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Kagawa10:
That's fat lie!
Madrid never begged Mourinho to return. It was just speculation that the president might want him back.
Ancellotti is 10 times better than Mourinho. All the trophy he won were did with Gusto, attacking Flairs, fluid passing which is quite better than the park the bus master!

It's not just speculation. It's was reported by reputable news outlets/journalists both in Spain and England.
The most recent update about Mourinho to united contained similar reports about Jose to Madrid which supports what i said. Madrid made various approaches, not even a single one. So google up, find out and read. I can't be spoon-feeding you every time.

BTW, please don't make this an argument between Jose and Ancelloti. I won't warn you again.

dopeJemi:
just sum your sh.it up and tell us mourinho is not a good coach cause it seems as if that is what you are implying, but if not, i'd advice you shut the hell up and stop bringing up stoopid arguments and allow us sign the dude
I don't see what the argument is here, if I ask you now if mourinho is a good coach or not, you'll definitely say he is, so what the hell are you arguing for?

You don't even need to worry; I think it's a done deal already.

Kagawa10:
You obviously forgot about Lingard whom Lvg mentioned as to the reason he wasn't interested in Pedro because he thinks Lingard is ready to contribute much more this season.
Really, it is you who should back up your claims rather making baseless assumption everywhere yet accuSing others of making assumptions.

I'm really sorry for you as a united fan who believes everything LVG says. LVG was interested in Pedro, in fact he was so interested that he mentioned him as the kind of player with speed and creativity that we needed. Woodward left England but failed to complete the deal. The fact that he failed in acquiring him or that he was snatched from us by chelsea does not change the truth. LVG is quite arrogant and stubborn and he was only trying to save face regards the use of lingard later.

I'm really sorry for that you are so blind that and cannot see the truth even when it's shoved into your face.

raumdeuter:
Mourinho has been sacked at his last 2 jobs not just Chelsea

And why are clubs not chasing him around like they were in 2007.

After Mourinho was sacked, Bayern has appointed Carlo, Madrid has appointed Zidane, City has appointed Guardiola, PSG has renewed Blanc

Always remember i would be here to stop you when you tell lies and use logic haphazardly on this thread. The interval between Mourinho's sacking and Ancelloti's appointment is about 3 days and this suggests Bayern were already in negiotations with Ancelotti to take over before Mourinho got sacked. So how could Bayern sign Jose when he was still in a job then? I expected better from you.
Mourinho has been sacked from two clubs precisely Chelsea and Madrid and i hope it interests you to know that Ancelloti has been sacked by those two respective clubs. Infact he has been sacked more times than Jose and he's still considered a top manager.

These are big clubs that would have normally looked at Mourinho and they all looked away even when they needed coaches and Mourinho is jobless and available

According to reports, Mourinho is begging for Man utd job badly and had to write an undertaking. Man Utd thought about it not once not twice even some people are still not convinced about him till now in Man Utd organisation. Would that have happened to him 8yrs ago?

The only reason Man Utd is considering him is because of LvG failures, If LvG is sitting top of the league right now or even top 2, tell me which top club Mourinho go coach next season

Football and coaching is by what you achieved at your last job, If na by CV Benitez wont be coaching a relegation team currently

Madrid has begged him recently various times to return even before Benitez got fired so i don't know what you are on about again. Now you stating news from very shady sources as fact because you want to prove a point and i don't really need to go on.

What has united done to you?

Dadehmola:
@GBR1

If fergie was still in charge and we were still winning trophies and all... only for him to announce his retirement, Do you think we woulld be looking to replace him with a coach who was recently sacked for battling relegation at a top club..all in the name of past records?

Yes, we would gladly look to it, if that coach was the current EPL winner, if the coach has 22 major trophies in various leagues, if the coach has won a league title everywhere he's been.... Yes we would be looking forward to it if that coach was Jose Mourinho as it now.
In fact i was pained when i realized we would be getting Moyes when Fergie retired instead of Mourinho who was available that period as he just left Madrid. I remember the CL match we lost to Madrid and Jose's reaction in the post match conference. He said the better team lost and was very humble about results regards us. He wanted the united job. It's was his dream job but we threw that all away with Moyes appointment and now in my opinion this appointment is 3 years late already.

sinizia, chrisley024, LVG has been very successful at fooling a lot of people in various ways. Who remembers sometime earlier in the season when we were on the verge of breaking a very old record of having at least someone from the academy in the team squad? Why did that almost happen if he was so good at giving youth chances? Some folks would also say he kept a thin squad so academy players would get chances but this is false too. When almost everyone was fit earlier in the season with no injuries, LVG was finding it hard to place players from the academy on the bench( not even to start them). The major reason these players are getting such chances now is injuries to the first team guys. Another reason is that LVG has realized he has failed and wants to leave as much as you can call a legacy by giving debuts to several players in the hope that some of them can become successful after he's gone. So that later we can look back and pay homage to him

I think i would start bursting other myths regards LVG. Too many folks have been deceived like Kagawa10.

raumdeuter:
How can it make sense to you when you have no nous to detect one?

