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I don't think Mensaah should have even started this match. This is LVG's arrogance at play and he wants to get credit if it works out again.

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I hope Carrick has a good game. BTW, kick off delayed by 15 minutes. Our team bus got stuck in traffic.

Ibime:
Leverkusen is your home league. How many Marseille games do you watch a season? I doubt you watch Sevilla games except vs Barca/Madrid and Euro finals.

The fact remains that with the right tools one can get up to speed on certain players without watching their full 90 mins week in, week out.

The niggas who cried for Fellaini actually watched him week in, week out. They just didn't understand the requirements of central midfield play. Schweini is just unfortunate with injuries but is still Utds best midfielder when on the pitch.

I lauded Julian Weigl and Kante here back in September. Kante after seeing him come off the bench for Leicester, I went and researched him. Weigl after I watched Bundesliga highlight and found out he made 100% pass completion in a certain game, I just had to go and research all his touches in certain matches on youtube.

I think Dayo has a point. Witsel plays in Zenit who have been really good recently but the Russian league is pretty poor. I can't bring myself to watch their matches. I have watched few Zenit matches with Witsel playing live and i don't really rate him. I think his contract is about to run out and he has stated he wants to play in a better league, (some fans here asked for his head) so you guys can get him cheaply but it's still a big risk because we don't know how much of a step up it's gonna be for him when he comes to the EPL.
I know Chelsea folks are desperate for good midfielders but you guys have made too many poor signings recently, and Witsel just seems like another one.

homesteady:
O dear! The period we never wished to come has finally come! Fatigue! It is written all over them!

Barcelona have gotten just 1 point out of a possible 9 in their last 3 games in the league. Things don't look really good.

AdeLaNa1:
bykebyke and his goons tryna figure out Barca's trebble hopes for the remainder of the season....

Arsène Wenger: "We've shown resilience and spirit to come back to 3-3."

SIRcumalot:
Stones,as advertised before this calamity of a season started,is a ball playing CB which is the function blind is performing and why Danny has been playing well off late (better than smalling recently ) am not comfortable with him as a CB.
dont write off Stones we could even say the transfer saga messed with his head,for the right price na correct deal. .@GBR1

Yeah if Everton fit collect 20

Anything more than that is robbery.

So now that I've indicted Barcelona and Real Madrid, both big Spanish clubs, i'm expecting to get labelled an hater of Spanish clubs...

SIRcumalot:
my reason for Newcastle escaping relegation is more for the improvement of the league in general. if. by some miracle they still escape we'll have so many proven coaches in the league next season.

Benitez has a relegation clause inserted in his contract and it's possible he gets a job with some other EPL team next season.

sebod:
Nobody is crying everyday about it because it was not a match against Barca. Otherwise, that would have been your number 1 point of reference. It would have been that Uefa helped Barca win united as United would have won if not for the red card 'the usual song'

Guy calm down a bit. I'm surprised at how you've managed to turn this Madrid's controversy as something against Barcelona in such little time.

SIRcumalot:
he could still very well partner smalling for our defence,
that is why am just hoping this season form na just temporary. Chelsea must've seen something to offer that kind of money initially and his mediocre performance this season, we make us get him for a more reasonable price.

I would have Blind over Stones. Blind would still remain more beneficial to Smalling than Stones who is very poor even at the basics of defending except doing unnecessary stuff and i rate Blind's technicality far higher. I think Blind has been more consistent than Smalling though i think the latter is a better defender but in reality Smalling errors have cost us more than Blind's this season.

Besides we should be looking to upgrade, not just spend cash for the sake of it and Stones is not an upgrdade or even a future upgrdade on any of our current options.

Alezy:
It's only normal for a team that tops it's group to meet weaker opponents unless on rare occasions, a strong team fumbles and got the 2nd spot in the group. that team will surly meet a strong team too.
that's what happened in the PSG vs Chelsea tie.

Other teams have topped their groups consistently similar to Madrid but the quality of the opposition they've faced is not comparable to what Madrid has been getting.
Actually, if you read my post carefully, you'd noticed i have cancelled out topping of group. I already planned for this reply and i wouldn't have replied you if i wasn't such in a good mood. Now what would you say regards the matches in the quarter finals which is independent of teams that top their group?

kokaneprodigy:
Will u keep quiet!!!! What happened to no Arsenal too.
We were never really active during the transfer windows, that should tell u we were never interested in the trophy from scratch, unlike the other teams u are claiming were not interested in the trophy.
Kroenke has even come out to tell y'all this! Yet u keep crawling out of ur cave to yarn this rubbish.

