright brother.

Boomark:
FxMasterz

Good evening bro.

What I meant is that you can discuss with image123 here incase you have something to discuss with respect to trinity. You will talk when you can post it during his turn. You have seen how we make our presentation. I am not answering any question.

Just make claim to what you believe in with your key verses and I will present a rebuttal.

No vex for the removal of your post. It was part of the rule.

Good evening my brother.

Can you create a thread for you and I to discuss this, or would you like to finish off with Image123 first?

FreeStuffsNG:
“The American administration is a full partner in the crime of starvation and genocide,” said Hamas. It added that Witkoff’s visit was “nothing more than a pre-arranged theatrical performance” to provide Israel with “political cover for managing starvation and continuing the systematic killing of children and unarmed civilians from our people.”


US and its proxy Israel always think that everyone else is stupid. Smh..

So Hamas should disarm so that US and it's proxy, Isreal, can finish all the Palestinians patapata after the genocide. Soroniyen?

Hamas will be naive and stupid to disarm. It's obvious that they are not stupid like the Americans thought. There must be balance of power between the two states of Israel and Palestine like South Korea and North Korea before the two states solution will even work.

You better quickly join the next flight to Palestine and don't be stupid to stay in Nigeria while goading Hamas on. You must support them with all your might.

There are hostages in Gaza that must be released. The civilians that Hamas brutally attacked and killed on that October 7 did Hamas no wrong!

Jerusalem belongs to Israel and will never become the capital of Palestine. Hamas should lay down arms or die!

Boomark:
Please take note of the rules and post only in the discussion thread here.

https://www.nairaland.com/8484151/bible-challenge-prove-trinity-falsehood#136238868

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All noted my brother.

As I previously said, this cannot be taken as an argument. We cannot be arguing the scriptures. Leave that to unbelievers.

However,we can discuss the Word of God for our edification and learning. And that's the very purpose of my engaging you here.

I understand why you decided to put out a challenge and create a debate, but nevertheless, we cannot do contrary to the Word of God that says to shun all forms of arguments that are unprofitable and gender strife.

I believe that if we both see it from the perspective of edification and learning, at the end of the day, we all shall be blessed, and the Lord shall be Glorified. If this will not glorify the Lord, kindly count me out.

Please note that my responses may be coming in very late during the first few days of our discourse. Please bear with me.

Now, kindly answer the questions I asked you yesterday to open the floor of this discussion. The questions are rephrased:

1. Is there anyone or persons in the entire universe you consider worthy of worship?

2. How many are they, and who are they?

God bless you real good, my brother.

Boomark:
My brother I'm good.

This discussion you want us to do now is also an argument. It is not different from everything that has been going on in this forum.


Let me show you recent example of why it is not profitable.

This guy named FreeIgboho

He asked me a question and I replied with a scriptural example here.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/50#136250474

I asked him a question here
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/51#136260947

But instead of answering my question from the link above, he kept on saying something I never said.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/52#136262070

He called me poor guy when I told him I don't discuss with deceitful people.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/52#136263767

He said he correct himself and apologised if I show him where I asked the question. And I showed him here below.
https://www.nairaland.com/8456831/why-jesus-definitely-god/52#136264167

But till now I have not seen any correction nor apology. This is not what I will continue doing with people here. Some people are just here to waste people's time. They only interested in twisting what someone says so that people will feel you don't know what you are doing. And we will continue moving in circle.

He will not agree to discuss scripture with this method because he has nothing to offer except lies and talking out of point.

We are not arguing but reasoning from the scripture. The point there is for people to know that a particular claim is correct and based on the scripture. There won't be any distractions from other people posting until we finish the discussion and people will see all the bible verses supporting or countering any claims.

Concerning the worship discussion, why not do it with a Jehovah's witness? I will be by the side and learn. But if you want me to do it then you will give me time. The trinity bible discussion will be starting tomorrow.

Glad to hear from you my brother!

