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BarcaBlood:
Exactly wat happened in 2009? Ure quick 2 refer 2 d ucl semi final against Chelsea. Did abidal deserve a red card 4 his tackle on anelka?

There was no way Barcelona should have gone past Chelsea regardless. Chelsea got robbed and big time too. That was how your 1st treble came about.

eyoniggar:
This is nonsense. My question to you: Name any club in Europe this season that is better than Barcelona? I will quote you promptly.

What are on about regards this question? or what's the relation regards the debate? Moreover I doubt there's better team given that they are the only unbeaten team in the competition.

Cules, its like some people are seeing the Treble dream coming forth, the best line they can come up with now is ''uefalona" I really dont get it, shouldn't this be stupidity? or some peeps have been negatively sworn at ?

There would always be haters but you really shouldn't count your chicks before they are hatched. I don't blame folks who are skeptical about Barcelona's success or treble because some of them remembered that it took a highly controversial CL match in 2009 for you guys to achieve your first ever treble success. The treble last year was even more convincing though it can only do so little to end the doubts regards 2009. Teams have achieved treble success in the past with no limited doubts or stain; For example when United won their first treble in 1999, or Bayern more recently in 2013, they didn't have those issues. As much as Barcelona are trying to create history or records with a 3rd one, people reserve the right to ensure history isn't repeating itself regards what happened in 2009.

raumdeuter:
All these conspiracy theories are bulsshit. Teams play 10 men against barcelona because they try to foul Barcelona more than any other team. You are a man utd fan, Was that not the same complaints against your team from EPL fans some years ago? Would you say its a case of favouritism for manure or that teams were deploying hacking methods

Most of the decisions in those circumstances were fair at the time but there were also some controversial ones i would find difficult to debate. I wouldn't go into this as a United fan.

Barcelona hold the ball and the know how to use the rule to their advantage.

When Suarez kicked at Juanfran in the clip you posted what did Juanfran do? Now tell me assuming that was Suarez, Neymar, Robben, Diego Costa or Busquets that was kicked what would they have done?

Exactly, We have already agreed they hold the ball, but this reason is not the entirety on which we should agree on. It is more of when this is coupled with the way they play the rules to their advantage. I think this is due to the differences in league and football culture in general. Drama or play acting on the pitch is far more prominent in Spain compared to other top leagues and i'm not really a fan of those kind of antics. The league already plays very good/quality overall and it's just more of a stain when teams commit everything to win with those tactics. Barcelona in generally profits from this too much and it's fair to draw a line. I'm all for winning fair and square and i hardly don't understand why they'd need it if they can really be so good, as they are already.

Madrid vs Wolfsburg, Marcelo kicked Arnold, 2 seconds later headbutted Arnold yet Marcelo was the one who rolled on the floor and Arnold was the player who got a red card. Just assume it was busquets that Marcelo kicked or Headbutted

Are you endorsing Marcelo actions? Would you have a Bayern player acting similarly and Bayern still losing like madrid did? I'm sure Barcelona would get similar stick if they failed to win the match.

A team that is as good as barcelona, teams device illegal means of stopping them which involves many hard tackles Players like neymar, Messi, Suarez are so good that people cant stop them by legal means they resort to hard tackles. We saw Felipe luis tackle on Messi which could have been career ending, We saw Zuniga tackle on neymar which could have been career ending, We saw Gallas injuring messi, We saw Del Horno on Messi. Should the referee wait until they ruin their careers before taking action

Look at hazard last year because he was dribbling in the EPL, How many tackles did he suffer ?

This is basically true. Most teams don't have answer to how Barcelona plays. I'm not against players getting fair red cards. It should simply be fair to both sides.
But it's like you are basically encouraging players to dive and win penalties if possible, and blaming those who don't receive penalties because they fail to dive or fall properly when they were tacked. Football won't get very far with that. People have the right to want success at any cost but it shouldn't be at the cost of decency or by cheating.

Robben vs Juventus suffered many niggling tackles now he is out indefinitely. Is it until the game loses all the flair players before referees take action

Zlatan last year was sent off in 30mins vs Chelsea when he didnt make any contact with Oscar does that qualify as one of the circumstances?