If you were just a little bit wiser, you'd have noticed those 3 clubs won the last 3 EPL titles and have been sharing it among themselves in recent years. Arsenal is just a useless club because they have not come close to winning the league since they won it last 12 years ago and they really need to win it more than any of those clubs you listed and now when those clubs have failed to win it, you guys are still interested in making 3rd place.

homesteady:
Isn't it ironic how UEFAlona keep on getting the toughest draws in the knockout stages?

This year - Arsenal, Atletico Madrid
Last year - Man City, PSG, Bayern
Last 2 years - Man City, Atletico Madrid (knocked us out)

I can go on and on!
Why take the hard route of using refs, when they can easily manipulate the draws to give them easier draws?

GBR1

Frankly i haven't even noticed this. Spanish teams though

My attention has been on the draws Madrid gets which i find very strange. I know they top their group most times but considering the opposition they've faced in the round of 16 or quarter finals, some things don't seem right.
Lyon
Spurs
Moscow
APOEL
United
Galatasaray
Schalke
a weakened Dortmund team
Schalke
Atletico
Roma
Wolfsburg.
And more strangely, the only time they faced serious opposition like United and Atletico, the opposition received red cards and the red card we received against Madrid in 2013 was really controversial too but you won't see United fans crying everyday about it.

homesteady:
I guess you were blind when someone reminded you of what happened when we were kicked out from UEFA CL by inter Milan!

1 - We were denied a clear PK by the Portuguese referee, who was helping his fellow Portuguese!
2) Bojan Goal in the 2nd leg was wrongfully ruled out!

I hope you reply me!

That match was shady but not by the limits of the events in 2009. Inter Milan were obviously the better side in the 1st leg and they won or would have won fairly decisions regardless. You can only state the incident when Alves was denied a PK and nothing more than that and this singular event is too limited to define that match as very controversial regards the refering decision. In fact i remembered some Barcelona's Management folks claimed that Barcelona lost due to fatigue because they traveled by bus to Milan instead of air (volcanic ash issues then). They hardly thought of the first leg as unfair then but they didn't know they would be unable to upturn the results at home. I remember these events very carefully so don't think you can just bring up some random matches to use against me.
Now the in the 2nd leg, i remember very clearly Busquet shameful antics which got Motta sent off controversially as early as the 28th minute and there were other decisions against inter. Would a ref against Barcelona give an Inter player a red card as early as the 28th minute if they wanted Barcelona to lose? Use your brain please. But the onus was on Barcelona to overturn the deficit from the 1st leg which they failed to do and so every wrong call was deemed controversial against them. Barcelona could only score a goal in the 84th minute against 10 men Inter, and even that goal which was scored by Pique was considered offside but i'm sure you didn't know that either. so how can you even mention the events at Milan? Inter really deserved to go through and they were the better team over two legs against Barcelona. Besides they didn't have the kind of history Barcelona pre 2009 regards UEFA.

There are a lot of wrong decisions against Barcelona in the past but you guys couldn't even pick the right one to debate with. Do your research very well before posting because when i say things, i make sure i know exactly what i'm talking about unlike some of you who just think i'm hating.

ollah1:
He won't reply you. It's been written at least 3 times but he ignored every time. Just watch

I can't reply every post, especially the ones i deemed irrelevent/poor or with insults embedded.

SIRcumalot:
you know, Jose really pushed hard to get the guy.
nobody dey infallible.
maybe na just mental block he fit still overcome am.

Yes maybe but he's not worth any of the figures being quoted even coupled with him being English. But one can't really say exactly these days given that city and PSG paid 42 and 50 for calamities like Mangala and Luiz respectively. United need a defender but we must be really careful in the market.

Besides no party on this thread?

SIRcumalot:
we really need to bring back writing names on the back of our national Team uniform.

I really hope Newcastle won't go down.

I don't want Newcastle to go too but i can't believe we dropped 4 points against them. Newcastle would get relegated regardless. They appointed Benitez too late to salvage anything
It's really Sunderland i have a grudge against but they also got 3 points from us. I believe the current bottom 3 would get relegated.

raumdeuter:
Lol every single time you didnt go back to edit your past like you normally do after you have been schooled as a half baked analyst

I knew it would come to this once you have run out of steam. People who have had time to see our previous arguments on various threads know how much quality education you get from me but you can come here to tell lies since you are on a Barcelona's thread debating an issue in favor of Barcelona. Besides, I'm done with you too regards this discussion since you've got nothing left to add.

