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raumdeuter:
Another false statement

The coefficient for this season 2015/16 would NOT affect slots for next season 2016/17 they would only affect from 2017/18

Thus 2016/17 would only start taking effect from 2018/19

It does not affect the slot, it affects the rank at that moment. That's what you should have though of when you projected England would start by 4th in 2018 without thinking properly. You should understand the difference.


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raumdeuter:
No its not factually correct

Lazio doesnt have to make 3.6 difference because of the 3.6 difference 3.9 would automatically drop off by start of next season which still leaves EPL with a deficit vs Italy

As it stands today If next season starts tomorrow. EPL would start the UEFA ranking at 4th by 2018 season

EPL teams would for the rest of this season have to pick up 0.3 points more than Italy to be level or 0.4 points more to be ahead

The season does not start tomorrow, does it? and i have already projected the PL to gain more this season either way so we're definitely going to be starting ahead of Italy next season.
Now and again listen to yourself, have you forgotten the coefficients of 2016/17 season would be needed to compute the rank of the leagues for 2018? so how can you determine the PL would be 4th by 2018 when you have no idea how PL teams would perform by then(in 2016/2017)?
so what is this statement in bold supposed to mean? I'm very curious to see how you would spin this.

raumdeuter:
Lets now see who doesnt know how things work between me and you. Take your pen and start taking notes

The coefficient is a 5 yr average. By the start of next season the the 2011/2012 season coefficient would drop off

In 2011/12 EPL has about 3.8 coefficient advantage over Italy which would drop off. The EPL has an edge over Italy in all yrs apart from last season 14/15 and they would have to carry that burden for the next 4yrs

2011/12
England 15.25
Italy 11.357

12/13
England 16.4
Italy 14.4

13/14
England 16.7
Italy 14.1

14/15
England 13.5
Italy 19.0

15/16
England 11.8
Italy 11.3

Everything i said is factually correct. The onus is on time to prove my analysis wrong

As at today. Assuming all EPL and Italian teams dont get any more point till season ends. Italy would surely overtake the epl (This is impossible with the draw now since either Liverpool or Man utd would win and advance)

But this isn't the case, is it?

Assuming Juve and Roma both go out now and without getting any point in return legs, Lazio alone will have to make up those 3.6 coefficient points. Italy started with 6 teams so Lazio need to get 22 points including bonuses. If they win every match from now on in Europa, including final, the max they get is 17. We are also assuming here that English teams get no point from here on which is not likely.

lordfalcao:
Roma exit is certain... lazio can't win UEl, juventus dy stand with one leg... after the 3rd round Italy will know there fate

True, and currently the EPL teams are underachieving but Italy is no competitor.

raumdeuter:
Go and lodge your complaints to UEFA

In this current season

Spain 15.9 points
Germany 13.4
England 11.8
Itally 11.3

You better hope all Italian clubs get eliminated from the CL so you dont lose your spots next season

Sometimes you should slow down on this. The difference between England and Italy as of now is 3.6 coefficient points. Assuming Juve and Roma both go out now and without getting any point in return legs, Lazio alone will have to make up those 3.6 coefficient points. Italy started with 6 teams so Lazio need to get 22 points including bonuses. If they win every match from now on in Europa, including final, the max they get is 17. We are also assuming here that English teams get no point from here on which is not likely. So 4 spots for 2017-18 are secured for PL. PL teams though should really use this opportunity to capitalize so as to negate last season when Italy gained 5.5 coefficient points on England. Otherwise England may start slightly behind Italy next season which will determine 2018-19 spots.

SIRcumalot:
memphis was immense last nite he has to start on sunday.
i hope he can do the same thing to epl level defenders.

Though it was against a poor team, that's the best individual performance I have seen in recent times by a United player and one could say we might not have won without him.

AdeLaNa1:
Abeg o. They should not gve us any spanish team until we get to semis. that's if we make it that far.

This season has been a disaster, my advice is take each game as it comes and enjoy the good games without to much over thinking of the next games. I have predicted Arsenal to wack us, do I care, not a bit because i'm buzzing about seeing a brilliant performance in an injury ravaged team. LVG will be gone in the summer and all the positives of this season may build the foundation of next so lets just enjoy a good game for what it was.

