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MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:
“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." Matthew 28:18

Just as Satan also said:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish" Luke 4:6

Jesus never denied Satan's claim but told his disciples that it's true! John 14:30

Does that mean Satan owns this planet?

NO its rulership was handed over to him for a period of time just as the rulership of heaven and earth was given to Jesus for a period of time the scriptures clearly says that Satan will be destroyed {Revelations 20:10} while Jesus will hand over to his God and father! 1Corinthans 15:27-28


The highlighted are misconstrued lies to blacklist God's Organization but since you choose to believe that's your own cup of coffee what everyone knows is the JWs we have in our area aren't doing such things!

Well, I don't think they're lies. There's report in many countries. Let's leave that, and let's get to the question.

The question has not been answered. I didn't ask if Jesus will hand over or not. You know, His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom. Everyone knows that. It's peace has no end. Everyone knows that. But that's not the question. Just trying to pick some issues with your handover point.

Back to the question. Is Jesus King of Heaven and Earth?

Janosky:
Whereas at Nicene in 326 & 381 AD, & in the Nicene Creed your Trinitarian mentors said Jesus is a person distinct/different from God his Father.
Read Oga Steep & Ken screenshot.

My friend.

I don't go by what what any man or cred says. I go by what I see for myself in Scripture. I will never allow any man's error to be my error, or allow any man to deceive or muslead me. The Scriptures has all the Truths I need to know about God.

MaxInDHouse:
Child molestation that's happening in your own area or lies you are told about the most peaceful organization? Matthew 5:11-12
Well if there is no version of the Bible in which TRINITY is written it's OK!

Lol.

My friend, there are more peaceful organizations than the JW. But you see, the child molestation thing has made international news, and have really damaged the reputation of your organization. There are also other sordid facts about your organization that are not good for the ears.

In a nutshell, God is not a God of a religion. God is not moved by religion. Please check the Bible well. God is only moved by your relationship with Him. He is a God of relationships. That's why He is called The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not the God of any religion. He's the God of those three people who first related cordially with Him, and He's still the God of anyone who.gets intimate with Him through Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
It's like your friend is here so you can start mimicking him meanwhile he's the one i was referring to on the other thread.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

Please, Is Jesus King of Earth alone or of Heaven and Earth?

PulsingPurple:
Mehnnn... Thank you

Really appreciate this, simple but deep enough. Absolutely understand every point.

I might not necessarily flow with the entire explanation since as you know, there's Scriptural backing to support the other idea that Jesus is separate enough from Jehovah. But there's no issue at all, just wanted to see through your lens...
(I believe something quite close sha, but not exactly similar).

Was just observing zero talk about the Holy Spirit. 😅
Which is exactly what I was thinking about cos omo, that's the one place I have absolutely no knowledge on so if I was typing something like this, I'd likely also talk at length about Jehovah and Jesus and totally avoid the Spirit.

Smiling, you're welcome brother.

We have had a brief talk about the Holy Spirit in a previous thread but let me just share a few things with you here.

The Holy Spirit is God. That's why when the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us, we say God is in us. When the Holy Spirit gives you an instruction, you can rightly say, God spoke to you.

But interestingly, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ as well. Both God and Christ have the same Holy Spirit. This makes it even clearer that both God and Christ are the same person. Let's see this Scripture here:

Let's look at Romans 8:9, which states:

"You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they are not his."

The Spirit of God lives in you, and that's also the Spirit of Christ. If the Spirit of God and of Christ does not live in you, then, you're none of Christ's.

There are several other Scriptures but this one should actually open our eyes as to who the Holy Spirit is.

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SarcasticWords:
I see where the confusion comes from, brother. Christ is divine and shares the same essence as the Father, so He is worshiped. Yet He did not make Himself equal to the Father. Philippians 2:6–7 explains this clearly.

Correct brother!

Thanks for standing by the Truth.

But on my God can be worshipped. If Christ is worshipped without being God, then, we have a serious problem in our hands.

It is a role matter. Take for instance, an artist who acts two different roles in a movie. He acts at janitor in one scene and as a company manager in another. Definitely, the manager role is greater than the janitor role, but both the manager and the janitor are the same person. Not two.

God, has had a purpose to fulfill in the universe because of the fall of man Luke an artiste, He has to take on some 3 different roles to ensure that He performed certain tasks for man, which man cannot perform for himself.

