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MrTA:
Man, I really wanted atletico to win UCL. They deserve it but it's going to be very tough right now.

Yea me too . I always enjoy the story of the under dog.

See Fergie watching...

Debroslink:
So you agree that Mou is better even if he fails to win the league in 3 years, but can curse Van Gaal for not doing so in 2 years despite winning the FA cup.

Gerarahere jare

Mourinho has never failed to win the league within 2 years of his stay at his new club. If he fails in his 2nd year while Pep doesn't, then i would consider him a failure.

The first year is not preemptive for me and i have good reasons for that.

raumdeuter:
Bonus like club world cup? Lol does Fergies trophy haul not include bonuses like te same Club world cup, Charity shield, Intercontinental cup Dryborough cup etc

When Pep wins it it becomes bonus, when fergie wins it becomes Legendary

Keep tying yourselves in knots

Show me the post where i stated Fergie trophy count and included those bonuses. There's none obviously but you just had to find something to pick at. So shallow of you.

See Mourinho for example who has won the CL twice but hasn't even won the world club trophy or other bonuses because he's alway moved on to other challenges each time he wins the CL and doesn't give a sh1t about it while Pep folks who would scream euphorically of his silly trophy count inflated by such trophies.

Debroslink:
Who cares whether Fergie stays for 50 years at a club? Going from one club to another is even a harder job than what Fergie and Wenger enjoyed.

Pep stayed for 4 years and left with honour. Mou can't even manage 3 years without being fired.

Why is staying at the top considered harder than reaching the top? It's easier to move from teams and that's why most top coaches these days enjoy using the blueprint.
If you're in doubt, see a long term coach like wenger for example. In the beginning he started very well, but we but know how he has ended up currently.

Debroslink:
The point is, City won the Carling cup, United won the FA cup

Pep Vs Mou starting afresh in epl and going for 3 years.

We say Pep will win the league, DopeJemi say Mou has nothing to prove.

This means Mou is the better coach even if he doesn't win the league and Pep does.

DOES THIS ANALOGY MAKE SENSE?

That because the given conditions are different. Why should United folks agree to a silly analogy that states the conditions are the same which is false?
City is currently in a better position than United and have an head start already. If you can't see this, then i'm sorry i can't help you and that's why i won't agree to or endorse such a silly analogy.

Debroslink:
22 major trophies in 7 years for Pep. Using this analogy, if Pep coaches for 39 years, he'll surpass 100 trophies.

He may have 22 trophies but not 22 major trophies. You're including bonuses like club world cup( which he has won thrice i think) or the Spanish super cup( the equivalent of the community shield) as major trophies.
Now there's no guarantee he would have continued to enjoy that much success at Barcelona and that's he fled when the results stopped going his way with just about 4 years spent. Fergie spent over 20 years and enjoyed prolonged success at a single club. Do you why remaining at the top is harder than getting there?
It's the same reason no club has retained the CL since it's new format.

While it's not a bad thing to draw analogies and make predictions, you've just made a very silly one here.

This Pep vs Fergie argument is pure bullsh1t regardless. They are two generations of coaches who spent or would spend most of their careers in different time periods, landscape and given conditions varies deeply and sample space are vastly too apart different to make a good comparison. The folks making this argument now are doing it because they've lost the Pep vs Mourinho own and are just pontificating and clutching at straws.

raumdeuter:
Below are the players who started the 2006 CL final under Rijkaard

Valdes
Oleguer
Puyol
Marquez
Van Bronckhorst
Edmilson
Deco
Van Bommel
Guily
Etoo
Ronaldinho

3years later when Pep made his own CL final and won the treble. In the final game

Only Valdes Puyol and Etoo were left 3 out of 11

So you are using the line up from a match in 2006 to prove that Pep had that much of a different team in the 2009 CL? You are being dishonest here.
Why not state the line up of Rijkaard's last game or his average line up in the season to see how much different it is from Pep's team?

So funny seeing Barcaelona folks getting worried about Madrid's victory tonight

If Madrid wins, that win would cause a series of butterfly effects that would result in the next apocalypse. Atletico is winning tonight.

tess1:
Pep Guardiola is the laziest coach i`ve ever known in my life. He always want to benefit from the labour of others. What he benefited from the Barca team was the foundation laid down by Rijkaard. There was a time when Barca went trophyless for four good seasons before Rijkaard was employed. Rijkaard turned around the team and won the league in his second season and third season. He also won UCL in his third season. All these he did with no contribition from Messi. Rijkaard gave Messi his debut in the senior team. Rijkaard was the first Barca coach to beat R. Madrid twice at Barnebeu.

Pep succeeded Rijkaard and stumbled on Messi that was about to mature after Rijkaard had laid the foundation for him in the team and won two UCL with Messi`s major influence. He sensed that he`s going to have problem with the team because his tactical inept of no 'plan b' to his tiki-taka with teams packing the bus was coming to the fore, then he took the easier route by announcing he was going on a sabbatical.