You are the one who refused to be objective. Simply put Mourinho on the same datum you used to evaluate LvG and he failed yet you are ranting bar common sense running from pillar to post

I already proved you cannot use the same data since their situations were different. I addressed that in the post below earlier but your comprehension problems prevented you from understanding. That's why i said you should read that post again.

LVG stock was far lower than Jose's own after he almost relegated Barca because he already had a previous campaign which failed. That campaign was his first stint with the dutch national side when he remarkably failed and he couldn't even qualify them for world cup. It was after this he was chased away to Barca where he failed again with Barca few points above relegation. Mourinho is the current EPL winner. His current situation differs a lot from LVG's. You are making this argument too easy for me.

I have already proved Jose doesn't need to do such a thing. He has done greater in the past and his record speaks for him.
When your head is far up Jose arsee that you would even lie and even edit posts regarding Mourinho

Dayokanu read!

Were you not the one who told us openly that Mourinho didnt lose to Bournemouth when you were caught shamefully went to edit the post

Truth is lets use the same thing you used to judge LvG and Mourinho and lets see how Jose is any better. But common sense would always evade you

Yesterday I was here telling Kagawa the mistakes and misdeeds of LvG. Which tells you I dont regard LvG as a god unlike you that would jump out leaving common sense at home to defend Mourinho even lie and edit posts to justify whatever rubbish you are serving for the day
when would you remove your tongue lodged deep in Mourinhos anus and reason for a second

This only reinforces what i said earlier. You only bring up this past deed when you are beaten to a corner like currently and have nowhere to run to. I don't need to bring up your past misdeeds or goofs to defeat you in any debate, and i don't see myself needing it the future. It's only a prerogative of yours.

Well it's not in your nature to give up easily, so i won't bother replying on this since you nothing objective to say and spare you the pain of posting nonsense when you are out of points.

Odunharry:
lol.... You surely not like Neville

no i actually admire his courage or should i say stupidity in doing what he did. He's a braver man than Giggs if you know what i mean.

raumdeuter:
Whats this clever by half you talk about

After LvG almost relegated Barca what did he do next? He went to AZ and won the league which brought his stocks back up again That is facts that is history not fairy tales you want us to believe

Winning CL previously winning La Liga with Barca didnt stop LvG from going to the basics and proving himself with AZ after he failed in Barca

LvG had CL succes in the past Mourinho had CL success in the past

LvG won several league for several clubs, Mourinho won several league for clubs

LvG almost relegated Barca, Mourinho almost relagated Chelsea

Lvg went to rehabilitate himself from a small club before going to a big club (Bayern), Let Mourinho also go rehabilitate himself with a small club like West Brom Augsburg or Levante before going to a big club. If those are too small he should start from AS Roma Schalke and Sevilla

Despite LvG success in the past he still went to a smaller club to rejuvenate his career let Mourinho do the same before looking for a top club

Read the post you quoted again(this time slowly) and see if you're making any sense. That post replies this nonsense you have written again.

You lost this argument a long time ago since you refused to be objective, and now you can keep quiet and move along if you have nothing else to say.

raumdeuter:
The post I referred to didnt the poster judge LvG by ONLY his time at Man Utd? What variable and proportions were used when evaluating LvG?

It's your post i had issues with regardless.

Well he is still currently jobless and nothing can take that away. He is jobless because he was sacked for flirting with relegation


At Ancelottis last job he won a CL title. Thats why Bayern is hiring him and not Mourinho

Ancelloti was Jobless for a while too and in a way still jobless until the start of next season when he takes over and it's most likely Jose has already signed a contract with united but it hasn't been announced just yet. I don't even see where you are driving at with this because this is another silly logic and you've been employing too much of this lately. You do this most times when you are out of points to make.
I can say too that in Mourinho's last job he won a league title and he's still the current winner unlike Carlo that was the previous CL winner when he was appointed.

