₦airaland Forum

Kx:
So much for one Nigeria 50 years after the civil war.

Well at least we Igbos are not decieving our selves that there is anything like 'one Nigeria' the way other people do.

steveneche:
50% of ibos are not taking this Biafra agitation serious. Here are my reasons :

1. How many igbos truly sat at home during the sit at home protest? I have thousands of ibo folks here but we I didn't even notice there was a protest that day.

The sit at home order was for only for Biafra land and there was 100% compliance.

2. Why is the Arewa group threats causing controversies? If the ibos truly Wants to leave Nigeria, why not capitalize on this threat and go back to their region. This will make the fight for Biafra stronger. But no, they want to leave Nigeria n still stay in Nigeria.

Because the Arewa youths want to eat their cake and have it. They want Igbos to go but they dont want them to have Biafra. That is cheating. If the Arewa youths had said that they support the disintegration of Nigeria and the emergence of Biafra then we would have taken them serious. But asking people to go while looking for 'one Nigeria' is laughable

3. There are more ibos outside than they are in South East

This is even a big reason for Biafra. The coming of Biafra will encourage Igbos to go back home and develp their land since they now have their own independent nation.

4. Selfishness, The Ibos take their businesses more serious than Biafra agitation. How many igbos will b willing throw their investments away to move back to Biafra? I doubt, maybe few

Throw their investment away? Why would any Igbo need throw their investment away for no longer being Nigerians? Have the many thousands of foreigners such as Chinese, Lebanese, indians had to throw their investments away because they are not Nigerians?

5. They are not united enough. Other parts believe that anambara dominates the South East, the same domination as that is making them to leave Nigeria. I smell trouble later.

There is no ethnic group what you said does not happen especially the big ones. In Yorubaland, the Ifes and Oyos have had age old tangle about who is superior. Even Hausa/Fulani, many Hausas feel that Fulanis take too much. The important thing is thar our people are united about Biafra and they showed it by their sit at home compliance.

6. If Nigeria should produce an ibo President in 2019, Biafra will rest their case. Remember GEJ's era right?

Not really. Igbos have come to realise that having their own country is 50 times better than president of Nigeria. Besides, there is nothing incredible that the presidency of Nigeria has done for those who held it before. So what will it do for Igbos?

Omofunaab2:
There are no similarities between what i posted and what you posted.

Nigeria and Ghana don't have any diplomatic row, besides globacom Ghana is a public traded company, adenuga can decide to sell his shares in case of any diplomatic rift between Nigeria and Ghana that's likely to affect his business

But here, Biafra is seeking independence from Nigeria, believe me, Nnamdi kanu has destroyed any chance of us having a peaceful dissolution with all his hate speeches, even if Nigeria signs a treaty to protect your investments here in Nigeria, you guys will go through a lot registering your business, you will no longer enjoy the rights Nigerian citizens having a business here in Nigeria normally enjoy , there will be intimidation, forget, this is Nigeria, things don't work normally here, even the locals will intimidate you guys, courtesy of your hate speeches and chest beating here online. . People are getting more awared everyday,the agberos in lagos knows how you guys claimed lagos is no man's land, how you call yorubas lazy and how they will die without you coming to their lands, how you generate everything for them while they keep doing owo mi da.. ..


Believe me, The only thing protecting your investments in Nigeria is because igbos are still Nigerians, the moment you guys cease to be Nigerians then I can't guarantee what will happen to your properties because all those agberos boys that you guys normally abuse here are not smiling at all but be rest assured that no one will harm you physically in the south west

It has evertything to do with what you posted because the only reason why Nigeria is siezing the assets of Igbos is because they are no longer citizens. So what it means is that all Nigerian assets and Nigerian citizen assets outside Nigeria can be siezed for being citizens?

What is strange about Biafrans/Igbos seeking independence? Didnt Nigeria seek independence from Britain? So what is strange about Igbos seeking independence from Nigeria? Because Lord Lugard said we must all die together?

Nigerians generally dont believe in peaceful dispute resolution. The last time Biafra left peacefully, it was you Nigerians that came to the East to fight.

Now that Kanu and IPOB are talking about peaceful referendum, you Nigerians are again talking about siezing assets, fighting and going to war.

The problem with you Nigerians is that you lack any sense of self determination.

June 12th is important to Yorubas like May 30th is to Igbos. Igbos have done their successful sit at home. Lets see what Yorubas can do about June 12th

9jalyte:
Please which law. Where are you getting your information from. Do you know what they call sovereignty, what happened to white farmers in Zimbabwe, which international court of law reversed the decision of Mugabe.

I never said that a country cannot sieze the investments of non citizen, what I said was that the investment cannot be siezed just on citizenship alone.