SIRcumalot:
I said we go curbstomp this guys last week, all them mofos dey act like say that loss na the end of the world.
fine goal from Memphis make this form reach Sunday

Midgets will have nightmares about Memphis
Your prediction was spot on, so how arsenal go be na?

codedguy1:
Most of us agree LvG must go but the players are just not helping matters at all. I know we have quite a number of rookies in there but the main team have been doing exactly the same thing.

Mata could not despatch a pen in a crucial game like this, imagine how he played that pen SMH. I guess he was Hot!!

They will start struggling to level scores on aggregate towards the end of the match, push forward looking for that goal and then concede stupidly.

Chai!

Mata barely ever scores when it matters. Good for a third goal when you're 2-0 up but he's not a big game player for me.
Memphis has been excellent.
Varela, Riley, Morgan and Rashford have been good.
Romero and Herrera have been grand.
Carrick, Blind, Mata and Lingard have been bad.

chrisley024:
Carrick disgracing himself there

His best years are far behind him. We must move on from him this summer.

chrisley024:
what sort of warm they do sef

only LVG knows.
Arsenal is gonna roast us.

olabode89:
Hamstring injury during warm up.............. debut for Rashford

De Gea

Valencia - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw

Schweinsteiger - Fellaini
Lingard ------------------- Young
Januzaj ---------
Rooney
​
Bench: Borthwick-Jackson, Jones, Darmian , Keane

LvGs small squad mentality is going to leave us below 7th by season's end.

I heard Martial is out too. we are truly fecked

I'm trying to be positive about this match and thinking that even if the worst happens and that we go out, that it must mean the end for Van Gaal.

https://www.facebook.com/Troll.Football/videos/1715303848509824/

sinizia:
Waiting to get ràpped by Messi. See as em spread lap like an Edo Ashana. Gayners, cheerful GIVERS.

MrTA:
What arrogance? That's a very professional performance by them and they werent at their best tonight.

raumdeuter:
Bros how far.

nonsoroyalty:
i wish all horses were unicorns who cares if barca pissed u?

I expected far, i mean a lot much better performance from Barcelona than what they actually served.

I think I want Arsenal to win now. Barcelona have played with an arrogance that has pissed me off tonight.

Do Barca players fake injuries every time they go in for a tackle or get tackled?

Absolute pu.ssies, can't stand that.

codedguy1:
So we are winning!

LvG for president.

Job done but i have a horrible feeling this is only prolonging the inevitable.

dubylhover:
if giggs truly loves manu,he wudnt even accept to b our coach now..but I've started bracing myself for d worst,cos I've noticed that d board might not appoint mourinho,all those old fashioned members of d board are against him...mou shud have been in charge now if he was at all considered....our board might decide to stick with lvg cos of monetary gains...they have no love for d fans at all...

I heard Giggs doesn't want the interim job again, he wants it full time and only now. I think if he was going to get the job, LVG would be out already.

elampiro:
I think he has won 3/3

Valencia 2 Espanyol 1
Valencia 6 Rapid Wien 0
Granada 1 Valencia 2

I want to believe Neville is getting used to his players and he is now able to harness their individual abilities to produce results. Also, he has not lost in four matches.

I think the appointment of his new assistant has more to do with his recent success than what you stipulated.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35597624
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rafa-benitez-backs-gary-nevilles-7409453

tess1:
Felipe Anderson to join Man Utd for €60mill?



How true is this?

I really hope it's not true. He's not worth anywhere close to that amount.
https://mobile.twitter.com/footballitalia/status/701731170808176642?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

elampiro:
I want news that will lift me up. Giggs is not that news.

Wow. I'm really surprised you aren't firmly in the Giggs Camp

RuuDie:
@ GBR1

What exactly makes Jose Mourinho an "outsider" as you put it!?

He's a proven manager elsewhere and has no initial links to the club. He isn't an ex-player or staff or something like that.