Mourinho was averaging 1 win per month and you want him to finish the season? If you own a company and see a manager declaring losses every month would you wait to see if he would actually bankrupt the company before firing him?

How many wins was Klopp averaging per month when he was with dormund in that difficult season? Dortmund eventually finished 7th or so. You are not a god to determine the future that easily and stocks losses in economics do not exactly correlate with football performances. Don't make me give instances because you would get embarrassed by the nonsense you have been spewing lately.

LvG recent records has him 3rd at the world cup. That is the current situation and you are the hypocrite here. When the same type of scrutiny you beamed on LvG was done to Mourinho you started throwing fits

All I did was use the same criteria used to judge LvG for Mourinho and guess what he fell flat

I have gone over this already and i don't need to repeat myself.

Your negative obsession with Mourinho regards united is only gonna cause you more embarrassments like this when you are running from pillar to post and pontificating like you are doing currently.

raumdeuter:
After the Barcelona debacle What did LvG do? He went to a small club AZ Alkmaar and won the league with them. So Bayern hired LvG after he won a league with AZ not after he almost relegated Barca

Stop trying to be clever by half. You aren't the only one who knows history.
LVG stock was far lower than Jose's own after he almost relegated Barca because he already had a previous campaign which failed. That campaign was his first stint with the dutch national side when he remarkably failed and he couldn't even qualify them for world cup. It was after this he was chased away to Barca where he failed again with Barca few points above relegation. Mourinho is the current EPL winner. His current situation differs a lot from LVG's. You are making this argument too easy for me.

If you want to draw parallels with Bayern hiring LVG vs Man Utd hiring Mourinho, after almost relegating Chelsea, let him go take Augsburg, West brom, Levante and win the league with them like LVG did with AZ Alkmaar before coming to Man Utd

I have already proved Jose doesn't need to do such a thing. He has done greater in the past and his record speaks for him.

raumdeuter:
If I cant judge him by his most recent job at Chelsea where he was sacked for flirting with relegation, Can I judge him for the previous one at Madrid?

I'm not saying you shouldn't judge by his time at chelsea but it's wrong when it's the only time reference you used. Everything should be used relatively with several variables and proportions. You passed a very poor judgement. I have some doubts too about Mourinho but it's a stretch too far to say it's all as a result of his last campaign which was controversial. That's the first and only time he was that bad ever in his career.
He's still the current/reigning EPL winner and the nonsense you brought up can't take that away.

where he was also sacked after ending trophyless and for bringing shame to Madrid name by instigating fights?

In Ancellotti last campaign at Madrid, he finished trophyless and got sacked. Did that stop Bayern from appointing him?. stop being an hypocrite. Mourinho did not even finish the season (though we don't know how chelsea would have finish the season)

what do you want me to judge him by? His performances in 12yrs ago for FC Porto or those 6yrs ago for Inter? You can as well get Benitez who also won the CL 11yrs ago and played a CL final 9yrs ago

I think by now you should know how to judge him, if you really want to be reasonable.
LVG won the CL over 18 years ago but he was still considered good and we appointed him. Jose's record is not a problem.

Odunharry:
Heard Gary Neville has bn sacked

chrisley024:
Valencia sack Neville!
Unbelievable got sacked before LvG.

Yes it's official now.... http://www.valenciacf.com/ver/57041/comunicado-oficial-.html

They left that decision too late i think. Where is nyabingyi?

Kagawa10:
The thing woth Mourinho is he would bring us back to square 1 after some few years of his reign.
I, personally want stability in the club, not a short term success that would go down drain in Mourinho subsequent years in the club.

It seems the world has left some of you behind. Look around you, almost all top coaches don't stay long again and most top clubs blueprints currently do not support that approach. SAF was the last of those kind of top coaches because i don't think Wenger is currently good. It was this kind of foolish thinking that made us appoint Moyes and we gave him a six-year contract deluding ourselves he could continue the good work of SAF, and we ignored top coaches available then because we wanted stupid stability coupled with Moyes' mediocrity.

If there are better manager like Tuchel, Pocchetino, Ancelotti, out there to replace LVG, i would be up for it, but not Mourinho.

The only manager in this list close to Mourinho is Ancelotti and i don't even think he's better than Jose. The rest have proven nothing and have won shi.t. That could change soon but we are not currently a club for experiments by those coaches when a certified option is out there available.