The attitudes you described is typical of most people on this forum but it seems FreeIgboho already offered an explanation. Please pardon him. It was due to a technical glitch. I myself didn't see your mention of yesterday until I opened your thread and saw my mention your thread.

Regarding the worship question, it is a foundation I would like to lay for the Trinity discourse. Please answer it as a way of kick-starting the Trinity discussion.

God bless you real good!

God1000:
This barbarity and genocidal war has to stop, enough of these senseless killings

Tell Hamas to release the hostages! Is that difficult to do?

If your loved ones are held hostage by me, would you stop warring against me if I refuse to release your loved ones?


If Hamas loves the Palestinians, they should release Israeli hostages! The war will end today if Hamas releases the hostages today.

Boomark:
Let me show you how people reject Christ because of trinity. Anyone who has rejected things Christ said because of their church doctrine has no business preparing for eternity or living as a child of God they have rejected.

I asked this my friend this question. Do you believe what Christ said in those scriptures? You can see how she called what the scripture of what Jesus said anything. She only agreed with me because she doesn't have time to debate.

It is like they are loyal to someone we don't know yet and that person is not Christ. No respect for his words anymore because it doesn't suit their doctrine.

Which eternity, or salvation or living like a child of God would anyone who has rejected Christ. She still didn't answer properly after everything because their mind has been turned against Christ. It was done in a subtle way so they don't realise it.

One pastor stopped reading a passage I told him to read and explain in Revelation. He got close to what we are looking for and stopped. I told him to continue but he refused and was busy telling me to stop opposing God. I was like why are people like this. Claiming right even in wrong deed.

I have another evangelist friend who could not tell the truth about something in a single verse. After correcting him, he said he doesn't want to continue discussing with me. That he made reference to what he knew somewhere and that if I don't want to take what he said I should leave it. Just see in the last picture what an adult evangelist explained. He is not an illiterate but they can lie and twist the word of God just to hold onto their doctrine. He told me this same thing that he is more interested in righteous and holiness. When he hasn't handled the things that can make him to lie any day any time.

And many more like that.

Boomark, longest time. Trust you're doing well.

I have restrained myself from unnecessary arguments of Scripture because it is very unprofitable. Most people come online with a rigid mindset
and would not be persuaded even when shown scripures that address their issues directly. I myself, at many times after being shown some other sides of a scriptures, I have had to agree with the other person that he's right while I was wrong. But, I have seen no other person do that. Most people respect themselves than they respect the word of God. They want to argue and win arguments as a thing of pride. This is not Christ like. I will not argue or debate the scriptures with you for the saje of scoring points. God forbid. It is very unprofitable. The Bible already forwarned us about debates and arguments. They only gender strife: 2 Timothy 2:23-25.

There's no genuine Christian who I'll engage you in discussions related to the Bible if you present your case as an argument where points will be scored. That's why most knowledgeabke Christians on the forum didn't honour you with a dedicated audience.

You already started on a wrong footing because we discuss scriptures for edification and not for points. If you'll change course and agree that you and I should edify ourselves by sharpening iron with iron, and thereby also edify all who read our posts, then we can have a really good time together discussing the nature of God. So, let's put all debates and arguments aside. Let's forget about points scoring, and let's "Do all things to edification." 1 Corinthians 14:26.

I believe that you already understand my position and would be very much willing to glorify God with your posts and edify the saints as well. Hence, I will like to engage you a bit, that all may learn from our posts and also be edified.

With regards to your topic, before we go any further into discussing the nature of God and His Trinity, I'll like you to know that you cannot discover God's triune nature except by divine revelation. This is not a matter that can be discovered by mere sense knowledge.

However, God's nature is revealed even in the things He created. Man, created in God's image is a trinity of some sort with a spirit, a soul and a body. Even an atom which is the basic building block of matter exists on this principle of trinity, for an atom is a trinity as well, being made up of Protons, Electrons and Neutrons. This should have a logical appeal to your intellect and should make you open up the more to a deeper study of God's nature. These things cannot be found by just reading the letters of the Word.

Now, you must be ready to take the Word of God at its face value. Not giving it your own private interpretations but taking God's Word as is.