This is where his lazinness as a coach comes in. After being beaten by Chelsea in UCL and he knew that R. Madrid was going to win the La Liga. He made this statement as reason he`s leaving Barca "But gradually, i found it more and more difficult to motivate myself and the team. That is when you know it is time to take a walk" That is LAZINNESS written all over the statement. That`s the laziest statement i`ve ever heard from a young coach for that matter. He couldn`t stay motivate and build a team. This is what SAF did successfully over the years.

Pep went to Bayern and met a team that just won the treble and a team that had appeared in three of the last four finals. He couldn`t take such a good team past the semifinals in his three seasons there. Why couldn`t he replicate what he previously did at Barca at Bayern if he`s such a coaching genius? I guess it`s because there was no Messi in his team.

Good post. Very good.

weedtaker:
^^^ oga ramuzaki its no secret that GBR1 has bested you convincingly in most of the arguments you both have engaged in. as a matter of fact he owns you once it comes to footie discourse, so all dis ur talk of one being obsessed na wash.

He actually believes i'm obsessed with him

He's been peddling falsehood/trash on the United thread for days now and he's wondering why i'm on his case... The truth is that i would do that to anyone regardless because i'm a United fan and he just happens to be one big unrepentant hater of the club i support.

Ollah1 I schooled you regards Pep but now as a last resort you're now dissing Fergie.

If you keep it up with those kind of posts, it won't take long before I start responding to them. You can ask Raumdueter how he ended up when he tried similar on this thread. It won't end well for you.

Tval:
GBR1

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Thanks my G.

Tess1 and Olabode89, thanks for picking out the error in his post I failed to notice.

ollah1:
Your comment is full of flaws. Pep won consecutive leagues with Barca B while playing attractive football. This was what made him get the get the job on a trial level but he wowed everybody. Pre Pep, Barca went two years winning nothing. He won every avaliable trophies in his first year yet he doesn't deserve the credit. It's the team that deserves it. The same team which he built 80% of it.

Barcelona were underachieving pre Pep but they had a great team that could only be improved. United with our strongest team in over a decade has to play very defensive to go past a Barcelona without Pep in the CL in 2008. Pep did some major things right but that's not enough to consider him genius. So you think winning the Championship or league one equivalent while playing attractive football is enough to get you a job at any top PL team like United or Arsenal? This is idiocy at its finest. Pep getting the job on that basis was always an exception and doing well subsequently, never had it been the rule. What if I proved to you that some of the transfers those summer he gets credit for were not entirely his ? I already told you why he got the job then over the top coaches available and you're here pontificating. You guys are amusing to me.
I won't be suprised in the future when you guys give Enrique so much credit for Suarez signing.
You Barcelona folks know so little about your club or even how it's run so I'm not suprised with the nonsense you're spewing

He took over a Bayern team which just won the UCL but what happened to the core attacking players? They went on injury spree and they are aged at the moment. He left the team in a good state with young promising players . He lost to three Spanish teams, two of which became champions eventually while we await the third tonight.

Ok he sold Deco and Ronaldinho and did well to be called a genius by you guys so why didn't he sell off Robben and Ribery at Bayern also?
Incase you've failed to noticed, I only mentioned the matches against Madrid. Bastian, Robben and Ribery were fit and started both legs so you sound really silly giving injuries as excuse when it's false.
Losing to whoever became champions is another silly remark. What's to say Bayern couldn't have been champions too had they gone past Madrid?

No team would have defeated Barca last season. Only his team got a win the knock out stage. Every other team and yes the defending champion of "the best league in the world " got schooled home and away.

Nonsense again from you that I have no need of because i didn't even reference how he lost to Barcelona but I would address this easily. Bayern only won because Barcelona let them. Barcelona had a 3 goal cushion and they were 2-1 in Bayern's home, and they took off Suarez at half time and that's how Bayern clawed their way to victory. In general they were totally outclassed by Barcelona over the 2 legs.

Anymore more falsehood and illogic to peddle?

olabode89:
Siasia is a good gaffer... the likes of Kadiri Ikhana, Christian Chukwu and Amodu will win trophies with that Barca team.

This is going too far though.

Pep is a really good coach and Enrique is not too bad but it's these Barca folks who have an agenda by trying to overstate their worth or make them look like extreme geniuses I have issues with.

bigkesh:
Now this is a smackdown....Ramdueter,counter this

He ran away because he doesn't have any answer to that.
Raumdueter has learnt to avoid my posts the hard way. He can't ''bludgeon'' me with facts as he used to falsely claim

olabode89:
Hahahahaha the guy na comic relief....