In other news, Aston Villa could get relegated today.

*it's not gonna happen today then. Norwich is losing

Ibime:
We offered 35. They wanted 50 but we no gree.

You are right. The highest amount from good sources say the 35 was even rejected. Maybe you guys were eventually planning offers for 50 but it never went through but regardless Everton were very stupid to reject that amount for someone who can't really defend. Chelsea dodged a bullet there.

raumdeuter:
The only thing you have succeded in doing here is exposing yourself horribly either as a biased follower aka hater or just a pure ignorant fellow
Bayern has played Barca several times in recent years there have been controversial decisions which went both sides in 2009 2 of Barcelonas goals had hint of offside
When Bayern beat Barca 7-0 in 2013, 2 of Bayerns goals had hints of fouls (Muller body check on Alba) and the 2nd goal where Dante climbed and looked like Gomez was offside
When Barca beat Bayern last season Neymar dove which should have been a 2nd yellow = red which the ref didnt give, seconds later Barca scored the opening goal
As a Bayern fan we could have focused on those wrong calls vs Bayern while ignoring the ones that favoured us.

Now you're stating these events because it's obvious you didn't do so in the past. This action of your's correlates with my previous post. You didn't even understand the post completely so i would quote it again for you to read.

How many times have you stated the decisions against Barcelona? I bet you miss some of the decisions against them too. What i'm simply stating is that you can't do this job better than Barcelona fans themselves which you are not or Barcelona fans find this easier to do than you. If Bayern plays Barcelona, do you think your opinions on decisions in that match would align exactly with those of Barcelona folks?

But you arent known to be very objective and have towed th path of ignorance several times so I cant say I am surprised

This is a bit rich coming from you especially when i can't remember the last time you won an argument against me.

raumdeuter:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6371329.stm

I could list and use incidents like Porto in 2004, or versus Madrid in 2013 but i don't even see the use regards the discussion and i'm not interested in doing what Barcelona folks have been doing on this thread.

homesteady:
Lmaoooooooooooo
GBR1 do you know that a wrong call that went against us cost us a la liga title vs this same Athletico Madrid?

That was in the league competition or La Liga, and not in Europe or in UEFA CL as we have been debating but some your folks here would even have none of it as Barcelona should really never have been in such a situation.

Everton must regret not selling Stones when Chelsea offered 50 million for him.

sebod:
Barcelona still played Bayern last season, and I can't remember any divided opinions between the fans of both clubs.

The match was far from being controversial and my point still stands especially when it's not a question directed at you or one you can simply answer. I'm done with this.

sebod:
The emboldened says it all. You were wrong sir. Dayo who is not a fan of Barca had already pointed out so many decisions that went against Barca, but you called him out for doing so, you would have wished he overlooks the injustices against Barca and focus his strength on the ones that favoured Barca to just aid what you guys have been spreading about, which still renders you a biased person.
You are a Man U supporter, the wrong refs decision that went in your favour is well documented, and you don't see a Barca fan going everywhere campaigning against your successes over the years. So, you don't expect us to see you as a neutral person if all you come here to highlight are the decisions that favoured Barca just to drive home your point.

Go through the posts on this page as you're bringing up stuff i have addressed already.
I won't spend anymore time on this debate because it seems with every new post i make regards the issue, it appears i'm spending my time as the hater you guys are trying so hard to see me as.

raumdeuter:
Then you cannot claim to be objective when you not being a fan only notice the ones in favour of Barcelona

If you had come out and told us off the bat that you are a biased viewer who only see one part that you want to see, No one would have bothered

I am not a Barcelona fan but I take the time to view the game objectively

How many times have you stated the decisions against Barcelona? I bet you miss some of the decisions against them too. What i'm simply stating is that you can't do this job better than Barcelona fans themselves which you are not or Barcelona fans find this easier to do than you. If Bayern plays Barcelona, do you think your opinions on decisions in that match would align exactly with those of Barcelona folks?

I have already faulted your flawed logic you attempted in using to defend Barcelona earlier and i would advise you to stop making things difficult for yourself.

Unlucky Westham, they got robbed but Arsenal still couldn't capitalize.

dmcdad:
Like I stated from my earlier post, from your very first posts yesterday, I noticed a good level of objectivity. And even though you over stressed some issues in order to kinda bring Barça to a bad light, I still gave it to you fof being honest for the most part.

