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I can see the vulture-like gathering of my adversaries on this thread already. They came to the party too late and they're now acting like scavengers. They won't get much attention from me though.

If the argument is all time I doubt anyone can argue that Madrid is the bigger team

See a post by one mumu proving he never understood anything initially. Just jumping into the thread to argue and post foolishly.

It seems folks here can't just stick to the initial argument, instead of trying to debate scraps like United vs Barcelona vs Madrid because they know the initial is a dead end for them. They will fail at that simple task.
https://www.nairaland.com/669609/fc-barcelona-fan-thread-mes/1591#46482908 ; link to beginning of debate for newcomers.

I don't hate Barcelona (eruditor take note); you guys should stop using that falsehood to cover your your ineptitude and deficiencies.

Barcelona fans please tell me when exactly Barcelona was the biggest club in the world. What was Barcelona biggest at or what is Barcelona biggest at even currently?

Homesteady, sebod, ollah1, dmcdad etc

Your drivel is worthless to me, i'm still waiting for the answers i know you guys can't provide.

Dadehmola:
Bro, can you provide a link where it has been suggested that Barcelona is/was the most successful club in the world at any given time?

One link please.....just one link!

Bros they won't find anything to help their cause. As i have noticed most of these Barcelona folks don't even know their club properly and even people like homesteady are always having to google out stuff i say.

That's why they are in this kind of situation on their thread. Just take a look at the one below above your post that quoted me. He hardly understands what i'm talking about. poor guy!

England na useless team. See as dem let these Russians dey shout for my ear because dem equalize

jstbeinhonest:
Fan base
Barca:100.9M
Manu:71M

Trophies

Barca:24 league titles, 5 European cups ,28 league cups

Manu;20 league titles , 3 European titles ,20 league cups.

Revenue
Barca:675M
Manu:625M [forbes]


Value
Barca:3.54B
Manu:3.31B [forbes]



And GBR1 is still making inane arguments.You are a joke

This is this last time i would quote you if you cannot reason properly. I have stated numerous times that my debate is not about who's bigger between United and Barcelona, how can you not understand this?
My argument is about who's the biggest or who has been the biggest and i have proven myself beyond the necessary limits but you guys have failed to show what Barcelona is biggest at or what has made Barcelona the biggest. There's basically nothing. Or just tell me when Barcelona has been the biggest? Never!
You are all cowards, why can't anyone of you point the out the time Barcelona was the biggest club in the world? I can do that for United or Real Madrid. But nothing for Barcelona.
You guys are just like Bayern because there's nothing unique or special that stands out. That's it.
Madrid are the most successful football club and are the biggest financially currently( though United was few years ago but never Barcelona).
I have busted your fan base argument though that you guys came up with using silly social media stats. Maybe biggest club on social media would do for Barcelona, don't you like the yeye title? Like arsenal biggest on online voting?
United fan base is bigger, see my post above. You guys are making it too easy for me.

homesteady:
Barcelona has been the most successful club in the world over the last decade!
It is a Conditional statement dummy! The decade there changes the whole dynamics of the sentence.
I should be asking you now if you studied English!

Then you are worse than a lunatic for jumping in when clearly you didn't even know the argument and then begin to argue regards something different. When you figure that out, you'll look really stupid. It's your problem not mine

homesteady:
Comedy galore..... So all these arguments boils down from your hatred for Barcelona! C'mon, it last happened In 2011, you should have gotten over it by now! Though losing 2 UCL finals to the same team would hurt so much

I already told you the debate was never between who's bigger between Barcelona and United, though i have done a job on that already. In football terms I have defended Barcelona in the past and would continue to do so when necessary regardless of what you say. I don't give a sh1t about what you say.

According to Forbes -



I believe you still have a little degree of rational reasoning, so what can you say of the stats above?
I'd rather go with this than go with some stupidd figures gotten from a census that never held.