Omofunaab2:
Lol, just like your properties were protected by international and local laws in portharcourt.

See, this is the zoo, we need to live up to that name you guys gave us, there won't be sophistication this time around on the part of the yorubas. Your properties will be seized and we will use them to rehabilitate our agberos here


Abeg, oga laudate, come hear ur people dey tlk about international law for here again ooo

Adenuga has investment in Ghana, can.it be siezed just because Adenuga is no Ghanaian?

Orji Uzo Kalu had Slok Air in Gambia, can it be siezed because he isnt Gambian?

Dangote has a cement plant in Senegal, should he have it siezed because his not Senegalese?

So why should Igbos have their investments seized because they are no longer Nigerians?

If Nigeria feels it can sieze the investments of people because they are not citizens then should stop inviting international investors since that can be siezed as well for not being Nigerians

NLPsychologist:
it buttresses the following facts:

-That he didn't know what he is leading Igbos into (Like Ojukwu).

-That his followers are disillusioned and brainwashed ( just like how Shekau is doing)

-That Buhari Saved innocent lives and properites of Igbos by incarcerating him, else he would have done something stupid and you know who Buhari is
-It shows that Kuje beans is a remedy for brain pain. It has reset his brains from "war" to "referendum"

Generally, What's with your paranoia really? At some moments of Igbo existence, someone just comes and instigate them to believe they are in danger

He knows exactly what he is leading Igbos into, he is leadig to freedom and self determination.

And, he wants to do it by the democracy of referendum. It is you Nigerians that are jumping up and want to fight. Did they tell you people that 'one Nigeria' is by force?

It just means that the federating units control the resources on their lands and pays the federal Government a percentage unlike system we have now where the Government controls the resources and pays the federating units

Where we all differ in is what the federating units should be.

AntiIPOOP:
Millions have gone because of this useless Biafráud, some miscreants still want to die. Nnamdi cownu is a big fool.

You mean the millions the British colonial contraption called Nigeria killed to stay together?

deji15:
You are hypocrites. You don't want Biafura. You are lying and making fake noise about it. But since you are foot dragging about it, the rest of Nigeria very soon will forcefully eject you.

We left and went home to start Biafra in 1967, your fathers came to the East to fight for 3 years to bring us back.

Nigeria is just a fake country started by a British criminal called Lugard in 1914 so that he could make quick profit. Thats why he named you people after a common River. You people are not ashamed to answering the name of a River.

deji15:
You fake lying scumbag. You and the rest of the Biafrauds are killing Nigerians secretly with your fake products and drugs every day.

Herdsmen attack like this one....

Police nab 2 kidnap suspects disguising as herdsmen in Enugu
Publish Date: Apr 15 2017

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/police-nab-2-kidnap-suspects-disguising-as-herdsmen-in-enugu/193694.html

But if we say we want to go our way and get Biafra, yoy Nigerians will say one Nigeria. We have been.trying to go our wsy a long time. So it is time for you Nigerians to support Biafra so that we can leave you guys and go home.

Goodlyhrt:
Correct me if I am wrong. But don't you think if people (Igbos) insure their properties and businesses with insurance companies it will prevent them from loosing it if peaceful dissolution of the country fails?

It is not a must that you have to be a citizen of a country to own business investments and property in that country. A Government cannot legally sieze the property of a person based on citizenship alone, that is against the law. In the event of Biafra coming, all investments are protected under international and local laws

deji15:
Shameless liar. How many years is 2015 to 2017? Lying scumbag. He cannot even be truthful with counting of years and you expect him to be honest in anything.

So what you more concerned about is the age of the video than how many people herdsmen slaughtered today?

Jesusloveyou:
you shouldnt be arrested if you plan from america to rob CBN?
Ipods with their flat head of reasoning rubbish

Nobidy can rob a Bank with only their mouth.

obailala:
What exactly is preventing our leaders from making good use of the 20 Naira accruing to the SE today?.... And what miracle can possibly make these leaders change overnight when the name os changed to Biafra?

Because we are in Nigeria. The Nigerian system encourages wastage, corruption, unaccountability. These leaders cannot be touched in Nigeria.

The reason why it will be different in Biafra is because we will no longer run this unitary system. There will be no Governors, no senators and no executive president. What you will have are provincial leaders or Local Govt Chairmen who are have a greater control of the IGR and directly responsible to the people. Biafra will be fully restructured to near confederal level.

The Nigerian system only encourages corruption and ineptitude. The sooner Biafrans get out of it, the better.

deji15:
So the rest of the country should wait until he killed them before reacting? You do that in Biafuro.

This video is about 4 years old. In that time, neither has IPOB nor Kanu has not killed or hurt anyone. Infact, it is IPOB that have been shot and killed by the Nigerian security agencies.