Chelsea rightly got criticized for that and they eventually even lost the tie fairly so again i don't know what you are trying to portray with this. I'm against all of it; simulation, cheating, theatrics and deception. Barcelona or Madrid should be no exception to these. They appear worse to me than putting 10 team behind the ball AKA parking the bus.

Abidal was sent off vs Chelsea for daring to chase Anelka does that qualify? When van persie got sent off, he was already petulant with the referee, after that he kicked the ball when he was one a yellow and the whistle had gone

You shouldn't mention the game regards Chelsea because there's simply no justification for that many wrong decisions against Chelsea. The incident regards Van persie is also very strange even with those conditions and it was used as an example in that context.

Spy360:
Really? @emboldened

A red card for staying off, or for not hearing a feeble whistle in a noisy cauldron packed with 108,000 people?

Common!

If RvP had stayed on, we would have won the UCL that season. Shikena. Gbam.

bykebyke:
Well he wasn't..So can we move on?

I have already. The 2nd leg is not far away and i hope fatigue does not kill that game.

bykebyke:
^^
Luis Enrique:“I love the type of player that Luis Suarez is,there’s no other striker in the world like him,"
“In football only defenders are allowed to hit players. If a striker suddenly does it then people are more bothered."

You are allowed to defend Suarez. It's fair enough. He might be a cu.nt, but he's your cu.nt and he delivers when you guys need him. I myself don't mind United having a cu.nt like that but he really should have been sent off.

bigkesh:
Spurs a far better team than Liverpool in Paper were destroyed by Dortmund..... Klopp got Liverpool a draw at Dortmund........ That Tactics for you

No be the same Klopp don improve Sakhi,Can and Co??

Ramdueter,next time you are lucky enough to get schooled by me.... Bring along a jotter

The Spurs team that faced Dortmund was basically a B team. Though i feel Dortmund are a stronger team and would have gone through regardless but the scorelines would have been different had Spurs not rested so many first team players on the occasion. You can't expect Dayo to be reasonable though when it involves an Epl team vs one from Germany.

raumdeuter:
Barcelona hold possesion everytime while most of their opponents try to defend and cancel Barcas tactics. Definitely the opponents would get more cards its only logical.

If you have an opponent that comes out to play football and not defend like cowards there would be less cards


When you keep the ball your opponents would get more cards

This seems fairly right. I stumbled upon an interesting stat that no team has played against 10 men than Barcelona in the CL (new format). Their adversaries have received whooping 30 red cards. Given the way Barcelona play and dominate games, this shouldn't seem abnormal. But this is also pretty debateable as Real Madrid, Bayern, United or Milan have dominated too (fairly similarly) or have made very similar high number of attacking moves in the past but the numbers of red cards their opponents have received is incomparable to that of Barcelona's. I won't spend much time dwelling on this however because the reason for this is not the most obvious answer.
http://www.marca.com/futbol/champions-league/2016/04/05/57042370e2704e4b058b4640.html

But what i find so amusing is how it's so difficult for Barcelona players to get sent off. I watched the match versus Atletico and Torres red card is fully deserved but i noticed when Suarez kicked and punched his opponent and only gets a yellow which is very strange. UEFA, though i really doubt this, might later look into the incident and Suarez may not escape punishment because he's really a cu.nt and being a world class striker doesn't change that. His antics from Ajax to Liverpool and so on precedes him and Barcelona folks defending him isn't going to change that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihw2hzoaehw
Now i don't believe in conspiracies but there are some glaring examples of matches which looked rigged in favor of Barcelona. The one vs chelsea for example and it doesn't get any worse than that and some other strange incidences like Van Persie getting sent off for kicking a ball after the offside whistle. I can't remember any other player getting sent off given the same variables in similar conditions. I get the fact some folks simple just hate Barcelona for being successful and i'm all for being objective, so these kind of arguments shouldn't be dismissed. Besides Madrid fans should stay far away from these kind of arguments because their team is also very controversial and we know what those who live in glass houses should do.

Nihilist:
Oh is this the 2nd 11?

I didn't see BoasTANK in the picture...Is he in the 1st 11?

First 11 ke?

He's battling it out in the third teamhttps://www.fifpro.org/images/World_XI/2015_World_XI/2015_Luko_images/3rd-WorldXI-1080.jpg

raumdeuter:
In every goalkeeping metrics Neuer is at least 3 times better than DeGea. WHo is degea? If Neuer joins Man utd today, Degea would become an instant substitute

Neuer is in the conversation for the greatest goalkeeper of ALL Time and some people are comparing that to Degea?