Now this is taking stupidity to ridiculous boundaries. so you're going by social media to determine whose fan base/popularity is the largest ?.
I would make you pay for this again. Facebook was basically restricted in China so there are few Chinese users on facebook( guranteed less than 100 million) while the US has close to double that number on Facebook. Going by your logic, the United States should be more populated than China because they have far more users when its the converse that is true and the Chinese population is 3 times the figure of the US. I don't really know you but it's obvious you aren't a bright chap.
The Asian fan base for football is the biggest followed by Africa and United has the lion share of fans in those regions and that's why United fan base is significantly larger and far ahead of Madrid or Barcelona. That's why our international marketing relative to revenue is so strong. There are other factors like internet penetration which is relatively different for continents and many United folks don't even have access to the internet or social media so the numbers aren't taken into account in social media survey for clubs and that's why that analysis is silly at best. If comprehension is failing you here, go through my previous post where i stated a fun fact that Barcelona has the highest number of fans in Europe and internet penetration (or use of social media) is very high in Europe and that's why it's no surprise that Barcelona is topping the social media survey. You can see i predicted your posts before you even thought of it or obtained facts from the internet.
If you are still doubting the size of United's fan base, check out these links.
https://www.reference.com/sports-active-lifestyle/football-club-biggest-fan-base-c273fb4b341fbdc4#
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21478857
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/06/07/manchester-united-659-million-people-can%E2%80%99t-be-wrong-can-they-070601/
Clear your doubts. United fan base is the largest!
I know and understand all these things unlike you who's just trying to make a cheap argument. Good try though; if you're making good efforts, I might keep on replying.

homesteady:
You are just a complete douche bag! Now I know your problem - English!
Barcelona has been the most successful club over the last decade! It means an evaluation of all clubs achievement over the last 10 year was done and Barcelona came out top!
That's how UEFA rank leagues, but evaluate only 5 years!

Enjoying more success than Madrid or any other club over the last decade does not equate to being the most successful club in the world. Did you study English at all? If this question was asked at any point in time in that period; ''which club is the most successful club in the world?'' Tell me what would have been the right answer.
To put the stupidity of this logic into light; club A has won far more than any other club in the last 10 years, therefore club A must be the most successful team in the world. Club B has won more than any club in that last 5 years, therefore club B is the most successful club in the club. Soon it will be club C has won more than any club in the last season, so therefore club C must be the most successful club in the world. Gross stupidity!
The most successful club is the world at any point in time is a function of total success of all time, it's not determined by who has enjoyed more success in the last 5 or 10 years.
Adelana1 this is for you too.Take a look at the silly logic you've been peddling.

Homesteady you are a confirmed lunatic. I would treat you as such when next i encounter you in any debate. I have waited long enough for someone capable enough to show up but it doesn't look like it's happening. I'm done with this debate.

The argument is Barcelona being the biggest club in the world which someone stated and i proved that be to be wrong. I repeat Barcelona is biggest at nothing; not in terms of football success, not in financial terms, not in fan base or popularity and this is true for currently or the last 10 years. You guys are exceptional failures because it's beyond obvious no one has been able to take me on and prove that what I've been saying to be wrong instead you guys are resorting to cheap shots and acting like a straw man. .

Like i said earlier; you guys should know your place, so we won't have situations like this next time.

AdeLaNa1:
Lol. Na u dey nonsense for here man. United are a big club no doubt. U really need to stick to one argument here. Which is it?? Biggest club in the last 10 yrs?? Or biggest club in the world since the start of Football itself??
For me, my argument on this topic is based on the latter. Yes when u consider my three Parameters, United is way way wealthier than Barca. But Barca has won about 20 trophies more than United. These are facts.
Now when u consider these facts, the fact that Barca is a financially stable club and still ve more trophies than United, and the fact that United are more financially stable than Barca and few a conssiderable fewer number of trophies to show for it, which then is the bigger club?? Abeg i hate it just as much as u when barca fans claim Barca is the biggest team in the world. But either ways, am a United fan and i dont allow sentiments and my dislike for Barca cloud my judgement. Barca is currently a bigger team than United.
Ok. By ur analogy, can u tell us which club is bigger between Juventus and AC Milan??