I still don't understand how the dude ended up a United fan or how his loyalty works. He's extremely confused.

Kokaneprodigy pay more attention to the nonsense you are saying now and be truthful to yourself. What have you gained as an arsenal fan by supporting Wenger for the last 12 years or what are you hoping for currently?

diggz:
Keep quite and stop talking like an e-eeeediot.

Mou wouldn't have swooped for thiago yet cech got his chance at what age under mou?

Mou wouldn't have swooped for thiago but, he was busy chasing after useless untested stones for how much?

If you don't have thing useful to say why not move on instead of lying everywhere and making no sense.

That guy is a confirmed lunatic. United and opposition fans have branded him one alike. You expect such BS from him.

ollah1:
The team you regard as world class is built by who? Who reinvented the structure? Tata won just a trophy but Pep and Enrique won loads of trophies yet it's easy to win with Barca.

You guys just amaze me. When Pep and Enrique win things then it's the team but if another coach then it's superman in them

Are you trying claim Pep is responsible for Barcelona's Academy success? I know you are a Pep fan but you should be more objective than this.
In 2008 when Barcelona needed a coach, why did you think Barcelona's board found it so easy to overlook the CV of top coaches then and give a rookie like Pep the job? Pep turned out a good coach or he's a really good coach but those folks knew exactly what they were doing.
Pep reached 2 CL finals in 3 years with Barcelona easily but he couldn't go past the semi finals in 3 same years with Bayern? What has changed if not the team and the players? Here I'm being nice by not saying he took over a Bayern team that just won the CL, a team that made 2 consecutive CL finals, a team that made 3 CL finals in 4 years and he made them lose disgracefully (5-0) at his first attempt to Real Madrid who had not made a CL final in over 11 years. How can you defend him here?
Do you know how many Barcelona players formed the core of the Spain team that dominated football and won every trophy possible between 2008-2012 including the World Cup and 2 euros?
Was it Pep managing them too then?
How much credit do Aragones and Del Bosque even get compared to Pep?
What silly structure are you referencing here as invented by Pep? You mean the same tiki-taka that Spain used to win euros 2008 pre Pep?

Your points are too easy to pick out. You need to do better than this or this debate won't last very long. Better still, call Dayo and your fellow Barcelona friends for help as you guys are used to doing and it still won't be enough.

Diademk07:
I know people use the Bayern team as a Stick to beat Pep but then the squad left behind by the previous coach, although a quality one was an injury prone squad. The 3 most important players of that squad (Ribery, Robben, Bastian) were quite injuryprone and were already ageing. Maybe he could have won atleast a CL with that squad but the good thing is that he left them in better shape than he met them.
Players like Kimmich, Thiago, Costa, Coman and Lewy are all young quality players having atleast 8-10 quality years ahead of them and there's the likes of Muller, ALaba, Vidal and Boateng to complement them. Bayern couldn't have asked for anything more.
The point is he's shown that he's capable of building a team which Mourinho has never shown apart from lurking around to pounce on any cast off from the big/quality teams.

If you really know how Bayern is run currently, you'd be a fool to state that Pep is solely responsible for those transfers. Alaba, Muller, Boateng were even there before him. So you are branding Kimmich a quality player already and Thiago who has proved nothing at Bayern a quality player too?
Mourinho is very capable of building good squads. This your BS talk is unending. The core of the Chelsea's squad that won the CL was the one left by Mourinho. Ancelloti used the Madrid squad that Mourinho built to win the CL with the only significant addition being bale who was acquired for a world record fee.

ollah1:
Why didnt Tata Martino win anything hence the sack letter?

He won the Spanish super cup and he almost won the la liga, lost it on the last day.

He won his first el Classico, was the first Barca coach to go unbeaten in his first 16 matches.

He wasn't much of a success compared to Enrique or Pep but don't make it look like he found it difficult to manage Barcelona. He didn't even get as much support as Enrique did and things could have turned out differently. Barcelona broke their transfer record to sign a world class CF in Suarez and he's really immense to their success in the following season.

We have better instances infact. Was it not the same Barcelona with a sick coach who requested a 3 months medical leave and still managed to amass 100 points to win la liga with 4 games to go? Didn't they reach the semi finals of the copa del rey and CL that season too?

There's no debate here. Barcelona has had a world class squad for over a decade and a good system to boot and it's far more easier for a coach to achieve success there than even other top clubs

SIRcumalot:
who go win this night ?
I dey follow Real Madrid this night nothing against at.madrid.
Ororo deserves to win this thing 3 times.

I want Atletico to win. Don't want Madrid having 11 CL. If Madrid win though, then no problem.

Spy360:
You just fooled yourself here. After spending £300million? Headwoodward should skin you alive.

Nonsense do you know how much City has spent during that period? City spent over half of that in just last season transfer windows while we spent that in 3 years.