For example,man sold mankind to Satan. Only man can therefore redeem man. But man is unable to redeem man because no man is able to meet the criteria for a Redeemer. So, what did God do? He played the role of a man in Jesus so that He can through Jesus fulfil the criteria for a Redeemer, and therefore Redeem man by the man. Heist Jesus.


That's why salvation and redemption is a great mystery and miracle.

SarcasticWords:
FxMasterz

Please explain this : “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

If Jesus is God The Father Incarnate, Shouldn't he know the day or hour? Why does he not know the day or Hour even though all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth?

I have given you an elaborate answer in my answer to Pulsingpurple. But, let me make this little addition here.


Jesus came as Both man and God. He manifests both sides without mixing them up.

It a role thing. There are things Jesus did that only God can do. Take for Instancce, the healing of the man born blind in John 10. According to historical records, that man was not only born blind, he had no eyes! The sockets where the eyes should be were covered with flesh. In this particular miracle, Jesus created two eyes from clay exactly like how God did create man in the beginning. That man was given brand new eyes that he never had. That is why that miracle is different from the one of blind Bartimeaus in which Jesus only commanded him to receive what he desired, and he started to see. Remember how the disciples even asked Jesus questions about the John 10 guy. The question, "Who sinned, is it him or his parents that he was born blind?" That's because his case was not actually normal. Jesus had to answer them that it was for the Son of man to be glorified that that man was born blind, without eyes. To provide new eyes for such a person is what only God can do. Jesus demonstrated that The was the One who created the eyes by using clay as a SIGN. The clay was a SIGN. A signal, to signal who He was. Otherwise, He could just says "Get your eyes" and the man would receive eyes. But He went to that length of dipping His hands into the dirty mud because He wanted to reveal something.

So, God is One, and His three personalities define the different roles iHe operates in, in His giant plan of Redemption.

TenQ:
The JW Doctrine is that two Gods exist
1. The Almighty God called Jehovah
2. The mighty god called Angel Michael aka Jesus

How they developed their theology is still a mystery. Just like Muslims, they cooked up for themselves a limited God who very much like Allah of the Muslims is not Omnipresent, nor Omnipotent nor Omniscient.

Wow!

I didn't even know that they preach such gibberish. There's only one God. If the JWs have two Gods, we do not serve the same God.

PulsingPurple:
I don't know, this whole Trinity stuff has been trending but I've not really understood their definition of this Trinity.

Let me add a voice to ask:
Does "Trinity" imply God as one personality/entity embodied/represented in Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?
OR
Does "Trinity" imply the entirety of God as three distinct personalities/entities (Father, Son, Spirit) who together come together to be "God".

Or is there more? What's a basic definition we should have in mind when people like you talk about Trinity.

I think this helps sets the stage to answer your question better.

cc: FxMasterz

Thank you very much for your questions.

God is a very complex Being, there's nothing on earth that we can use to state exactly how God is or who God is. We're limited by language and experience.

However, from what we see in Scripture, God is One Person who manifests in 3 different ways. Some Trinitarians may differ, but, I don't go by popular opinions, I always study the Scriptures by myself to ensure that I do not allow myself to be deceived or misled by another man.

Let me answer the question asked by SarcasticWords here. He has asked me to explain why the Son does not know the time of the end, but only the Father.

I'll also like to ask why the Father is said to be Judge, but eventually we find that the Father does not judge anyone?

The Scriptures call the Father, the Judge of the whole earth, and He's said to do judgement in Righteousness. Now, in the New Testament, the Scripture says" The Father HIMSELF judges no man but has committed ALL judgements to the Son." This Scripture does not say, the Father does no longer judge, and has now transferred the position of Judge to the Son. This is not what that Scripture says. It says, the Father judges no man. He has never judged anyone. It's the Son who judges. In spite of that, the Father is called The Judge of the whole earth.

To understand what's happening, you need to take a look at 1Cor. 12 to see how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together by splitting roles. Yet, all the roles are carried out by one Person - God. Not Gods.

God manifests HIMSELF in different three ways, and assign individual roles to His 3 different manifestations. All manifestations are the manifestation of God. One God. Not three.

Now, God is Judge, not through His Fatherly role but through His role as Son. The Judge part of God is carried out through His Son manifestation. That explains the Scripture regarding God being Judge and yet does not judge anyone.