Please don't change the argument or i would stop replying you too. The debate has always been who's the biggest not comparing who's bigger than whom, confirm that. Actually I'm not even interested in debating if United is a bigger club than Barcelona. Currently, Barcelona is rated higher than United financially and you don't even know. When United become wealthier again, there will be no debate about because United would have the bigger fan base as we have currently and be wealthier. You obviously don't even know your facts and it's sheer ignorance to use to total number of trophies as a metric for football success( more for Barcelona though) but trophies aren't equal. My argument is even beyond all these so i don't necessarily need to go on with you when you have so limited things to say.

homesteady:
You must be suffering from chronic confusion and a brain disorder! We're you out of your senses when you wrote the emboldened?



And what does the below paragraph mean?

Like i said earlier, comprehension has failed you and you are disgracing yourself even further. You guys have had more success than Madrid in the last 10 years, true. But how did that make your number of league titles or CLs exceed that of Madrid in that period? Barcelona enjoying more success in the last 10 years does not translate to being more successful than Madrid because you guys are still behind in almost every metric. How can you not understand this basic thing? 10 years ago, Madrid was still a more successful club than Barcelona, 5 years ago again Madrid was still a more successful club than Barcelona and currently Madrid is still a more successful club than Barcelona. In the next 10 years Madrid would still be be a more successful club than than unless Barcelona exceeds the number of league titles/CLs Madrid has won or exceed Madrid in some other means or metric over which Madrid has the advantage currently.

If after this, you still can't understand, then it's obvious your case and your comprehension problems are beyond redemption and i can't help you further or i won't even bother to reply you.

diggz:
I see shots ;DD

Nihilist abeg we need your honourable presence here.

Abeg some one should get me my popcorn with a bottle of cola.

Guy no shots abeg. No Barcelona chap here is capable of taking me on intellectually in these debates and i don't want this to degenerate into insults so they can't use that as their saving grace. Let's keep this civil please. I see nihilist is already here though.

Poor folks disturbing me when they can't even defend their own club.

homesteady:
Your brain has been overworked for a while now and it's making you to say some really senseless things!

So been the most successful club in this century and having arguably the best team the world has ever seen should not be considered as success because they are trying to catch up with Madrid? Seriously?

You're extremely silly. How and when did i claim the part in bold? Don't you know what the argument is about? it's about the biggest club in the world not who has enjoyed more success in the last years. Comprehension has failed you here. I challenge you or any other Barcelona fan to prove what I've been saying as falsehood.

Obviously you guys can't argue sh1t and that's why i would keep on whipping you guys silly on your thread because one of your chaps had the misfortune to dare me when i stated a fact. I'm finding this too easy for me so tell me who is the brightest Barcelona fan here?

AdeLaNa1:
lol. Even if i really dont know United as much as u do, i still know United pretty well. And of cos i know United is bigger Liverpool. Just needed to be sure
United being bigger than Bayern is still debatable. But United is not as big as Bigger at the moment. Not now and not in the last 10 yrs. Sure United is still wealthier than Barca and was bigger than Barca before that 2009 final. But since then, Barca has overtaken United and ve won considerably more trophies and are financially stable as well. Simply put, Barca is bigger than United.

You're saying a whole load of nonsense here mixed with bullsh1t and it hurts to tell you this as a United fan. We were debating who's biggest in the world and at what. We were debating who's the biggest in the world. United have been the biggest in the world at various things in the last 10 years and even now but Barcelona in that time frame have been biggest at nothing. I repeat nothing, and they are the biggest at nothing currently.

But personally i dont like using the last decade in this type of arguments coz football dint start in 2006. Neither did it start in 1992. And that's why Madrid are still the biggest club on this planet!!