Also, I can see the vision Van gaal has for the club. He wants a team that's fluid in their passing and movement with good control in the midfield like his Ajax team but sadly few players fit the criteria. Majority of our players are either immobile, lacks good off the ball movement and poor in their passing skills, especially when under pressure. No wonder he adores the likes of Lingard, Young, Rashford, Martial and Fellaini who all has one thing in common which is their 'off the ball movements' eventhough their technical skills differs from one another.
Once LVG gets his ideal midfielder to replace Carrick, move Schneiderlin to a box-box role and get a better playmaker than Lingard to operate at high level through the middle and a good right winger, the team should be good to compete at all level. He already acknowledged the team's needs for a right winger and he did sign Bastian to replace Carrick which didn't materialise in the end.
Bastian and Morgan midfield could have been our version of the German midfield of Bastian and Khedira or Bayern's Javi Martinez and Bastian, unfortunately, Bastian's injury spoiled the show.
Lvg had always wanted a mobile pacy playmaker and the more reason he severally tried Herrera in the attacking midfield role which yielded no success and he eventually had to settle with Lingard, who's been fantastic in the role in 2 consecutive games now. Although I still think if a better playmakers (like Insigne, Pjanic etc) is available in the summer, we should go all out for him. Another ball playing experienced centerback would also be a great addition to the team.
Lvg's courage to bring in the likes of Rashford, lingard, Varela, Cbj, Fosu Mensah etc, even in our turbulent season needs to be applauded. I don't think any coach could have done such, especially at the time he's having a difficult season.

You make too much speculations/assumptions to sound reasonable. I'm not even interested in destroying the falsehoods in the post i just quoted so i would make this very simple for you.
If LVG has a vision for our club (though i really doubt this), i'm sure it's one that's gonna fail. He's gonna retire next year either way, so if he couldn't implement those visions in almost 2 years, then we'd be fools to wait on him for another year and by the time he's leaving we might not have good options for coaches like Mourinho. I wonder the way some of you reason at all. LVG never recovers from these kind of lows, and it's more unlikely now and also it's obvious he's past it. For example, he left Barcelona (at his 2nd stint) 3 points above relegation before he was chased away and Raumdeuter would deceive some fools into believing we shouldn't appoint Jose because he left chelsea in similar state when his club Bayern with this knowledge still appointed LVG then. Then he got sacked at bayern when he was struggling to make champion league places though he had previously won a league title and gotten them to the finals of the CL . He hasn't done nothing like that here. He has won nothing here or proved anything to even make us consider giving him the last year.

Sincerely, I don't know what it will take for some of you to realize that the LVG experiment has failed and it's time to move on, and unfortunately, we don't have that much time any longer.

I wish i saw this post earlier

raumdeuter:
You are slating LvG but now campaigning for a
A Coach who sold Lukaku because he missed a penalty

There are already enough reasons to slate/dislike Jose but i don't know why you still needed this much lies to prove a point. Jose did not consider Lukaku the main striker to lead a title challenge and he got limited opportunities. But at the end, it was Lukaku who asked to leave himself and Jose wished him well. I believe they still have a decent relationship as recently it was reported Lukaku was opened to joining Jose at united when he takes over. Why would he want that if what you are trying to paint here is true?

A coach who sold Debruyne, Salah
A coach who sold Mata so he can make Oscar his main 10

He is far from perfect but he still won the league title recently even with these bad acts, though debateable, he commited. Those guys who left did not their new teams into league winners.

A coach who overlooked other decent strikers and bought the same failed Falcao
A coach who checked all the better wingers in the world including Douglas Costa to buy Cuadrado
A coach who bought Felipe Luiz and sold him in one season
A coach who bought Baba rahman and Papy Djiboloji yet refused to use them
A coach who has been sacked at his last 2 jobs

I agree he has made some shady transfers over the years but he been vindicated and rewarded generally more often than not and remember he's not responsible for all transfers, and that includes some of the terrible ones you listed. For example Lukaku left but he won the league title (in his first season with Costa as striker). Chelsea had not come close to doing that in about 5 years.

A coach who fights everyone player, fans, referee, coaching crew, medical team
A coach who opened eye and insists on playing a slow Ivanovic at Right back vs speedy wingers
A coach whose central defence is hinged on a 35yr old John terry should be beheaded

I agree he does not have the best character but that is negligible for now since conditions he's used to might not have been the best. Ivanovic was one of the better performers when chelsea won the league. A dip in form cannot change that he was not always like that and/or and age is catching up. The same with terry, who Jose tried to replace unsuccessfully.