Now, to your question, God is Omniscient through His Fatherly role. The Omniscience of God lies in His Fatherhood. In His Sonhood lies other roles other than Omniscience. The Son does not know but the Father knows the time of the End. That's something difficult for man to explain because it's beyond the experience of man, but God is not man, what man cannot experience can be experienced by God.

God can have a part of Him that knows all things, and another part that does not know all things. It depends on what God has allocated to each part of Himself for His own Devine purposes.

Now, take note. Not that God cannot Judge. God can judge but He has assigned the judgement role to the Son. In the same vein, not that the Son cannot know, the Son can know but the Omnisicient role is assigned to the Father.

If you will dismiss all other Scripture just because of a few Scripture that depicts the Son as being inferior to the Father, you will have a lot of contradictions in Scripture that you will never be able to solve. And if you decide to ignore other Scripture that places the Son as God, you will not be doing justice to the Word of Truth.

Let me conclude with the following Scripture that further tells us who the Son is:

In Micah 5:2, it is written:

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

The Ruler who'll rule over Israel, which is Jesus has existed from of old, from everlasting. He has existed from eternity past. Like God the Father, He has no beginning.

I studied the Hebrew version of the verse above to find that He has existed without a begining. From an everlasting past. There's no other person who has that type of pre-existence other than God Himself.

So, except we have two Gods, even this Scripture in Micah forces us to agree that God the Father and the Son are the same Person.

Exposing the Paganism in Non-Trinitarianism

Non-Trinitarians often boast of “pure monotheism,” but what they end up with is worse than polytheism. Their doctrine forces Scripture into contradictions—producing two Lords, two Kings, two Creators, two Saviors etc. That is nothing but paganism disguised in Christian language. Let us expose this folly with the Scriptures they cannot refute.

1. Are there two Kings of kings?

Psalm 47:2 – “For the LORD Most High is terrible; He is a great King over all the earth.”

Revelation 19:16 – Of Christ: “And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Question: Are there two Kings of kings ruling the universe, or is this one divine title shared by Father and Son because they are one in essence? If you claim two Kings of kings, you’ve fallen into polytheism.

2. Are there two Lords?

Deuteronomy 10:17 – “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords...”

1 Corinthians 8:6 – “...and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.”

Question: Can the universe have two “Lords of lords”? Scripture insists there is only one Lord (Eph. 4:5). If both Father and Son are called Lord of lords, they are not two, but one Lord.

3. Are there two worshiped in heaven?

Psalm 97:7 – “Worship Him, all ye gods.” (Quoted in Hebrews 1:6 about Jesus: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”)

Revelation 5:13-14 – Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same worship: “Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.”

Question: If God alone is to be worshiped (Ex. 34:14), how can the Lamb also be worshiped together with the Father unless they share the same divine essence? Two worshiped beings = paganism. One worshiped God in Trinity = Christianity.

4. Are there two Saviors?

Isaiah 43:11 – “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.”

Titus 2:13 – “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”

Question: If God alone is Savior, and Jesus is also Savior, are there two redeemers of mankind? Impossible. One divine Savior—Father revealed through the Son.

5. Are there two Shepherds of our souls?

Psalm 23:1 – “The LORD is my Shepherd; I shall not want.”

1 Peter 2:25 – “But are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls” (referring to Christ).

Question: Shall our souls be guided by two different Shepherds? Or is this one eternal Shepherd God, revealed in Father and Son? To claim two Shepherds is again paganism.

6. Are there two fountains of living waters?

Jeremiah 2:13 – God said, “They have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters...”

John 7:38 – Jesus: “He that believeth on Me... out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”

"In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:4

Question: If Jehovah is the Fountain of living waters, and Christ is also the Fountain, are there two Sources of life? Or one Fountain shared by Father and Son?

7. Are there two Creators?

Isaiah 44:24 – God said, “I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone...”

God stretched the heavens alone.

John 1:3 – “All things were made by Him [the Word/Christ]; and without Him was not anything made that was made.”

Colossians 1:15-17 - Talking about Christ, the Scriptures say, "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together".

Question: Did God not stretch the heavens alone? Did He not do all creations alone? How then did we see Christ seemingly supporting Him? Was God lying? No. God is Christ and Christ is God. If you say they're two different persons, which Christ supporting God at creation, you make God a liar for saying He did all of creation alone. Can there be two Creators of heaven and earth? No. There is only one Creator. Thus the Father and Son are not separate gods but one divine Creator.