Those that say we should disregard history are extremely silly. They forget that whatever football success you enjoy now would eventually become history tomorrow. They can't tell if Barcelona would struggle badly tomorrow or in the next 10 years and they would have to fall back to their history of the success they have enjoyed. They better keep on playing catch up to surpass Madrid or they'll never be bigger.
Homesteady and Co, take note.

And just for reference, my two maybe three most parameters in determining a big club are:
1. Total number of major trophies won
2. Financial strength and stability
3. Fanbase which for me is negligible in this case

I have gone through this already and your it's pretty similar to what i used as indices in my previous post . Change the first to football success because number of trophies is a very similar parameter. We can't have clubs who have 5 Fa clubs claiming to be more successful than those with 3 league titles or CLs. You should read my previous post where i made a lot of explanations regards this, i can't do that again. The rest is fine by me.

So Barcelona enjoying more success more than any other club in the world in the last 10 years makes them the biggest or the most successful club in the world?
Please where do i classify this kind of gross stupidity exhibited by these folks?
The term biggest is as a result of a cumulative figure/numbers or how much success in total relative terms. Let me make this more easier for these Barcelona folks who are currently displaying an unprecedented level of ignorance. Make use of this basic analogy to up your understanding
''For instance in 2005 Madrid has 700k, while Barcelona had 200. In 2006 Barcelona earned 50k, Madrid earned 0k. Barcelona and Madrid then had 250k and 700k respectively. Did Barcelona become richer/bigger than Madrid as a result of this in 2006? Of course not!
In 2007, Barcelona earns 20k again while Madrid earns nothing. Barcelona and Madrid then had 270k and 700k respectively. Isn't Madrid still richer than Barcelona? Lets assume these events go on exactly similarly with Barcelona earning more than Madrid each single year till date but never exceeds Madrid figure, does it mean Barcelona was richer/bigger than Madrid in that time frame or at any point in time in that time frame? Stop this lunacy. Barcelona has enjoyed more success than Madrid in the last 10 years but it did not make them bigger. They are playing catch up. Barcelona hasn't been bigger than Madrid at any point in time in the last 10 years or even now and it's idiotic at best to even suggest that. Keep on playing catch up, you might eventually surpass them but it's lunacy to claim that now. Take that to the bank and cash on it!

AdeLaNa1:
Lol. Few Barca fans here started following football in 2009. To them, the last 10 is all that matters. Nothing concern them with the years b4 dat. Even dat one went to post meme of Barca titles as if Football started in 1991.
I dont quite agree on United being bigger than Barca at any point in this decade tho.


Anyways, According to this ur analysis, can u tell me who is bigger between United and Liverpool, and Barca and Bayern

United is far bigger than any of those 3 clubs you mentioned. Read my previous post.
Sorry it seems you don't really know our club as much as i do. You'll see what i mean when i'm done educating these Barcelona folks who seem to have forgotten their place because they've enjoyed too much success recently.

jstbeinhonest:
By what parameter is manu a bigger club than barca.3 parameters are used in judging what club is the biggest in the world.
1.Wealth and Income.
2.Success on the field of play
3.Fanbase.
.
Over the past 10yrs,Barça have been number 1,in the 2nd and 3rd parameters and are still trashing man u in the 1st parameter.

Good. You got the parameters right but the part in bold is false.
Wealth and Income: United were first as far back from the beginning of the 21st century (2007 in the link) till 2012 while Madrid have been first from 2013 till date( not for long). Barcelona were never first. I repeat, never first so they were never the biggest regards financial terms in that time frame.

This is a link to the compilation of most valuable football clubs by the most reputable financial magazine/agency Forbes from 2007 till date and it correlates with what I've stated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes%27_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs.

Success on the field on play: I don't even need to debate this because it's pure falsehood. In the last 10 years you guys are playing catch up to Madrid and even now are still playing catch up in terms of success on the field. Madrid was the most successful club and still the most successful club even now. At least United are the biggest in England; We have the highest number of league titles and FA club( shared record with assnal) and it's only in CL that another English club surpasses United(Liverpool has 5). Overtake Madrid first like United overtook Liverpool in England, then we can take you guys more seriously.