Degea wont even make 5th choice in Germany

Sorry to break your heart DeGea is not even a top 5 keeper in the world currently

I watch DeGea regularly and watch neuer too and Degea is very inferior to Neuer

Neuer has become the best keeper of his generation a long time ago. He is the standard to which keepers are compared. He is the Messi of goalkeepers

He has now gone beyond his generation he is now compared to all time legends like Yashin, Zoff etc while Degea is still a nobody in the world of football
Jumping around like Chijioke Ejiogu is not what makes a keeper.

Every keeping metric from Command of box, Shot stopping, Comfidence, Playing out of the back. Neuer is like a god to DeGea.

If DeGea ever matches Neuer for even 1 week of his career, he would be deemed a success

Neuer is still considered the best keeper in the world and rightly so but that doesn't mean it couldn't be debated currently. Stop trying to put down De gea to uplift Neuer, you won't get very far with that. De gea is the 2nd best keeper in the world.
https://www.fifpro.org/en/news/2015-world-xi-the-reserve-teams-2

This is FIFAPRO's reserved team...
https://www.fifpro.org/images/World_XI/2015_World_XI/2015_Luko_images/2nd-WorldXI-1080.jpg


There is a single slot for the keeper's position which De gea occupies. De gea achieved this majorly due to individual brilliance/excellence because his team United have not won a single title or cup in the last few years over folks like Buffon who won the double etc or Neuer who is the shot stopper for better teams.
Neuer for all his brilliance has been supported by the performances of his team, both club and country, a luxury which has not been enjoyed by De gea yet.
When De gea enjoys such success with his team(s), Neuer being best would become history and it would be fair enough. But I watch both keepers actually very well and i know who is the better one currently or who i'd have in my team. The only relevant criteria i would still rate Neuer above De gea is the command of box which i feel he's better at. Neuer generally is far more prone to errors currently, and De gea is a superior shot stopper. Make of this what you will.

raumdeuter:
UEFA team of the year doesnt even have DDG

He doesn't need UEFA when there's FIFA's rating for him and besides how can you ask that when you know United were absent during the champions league the previous season

parrotibaba:
it's not a surprise since our highest goal scorer is Martial with 8 goals.


Next season we should go for higuain, payet, a new centreback and maybe mayhrez.

Rooney is still our highest goal scorer but not for long though.

raumdeuter:
Of all options in the world, a tactical donkey is what would replace Lewandoski. Even those better like Mario Gomez and Mandzukic were shipped out.

On a good day Everton or west broom na where him talent fit

I think Lukaku can do well at Bayern regardless. You guys have a system so good that losing Lewandoski and replacing him with lukaku won't make that much of a difference. You might not agree though.

Kagawa10:
LOL!
Everton's pressure became much more as soon as Carrick came off and the team scored with Carrick on the pitch.
Infact, we created little chance and were sloppy in possession as soon as Herrera came on. The only thing Herrera added was pace but apart from this, he was sloppy.

Don't be silly. We scoring had as little as much to do with Carrick on the pitch. He and Rojo were having a contest for the worst player on the pitch and LVG actually got his subs right by taking both of them off. We created far more chances in limited time with Herrera on the pitch and we could have finished them off if we weren't so negligent. Did you even watch the match?

raumdeuter:
The brick layer player Lukuluku no play

Abi jam body football no work today

Blind a technical player had him in his pockets almost all game. Lukaku's father wants Bayern to get him though, but i really doubt that would happen since Lewandoski is set to sign a new contract.

Kagawa10:
Carrick was poor but Herrera sub made the team lost shape.

This false. We looked far better when herrera came on and our midfield which was virtually non existent with carrick started functioning, with the exception of the last few minutes when we invited pressure on ourselves as we always do.

I don't know how Martial got man of the match. Besides the goal, Blind played better overall.

bigkesh:
Despite all the yeye trolling, turns out our season is the same.....

Till next season....LMAO

We could still make champions league places, while you guys have nothing to play for. You guys won't even make Europa no matter how hard you try. Deal with that.

adeyemi2015:
When will Carrick retire or send off from the Team? His presence in the midfield isn't helping at all! We need a young Player like Barkley instead of recycling Carrick!

