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Love your neighbour as you love yourself

So will a human being suffering from Down's syndrome go to heaven or hell?

Ishilove: I've actually wondered about this whole rubber thread issue. Some women I work with told me they prefer using wool and rubber threads, than synthethic and rubber hair extensions. I told them that if hair attachments can be polluted, rubber and wool can also be polluted. If we are are to look at it microscopically, rubber, wool, twine and co are all arttificial so if there will be condemnation for wigs and attachments, there will also be condemnation for wool and rubber threads.

It's all rather confusing. I have decided to ask God for wisdom and divine revelation in all things that confound me. I on my own part have stopped fixing hair extensions. I am sticking to braids for the meantime. Whether I will stop that is something I don't know for now because the Holy Spirit Himself will have to convince me first

But the Holy Spirit has already convinced the Op

Arguing against God and omniscience is one thing,but saying human beings have no choice is being silly!!!!!!

macof: Was Moses a good leader?

Do I sound like a bible believer to you? So Moses is your justification for hitler? So because you want to attack christians you declare that Hitler was a good leader to his people? Most of the Jews Hitler killed have ancestors that had lived upto ten generations in Germany, how are does Jews not Germans?

The holocaust is one of the worst crime against humanity ever

jamace: Help me ask him o. He just wants to give Hitler a bad name in order to hang him.

People should read again the life and times of Adolf Hitler and give him due respect for his leadership of his people. You may say, he killed many Jews and so what? If you know what leadership, nationalism, patriotism and selfless service mean, then you will appreciate Hitler better.

Those criticising Hitler should stop being sentimental and myopic. Hitler was a great leader of his PEOPLE.

To say Hitler was a great leader is absolute stupidity!!

I wonder what kind of human being you are and someone liked your post? Pathetic

Jesus decides to allow 5000 people to die,just for a chance to preserve His statue!! Praise be to our all loving God

Well I doubt the veracity of your claims though

Goshen360: Too much of KJV isn't fair to study of the word. Did He commit any sin that He had to 'repent'? Check other translations Here

Still my point,if I feel sorry for my actions means I simply did not know my actions would yield unfavourable results;hence I wouldn't be sorry or regret those actions!

harbiola1: @ Op and all, lying in a place like this should be strictly prohibited. the doing of God is to punish the wrongdoers either directly by Himself or indirectly through His prophets of the times.

God has never been lenient towards wrongdoers nor cruel towards law abiding creations, however, there's always room for changes, and after several warnings the terror would be unleashed on the arrogant ones. God and His prophets were not demons as the Bible portrayed them, prophets were the most pious and God fearing among the people of their generations. they were not infallible though, because infallibility is exclusive to God, bt the infallible God said He was their Guardian. So if truely they were capable of those grave errors, what is the essence of the infallible Guardian?.

Quran speaks much about these prophets (as), and it neither conceal their mistakes nor exaggerate it, but they say it changed/copied the stories which is laughable anyway. It's a common sense, bring ur facts and i'll bring mine, then how come ur own is inconsistent and my own is flawless.

The truth is that many of those events in the Bible truely happened but what led to the incidents were lost, some people tried to harmonise the texts but they would never correct and that brings about "Redaction Errors" and what u would call "Copy & Paste Errors". While many others did not happen at all but found their ways into the bible texts as part of political polemic of the time to denigrate their opponents and relegate them to a lesser status. it's a pity that u guys won't question what is questionable, and just be buying lies at higher price. Of course, this's nt an assumption, i've my undisputable, sound facts in the Bible. bt i'm not here to derail the thread, on the Condition that u don't call God what He's nt.

Following...

So it is the war mongering Quaran than is the immutable word of God ba? Religious delusion! Allah the name that has been used to wreck havoc on most modern civilisations.

Only cave men should worship Allah

shdemidemi: What happened in Genesis 6:6
‘And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

God didn’t repent of the fact that He made man but, when God saw what man was doing, He had an act of sorrow. He was sorry to see what His created beings had now become. This does not in anyway mean God seized to be God neither did it distort the plan and the drama God had planned even before the world was formed. God was providentially putting all these stories together as a shadow of what is to come in the new through Christ.