MrTA:
Interesting read, Not sure how true it is though so take with a large pinch of salt.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/red-issue-provide-fascinating-insight-into-the-power-struggles-at-man-united-tweets/

Not everything there is exactly true, and the source is grossly unreliable.

nyabinghi:
so you guys said when lvg was brought, you all praised him to high heavens, dissed our players who had united's winning dna in them. Mourinho will flee with his tails between his legs, you guys will then clamour for ancelotti, united is fast turning to chelsea of old, giggs is the answer. He has observed on the bench enough to manage united. Weeks back you guys were dissing gary now his team is on a winning run. A manager is as good as his last victory.

LVG was the best choice available at the time and it was a good choice as we achieved our objective with him in his first season. LVG has not had much success in his career recently, and it's no surprise he's failing now. Moyes with players with united dna in them took us backwards and he failed miserably and he's still proven as a manager whose career record is maybe 4 games. He was mediocre, and he was even Fergie's choice, so don't even get me started on that.
Mourinho's got an average of one Champions League for every two games Giggs has managed, and has somewhere around double the number of league titles as Giggs has games managed.
Gary is still a failure, do you even know his win rate? a few good runs against mediocre sides doesn't change that. Almost all of ex SAF players have been very terrible coaches, and a few average at best. Giggs is not gonna be an exception, and especially with our current state like no CL football next season, what players are we gonna attract with Giggs as manager? are you even thinking at all?

Giggs should go somewhere else and prove himself, and if he's that good, we'll gladly welcome him back. The Manchester United Manager's Job is a Top Career job, not a job you learn on, and this is even the worst period possible for learning. You should also note all our great Managers have been outsiders Sir Alex, Matt Bubsy. You have no point really

adeyemi2015:
nyabinghi needs to read this?!

This nonsense about Giggs becoming our manager at this point in time has to end. . Infact, every thought of it must be hunted down and destroyed. What do they think they are playing at?

Bryan Robson , mark Hughes, Steve Bruce, Gary Neville, all have better credentials than Giggs but you wouldn't want them as the next Manchester United Manager. Giggs has achieved nothing as a manager. Even Gary Neville had the bottle to leave England and manage abroad when he couldn't even speak the language. Giggs daren't even go to Swansea as a No.1 because like most former players he would soon be found out and would never get to united in the future in a managerial capacity.most No.2 managers should leave a club when the No.1 is sacked...after all they are a team, it's no good LVG getting the sack then Giggs saying he didn't agree with LVGs methods....as a No.2 you should be loyal and support your Manager. For all we know Giggs may have shafted LVG for his own means in the future....is he devious like that.....ask his wife .

Keky:
Hope united can see and learn from this Gary neville turn-around and stick with their manager.

It's not a turn around, It's just 2 consecutive wins against minnows. and this, coming from an Arsenal fan . We don't want what you guys enjoy by sticking with Wenger.
The thing is if Giggs is given the role and doesn't do well he will probably be given even more time than van Gaal, and it's disgusting to figure out where we might be by then.

nyabinghi:
mr adeyemi, I have been a fan since 1992 but mr. Mourinho is against the principles man u stand for. I am a united faithful till death but will be on sabbatical if loud mouth jose is employed. Soccer has gone beyond being a world class manager. We need giggs as our gaffer or ole gunnar solksjaer.

What principles are you talking about?

elampiro:
Please leave Rooney out of this today, he didn't play. If he played and scored a hatrick, they would say it was against a small team.

It's clear these guys are the ones dragging Rooney back, out attack had no meaningful movement today, and the midfielder didn't have anyone to even pass to.

I saw a stat yesterday, United without Rooney is pathetic. Please just leave Rooney from this.
cc GBR1

Percentage win with Rooney = 54%
Without Rooney = 39%

Goals with Rooney = 1.7
Without Rooney = 1.4

Our problems are beyond Rooney but he constitutes part of it. He should walk next summer.
All coaching and management staff should resign.
The cheap ass owners are waiting until it's mathematically certain we go don't get 4th - that way they can sack him and Giggs and their entourage without paying compensation. They did it with Moyes. They'll do the same with LVG.