I don't really rate Barkley. Dele Alli wiould be a superb signing but doubt we can claw him away from Levy.

If LVG remains here next season, i think i'll stop watching our matches.
Carrick should not remain next year. He's fully past it.

elampiro:

So Suarez can miss an empty net.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apIxmnzLp_8&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=NG

Besides helping to send off Ramos, he had a match to forget.

AdeLaNa1:
Zidane doing it with 10 men in his first classico................wait for it.................Away from HOME!!

He's the first Madrid's Manager to win his 1st el classico in a very long time. He has just bought himself at least another year and fair play to him.

weedtaker:
RONALDO! GBR1 we de greet o

What are you on about?

Kagawa10:
Are you implying that you never made such statement?
You just dey disgrace yourself further!

You already have enough problems as it.
Face your wahala alone bro, stop trying to drag me into it.

MrLouisVanGaal:
Hahaha that moment you are caught stealing meat and you begin to stutter trying to explain. Nor be only Modric in 10 becoming defensive tactic..Modric come be defender shey. Some ppl just don't know how to cover their face in shame and admit they fuccked up. Meanwhile Ed tells me its till 2017 with Giggs to come in after

weedtaker:
oga you don F-up no need to de fool urself de more, Madrid starting lineup:
.Lopez
.essien
.albiol
.Ramos
.coentrao
.Alonso
.khedira
.modric
.Ronaldo
.benzema
.ozil
Michael essien was used as a makeshift right back, so oga where are the 5 defenders he used in the game?

darkenedrebel:
[s]Excuse me, who are you? do I know you?...did I quote you or why are you nosing in a conversation that's none of your concern?... and who are you obliterating?...
look at this asinine dingbat...
I think you are mentally-indigent or psychotic.... or maybe both...[/s]

This your sorry attempt to save face using ad hominem is useless. The nonsense you said is there for everyone to see.

I said highlight what I stated about speed, velocity and acceleration that was faux pax not capitulate what I already know...do that and stop having panic attacks...

I have done this already. Your failure at comprehension is the new highlight.

[s]This is why I labeled you a lünatic - as far as I am concerned[/s], everybody is entitled to his/her opinion and if I decide to give Alba the benefit of the doubt due to accumulated fatigue and based on the fact that I haven't really watched Bellerin play - then who are you to demur that, especially when you were never involved in the discussion?...I even told you the bone of contention was Alba and Mathieu not Alba and Bellerin and yet you still brought the latter to the fore...

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinions, and rightly so just as i reserve the right to point out your's as nonsense when it's on a public forum. Watching Bellerin play or accumulated fatigue are negligible variables in establishing who is faster and how do you even make comparisons regards a player you are now admitting you have limited knowledge of? how do you form such terrible opinions when you have such information about one of the subjects involved?
I quoted your post and never mentioned Matthieu but i replied regards Bellerin so i don't know what you are on about exactly by ''bone of contention''.

[s]The creator must gone color blind 2 minutes shy of your conception - no wonder he bestowed you with a pink-matter thinking he was giving you a grey one...



You are a mingebag and a reprobated degenerate[/s]...I guess I also don't need to watch the presidential debates or meticulously go through the profiles of each of the candidates before knowing who to cast my vote for...I wonder if some of you read your posts before pushing the send button...

I have just quoted another useless opinion of your's in bold. Watching ordinary youtube clips of Alba or Bellerin would not help you in determining their actual speed. You can't obtain the speed of a vehicle by just looking at it. That's why we have devices like speedometer that measure instantaneous speed or such results could be obtain from a speed test. You can't even draw parallels correctly without making basic errors.

The speed tests you'd find on the internet quote bellerin's speed as 34.75km/h and the highest recorded speed for alba is 34.24 km/h. This is a simple fact obtained without even needing to watch either of them play, not like watching them on youtube running would even help.

I searched the internet and all I kept seeing was Alba had more speed than Mathieu(YouTube and Quora)...then I asked dmcdād to drop a link where he saw Mathieu outpace Alba and he hasn't - so what exactly are you hyper-ventilating for?...

Again, i made no mention of Matthieu in my post so stop trying to fit him in unnecessary. My gripe was with the comparison regards Bellerin and Alba.