You should stop judging him with only his time and chelsea and using unreasonable sample space sizes. You are better than this. I don't expect you to mean well for united though.

SIRcumalot:
@kagawa10
stability is a very dangerous thing and also very boring a rollercoaster season is more fun

look at this from strictly the money angle and you understand some of the people against your Point.
transition season" is just something coaches say to defend a poor season by their very own target.
also I like fellani very but your admiration is on another level.

also out of those coaches LVG is better than all except ancelloti

There are more coaches better than LVG but maybe he was just the best available when we needed to offload Moyes. In my opinion, Pep and Jose are better coaches than Ancelloti though, and all 3 are better than LVG.

bigkesh:
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/real-madrid-ready-79m-bid-for-chelsea-s-courtois-tottenham-and-west-ham-eye-wimbledon-prospect-a3212491.html


If Courtois happen to be your team's keeper,can you sell him for anything less than 50m?

Is Courtois worth more than De gea his superior? How much would De gea cost at most? £60 million?

Kagawa10:
Martial chose manutd depite Chelsea offering huge amount for him. Bastian did too. Falcao also came to manutd.
Even Fabregas and Pedro wanted Manutd only that LVG didn't want them.
And I didn't see any Epl top clubs signing any quality established player last season because none were available.

You are now sounding like a clown while attempting revisionism. Martial wasn't a top player when we got him and we still got him at a steep price. Bastian is an injury proned player who was past his best and useless to bayern; how has Bastian performed? Falcao was coming off a major inury and had been a risk at the time, and so he flopped badly.
The part in bold is false too. Chelsea snatched Pedro from us( though we should have no regrets about that) and Moyes wanted Fabregas but he remained in Barcelona and he joined chelsea when he left. So which top player has LVG gotten us? Or does he actually get these top players and they become terrible under him?
Stop the lies.

Kagawa10:
Do you want me to name the players that aint his?
Mata, Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney, Valencia, Carrick, Young are not LVg's signings. The aforementioned players are the ones operating in our midfield and attacks which have been known to be poor thus far. Apart from Young who is decent and maybe Carrick (who can still do a little job inspite of his age), the others are bang average.

Besides Herrera and Fellani, the remaining players you named are premier league winning players. Why hasn't LVG replaced them since they are poor and are the problems? What's stopping him? do you even know how many players he has sold regardless of being poor or not? Have the ones he bought proved to be better? Is he even getting the best from these average players? what's a good coach job? so you think all football success/failure is down to the players and the influence of a coach is negligible? I repeat LVG is past it, and there's usually no coming back from this with him.

Kagawa10:
Why don't you name LVG's signings that cost 250 mil?
As per Mourinho, his Chelsea and Madrid stints already support my claims. These were the only clubs he stayed long enough to know the way he operates.

Van Gaal's major signings
Angel di Maria (£60m)
Luke Shaw (£30m)
Ander Herrera (£29m)
Marcos Rojo (£16m)
Daley Blind (£14m)
Radamel Falcao (£6m loan fee)
Victor Valdes (Free)
Anthony Martial (£36m)
Morgan Schneiderlin (£25m)
Memphis Depay (£25m)
Matteo Darmian (£14.4m)
Bastian Schweinsteiger (£6.3m)
Sergio Romero (Free)
Total spend: £261.7m


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3368757/Louis-van-Gaal-vs-David-Moyes-Numbers-Dutchman-expensive-mistake-Manchester-United.html

Kagawa10:
I disagree with this.
Martial wasn't a panic buy. He had been scouted severally by the scouts. Even during the transfer, the fans were briefed that the club would get a costly striker but only when he's available and at that time Monaco wanted to keep Martial only if they failed to qualify for their CL play off and once they failed to do that, Martial was allowed to leave for Manutd.
I disagree that Martial is too young to lead the team. Infact, he's good enough to bench Rooney. The fact that he's been the team's best player tells a lot. And with a technical creative midfield constantly supporting him, the sky is only his limit.
As per the midfielder, he got one only that he failed to realise he's no holding midfielder. I admit that's his fault.
But to say he's the reason for the poor display from the average players in the team is acting precious.

what are you on about exactly? Whose squad is it? Why does he have average players in his squad? Who asked him not to replace the average players or why has he been signing average players?

Do you even listen to yourself?

Can you say he gotten the best from these average players or are these average players even playing to their abilities?


There's no way to defend him. You are simply confused.