So instead of you to open a useless thread like this on people that have done nothing, focus on those who are actively killing people everyday such herdsmen, Boko Haram, your Nigerian security agencies, cultists, Niger Delta militants.

When.you have covered these ones that are killing people everyday, they can start to cover those like Kanu who have not yet killed anybody

No amount of IGR, wether it is 2 Naira or 2 Trillion Naira is going to help Igbos in Nigeria. It is only when we have our freedom and country that we can make prudential use of our resources and IGR to spawn growth.

It is better to have IGR of 2 Naira and make good use of it in Biafra than to have an IGR of 2 Trillion in Nigeria but it doesnt impact on the people.

deji15:
See how a typical Biafrat reason and twist issues. Was he planning to use the weapons on America soil?

What you are saying he is planning, he never did. So what is the point of this your thread?

deji15:
Which law are you quoting? Can you provide the relevant sections of the law?

It might also interest you to know that this video was made in America, a country where it is legal for any adult to buy, bear or solicit weapons.

Since we know that Kanu has not fought Nigeria, the video becomes irrelevant.

dingbang:
I give up on your pessimism

Really? You think Nigerians killed themselves in a civil war to the tune of over 3 million souls because of the incredible love they have for themselves?

Lugard made a big mistake bringing us together in 1914

ItsMeAboki:
PLs answer my questions; stop beating around the bush - did he not re-structure the system from which we have inherited till today; yes or not?

Ironsi did not restructure anything. Ironsi met a Nigeria with a structural arrangement of 4 Regions and he left a structural arrangement of 4 Regions.


The people who restructured Nigeria are those who took Nigeria from 4 Regions to 36 states. Ironsi did not do that

dingbang:
who told u I wanted Biafra? I was never in support of Biafra and nothing will ever make me be.. Nigeria hasn't even developed , it is Biafra dat will develop.. Mchew...

Dont fool your self. Nigeria can never develop because Igbo/Yoruba/Hausa-Fulani do not see themselves as brothers. Anyone telling that one day, these 3 groups will love each other and join hands ti build a great Nigeria is not telling the truth.

Switzerland is just 8 million people, has no Oil, is landlocked .

But Switzerland is far richer than Nigeria

ItsMeAboki:
I don't know how you could still continue arguing along this line (going around in circles).

Are you denying that Ironsi did not enact decree 34 on 24 May 1966 or that decree 34 was a lie because it did not exist?
Are you also that decree 34 did not replace the regions with provinces (which he called Group of Provinces); if not, then what is your point?

Ok, lets even assume he did not; that he only centralised the government?

Please then tell me, isn't stripping the regions off their independence and making them answerable to the central government exactly the fundamental difference and mistake we have inherited from his legacy till today?

Even Wikipedia had this to say about Ironsi and decree 34:

Though Ironsi tried to dispel this notion by courting the aggrieved ethnic groups through political appointments and patronage, his failure to punish the coup plotters and the promulgation of the now infamous "Decree No. 34"—which abrogated the country's federal structure in exchange for a unitary one— crystallized this conspiracy theory.[12]

Kindly then explain what the above in bold pertaining to the decree meant?

So what are we talking about?

Were Igbos not the first to derail our democracy by military coup, restructure and tamper with our governance system and therefore ultimately responsible for our present wahala?

In short, they were the ones that upset the apple cart for which they are now blaming northerners for - take or leave it.

Ironsi did not replace anything with anything. The way the 4 Regions were when he came is the way they were when he left. Eg. The Eastern Region was made was made up of 20 provinces before Ironsi came in. Basically the Eastern Region was a 'group of 20 provinces' before Ironsi came and that is the way it was when Ironsi left. Each of the 4 Regions were 'groups of provinces'.

The only thing Ironsi did was centralise Government, he did not touch the boundaries of any of the 4 Regions.

Nicheey:
being a settler in another man's land doesnt makes you dey owner,I quote apakbio, Biafra is strictly igbo's agenda ,any advance to the niger delta will be met with all resistance,wike said, i am ikewere, from the Niger delta, and Niger delta is not biafra, so Mr attached by force there's no igbo in the niger delta, speaking igbo doesnt make you know, we speak english, does it mean we're british? ?

How can Biafra be a strictly Igbo agenda when the last president of Biafra, General Philip Effiong, was not an Igbo man?

ZombieKilla:
Buhari been killing biafrans since 1966

Chukwu Okike is currently dealing with him for it.

ShootToKill:
If anything this historical fact means that Ojukwu had a listening ear, see the way he was seeking peace from one office to another on the advice of Zik.

Where are mumugerians who called him a tyrant and warmonger.

God bless Ojukwu!

Ojukwu was a man of peace. I laugh at all the ignoramus who say he started a war. If Nigerians know the pains Ojukwu took to prevent war, they would kiss his feet.