Like I said, pinpoint an error in my post on speed, acceleration and velocity - cos all you are displaying here are signs of jealousy and insecurity like a mari complaisant...

I have done this already, but obviously you have failed at comprehension.

I wasn't trying to tutor and I didn't do physics in school

This part of your post is really hilarious. You are only reinforcing what i've said earlier. Your knowledge of physics is elementary at best. While this is not a bad thing, it becomes a problem when you express that elementary knowledge when it's useless or where it's inapplicable.

- I just have a very good memory that once I read something, no matter the discipline or subject, I understand quickly and never forget for life...it's called HSAM(highly superior autobiographical memory)...[s]something a neurotic doofus like you wouldn't understand[/s]...

Bragging about your abilities like "HSAM'' online would get you nowhere especially you are not living up to it. That why you resort to insults when you really don't have much to say, so i really doubt you are what you claim to be.

To your understanding, if you didn't do physics in school then you shouldn't be privy to basic terminologies in physics - ;[s]D not everybody is as rëtarded as you are and if you have nothing pertinent to utter then stop perturbing my mention notification.... I already have enough mörons to deal with in the real world.[/s]...

This statement itself is a contradiction to some things you stated earlier, and that's why you don't deserve a reply on this. I'll let you figure this one out yourself.

I have carefully struck out your ad hominem as i have no need to reply them. I'm very capable of exposing your limited abilities without having to resort to insults like you do. Besides, I won't reply you further on this discussion as you have evidently run out of points to add, so i would let this pass but should i find you spewing nonsense again or giving a terrible opinion regards a new discussion, i would not hesitate to call you out on it again like i have just done.

Kagawa10:
[s]You are the real master at lieing though!
Imagine implying that the midfield of Bastian and Morgan were assumption![/s]

what is this supposed to mean?

chrisley024:
But why would a mature man be lying unnecessarily just to score cheap points.

Atletico vs Madrid Copa dey rel final was a game I watched and someone is here claiming Madrid parked the bus.

you shouldn't be suprised when greater lies have been told on this thread.

darkenedrebel:
You are a tool!...tell me one wrong thing I said about speed, velocity and acceleration up there...
...if you scanned through the previous pages then you'd know that the cynosure of the furore were Alba and Mathieu...not Alba and Bellerin...
I don't have the luxury of time like most to watch football matches save for the very important ones so I've not really seen Bellerin play and only gave Alba the benefit of the doubt using accumulated fatigue as baseline for doing so(that of course would seem beyond the pale to bigots)...this is what I said "I don't buy into the Bellerin story...." - meaning I'm not convinced that's he's faster than Alba now but over time there's the tendency that I see the truth in that assertion...
That wasn't hard to comprehend was it? Now move on....

I knew you just wouldn't shut up until you get completely obliterated.

Büllshit...not according to Marca newspaper or me...



•Speed = scalar quantity/magnitude component of velocity (without direction)

•Velocity = has magnitude and direction

•Acceleration = vector quantity

To accelerate an object = Velocity has to be altered...
-If sign of velocity (+ or -) is the same as the acceleration = object speeds up
-If the signs are opposite = the object decelerates...

Altering the speed of a body alone would make that body experience acceleration. Changing the velocity ( though would work too) is a stretch too far as a condition for acceleration. You didn't know this, did you?
Regardless, I addressed the comparison between Bellerin (or "Bellanin" according to you) and Alba where you said nonsense. You don't need to watch Bellerin play to know he's faster than Alba. It's all on the internet and you should get your facts right before trying to act as a tutor for physics on the internet when your knowledge of the subject is elementary at best.

darkenedrebel:
Büllshit...not according to Marca newspaper or me...



•Speed = scalar quantity/magnitude component of velocity (without direction)

•Velocity = has magnitude and direction

•Acceleration = vector quantity

To accelerate an object = Velocity has to be altered...
-If sign of velocity (+ or -) is the same as the acceleration = object speeds up
-If the signs are opposite = the object decelerates...