Kagawa10:
Only when a quality players become available. I don't support signing average players for the sake of just signing when you can get quality player in the summer.
That being said, the team's problem is the attack and the non-creative midfield. Our team is the 2nd best team after Spurs to have the least goal conceded.
I repeat The defence aint our problem.

How many of these quality players would come to united with LVG in charge? We are not that attractive anymore due to the mediocrity that have been plaguing us for some years now. Money isn't really much of an advantage anymore like it used to. We are going nowhere with LVG in charge and I'm glad the board has realised that, so he's getting replaced by Jose this summer. This was the appointment that should have been made SAF retired, but it's better late than never.

Kagawa10:
Except that his players would be run to ground and drained physically, emotionally and become shit in the subsequent seasons while playing dull football.
Betwn, Van gaal never spent 250 mil.

stop peddling lies.

LVG spent 250 or more actually but he sold some players but regardless he spent 250 and there's nothing to show for it. We play very terrible football, got no trophies and we have an average squad according to you. So what has he succeeded at?

Kagawa10:
The players are obviously not good enough.

I'm not gonna argue that we have world class players to be throwing shades at Bayern or Madrid but every reasonable united fan would agree that our performances this season have not been reflective of the actual players' abilities. We shouldn't lose to the likes of Norwich, Westbrom, Bornemouth, and even getting schooled by midgetland. Do they have better players than us? Stop this nonsense please.

Is it his fault that Carrick (one of the team's influential player last season) has added another year to his age and as a result has become tortoise in the midfield? Or his fault for the inconsistency of Rooney?
How is it the coach's fault that Young, our instrumental player last season has become ridden with injury since the season began and his supposed replacement, Depay has shown nothing to prove he can cut it in the top league?

LVG has been tasked with rebuilding the squad, clearing out deadwood and making us very competitive again. To this effect, he has been provided with funds to spend as he wishes. Whose fault is it he hasn't figured out a replacement for Carrick in about 5 transfer windows and is so reliant on him? why did he refuse to buy strikers and placed all hopes on Rooney who has always been inconsistent and never lead the line completely for a title winning team? Then he went on a panic buy, a got us a 19 year old, who though, can actually become a top player but is still too young to lead the line. Depay was LVG's signing, wasn't he? So who gets the blame for spending that much on a flop?
In general, LVG trimmed the squad but it was excessive and his replacements were not enough.

Is it his fault that the likes of Herrera becomes turn overs machine as soon he's under pressure from high pressing opposition team? Or Mata who's been poo for 4 yrs running, starting from his last stint at Chelsea.
Basically, the team has no one other than Schneiderlin to deputise for Carrick however, Morgan has refused to do well in the holding role apart from when deployed as a box-box midfielder.

If Herrera is actually not good enough for LVG, why has he failed to get a replacement or Mata too? He's been provided with funds!

It's even very difficult to judge players under LVG because most of them have regressed under his guidance. He's a terribble coach currently.

As a matter of fact, I found out that majority of Schneiderlin's best performance has been alongside Carrick/Schweinsteger who operates as the holding midfielder while he acts as the box-box midfielder. The Arsenal game for example, where the likes of Ozil, Ramsey et al were too lazy to press our midfield of Herrera-Schneiderlin thereby resulting into large space for them to operate still had Schneiderlin looking average in the holding midfield role. It was even worse against a high pressing Watford team who gave our midfield a hard chase resulting into many turnovers and we had God to thank that Watford failed to capitalise on the turnovers.
Schneiderlin is by no means a poor player but he's not cut out for the holding role and sadly, we have no one except him to deputise for Carrick. Just look at his performance stats on http://whoscored.com, you will notice that his best games were with either Carrick or Schweinsteiger who operated as the holding midfielders. Let's not even go far, the city game is an example.
I'm still of the belief that the squad is where the fault lies, not the coach's system. Basically, the team has no capable creative midfield to support and create for the likes of Rashford, Martial and Lingard yet these aforementioned players hasn't looked out of place in LVG's system. They've been vibrant, agile and look threatening in most games even with few chances created for them. What do you think will happen if we have a technical creative midfield to support them? The defence has been solid despite the little protection offered by the midfield. What do you think would happen with a better technical midfield in front of them.
First and foremost, no one should underestimate the importance of the holding midfield role where Carrick is deployed. I need to remind people that the Dortmund team immediately fell apart as soon as Sahin got injured last season and this season, the only player the new coach, Tuchel recruited into the first team is Weigl, a holding midfielder.
Simply put, the whole Dortmund's first team this season has consists of mainly Klopp's players apart from Weigl, who has been a constant feature in Tuchel's team.
The holding midfielder as inconspicuous as he is, build up the play, provide passing option for the back four, transition the play from the defence to attack, switch play to the wings, his reading of the games and anticipation while defending helps the team a lot.. This is what Carrick provided on daily basis last season but this season, his leg has becomes heavier and the team has no one to operate well in the said role. This has been one reason for the team total falling apart, just like Dortmund did under Klopp as soon Sahin got injured.
Another is the team has no consistent playmaker to orchestrate the play nor create for the forwards. The likes of Mata and Herrera are just average and inconsistent player with little creativity in them.