And like I also stated, as you made more posts, you started bringing that hate part that is already a part of almost every non-Barça fan out there. Now read where I typed almost, which means not all, so you don't misquote me. It's really hard for you to find a non-Barça fan who speaks well of Barça today. It's as hard as a camel going through the eye of a niddle.

As much as I troll or hate on my rivals, I don't fail ever to highlight where they are right. For haters like maybe yourself, cause I still can't say you ain't one with all the favours you have counted for Barça without acknowledging anyone against. For you guys, the only thing you saw in the clasico was the disallowed goal by Bale. By every standard that was a genuine goal. But you guys never talked about the clear foul Ramos committed against Messi in the first half. It was either just at the edge of the box, or inside the box, but the ish there was that it would have meant another yellow for Ramos, which would have meant an early red. Now imagine Ramos getting a red in the first half and imagine the possible outcome. That is not to even mention the potential penalty for us. So, you guys only see what favours Barça and not the other way round.

Pep said something when he was still with us. After a game against Sevilla where the ref made some errors that cost us the game, Pep said; sometimes decisions go your way and other times it goes against you. That you should play so well that decisions against you doesn't affect the score. I will never forget that. And that is what has happened to be like our watchword. Did Barça whine over Messi's winning goal against Atletico which the ref wrongly blew for offside and thereby made us lose the Liga trophy on the last day of the league at home in 2014? Of course we didn't and I bet you never knew about this until today. But imagine it was in favour of Barça. We for no hear word till this world end.

Well, the bone of contention for me is that, if you must highlight some controversial happenings in favour of Barça, then you should be able and ready to do same in cases where it goes against Barça, else I will term you to be one of em haterz.

The major thing i can make out from this post of your's which i would like to address is that it's easier to be see those things in favor of Barcelona when you are a fan. You guys shouldn't always expect such discretion from opposition fans and an individual failing to state the shortcomings of some decisions against Barcelona doesn't necessary make him/her an hater.

sebod:
If you could have as well defended Barca as regards the event, that qualifies you to be a lawyer who is paid to only defend his client, discuss what favours his client and close eyes to those that don't. Which in this case, nullifies the objectivity issue.

My only client is United, and in this case United wasn't involved so i'm most likely gonna be unbiased, not stating that i couldn't be wrong though.

sebod:
@GBR1
I have been following your post and must commend your effort. Having read so many things said about our successes over the years and how it's tainted by that '09 incident against Chelsea which I want to believe you would still have a good memory of the game.
1.In the 1st leg of the match, Thiery Henry was completely pulled down on the ball by a Chelsea defender when faced with an empty net as Cech had dived the other way, the ref waved it off. Was Barca robbed or not?

You just gave a single incident against Barcelona and you'd agree with me that's not enough to define a match as a controversy especially when one considers the number of such events in the 2nd leg. I'm sure Chelsea got some decisions against them as well in the first leg but they didn't possess that much relevance in the scheme of things as eventually that match ended 0-0 and the tie wasn't decided yet. No one knew Barcelona was going to find it that difficult in the 2nd leg.

2. Abidal was sent off for a non existent foul, was Barca robbed or not?
3. Did any of the incidents where it's claimed Chelsea should have been awarded a PK happen before Abidal was sent off or after?
4. If Abidal was not wrongfully sent off, don't you think Barca would have scored more goals as they would have had more players to throw forward?
5. If Abidal was not wrongfully sent off, do you think any of those incidents would have occurred? Don't you think Barca would have had a solid defender at the back which would have helped in checking the unnecessary threats posed by Chelsea due to the loss of a solid defender?

Let's even say i agree with you regards Abidal's red card, event of which occured in the 66th minute. But Abidal actually should have been sent off much earlier for worse actions he had committed. Barcelona had 11 men till the 66th minute and they failed to score in this time which consisted of majority of the match's time, so what's the logic in Barcelona scoring in fewer time after this with 10 men in the 93rd minute?
Generally, you have used the event of Abidal's red card wrongly and i won't debate this further.

6. Why did you fail to add Terry's red card to the list of favours received by Barca? Was it because Chelsea later won the game? If yes, would you have thought otherwise had Chelsea won the '09 tie too?

Like I've stated earlier i don't take pleasure in discussing conspiracies especially these kind of controversies where logic can be manipulated critically or analysis difficult to interpret. My earlier posts hinged majorly on the event in 2009 and i have admitted already that i might have failed to list out injustices against Barcelona so this is also negligible.
This event in 2009 was already touted as a controversy far back then, and no one had predicted Barcelona would enjoy so much success from then on till now and so don't think it comes up just because of Barcelona success.