Fanbase: This is where United has always been ahead( since the beginning of this century) and is still very much ahead currently. United has the highest number of fans in the world and there's no debate here. I would try to be nice and give you a fun fact here; Barcelona has the highest number of fans in Europe, but that's it and it ends there. Worldwide it's not close at all. In fact i think we have double the number of fans of the next club in line. I have attached links again as proof.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/may/29/manchester-united-premierleague
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2012/May/manchester-united-global-following-confirmed-as-659million.aspx?pageNo=1

Now currently United in the last 10 years was one the biggest club in the world in terms of fan base and financial value but now United is only biggest in terms of fan base while Madrid currently is the biggest in terms of football success and financial value. These are proven facts. So tell me what is Barcelona biggest at? or what has Barcelona been biggest at in the last 10 years or even 50 years? Absolutely nothing!

I warned you guys earlier that you guys should know your place but you wouldn't listen and here's the result of your disobedience. You should be debating who's bigger between Barcelona and Bayern but not United or Madrid. I repeat, know your place so Barcelona won't get exposed like this the next time. I won't be very nice next time, and believe me i have more to say.

TRendlona:
I don't think u knw wat u r saying

Unluckily for you, i have too much time on my hands I know exactly what i'm saying and i can prove it. That image you posted is quite useless as it's only showing how much success you guys have enjoyed over the years relative to other clubs. It doesn't say you are biggest or anything like that. You guys aren't even the biggest in our own home country (Spain), so it's a travesty to refer to Barcelona are as the biggest in the world.
It's obvious again you don't understand the concept of time frame and football sucess so i would break down my explanation into simpler bits for you to digest. In footballing countries, the league title is the most prestigious followed by the major domestic cup which is a very distant second( i know some of your folks here don't know the difference between a cup and a title); for example in England we have the PL title and the FA cup, in Spain the la liga title and the Copa del rey, in Italy the Scudetto and the Copa Italia, in Germany the Bundesliga title and the DFB pokal etc
Now Madrid has a considerable lead over you guys in the number of league titles while you guys have more cups and even hold the record. I have already established a title is far relevant than a cup, so Madrid owns Barcelona here. In Europe the destruction is even worse when you consider that you guys have 5 CL while Madrid has over the double of that figure. So you guys are pretty much playing catch up to Madrid. Whether Barcelona have won more la liga titles or CL than Madrid in the last 10 or even 50 years more than Madrid is useless if Madrid still has the higher tally. Maybe in the next 15 years Barcelona might meet up but currently and even in the last 10 years, Madrid still has the higher tally /figure so they are still very much bigger.
United has just 3 CLs and Madrid 11. For example In the next 10 years if United goes on to win 5 CLs while Madrid win none in that time frame, would it mean United have become better/bigger club in Europe even more than Madrid? Would 8 automatically become bigger than 11 by then?

That's how silly you Barcelona folks sound when you try to use the relatively higher success in the last 10 years to claim you are bigger than Madrid. If you can't understand this, then i can't help you further and i won't even bother trying to explain to you again because I've done an excellent job already.

jstbeinhonest:
Over the past decade,what is the name of the biggest club in the world?.

United and Madrid have been the biggest at various points in time in this decade, Barcelona never in that frame of time even with overwhelming football success in that period relative to others. I sincerely hope you didn't ask that just to get a debate.

Barcelona is many things but not the biggest; you guys should know your place.

elrony:
could it be MoaningHoe wasn't interested in him?

I don't think so but Mourinho couldn't have sanctioned the transfer even if he was certainly interested as LVG was the manager then.

adebayo201:
Dembele of Tottenham?? Should be SAF...

No, I think he meant the Dembele from Rennes who has signed for Dortmund.