...do you really need to offer physics in school to know that? *yimu*

...Alba has better speed and acceleration both on and off the ball... he's currently the fastest player in our squad and 3rd in La Liga(outfoxed only by Ronaldo and Bale) ...Even PES 2016(even though it's just a video game) placed Mathieu's speed at 75 compared to Alba's whooping 92...
...and I don't buy into all those Bellanin hullabaloo - Alba was outpaced only because accumulated fatigue had taken a toll on him...Ceteris paribus, Bellanin is incapable of holding a candle to Alba...

See the nonsense you wrote and you're claiming to know physics.
Bellerin's acceleration is better and his recorded top speed is higher than Alba's. Make of that what you will.

PietroRico:
Those guys weren't so far away from the truth, were they?


Meanwhile

It seems you follow the news quite well.

raumdeuter:
This is why I told you that you are a football illiterate who wouldnt listen
How long does it take clubs to make appointment? Do you think this is civil service?

How long did it take to appoint Hiddink when Mourinho was fired? How long did it take Chelsea to appoint Hiddink when Scolari was fired?

Dayo stop being silly. It was as much as an open secret that Pep wasn't going to renew and Bayern were hiring Ancelloti. I knew at least a week before the official announcement by Bayern that negiotiations were ongoing because reputable news sources were already reporting a deal by December 16 and that was even before Jose got sacked. Look at the dates on this news site and remember Mourinho was sacked December 17.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/carlo-ancelotti-to-replace-pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-lose-patience-with-guardiola-and-make-offer-a6775381.html
Pep to city was also a done deal a long time ago before it was announced. The illiterate between us is obvious now

Pep Notified Bayern he would not be extending mid december around the same time Mourinho was fired and in a matter of days they contacted Carlo and sealed a deal all these happened within days



Below is a link with a quote from Perez saying they dont want Mourinho. where you got your own fake news from only God knows

http://www.espnfc.us/real-madrid/story/2761453/jose-mourinho-not-coming-to-real-madrid-florentino-perez

I'm not suprised you are taking the word of a lunatic like Perez as the truth when you should know better; you just won argue sha even when you can't win.
Regardless, let's even assume Perez was saying the truth then but earlier when i said meant Madrid contacted a Jose, i meant the period after Benitez had been fired and it's true. Now here is the source to the Jose to united story by ESPN, which they got from El Pais
http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-united/story/2833638/jose-mourinho-signs-man-united-contract-agreement-report
and the El pais reports the full story of Madrid contacting Jose http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/03/20/inenglish/1458483716_955779.html

or the guardian which summarizes both together http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract.

I could give you links to earlier links to madrid if you ask nicely.

By now, you should know when you are gonna win an argument, and it's not now.

raumdeuter:
This is why I told you that you are a football illiterate who wouldnt listen
How long does it take clubs to make appointment? Do you think this is civil service?

How long did it take to appoint Hiddink when Mourinho was fired? How long did it take Chelsea to appoint Hiddink when Scolari was fired?

Dayo stop being silly. It was as much as an open secret that Pep wasn't going to renew and Bayern were hiring Ancelloti.


**multiple and wrong post

http://www.espnfc.us/real-madrid/story/2761453/jose-mourinho-not-coming-to-real-madrid-florentino-perez

sinizia:
No mind Kagawa. His bad time at Utd is making him forget the truths. Gaal has always said he need a good pacy winger to compensate for Maria's sale. Pedro was the guy and after we lost him and he saw Mata was actually shít on the wings for Utd, he had NO choice than to bring in Lingaard.
And regards your other post, I agree with you. I remember how Mourinho spoke nicely about Utd after that loss and most Utd fans wanted him only for Fergie to goof and give us Calamity Moyes.

I don't know what Van Gaal has done to hypnotize our very own people into saying things like these. Some are even letting sentiments or hatred cloud their judgement on some things so simple. Some even refer to me as a glory hunter because i want Jose or something like that.
My loyalty is to no one but United, not even Fergie or Sir Bobby and i would always be in support of the best decisions in united interest irrespective of the folks against it, and now we need Mourinho as much as he needs us. It's the right decision at this point in time.

We have never had these kinda lows periods in a long time, and i believe he's the right guy to take us back to the top where we belong. When people are attracted to top clubs because of success or style, i think it's wrong to be referred to as 'glory hunting' because people must have reasons for such attraction and they shouldn't be defined by it, but stopping to support a club because of recent failures or less success is a very good definition to that term and i haven't stopped supporting united.