Your objectivity in answering the questions would give us an idea of where you really belong.

Take my advice; my replies here are not enough to draw any sort of conclusion on where i belong. I could as well defend Barcelona regards the event in 2009 and actually be the hater some of your folks think i am.

raumdeuter:
So what's objective in stating where referees helped Barcelona but not when referees punished Barcelona

I said i might have missed out on some instances and this is logical given that i didn't discuss or list all the incidences thoroughly.

The same club called uefalona just came back from over a year transfer ban. Uefa would ban their favorite team from competition

This is another erroneous point. In Italy, when Juventus scandal or the Calciopoli came up, some refs or FA officials were indicted by the Italian Police who were the folks who uncovered the whole thing. Juventus and the other clubs involved still got banned/relegated by the same Italian FA, in which they were in connivance with some of their folks earlier. Madrid is about to go on a transfer ban too and there are some controversies regards Madrid and UEFA but the transfer ban doesn't mean sh.it. Now you see why this logic is faulty and i don't need to go on regards this.

Dayo, you can do better than this but kudos really to defending Barcelona.

nonsoroyalty:
if it was a liverpool fan chanting uefalona maybe i wouldn't be bothered but for a united fan saying uefalona is hyprocrisy at its best, no wonder they haven't won a trophy since fergie the bribe accumulator and webb the bribe collector both retired.
Am sure if we had won the 2012 tie agains chelsea we would have been tagged uefalona but every one has left that since we lost. Yet they would come and say they are neutral on our issue, bunch of 2-faced smellos.

Read this and stop pontificating. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-better-howard-webb-4001338
So fergie also had to bribe the refs in Europe when we won the CL in 2008 or 1999? Or he also had to bribe the refs when we ended our 26 year wait and won the title in 1992 after liverpool had dominated for so long? Or you want me to compare the profile of refs like Howard Webb who has managed the finals of the highest competition in football with that of a nonetity like Ovrebo from Norway who decided the controversial match between Barcelona and Chelsea and himself admitted his shortcomings? Don't even get me started on this.

bigkesh:
We have Matic,Mikel and Fabregas with No UCL......


Like I care if the Undisputed CM of the NO 1 ranked National team in Football is hyped....

Witsel will still make the X1 of 100% of the teams in EPL.....Any DM better than him??

None of those midfielders are Argentines so your post doesn't make sense.

dmcdad:
I wanted to comment on one of your posts yesterday to enjoin you to continue being objective even though you still came up with some rather needless and controversial comments along the line. But as time goes on and as you post more, I discovered you are no different than the average hater out there that is being pained. Imagine what you just posted up there. I never imagined you were the one I wanted to commend. How vastly different the perspectives of your posts are.

I have not said anything that isn't true and i always try address either sides regards each discussion. It's impossible to speak all in favor of Barcelona as i'm not a fan but i'm also far from being an hater. Barcelona is not a direct rival of my club or a major adversary so it's not that difficult for me to be objective. Madrid folks dislike me too, so i'm not really surprised.

Anyway, Barça is everything your club is not plus more. Your club can only wish they are like Barça, so keep hating. You guys keep highlighting where it favoured Barça, but no one is objective and honest enough to at least include some of the incidents that went against Barça.
Keep hating bruv. It makes us stronger than we already are. It spurns us on.

Seriously you didn't need to say this. There's nothing bad in wishing United enjoys the kind of success Barcelona enjoys currently, and that's doesn't define me as a hater. I'm not a fan of Barcelona and it's only logical i miss out on stating some of the incidents against Barcelona. Barcelona may enjoy so much success currently relative to other clubs, and going by your logic the fans of those other clubs must surely all be haters since they only wish their respective clubs were doing as good as Barcelona. It's a very paranoid feeling that won't get you folks everywhere.

I support United, a very unique club, in fact the most unique out there and i don't see myself changing for any reason soon even with the issues the club is facing currently. Actually we have history together which i won't go into. Some folks got attracted to Barcelona's success and became fans of the club and while this is not a bad thing, but i won't be surprised to see those same folks stop supporting Barcelona when the going gets tough and that's actually my definition of glory hunting. So in general, you have no right to say these things or even refer to me as an hater. When i start hating Barcelona, you'd know and you won't even bother writing replies to my post.