If you're ready to do this, let's open the floor by considering these two questions directed at Boomark:

1. How many people in the entire universe do you consider worthy of receiving worship?

2. Can you kindly name the only person or persons you consider worthy of worship? Please name them if you have any.

I'll engage you further after you have provided answers to the two questions above.

God bless you n

saddler:
Make whatever you want of it.

Before the arrival of Oranmiyan in Benin, there was already an existing Monarchy and till date , the records of the kings that reigned in Edo are still on record. By the time Benin was created, there was nothing like Yoruba. That's the emphasis. Yoruba as we know it now was first used to refer to Oyo and then recently became an umbrella name for Southwestern Nigerians.

Talking about who birth who between ife and Benin is another topic. There are two narratives on what actually happened and you can decide to go with whatever narrative deoending on whose side you belong.



The contention between Ife

U have used the Benin obá titie and the population difference to establish what could be the truth between the two accounts.

I have also posted that Ife could not have birthed Benin and Benin could not have birthed Ife. They both existed independently. The bone of contention is "Which monarchy is superior?" or "which monarchy birthed the other monarchy?"

I have drawn inferences from the vastness of each monarchy. The Yorùbá monarchical system with its complex Infrastructure and vastness couldn't have been an offshoot of the smaller Benin kingdom.

The Title of the Benin Oba is the same title as that of a Yoruba prince. That goes a long way to establish the truth in this matter.

The reason for the conflict is that the Benin stiol does not want to acknowledge that a Yoruba prince once ruled over them. This is understandable. But to say a Binin prince founded Yoruba kingdom is really not feasible at all. It can't be. Just see it from a logical perspective.

saddler:
Yoruba was created by Ajayi Crowther.

Benin has been existing long before Yoruba.
What was known was Oyo and ife .

Oyo was even more relevant than ife and Benin is way older than Oyo because Oranmiyan left Benin before he established Oyo empire.

Correct to some extent. However, I want you to understand that Oranmiyan was himself a prince of a Yoruba king. That means Yoruba existed and had a monarchy before Oranmiyan ventured into Benin. Also, you need to note that Oyo is part of Yoruba. So, a reference to Oyo is not a reference to the whole Yoruba. So, while Oranmiyan left Benin to found the Oyo empire, it does not mean He founded the Yoruba people after leaving Benin. Please differentiate between Oyo and Benin. Oranmiyan's activities do not make Benin older than Oyo. Though it might be correct to say the Benin people existed in Nigeria before the Yoruba people settled in Nigeria. However, the Benin never ruled over Oyo but an Oyo Prince once ruled over Benin. I already attached a screenshot below - taken from Wikipedia.

The bone of contention is that the Benin monarchy cannot birth Yoruba monarchy. The Yoruba monarchy is too vast to be an offspring of the Benin monarchy.

zeuss:
First, population does not translate to direction of development if it did, Nigeria for colonized Britain 100 times over,but the reverse is reality.
Benin Kingdom already had an ambassador in Portugal 200 years before the rise and spread of the oyo empire. You will not find Yoruba names in Benin folklore rather the reverse the reality.

No, I'm not using population to validate development superiority. I'm using population to say that the Benin or its monarchy cannot birth the Yoruba or its monarchy as you posted. It is more probable to say that both Kingdoms have separate origins. By vastness of the empire of Oyo, I meant to say a much lesser empire like that of the Benin kingdom cannot be the progenator of the Yoruba monarchy. The reverse will be the case. I also refuted your Oba title claim. The Benin king is an Ife prince because a Yoruba king once ruled Benin. You still have Yoruba fingerprints there in your palace. There's a place there where you bury Oyo kings in the Benin palace labelled Orun Ọba Oyo. You may erase all references to Yoruba In your traditions but you cannot completely remove the Yoruba fingerprints.

Here is what Wikipedia has to say.in the screenshot attached below.

This is consistent with your Omo 'n Oba title for your kings. They're Omo oba. Princes of a Yoruba king.