But the choice was clear, accept Northern dominated 'one Nigeria' or secede and fight for your freedom.

Ojukwu as the true Igbo man he is chose to fight for freedom.

The rest chose the cowardly way of accepting Northern control.

Ojukwu was a great man

ItsMeAboki:
Pls stop behaving like a dunce; yes there were provinces then; Ironsi quite clearly replaced the regions (consisting of the provinces) and renamed them as GROUP of PROVINCES along with loss of their hitherto autonomy by making them more answerable to the central government - can't you read?

He furthermore dismantled the regional civil service and unified them as a single entity under the central government (FG) - a move which was designed to favour the Igbos, who then dominated the civil service.

Abeg go park one side; you cannot rewrite history.

I agree with all this and I even said that Ironsi took some powers from the Regions and centralised Government.


What I disagree with is this talk that Ironsi abolished and dissolved the 4 Regions?

How could he have done tbis but all 4 Regions were still in existence a full year after he died?

How can someone abolish something but it still exists?

Ironsi changed the rules of the game, he did not change the game its self

ItsMeAboki:
I do not want to believe you actually read decree 34 because if you did then you must have read it blindly without comprehension.
As already mentioned, he replaced the old regions with provinces as per para 2 subsection 1c of the decree as follows:

the provinces, including Kaduna capital territory, in schedule 1 of this Decree which immediately before the appointed day were respectively comprised in Northern Nigeria, Eastern Nigeria, Western Nigeria and Mid-Western Nigeria shall be known respectively as the Northern group of Provinces, the Eastern group of Provinces, the Western group of Provinces and the Mid-Western group of Provinces;
https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm

Pls stop lying in the face of clear cut evidence.

I am glad to note you at least conceded to the fact that decree 34 centralised the government; pls then tell me what this effect would have had with regards to the autonomy of the the formers regions - who hitherto didn't have to take orders from the central government?

Deny as much as you like; however, your views alone cannot rewrite history and the fact that Ironsi abolished the regions and was responsible for the unitary system of government we have inherited till today along with all its ills.

Sorry bro but you have no point. Before decree 34, each of the 4 Regions were comprised of provinces. In effect, each Region was a 'group of provinces'. The Eastern Region was comprised of 20 provinces such as Aba Province. So what is the big deal with what you sited? The change of name?

wirinet:
You are wrong on all levels. Even though you rely on semantics to absolve Ironsi of destroying Nigeria's regional structure, you are still wrong semantically.
Ironsi met 4 semi autonomous regions , he left 4 unitary provinces .
Gowon met 4 unitary provinces and left 12 unitary states .
So who destroyed our semi autonomous regions?

You are saying the same thing Im saying without knowing it. Province and Region both mean the same thing, the both mean 'an area'.

Let me put this in lay man's terms so that you will understand

Lets say Ironsi took control of a compund with 4 duplex buildings with tenants. Ironsi changes the 'tenancy agreement' but leaves the 4 buildings standing and leaves.

Gowon takes control of the same compound with 4 duplex buildings. Not only does Gowon change the Tenancy agreement, he knocks down all four buildings replaces them with 12 Bungalows.

Between Gowon and Ironsi, which of them made the compound unrecognisable?



Another thing people dont understand is that military decrees are all temporary laws. They all give way whenever civilian rule returns.

Had Gowon kept the 4 Regions the way Ironsi did, Nigeria would gave reverted back to the laws of pre-Ironsi times. A federation of 4 Regions.

But when Gowon divided the 4 Regions into 12 states, he made it impossible because when civilians returned, the 4 Regions were gone. There was nothing to back to.


The tenancy agreement was never as important as the 4 duplexes, the agreement could always be changed, but when duplexes were gone, they were gone forever.

Gowon was the real person who destroyed Regionalism with his stupid 'state creation' exercise

wirinet:
What do you mean by decree 34 only centralized government, it did not abolish the regions? The statement is a paradox. It is either power is centralized at the centre or devolved to the regions, it cannot be both ways. Decree 34 converted the regions to States under a centralized government. That was why Gowon was able to divide the states further to 12.
Are you saying that decree 34 allowed the States to run their own regional governments with premiers and houses of assembly?

Whether you attempt to revise history or not, General Ironsi abolished regional governments in Nigeria.

The statement is in no way a paradox. Ironsi met 4 Regions, he left 4 Regions. If people said that Ironsi changed the way the 4 Regions operated then thats a fair comment, but to say that Ironsi abolished and dissolved the Regions is bare faced lie.

As I said before, Ironsi met 4 Regions, he left 4 Regions. Gowon met 4 Regions, he left 12 states.

So who do you think abolished the Regions between Ironsi and Gowon?