Too bad Conte is quite busy at the Euros right now because he's gonna need all the time he can get to sort a lot of stuff at Chelsea. I feel he's very unlucky to have gotten this point in time to manage in the PL when the managerial acumen levels and competition is gonna be at an all time high. I mean with Klopp at Liverpool who'd be looking to return to CL spots, Pep at City, Jose at United, Wenger still seriously trying to challenge for the title and not forgetting Totenham/leceister/westham who would be looking to build on what they've achieved in the previous season. Making top 4 with Chelsea relative to these events would be decent enough for his 1st season but i can see Roman doing away with him quite easily if he fails to do so and that's why it's either bust or boom for him.

elrony:
He was touted as one of the best young talents in Europe!
never seen him play tho.

the news don gather huge momentum anyhow....with transfer to be completed in a day or so.

make we dey look sha!


Abeg who knows Embolo should throw more light on here!!

Cc: GBR1

He's fast and strong( even more than Martial) but Martial's dribbling and finishing is considerably better. Embolo can put in better crosses though and might have an higher work rate. The prices being quoted are decent enough and i don't mind taking a punt on him but now i'm just wondering why we didn't go for Dembele (who was cheaper) and who's proven more in a worse team in a better league (Rennes in the French league). Embolo plays in the Swiss league for Basel and the PL would be a significant step up in terms of quality and it's difficult to predict how well he could manage; He could end up like Depay for example in his first season and that's a situation Jose would be hoping to avoid. I'm all for buying terrific talents but i just feel we'll be better off next season by adding an already proven/experienced player like Mahrez, Mane or Mikhi on the RW.

I Casillas' hand in this
http://www.90min.com/posts/3319482-del-bosque-admits-de-gea-may-not-start-euro-2016-opener-after-sex-allegations?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob

Del Bosque Admits De Gea May Not Start Euro 2016 Opener After Sex Allegations

SailorXY:
My eyes are really wide opened on this Euros to see why Pogba is priced @ £73m!

Pogba don die be that!

chic2pimp:
Even if we both agree that Alves is an above average defender, He still isn't what I would class a good defender. Barca almost total domination of the ball made him look like a much better defender than He actually was.

To all intents and purposes, the part in bold is true for most defenders but here I'm not trying to argue he's world class at defending. I have stated he's decent enough(above average) and this coupled with his extraordinary attacking abilities made him that good as RB. I think we found a common level.

As an avid follower of Serie A, i'd be the last person to underrate Maicon. From 2008-2010,He was quite possibly the best RB in world football(He was extraordinary during Inter's treble winning campaign). Having said all that, His decline was hard and fast and still Alves couldn't dislodge him.

It's not as easy as you trying to make it appear. Casillas form has declined ridiculously since 2013, why is he still ahead of De Gea?
I'm not trying to draw exact parallels with this example but just take note of what i'm implying here
Maicon had been a mainstay for the Selecao long before Alves emergence winning multiple and important titles with them.It's not surprising he stayed long or was difficult to displace. Alves had his chance when he was the preferred starter in the beginning of one Copa America( can't remember the exact year) but failed to take advantage and Maicon came in to replace him subsequently but I still think he managed some respectable number of appearances. Currently and even as at the time Maicon was off, Alves had earned more caps than him.
I don't necessary need to go into details regards Maicon and Alves because this debate isn't centered between them but rather Alves with Lahm. You shouldn't have used it as a beating stick for Alves in the first place.

Felipao should take the blame for persisting with Fred not Dunga whose striker of choice was Fabiano.

I got the exact details here wrong then, still..

Also Carlos amassing that number of caps had all to do with Brazil having no better option at the position during that period.

This is quite false. I doubt another player who was better at defending than Carlos would have taken his place in the national team simply on the basis that he was better at defending. Since the 90s football changed so much such that the duties of fullbacks evolved to cater for more attacking instincts. Brazil was an hot bed for this and being good at attacking was equally important as defending, or even more. A good number of wingers got converted into fullbacks because of this and it was highly beneficial at the time. So Carlos rightfully earned his place not because of less competition or some petty reason like that.