The word 'repent' as used here means a change of mind.

The attitude of the human race at this point can't be a surprise to God, could it? He pushed man out of Eden Eastward-towards darkness, all man could constantly do was to move from darkness to a higher degree of darkness. God was Playing out the script as a shadow of what is to come, He picked just Noah and his family purely out of mercy and grace.

So are you saying that God is just being theatrical? Because I see no reason why God will create Adam and Eve and they sin like He knew they will,then He starts being sorrowful and dramatic!! He knew Adam and Eve will sin why is He grieving? Did he somehow wish Adam and Eve will surprise Him?

Ihedinobi: Non sequitur. How does 3 follow from 1 & 2? And you could pray to ask God for an outcome that He wants too.

The rationale is communication. Man is God's deputy. Prayer is how the he communicates the needs of his charge to his Superior and how he learns what his Superior wants for the trust He committed to Him. It is also God's means of answering or providing the needs of the creation He entrusted to man, His steward or deputy. In other words, prayer is how man accesses God's omniscience and omnipotence to benefit the world around him and himself too.

How is it a non sequitur, My God know all my heart desire all my needs all my wants,why do I need to talk to Him since he already knows?

You said God's means of answering or providing the needs of the creation, are you saying I need to pray before God knows my needs? Or God just loves the attention He gets when people are wailing and asking for His help?

shdemidemi: God would have to be a liar, unrighteous, unfaithful, dishonest to His word for us to say He has changed. But He remains faithful to His word from the beginning hitherto.

He gave His word in the book of Genesis, every other book plays out to what was written in this book. We knew the beginning from this book of Genesis, God also told us about the end (Genesis 3). What he did not tell us is how the stories and the programme will play out.

Okay can you address my other post so we can proceed.

Seed of Onan: It's my sole opinion that religion is to blame. That's why I posted it here. It is the reason why I'm a vocal atheist. Because organized religion I & many others believe is a tool of the rich to control & exploit the people & Nigeria is a Prime example of the detrimental impact of the Abrahamic Religions

well I am trying to tell you that your opinion is not true in my own opinion

shdemidemi: God does not change, He remains God but His programme changes according to His sovereign will. Thesame God that chose the nation of Israel in the old chose the church(primarily Gentiles/non Jews) in the new.

Also what would God have done to be changing? turn into stone? when you change you 'programme' my brother you have changed but you are still shdemidemi but that doesn't mean you haven't changed

shdemidemi: God does not change, He remains God but His programme changes according to His sovereign will. Thesame God that chose the nation of Israel in the old chose the church in the new.

When God says I am said the same yesterday, today and forever, His words are binding! Even God said He can only swear by His words!!

If God chose Israel and decides to choose the church aka gentiles in the New Testament then God has changed.

Even in the bible God changed all the time

Genesis 6 vs 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart

Why would an all knowing unchangeable God repent?

Logicboy03: Did yo read the op? Even the op clearly said that religion is not the only factor involved in Nigeria's demise

True but if that is the case the topic should not be in the religion section.

In my humble opinion,an omniscient God who knows the very end from the beginning and carved the earth, that was wicked in the old testament ,is still wicked and has not and cannot change.

If God sanctioned slavery and even had laws to regulate it,he can't change now. Not when he knew even before the modern men that slavery is HORRIBLE in any form. Personally I think the bible was adjusted to suit the baberic Arab people/Isrealis of the time! A loving God could not have inspired the old testament

You tell me about the new covenant,before He made Adam and Eve he knew they would sin and He will send His son to die,hence the new covenant. Why not forget creating Adam and Eve altogether? Why not kill Satan before creation for the greater good of humanity?

My opinion anyway

Can we agree that God is unchanging?

Numbers 23:19
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he
should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or
has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

Blaming Nigeria's problem on religion is pure dishonesty

Just to throw in another spice in the stew.

1.God is omniscient(all knowing)
2.Prayer(supplication type) is asking God for a particular outcome
3. If 1 and 2 holds true,then the very act of praying is null and avoid as will still do what he wishes!

What is the rational behind praying to an Omniscient and omnipotent God?

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Ishilove: Jesus!!! All these food for ekite?

Apples and carrots?!?