You are using complications to describe simple things. LVG style of play is the major problem. The players we have are not suited for this. A good coach knows when to adapts or manage these things to obtain good results but LVG is extremely arrogant and stubborn and past his time and that's why he enjoyed most of his success in the earlier parts of his career. We can't beat top bottom teams of the PL table who pack the bus with his tactics/plan when we experience lots of possession but still lose, then we get better results against top half teams who don't pack the bus and we play better on the counter. If we hadn't lost or dropped points to teams in the bottom half, we'd currently be in contention for the title. LVG can never challenge for the PL title due to this. I have not forgotten how we finished last season poorly after we had a good run of results earlier. We are simply not cut for possession football currently but he has failed to realized this. For his talk about possession or philosophy, we aren 't actually even good at keeping the ball. Most teams simply let us keep it because they know we can't do damage with it. We collapse ridiculously when pressed seriously. LVG has been built nothing. He hasn't placed any foundations as some believe. He's a failure.

I will address every of your post soon, and you'd be amazed by how much nonsense that has been said.

Kagawa10:
Ignorance at its peak.
Start with the insult na, 2 can definitely play the game.

You dare to speak of ignorance? the essence of your posts.

I don't even need to resort to insults when i can prove almost everything you posted as crap with limited effort.

Kagawa10:
The players are obviously not good enough.
Is it his fault that Carrick (one of the team's influential player last season) has added another year to his age and as a result has become tortoise in the midfield? Or his fault for the inconsistency of Rooney?
How is it the coach's fault that Young, our instrumental player last season has become ridden with injury since the season began and his supposed replacement, Depay has shown nothing to prove he can cut it in the top league?
Is it his fault that the likes of Herrera becomes turn overs machine as soon he's under pressure from high pressing opposition team? Or Mata who's been shit for 4 yrs running, starting from his last stint at Chelsea.
Basically, the team has no one other than Schneiderlin to deputise for Carrick however, Morgan has refused to do well in the holding role apart from when deployed as a box-box midfielder.
As a matter of fact, I found out that majority of Schneiderlin's best performance has been alongside Carrick/Schweinsteger who operates as the holding midfielder while he acts as the box-box midfielder. The Arsenal game for example, where the likes of Ozil, Ramsey et al were too lazy to press our midfield of Herrera-Schneiderlin thereby resulting into large space for them to operate still had Schneiderlin looking average in the holding midfield role. It was even worse against a high pressing Watford team who gave our midfield a hard chase resulting into many turnovers and we had God to thank that Watford failed to capitalise on the turnovers.
Schneiderlin is by no means a poor player but he's not cut out for the holding role and sadly, we have no one except him to deputise for Carrick. Just look at his performance stats on http://whoscored.com, you will notice that his best games were with either Carrick or Schweinsteiger who operated as the holding midfielders. Let's not even go far, the city game is an example.
I'm still of the belief that the squad is where the fault lies, not the coach's system. Basically, the team has no capable creative midfield to support and create for the likes of Rashford, Martial and Lingard yet these aforementioned players hasn't looked out of place in LVG's system. They've been vibrant, agile and look threatening in most games even with few chances created for them. What do you think will happen if we have a technical creative midfield to support them? The defence has been solid despite the little protection offered by the midfield. What do you think would happen with a better technical midfield in front of them.
First and foremost, no one should underestimate the importance of the holding midfield role where Carrick is deployed. I need to remind people that the Dortmund team immediately fell apart as soon as Sahin got injured last season and this season, the only player the new coach, Tuchel recruited into the first team is Weigl, a holding midfielder.
Simply put, the whole Dortmund's first team this season has consists of mainly Klopp's players apart from Weigl, who has been a constant feature in Tuchel's team.
The holding midfielder as inconspicuous as he is, build up the play, provide passing option for the back four, transition the play from the defence to attack, switch play to the wings, his reading of the games and anticipation while defending helps the team a lot.. This is what Carrick provided on daily basis last season but this season, his leg has becomes heavier and the team has no one to operate well in the said role. This has been one reason for the team total falling apart, just like Dortmund did under Klopp as soon Sahin got injured.
Another is the team has no consistent playmaker to orchestrate the play nor create for the forwards. The likes of Mata and Herrera are just average and inconsistent player with little creativity in them. Story of the team so far.