8. The Kingdom belongs to ‘Our Lord and His Christ,’ yet only one reigns

Revelation 11:15 – “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.”

Notice carefully: Even though it says the Kingdom of this world has become that of Our Lord and of His Christ (seemingly two persons), it doesn’t say they shall reign—but He shall reign. Two Person Kingdom, yet one divine 'He' reigning. Both God and Christ reign forever and ever over the whole universe, but there are no two Kings but one.

Conclusion: Father and Son are not two rival rulers but share one throne, one reign, one eternal sovereignty.

9. Are there two Judges?

The Father as Judge: “God is a righteous judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” (Psalm 7:11)

“For God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.” (Psalm 75:7)

"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25).

Christ as Judge:

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22). Was the Scripture lying to have previously called God the Judge?

“…we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ…” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

The Question

So, are there two Judges?

The OT says God is Judge.

The NT says Christ is Judge.

Jesus even said the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son.

Then what do we have? One Judge who is both God and Christ.

This collapses the non-Trinitarian claim of separation because two different Persons cannot both be the only Judge.

Final Question

If Father and Son both share titles, worship, and attributes that cannot be duplicated (King of kings, Lord of lords, Creator, Savior, Fountain of Life, Shepherd, Judge, then non-Trinitarians must answer:

Are there two gods—or is the mystery of the Trinity the only way to resolve this divine unity?

Anything else is not monotheism. It is nothing short of paganism.

CC: TenQ, Ken4Christ, Gabrielshow24, Image123, Emusan, DoWhatThouWilt, SarcasticWords, FreeIgboho, Janosky

DoWhatThouWilt:
MaxInDHouse is currently enjoying hot ban. No peace.

Lol.

Banned by the truth, not bots.

MaxInDHouse:
Knowing God but no evidence other than mere arguments!

See the result of true religion:



So who told you the KJV has not been mistranslated and full of post=134918247]
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!


well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..


They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Please mention the name of your own church let everyone see what your faith has produced! Matthew 7:16-18

This whole Epistle because of a simple question?


Is Jesus King of Earth alone or of Heaven and Earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Insertion to fit our doctrine or yielding positive results globally as Jesus foretold? Matthew 7:16-18

Oh, I see. Insertion to yield profitable results. But where are the profitable results? Child molestation is a profitable result?


My friend, leave religion and follow after God. In God alone is salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
Has anyone gotten a version of the Bible where the word TRINITY is written?

Why are you running away from the question? You already know the implications of answering that question, isn't it?

If God has not revealed Himself to you, you can do religion but you can never know God.

Is Jesus King on earth alone or King in Heaven and Earth?

MaxInDHouse:
On that thread the highlighted belongs to a poster who keeps posting false accusations about God's organization so relax it wasn't meant for you.

Regarding the faithful and discreet slave Jesus mentioned it:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

That's the small group Jesus promised us that we will rely on during this difficult endtime for spiritual food.

In another instance Jesus referred to them as the BODY which wise people will gather around them:

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together.” Luke 17:37

So we believe in what is written in God's word!

Lol. In your JW Bible I supposed. That's a strange insertion to fit your doctrines, isn't it?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Jehovah is a name not title like God or Lord. In ancient Israel the title Lord was used for people but the divine name Jehovah belongs only to one person so if Jesus was called Lord it's because he is the chosen or anointed King he is not Jehovah!

My friend.

Is Jesus King of Earth only, or King of Heaven and Earth?

Emusan:
Or you should have rather asked him where was the word 'Bible' that he normally uses can be found in the God's word OR to expose his hypocrisy the more, you can ask him where does he find the word 'Theocracy' in the scripture?

Note: In other to whitewash THEOCRACY being used by Watchtower, he'll tell you, Jws don't preach it which is a lie and I've also seen where he tried to avoid using the word Bible by claiming that was the reason Watchtower chooses NEW WORLD and didn't call their version of the scripture BIBLE which is also a lie but Watchtower publications & awake are fill with the usage of BIBLE.

Hey, Maxindhouse my friend, I was asked to direct these questions at you. Can you please shed lights on these?

Possible verdict, if you cannot find goose your many terms in the Bible, you don't have the rationality to question why Trinity is not there.

And as I have told you. The word Trinity itself is not the issue. The issue is that God is found in Scripture to be a Triune Being. You can call that phenomenon any name you like. Trinity is only one of such terms for describing the phenomenon.