Debroslink:
Did I just read here that Mou has nothing to prove at United? I thought most United fans are more intelligent than most Chelsea fans?

A coach almost relegated the defending champion and was sacked, got employed by a bigger club, and some fans are saying he has nothing to prove?

Please guys, be objective.

This is calling for trouble, believe me.

elampiro:
He is very good and a good ball playing striker. He is not an 'hyena'. But as a young player, awareness is a problem. Yesterday he ought to have passed to Herdenson on his right for a free goal, instead he passed to Sterling on his left which made the process longer. Fortunately, Sterling's attempt to pick Herdenson was blocked and that was how the ball fell on Rashford for his goal.

- Sterling is a different being while on national colours. Always their best creative player.

How many creative players do England have really? It's easy to look good at something when your mates are so sh1t.

For those Chelsea folks who still care about Mourinho. . .There's hope
https://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/halfer.jpg

raumdeuter:
You have martial ddg rooney. Mind you man utd and city can be said to be equal right now. Both finished with same points. Both won a domestic cup. While man utd still have a young core which would most likely improve like martial rashford Lingaard city has an ageing core who would depreciate Kompany Kolarov sagna yaya

Both teams have lots of money to spend

Why are the same people expecting a title or bust from pep not expecting same from Jose

Bros i know you are a Pep fan but Man United and City are not equal; City made the CL semi finals meaning they were top 4 in Europe just this year while United couldn't even get out of a group consisting of ordinary wolfsburg and PSV. City topped a group that had Juventus and Sevilla in it.
We might have finished on the same points but they had a far superior goal difference and they are in the CL because of that. They can attract world beaters more easily due to this and we have the same cash to spend or city even more to be fair. This is simply not equality!

If you want, I can agree Pep is a better manager than Jose because i don't really care about that right now. I simply want Jose to be successful with United more so than Pep with City and it might not even go that way but i would have no regrets over my decision to support him as he is United manager.

Dadehmola:


Please what is Korea Service?

She meant ''courier'' service, i think.

SIRcumalot:
me and raumdeter said the same thing a month back and you took my head off with a shovel what as change?

Jose has now been confirmed as manager and i don't want it to seem i'm trying to make Pep's job appear easier than normal or make Mourinho's job harder than it is actually.

chrisley024:
Bro, I must confess it is like City needs rebuilding as much as we do.

Their defence ain't good; take Otamendi out and no one left since most are aged.

In the midfield, the 2 F are average, Toure is out.

Upfront, De Bryunce, Silva(with dwindling form) and Aguero, who is hardly fit, are the notable players they got.

We have younger players spread across every position eventhough most can be said to be average.

Alright, i agree with you. City have a bigger rebuild but we are not so far off. LVG has done a sh1t job. Currently the only world class player in our entire squad is the keeper. City have 3 already in Silva, Aguero and De Bruyne. Their attack alone is streets ahead of ours. Fernandinho is really underrated and is better than what most folks think. I won't be surprised to still see him there next season. I think Delph is sh1t, though he's relatively young. They've spent close to 100 on Mangala and Otamendi alone and it's bad enough their defence isn't sorted out yet.

elampiro:
It's United management instruction, just as was don't to Moyes.

You are most likely right.
Bros i want the euros to end as soon as possible; can't wait for the new season to start. To think that few weeks ago i really wanted the season to end so fast. .

Looking at city's squad and i'm wondering why everyone is screaming they have a rebuild but not us, why? LVG has done a sh1t job. It's a travesty to say either of our attack, midfield or defense are in good shape. We have a lot of old players who are past it and some young ones who are not good enough or never will be.

How many aged players do city have compared to us? or ever 30?

We have almost as much important players over 30. I can go on and on.

A40:
I blame Rummenigge wholeheartedly for this scenario. By default he should have extended Goetze the same time he extended Thiago. We extended players who had been injured for almost 50% of their stay or more (Thiago, Javi) but did not think it fit to extend a 24 year old German International. Worse we have had a similar situation with Kroos who refused to extend because we didn't give a suitable offer.

He should have sold him prior to this season or extended him. With multiple years left on Goetze's contract a good showing at the Euros would have meant any club wanting his services would have needed to cough out upwards of €40m.

I don't see the use of threatening a player on the last year of his deal with bench when he has absolutely nothing to lose

I watched Rummenigge speaking recently regards Gotze and i wasn't too impressed by what he said. He was quite harsh on Gotze and it was as clear as it got that you guys have no need for him. I don't know how long this has been the status quo but that speech could have made it seem like that all along. But i think i understand why he reacted that way; Gotze has the better cards to play and this is much going his way

It's a win win scenario for him like stated unless he fails to revive his career at some other club. You guys have a great squad( this even without Gotze) so losing him even on a free is not that much of a blow.