Even with daily diet of eba and rice, my darling departed Innocent, and his mother Beauty (also of blessed memory) were the biggest and healthiest animals in the neighbourhood.

How many families can afford the above sef??

Good food can elongate a dog's lifespan

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Thanks

highyo: this pastor olu sound as one of those pastor that preach eternal security. Once save you are forever saved. We are in time of grace, live a life that please your self. Defiles your body with anything you desire, make your body a temple of satan. We are in time of grace. Commit adultery, steal, we are in time of grace.
Go and ask Eli, Achan, Ananiah and Saphira his wife etc

I bless God for the gift of atheism I was almost as mad as you before I found everlasting peace and joy in humanity

No be only head of snake lmao

I hope you know that if you carve your head or beards you are hell bound according to the bible!

davide470: Bros,

Been looking for you.

Btw, got no idea about what you are asking.
Cheers!

Will do my brother

Ukuts gp: u are an atheist so nothing i would say that would make meaning 2 u. Even quoting the scripture 4 u is a fruitless thing cos ur mind is closed.

I was a christian, I grew up studying the bible everyday up until say 3months ago when it stopped making sense to me!

But in all my studying never did I see a place where a partcular church declared that ALL the members of another church will go to hell!

Even bible said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church! Unless you are God,you have no right to declare what church goes to hell or not!

Is it you tithe thieving pastors that you think deserve the 'imaginary' heaven?

See what Jesus said about them,
Matt 19 vs 24

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the
eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
kingdom of God."

Check out another cool thing Jesus said about hypocrites like you
Matt 7 vs 3-5
3. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s
eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How
can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of
your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and
then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your
brother’s eye.

adsonstone: which God are you thanking?
Yaweh? --that atheists believe doesnt exist??

You should that statement was just to have fun and add a smirk to it

Culled from the link Josh provided....


Historical/Archeological Facts. One very interesting
area of historical facts about Christianity is the area of
archeology in the Old Testament. Here are two
examples.
Example #1. Prior to 1853 there were some who did
not believe that the nation of Israel crossed the Red Sea
as mentioned in the Old Testament (Exodus 14:13-31).
They claimed the Israelites really walked across ankle
deep water. There are problems with this view. The first
is very obvious - how did the Egyptian army drown in
ankle deep water? The second problem is that the
absence of an archeological record does not mean the
event did not occur. It would be like saying 1,000 years
from now that I did not go to a particular resturant for
dinner because there is no record. What is worse, in
1853, Dr. P. A. Stanley discovered six ancient, Aramic
inscriptions on the cliffs of the Wadi Sidri in the
Penunsula of Sinai . The inscriptions recorded the
historical crossing of the Red Sea. Here is an excerpt
from the Aramic inscriptions (A. P. Stanley, Sinai and
Palestine, London: John Murray, 1905, p. 70),
The leader divided part the sea, its waves
roaring.
The people enter, and pass through the midst
of the waters.
The wind blowing, the sea dividing into parts,
they pass over.
The Hebrews flee through the sea, the sea is
turned into dry land.
Their enemies weep for the dead, the virgins
are wailing.
The sea flowing down overwhelmed them.
The waters were let loose to flow again.

Ukuts gp: it is obvious that what u have is a fish brain. Ur reasoning is highly deficient and u cant talk properly cos u are immature and unlearned little brat.

Ukuts gp, I don't know why italo,Ubenedictus are bothering with you. I know that the worst form of christian delusion is the pentecostal form.

Imagine opening a thread to declare that all catholics are going to hell! Question for you is hell real? If so how do you know? How do you even know that Yahweh is real?

I cringe when folks like you gloat is your sadistic mind about people going to hell! So all the catholic faithfuls that died long ago are all burning in hell?

Thank God for Atheism,my soul is free of such wickedness.

“The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

Ubenedictus: or the people who claim to be inspired are lying.

Uncle Ubenedictus.. You've been scarce! What's up wiv you?

chucky234: ah you came late bro,the GSD pups was sold by a Brig. General in Ojo barracks,I'll let you know if I stumble on another set of good pups at give away prices.

Thanks when you do buzz me on jiga_saw@yahoo.co.uk