Kagawa10:
The only thing I can fault him for, is his impatience. Once he saw that Schneiderlin had consecutive bad games, he immediately dropped him not bothering to know whether it was as a result of not being used in his best role (box-box midfield) or not.
The underlined part was him trying to shoehorn Depay into the starting lineups when Martial returned back from his injury. Before then, Depay had the game of his life on the left wing against Midjilland and the only possible way the coach thought about not disrupting the team after Martial's return was to move Rashford/Martial to the right wing or play Martial in a striker role. He's learnt his mistake though and has realised that Depay is basically useless except he's playing against some 3rd rate full back in the europa league..
I would still love if LVG could be allowed to get his ideal midfielders into the team instead of forcing the likes of Herrera, Mata etc down his throat. The likes of Rashford, Lingard, Martial, CBJ and even Varela had already proved that Lvg system doesn't stifle player's attacking instinct/flairs. At least, They have all worked with him for many months now and the system should have made them look worse by now if the system was the problem but it's only shown that the likes of Mata, Depay, Rooney and Herrera are just not good enough. Even a fucking average Fellaini looks good in the same system, the only problem with Fellaini is that his best isn't just good enough for the team.
On Herrera, he's just not good enough. He's a turn over machine waiting to happen against high pressing team. The moment he found it difficult to control the midfield against a high pressing mdjtylland's midfield in the second leg despite the whole team having the game of their lives and the way he looked pathetic against a high pressing Watford team already shows Herrera's average level. The only time he's been good were against lethargic lazy teams like Arsenal and Everton who all failed to give him a good chase in the midfield..

Are you actually a United fan or just an opposition fan trolling for fun?
You won't get a reply if aren't a United but if you are actually one, then you deserve insults for spewing nonsense in such long posts.

elampiro:
Hater!

England cannot do without Rooney. The coach and journalist know it. The fans following know that.

This is not true. You might follow English football very well but you can't be much ahead of the English folks themselves and in their popular opinion, Rooney doesn't deserve to start. This is one poll for example and i think while Rooney might still be a good player overall, there are just better alternatives to him in whatever position he could occupy who are in better form or would have had a better season than him and knowing he hasn't played in months due to an injury.

Never mind though, i believe he'd just walk straight into the team regardless so you have no worries. It's more worrying that there are those who think England would go very far in the Euros, it seems they've learn nothing from the past.

bigkesh:
Courtois- "I don't know if I will stay at Chelsea next season"


Lukaku,Hazard,Courtois....... All these young Belgians with early success have attitude problem.....

why didn't you complete it?
Courtois, who prepares to face Portugal on Tuesday, added he enjoys training with the Red Devils' "world-class players" as opposed to Chelsea's "little less rated" stars.

"The level of training is higher among Devils," he said.

"There are only world-class players [here], while at Chelsea, there are some players a little less rated and we often train with youngsters as well."

We are terrible but Man City appears worse, we should be able to nick top 4 from them.

Leyqute:
Clear penalty. He'd already beaten his man. Ref was wicked not to award it.

We have too many puss.ies in our team especially a weakling in Carrick as captain. It's one of the few moments i'd trust Rooney on. They let the ref get away with that too easily.

How is that not a penalty on Rashford?

Spy360:
Choose ye this day...

Mourinho

OR

Pochentino

I'd go for P.

why don't you guys get him to replace Wenger?

Now it's very unlikely that Jose would not end up being united manager this summer.

Keky:
Stoke are now one point behind united and they don't even have thierry martial and an Aldo sponsorship deal.

Don't be silly, they've played 2 extra games ahead of us.

Chelseafan1:
How did we let Cech go because of this useless Courtois.?

Now it's beyond obvious that he's not on the same level as De gea and I hope the comparisons stop.

SIRcumalot:
we need some help from Chelsea today.

Chelsea would be lucky to get a draw, when they need help themselves. We are not getting top 4 either way.