Not forgetting that He was the the starting Left Wingback for the Biggest club in the world for well over a decade.

Barcelona is not the biggest club in the world and hasn't been the biggest in over 50 years or as far back as i can remember. Starting at Barcelona doesn't guarantee anything though. I won't be surprised if someone takes me up on this.

Once more let me state this, I have never once called Alves a poor defender. I said that He was an average defender.

Your definition of average might need a review then, because if Alves is average, then by your definition Lahm should just be barely above average at defending(if we're actually agreeing Lahm's better at defending). The difference in attacking class between them should however should be enough to compensate for Alves and even help him surpass Lahm in being the better RB overall.

I'll have a good look at both player's defensive stats in a moment. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

This can only be a good thing.

IMO Payet even without the goal was MoTM and Kante was really immense. Martial saw so little off the ball due to his limited game time. Payet is actually better at the middle, so i hope Martial gets more chances at the left.

elrony:
after 4 good years mehn!!!..beats me too!

I just hope it doesn't escalate more than this... (tho my best wish is for it to be a lie lol)

Casillas must stay bench

I think it was over before it actually began. The police have investigated the report and found no proof sufficient enough for even a case against those guys. Now it's all up in the media already, i doubt those guys would ever let it see the light again.

chic2pimp:
Alvez was an average defender during his peak years. That's why He was never able to displace Maicon in the National Team

Alves was above average when defending. Brazil's preference for Maicon doesn't change that. I think you are underrating Maicon who had excellent performances for Inter during that period (2007-2010). Regardless i think the Brazilian team selection is a very poor metric to rate Alves low in defending because in recent times the selection has been more or less a joke. Dunga is a lunatic and makes some very ridiculous choices. Decisions like Fred as CF, or freezing Silva out of the team are very questionable etc. That's why this assertion of yours is quite negligible in this debate as a good premise. Now if R.Carlos who actually was quite poor at defending at all levels(club/country) could earn so many caps because of his attacking abilities, what does that tell you about Alves? In fact i believe this misconception of Alves being a poor defender is linked with Carlos experiences as a defender.

If you're still in doubt check out Alves defending stats in the last few years(when he's declined actually), and even compare it to Lahm; you'd find surprises there.

elampiro:
Paddy McNair has revealed Jose Mourinho contacted him to wish him luck ahead of Northern Ireland’s Euro 2016 campaign.

The defender has since totalled 21 appearances for his club, and good form has seen him named in Northern Ireland’s squad for the European Championships.

The 21-year-old has won nine caps for his country, and he has revealed Mourinho has wished him luck ahead of the tournament.

McNair said: "He sent me a text message wishing me good luck for the tournament - that was nice of him.

"I'm sure he'll be watching and I'll be trying my best and hopefully he likes what he sees."

[Source: Talksport] #MUFC #Mourinho #McNair

I'm sorry for him because it wouldn't take Mourinho that long to figure out how sh1tty he is.

parrotibaba:
I dey read news saying Pjanic don go juve for €38m. Juve beat off competition from PSG, Chelsea and Barcelona.
Na dis kind ninja we need not Pogba.
http://m.goal.com/x/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2016/06/10/24485452/pjanic-on-brink-of-38m-juventus-move-claims-representative

Thats's just 30m pounds. To think that we signed Herrera for 29m, Fellani for 27m or Morgan for 25m makes it very irritating...

elrony:
I smell Casillas hand for this matter!!!

#just_playing o

Exactly. Now just when you remember he has a wife who works with the media... De gea might actually be guilty regards these events but they happened between 2011/12, why was this moment chosen exactly to bring it all up?

Omo De Gea don enter trouble o. Big one infact.

elrony:
lol GBR1 so make we buy Pogba for £100m??...

we still need to strengthen other positions with quality too!!
na wao...

No we are never gonna pay that much for him. Even Madrid at best would pay about £70m for him. I hope you aren't confusing £s for €s.

I see it's getting hot here. I think Nihilist has time on his hands to promote this one.