SarcasticWords:
Yes, so what else do you have for me? Lets keep this ball rolling, No time for slow learners

Go and study the implications of rejecting the Word of God. I mean, believing only parts of it, and rejecting the rest.

Have you seen that the Lamb was worshipped in cohort with God in Revelation? Have you seen that the Lamb never worshipped anyone? Have you seen that God and the Lamb are the LIGHT, not LIGHTS of the New Jerusalem?

MaxInDHouse:
Has anyone gotten a Bible version where TRINITY is found written?🤔

Has anyone gotten a Bible version where The Faithful Discreet Slave is found?

Hey, I saw a post where you were jubiliating that I was banned. I wasn't banned actually, I was just busy and couldn't respond to comments.

You even cursed on that post saying, "no peace to the wicked". Am I now a wicked man for showing you the true Word of God? But your deceivers who have changed the Bible to suit their satanic doctrines which you hold dear as life are saints isn't it?

Everything I wrote in the OP are Scripture based. I took nothing from outside, yet you reject them and call me wicked, wishing me no peace. Let me shock you. I enjoy unprecedented levels of peace and tranquility, purely given to me by the Lord who said "My Peace I give unto you. Not as the world giveth." I enjoy Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.

SarcasticWords:
Yes. He said the father is greater. He never said I and the father are equals.
The relationship is enough for you to understand. Father and Son. not Father and Father. One is greater than the other. One commands, the other one acts. One sends, the other one moves. This is very simple to understand.



You are not going with what he said with his mouth. You are picking certain verses and twisting it to your own narrative. The fact remains, Jesus NEVER equated himself with the father.

John 5:19 “The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing…”

John 8:28 – “…I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”

John 5:30 – “I can of mine own self do nothing… I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”



Read the scriptures I listed above to understand what jesus meant. Somebody has told you that the father is greater than him, you want to by force equate him with the father. chai.

My dear, read the OP with understanding. Jesus spoke as man and God. You have chosen to take only what He said as man but not what He said as God, while I acknowledge both.

Now, you ignored that He also said He who has seen Him has seen the Father, isn't it? You also ignore that He is the Word of God, and John 1:1 says The Word is God. You also ignore His statements when He said, I and my Father are One. Didn't you?

You believe Jesus is not God because you hold on to only one part of what He said. I hold on to everything He said. I believe that Jesus is both God and man.

Gabrielshow24:
You should have asked him whether or not the words omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnificient among others are found in the bible 👀yet he alludes to them.

If that is his excuse🥱 then he has no case. Obviously, ’Jesus being Michael’ isn't written either but he can ’defend’ his stance through false equivocations 😵‍💫.

Spot on!

Maxindhouse, over to you.

SarcasticWords:
And like i answered your brother TenQ,
I prefer to go with what Jesus Christ said with his own mouth, which is: The father is GREATER than I.

Stop forcing Jesus Christ to be what you want him to be. Accept him the way he has described himself.

In a nutshell, you prefer to go with one side of what Jesus said with His own moth., while I prefer to go with all Jesus said with His own mouth. Including what He said in John 14 when He asked Phillip: "Don't you know me Philip? Why are you asking me to show you the Father? Everyone's who has seen Me has seen the Father." Paraphrased

MaxInDHouse:
The translators caused this problem for you people because they substituted God's divine name for the title LORD hence when you are reading most versions you won't understand what the Bible is saying.
This is how it's rendered in the NWT of the Holy Scriptures (Jehovah's Witnesses Bible)

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1
The KJV used upper case for Jehovah rendering God's divine name as LORD but in our own translation we used the divine name so the reader understands what he is reading.





There you go again!

This is what my own copy of the Bible says:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

So JEHOVAH our God is ONE!

Jehovah or ^ahweh is not English.

The English is The Lord. Jesus is also The Lord.

Do we have 2 Lords?

MaxInDHouse:
Let the Bible answer:

The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” ‭Psalms 110:1 NIV‬

Hope you believe this!

Absolutely!

Are you now saying that the Scriptures contradict themselves? Are there two Lords?

Jesus prayed for his disciples:


Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. ‭John 17:17 NIV‬


So according to Jesus God's word (Bible) is the only source of TRUTH that's why i am asking you to QUOTE the word "TRINITY" in God's word!

Did I quote from the Quran all these while? Was the 7 books of Moses my source?

Forget about the Word Trinity, that is just a description. God is a Triune Being as seen in the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
I believe Moses and Jesus this is what both of them said:


Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is ONE. ‭Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV compare to Mark 12:29‬

"One God, One Lord, one Baptism..." Ephesians 4:4-6.

God is Lord, Jesus is Lord.

One question for you sir.

Are there two Lords?

One question for you Sir.

Is it compulsory for all Bible believers to accept this your TRINITY or Triune Being?🤔

Not compulsory to even accept Jesus as Saviour. But there are consequences for rejecting the Truth.

MaxInDHouse:
I asked you just one question Sir!

Can you QUOTE the word "TRINITY" in any version of the Bible?

Please first do that before explanation.

Thanks in advance!😴

Listen my friend. You can choose to call it Trinity or any other word you want to call it. But that God is a Triune Being is an undisputable fact in Scripture. You don't even need to call it Trinity, but look at the Bible and see that God is a Triune Being.

SarcasticWords:
You opened a thread with a writeup in support of the trinity for people to read and I am asking you a question based on your write up.

Are you saying Jesus Christ the son and God the father are the same?

Simple question.

That is not what we are discussing. We are only establishing the fact that Trinity is a sound Biblical doctrine. The interrelationship between the personalities of the Trinity is not the subject of discussion. You can make what you like of that, but, my brother TenQ, has answered your questions. So you can help yourself below:

"1. God is Spirit: the Infinite Holy Spirit . In Him EVERYTHING visible and Invisible consist. In Him we Live and Have our Being and Existence

2. God is the Father: the visible image of the Invisible God in the Heavenly Realm. He sits on His throne and presides over Existence physical and spiritual.

3. God is the Word: the visible image of the Invisible God in every Realm. He He represents the presence of God everywhere physical and spiritual. Through Him and for Him and by Him EVERYTHING in Existence was Created. He is God on Duty. He is God on Errand. He is God at Work. He became Human and we call that physical form of Him Jesus the Christ!

Thus God dependently and Independently is the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit!


Humans are created in the Image of God as a Trinity of interdependent Body, Soul and Spirit"

MaxInDHouse:
OK, thank you Sir!

Have you seen this Part 2? Even more Truths:

The skeptics are still trying, but the Scriptures keep shutting every door against them. Let’s move into deeper truths they can’t handle.

Skeptic: “But the Bible says Christ is just a messenger… not literally God inside believers.”

Reply: Colossians 1:27 says “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” Meanwhile, in 2 Corinthians 6:16, God Himself says “I will dwell in them, and walk in them.” How is this fulfilled? By Christ in us. The presence of Christ in us is the presence of God in us. This is why Paul could boldly say in Galatians 2:20, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.” If Christ in us equals God in us, then who is Christ?

Skeptic: “But in Revelation, it’s only God that should be worshipped, not Jesus.”

Reply: Revelation 5:13 destroys that argument completely: “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea… heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”

Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same eternal worship from all creation. Show me a prophet or angel who ever received worship like this without rebuke? Even angels reject worship (Revelation 19:10), but the Lamb receives it alongside God. Why? Because He is God. Meanwhile, the Lamb NEVER WORSHIPS ANYONE.

Skeptic: “But Jesus Himself worshipped God… that means He can’t be God.”

Reply: Revelation is clear: the 24 elders, the four living creatures, and all the angels worship God and the Lamb (Revelation 5:8-14). Notice something shocking: there is not a single verse where the Lamb worships anyone. Not one. Yet all creation bows before Him. That is divine status, not prophetic rank.

Skeptic: “But God is the only King, not Jesus. Jesus was just exalted.”

Reply: In the Old Testament, God is called “King of kings” (Deuteronomy 10:17, Daniel 2:47). Yet in the New Testament, Revelation 19:16 says Jesus has a name written: “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” The same eternal titles of Yahweh are ascribed directly to Christ. Either you accept that Jesus shares the very identity of God, or you will have to admit there are two different Kings of kings—which the Bible never allows.

Skeptic: “But Revelation still shows separation between God and the Lamb. They’re not the same.”

Reply: Revelation 21:23 solves it: “And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.” Notice carefully: it doesn’t say “lights.” It says LIGHT. One light, shared by God and the Lamb. They are not two competing sources, but one eternal divine radiance. That is unity of essence, not separation of nature.

Final Note: From Genesis to Revelation, the witness is consistent: the Son shares the names, glory, worship, throne, and attributes of Almighty God. Non-Trinitarians will quote isolated verses, but the full counsel of Scripture keeps exposing their loopholes.

The skeptics are still trying, but the Scriptures keep shutting every door against them. Let’s move into deeper truths they can’t handle.

Skeptic: “But the Bible says Christ is just a messenger… not literally God inside believers.”

Reply: Colossians 1:27 says “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” Meanwhile, in 2 Corinthians 6:16, God Himself says “I will dwell in them, and walk in them.” How is this fulfilled? By Christ in us. The presence of Christ in us is the presence of God in us. This is why Paul could boldly say in Galatians 2:20, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.” If Christ in us equals God in us, then who is Christ?

Skeptic: “But in Revelation, it’s only God that should be worshipped, not Jesus.”

Reply: Revelation 5:13 destroys that argument completely: “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea… heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”

Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same eternal worship from all creation. Show me a prophet or angel who ever received worship like this without rebuke? Even angels reject worship (Revelation 19:10), but the Lamb receives it alongside God. Why? Because He is God. Meanwhile, the Lamb NEVER WORSHIPS ANYONE.

Skeptic: “But Jesus Himself worshipped God… that means He can’t be God.”

Reply: Revelation is clear: the 24 elders, the four living creatures, and all the angels worship God and the Lamb (Revelation 5:8-14). Notice something shocking: there is not a single verse where the Lamb worships anyone. Not one. Yet all creation bows before Him. That is divine status, not prophetic rank.

Skeptic: “But God is the only King, not Jesus. Jesus was just exalted.”

Reply: In the Old Testament, God is called “King of kings” (Deuteronomy 10:17, Daniel 2:47). Yet in the New Testament, Revelation 19:16 says Jesus has a name written: “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” The same eternal titles of Yahweh are ascribed directly to Christ. Either you accept that Jesus shares the very identity of God, or you will have to admit there are two different Kings of kings—which the Bible never allows.

Skeptic: “But Revelation still shows separation between God and the Lamb. They’re not the same.”

Reply: Revelation 21:23 solves it: “And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.” Notice carefully: it doesn’t say “lights.” It says LIGHT. One light, shared by God and the Lamb. They are not two competing sources, but one eternal divine radiance. That is unity of essence, not separation of nature.

Final Note: From Genesis to Revelation, the witness is consistent: the Son shares the names, glory, worship, throne, and attributes of Almighty God. Non-Trinitarians will quote isolated verses, but the full counsel of Scripture keeps exposing their loopholes.

You can access Part 1 here to see very unusual Scriptures that demonstrate the Trinity: https://www.nairaland.com/8509212/part-1-undisputable-truths-trinity

CC: TenQ, Gabrielshow24, Ken4Christ, Image123, Janosky.

SarcasticWords:
Are you saying Jesus Christ the son and God the father are the same?

Please draw your inference from the OP.

If you want to refute anything, refute the OP. I will not answer distracting questions.

MaxInDHouse:
The word "WITNESSES" is what the Bible God called His worshipers {Isaiah 43:10} as for "KINGDOM" that's the main theme of the message John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth preached {Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17} and Jesus commanded us to preach {Matthew 10:7} we meet in a "HALL" to deliberate on how to carry out the assignment Jesus gave us! Matthew 28:19-20

Please you have proved that the word TRINITY can't be found in the Bible but you people have explanations to prove your faith in your TRINITY. Nobody is saying you shouldn't believe whatever you want our main concern is if that thing is found written in the Bible so if not then it's not a compulsion for Bible believers!

Lol.

Trinity is a Truth. A truth is something to uncover from underneath. It does not float on the surface.

So, you didn't see Jehovah witness, kingdom Hall and the "don't keep a moustache" doctrine in the Bible, but you hold on to then anyway?

Meanwhile, Trinity is in the Bible, and that is what I have proven above.

Trinity is a doctrine, not just a word. The doctrine is sound and backed by Scriptures as explained in the OP.

MaxInDHouse:
If you care to read about what Jehovah's Witnesses say regarding your Trinity here is a thread on that:

https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness

So JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES aren't here to continue debating what is not found in God's word. TRINITY is the topic not Jesus if it's about Jesus that name appears many times in all Bible translations so nobody will ask you any question about that name. Thanks!

Jesus is the topic of Trinity.

Thanks.